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1 Zygote's life matters more than 9 months of woman's pain, but also, 9 months of women's pain matters more than 3 days of men's pain.

Vasectomies pretty much solve unplanned pregnancies and abortions.

Men should get vasectomized before they do vaginal sex on someone with the potential to get pregnant.  Any man that says, "I don't want to get a vasectomy because my body, my choice", you have no business then telling women they should be banned from abortions based on the goal of preventing fetal homicide (because you are unwilling to make a smaller sacrifice to prevent fetal homicide).
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He got kissed by a black woman.  

Don’t get me wrong, he’s said many racist things.  But he doesn’t actually believe what he is saying.

He is a grifter and a con man.
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A white man says, "I'm not racist; my girlfriend is black".  Blacks argue that you can still be racist with a black girlfriend.

A cisgender man says, "I'm not transphobic; my girlfriend is trans".  The trans community is actually convinced by that.

Hence, why transgenders are more grateful than blacks.
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Bestiality is degenerate and funny, but jailing doesn't make sense.  We kill animals for food and nobody complains about how animals can't consent to being slaughtered.  The harsh truth is killing animals for food is not needed for our survival because all nutrients can be obtained through plants.  It's a reality people don't like, but it's the truth.

Leave the issue up to the states.
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I see all sorts of messaging that says, "Mother knows best.  Listen to women.".

Imagine if I said, "Father knows best; obey the man.".

I'm getting cancelled.

Our society is trying to reverse gender roles to where they have the woman in charge instead of the man, and I would rather let every relationship do it's own thing.  But I'm a man; I want to be in charge of my own relationship.
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I'm neutral on this; I don't want the US funding Israel simply because I'm America first, but I'm neutral in terms of whom I'm rooting for.

Anyone that is claiming Anti Zionism is anti semetism but Ye West isn't anti sematic doesn't make sense to me on this.
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It turns out the republicans have a consistent ethos.
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Palestine kills LGB.
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I support it; Wylted does not.

This will be the starting thread for it.
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This is the fourm where SocraticGregarian96, myself, and others if they so choose can post about why they prefer one over the other.  I prefer Biden to Trump.
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I as someone that is 25% Italian and 25% Maltese (the other half I'm not sure), I feel super marginalized (Maltese people alone are a marginalized community in the US since they are so rare (I think the most Maltese community in the US is only 2% Maltese) and I think I need my own separate safe spaces for people exactly 25% Italian and 25% Maltese who aren't sure about their other half.

My great grandparents moved here to integrate and learn English and now Irrid nitkellem biss bil-Malti.  Il-kultura tiegħi qed tiffaċċja oppressjoni!

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I believe in something similar to race and IQ.

People from South Central tend to have higher IQs than people from Venice Beach.
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Deportations should not exist under any circumstances.

"But what if they murder/rape?"

Then you behead them, take their blood and organs, and use it to save the lives of American PATRIOTS!! However, the vast majority of the undocumented are harmless and should be treated as such.

High slope ideology is ideal regardless of what the feds want:


Note: I'm posted this comment several times and YouTube felt like taking it down. I don't like that, but there is nothing I can do to stop them.  Being pro death penalty is hate speech according to the YouTube algorithm.  Not that I'm against their right to censor me; because it's a product of the free market (which YouTube controls).  But they let white nationalists utter racist stuff but they won't let me say murderers should get beheaded.  It makes no sense.
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My rule is that whatever the jury says, I believe.

The jury found Kyle Rittenhouse innocent, I believe that.

The jury found Andrew Tate innocent, I believe that.

The jury found Donald Trump guilty, I believe that.

Nobody here was reviewing all of the facts and evidence about Trump's charges; the jury was.

I believed in innocent until proven guilty, but iff you are proven guilty by a jury of your peers, then you are guilty.

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KKK: Only a fool thinks the people that built Europe will benefit from people that built hutts.

Me: Only a fool thinks the people that built Manhattan, Westchester, Rockland, and Putnam Counties will benefit from people that built trailer parks; but here you are.  I'm not worried about low IQ trailer park trash replacing Westchester residents because we have this useful tool that converts stupid trailer park people into smart people; it's called public education and well funded schools funded by high taxes.  That keeps our IQ pretty high.

Maybe Alabama should copy NY to increase the IQ of the people there.  Maybe the UN should give teachers worldwide a subsidy if they bilingually immerse their kids in the local language and English and the kids get an incentive to move outside of their language zone, find someone from a different language zone, live in a totally different language zone, and have 3 kids with them.  Those kids would have English be their primary language.

More money for public education + time -> higher population IQ.
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Every single anti abortion male (myself included) shouldn't have sex until the doctor approves of their vasectomy.

This is the only respectable way to be anti-abortion I think.

You think the concern of 9 months of plausible woman's pain isn't worth committing intentional fetal homicide; I agree.  Then the concern of 3 days or so of male pain from vasectomies is also not worth committing fetal homicide.

Get vasectomized before you have sex that has the potential to produce pregnancy or shut up about abortion.
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Women were meant to be objectified; if they weren't, then no man would want to marry them.

I can’t be sexist; I’m getting a vasectomy before I have sex so the woman I’m with doesn’t have to be on painful birth control meds or risk pregnancy.  All birth control burdens; on me.
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Fiscal conservatives: We want to cut government spending to balance the budget.

Me: On what?  You would have to cut spending by 20%.  The Us budget is here:


Please tell me what you want to cut.  These are your only options whether you like it or not.

Fiscal conservatives (FC): I dOn'T KnOw!.

Me: When you advocate for cutting government spending to balance the budget, you don't mean what you say; you bandwagon.

Cutting government spending leads to people dying.  Accept that or don't call yourself fiscally conservative.

FC: How would you rather balence the budget?

Me: Raise taxes on the globalists!
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I am confused as to which side I take on this debate.  I want the people here to provide arguments I can't think of myself.

Really with all activities you can do that are dangerous, you can say, “If you don’t want the risk, then don’t do the activity”.  But with all of these activities (except for sex), if things go south, then you can legally get treatment in all 50 states since you aren’t harming anyone by getting treatment for the vast majority of activities (you aren’t harming anyone significantly if you put ice on your hand after a burn from matches).

Find some situation that meets all of the following criteria:

1. Feels very good to do on an instinctive level.
2. Has plausible risk to it if things go very south.
3. Treatment would harm some other entity significantly 

And one bullet point from the following criteria:
4. Therefore, you should not be allowed to get the treatment due to the significant harm it would cause to others.
5. Despite this, you should be allowed to get the treatment despite the significant harm it would do to others.

It’s easy for me to think of many situations where 1 and 2 are met.  It’s much harder for me to complete 1-3 and then get 4 or 5.  Your answer for 4 or 5 should be something pretty much everyone agrees with.

I will tag one person who believes abortion should be legal and another who wants it banned.  Let me know what you guys come up with.

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Let’s say there is a school shooting.  Why do people tear down the whole school because of the shooting?  Like, there was a brutal rape and murder in Central Park.  Nobody decided to tear down all of Central Park.

Like the Sandy Hook shooting; everyone involved with that shooting is at least in highschool now.  There is not a single elementary school aged person in Sandy Hook that will be traumatized by being in the same building.

Tearing down buildings and re building them is such a waste of money!
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Pro lifers: Zygote Life matters more than Woman's Pain.

I'm not against them believing that and I honestly agree with that.  But it's an unpopular way to say it.  It doesn't matter.  It's true.

If you disagree with this, then that's fine; but it means you want abortion to be legal and that's fine to believe that.

But I think if a woman doesn't want pregnency, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before she has sex with him.  I'm getting a vasectomy before I have sex; I don't have one right now and that means no woman should have sex with me yet.  Once I get the vasectomy, then mutual consent is important; it's horirble to defend rape.
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Whether it's the Gaza Strippers or the West Bank Wagina; Israel wants to stick it's big ... long ... Jewish nose inside of that Palestinian pussy; Palestine is getting fucked so hard. The Jews from Israel irrigate the Palestinian land, so they make that pussy luscious and wet. The Jews made the land in Palestine productive, so they turned Palestine on.
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Lets say America has a civil war and Biden is in charge (so red America breaks away).  Lets say the Biden administration does a genocide on MAGA cultists.  Before that, Qanon destroys Manhattan on July 4.  Lets say you are a left wing Irish person.  You got 2 options: Stand with Democracy, or stand with Texas.  What side would you expect that person to pick?

I would expect that person to stand with Democracy simply because that is their team.

So why a bunch of left wingers are cheering on hyper conservative Palestine because the people there are being genocided by a leftist government I don't understand.  Vice versa applies to conservative pro Israeli supporters.

Israel is a leftist hellhole according to you guys.  UHC, abortion on demand, hatred for Jesus (at least the Muslims see him as a noble prophet).  The definition of a biological Jew is someone whose mother is a jew.  Israel is feminist.  Conservatives love Israel though.

The reason for the divide?  Race.  Israel is stereotypically white and Palestine is stereotypically brown.

The big issue of the day is an RSG issue; the left doesn't care about the Palestinian genocide anymore than they would care about a Qanon genocide as a result of bombing Manhattan.  The right hates leftism until Israel is leftist.

If Israel was a black majority country, then do you really think the conservatives would send them foreign aid to deal with the problem?  Ethiopia also has Jews fighting for religious freedom; nobody on the right even cares about them.
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Trolley problem indicates most people (myself included) would kill one person to save 5.  This means it's acceptable to cause harm if you prevent more of it.  This position is defined as pro intervention.

Homeless problem (is it better to refuse to give a homeless person food and let them die painfully or shoot them in the back of the head, ending their pain?) indicates that most people prefer painfully letting someone die vs killing them painlessly.  This means it's acceptable to cause harm if you prevent more of it.  This position is defined as anti intervention.

What is the difference between these 2 situations?  The trolley problem requires less sacrifice than the homeless problem.

Low sacrifice = Pro intervention.  High sacrifice = Anti intervention.

The abortion debate is certainly very high sacrifice, so it takes the anti-intervention position (it's better to painfully let someone die than to painlessly kill someone).  So when people say, "How come pro lifers only want to prevent fetal death and not the death of foster kids?", well now you know why.  They believe letting someone die (poorly funded foster care) painfully is not as bad as painlessly killing someone (abortion).

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Define chair in a way that includes all chairs and excludes all non chairs and I will use your method to define a woman.
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Liberty and
Guns
Builds
Toughness
+(more of it)
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Trump doesn't MEAN it
Then why would he say it?

TYT is biased
Fox News won't report on it because they know it makes them seem unpopular.

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If you could only do one:

  1. Prevent one zygote from dying from abortion
  2. Prevent one child from dying from starvation
Then what do you pick and why?
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Wrt the argument, 

"If there is a kid and a Dad in a canoe and the kid has a contagious illness that has a .02% chance of killing the dad, then the dad isn't allowed to murder the kid to spare him the risk of death", the argument is correct, but only because there is a consented risk.  If the Dad didn't want to be at risk for the illness, then he just maintains social distancing from his kid.  If he doesn't want to ever be around his kid, then he should set the kid up for adoption.

Parents being around kids with a .02% chance of having a deadly illness consented to that risk, otherwise they would just not have the kid.  Unwanted pregnancy is not a consented risk.

Because of this, abortion should be legal until the moment of birth, because there is no time where you get prosecuted by the state for failing to take a risk to your life.
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If you are a straight man who hates Trump, then who would you rather have sex with and start a family with:

  1. Margerie Taylor Greene
  2. Bernie Sanders

If you are a 100% straight man who hates Trump, then it doesn't matter how much you hate MTG and like Bernie Sanders, you would rather start a family with Jewish Space Laser MTG than Bernie Sanders.

If you are a straight man who likes/loves Trump, then who would you rather have sex with and start a family with:

  1. AOC
  2. Ron DeSantis

Same thing as the prior situation.

Most people aren't as straight as they like to admit.

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A parent does not value anyone's life as priceless, not even their own kids.

If they did, then the parents would never go on vacations, never take time off.  They would be willing to work 120 hours a week 7 days a week (about 17 hour days) (if it benefits their kids even slightly).

They value the lives of their kids as valuable, but not priceless.

It's a hard pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

I also don't understand it why parents take it hyper personally if you insult one of their kids even accidentally.  People deliberately insult Donald Trump all of the time; it's not like Trump's dad is mad at democrats for hating his son and even going so far as to incarcerate his son.

People insult Hunter Biden all the time; Joe Biden doesn't care.  Maybe there needs to be a maximum age for people to actually care; people insult Greta Thumberg when she was a minor; her parents don't care.

Everyone is fair game if society respects the 1st amendment, including other people's kids (which is everyone since we are all somebody's kid).
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What is your ideal age of consent?  I’m just getting a poll.  If Korea doesn’t respond, then it’s understandable because he would get banned if he said his honest answer.

Europe has really low ages of consent and nobody calls it pedophillia, so I think America can largely copy what Europe is doing.

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One of them actually likes the government feeding them.  The other complains about "big government spending" as they are part of the reason why the government spends so much.

Hypocrites piss me off.
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I'm saying this improvement here so it is more likely to actually happen

What if you had the top 20 most active users instead of top 10?
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Jan 6 = Treason.

I believe in Law and Order and I support our Law Enforcement (defund the police is retarted).

Anyone that disagrees only supports Law and Order for the left, but Rebel Pride for the right and it's the move of a partisan hack.
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The left: The Climate is so bad right now that we don’t have the ability to fix it!

Me: I don’t have the ability to fix my dead grandfather.  That doesn’t mean I lecture to politicians about the need to fund technology that can bring people back from the dead.

The left: We didn’t mean it like that.  We want to fix a unfixable problem!
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While they are technically correct, the information is irrelevant.  I'm not going back to Italy anytime soon.  It would be a horrible idea to only let Natives live in the USA.
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Wiki's examples:

Reparations can take numerous forms, including practical measures such as affirmative action; individual monetary payments; settlements; scholarships and other educational schemes; systemic initiatives to offset injustices; or land-based compensation related to independence. Other types of reparations include apologies and acknowledgements of the injustices;[1] the removal of monuments and renaming of streets that honour enslavers and defenders of slavery; or naming a building after an enslaved person or someone connected with abolition.

I underlined what I disagree with; I bolded what I agree with.  But I need rednecks to be on board, so maybe remove the racist Lee statues and replace them with gun toting cowboys and bald eagles with a strapped AR 15 on their back.  Replace the confederate flag with a Harley Davidson Flag.

America Fuck Yeah!
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I did change a lot since I first got on DART.  When I first got on here, I was a conservative.  Now, I don't affiliate with any party, but I respect the left more than the right simply because they have a consistent ethos that they stick by even when it's not convenient (being anti unwanted pain).  ALL of their beliefs are designed to reduce unwanted pain.  They want legal abortion because it prevents unwanted maternal pain (late term abortions produce pain unless you give the fetus painkillers, which is done in states that legalized abortion until the moment of birth).  They want to ban AR 15s because of the pain inflicted on by mass shootings; they want to abolish ICE because of the pain from deportations.  They want to stop anti Semitic hate crimes that happen to Hasidic Jewish individuals; this is despite 83% of Hasidic voters or so voting for Trump in 2020.  The left is consistently anti unwanted pain even to groups that don't return the favor with votes.

The right on the other hand, has no consistent ethos. 

They stand for "tradition" (a euphemism for the status quo) until it's Roe V Wade (a 50 year old American tradition that their party got rid of). 

Or they stand for, "life" (unless it's universal healthcare). 

Or they stand for, "victimless liberties" (honestly my moral code) unless it's undocumented immigration, weed, or Qualified immunity. 

Or they stand for, "Law and Order" unless the law calls for repealing the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment (which lets be realistic; if Trump acted tyrannical in a way that benefitted the right, then they wouldn't take up arms about it) or if the law mandated COVID updated boosters, then these people would be calling the government tyrannical. 

Or they stand for western civilization, until Andrew Tate trashes the west for being woke, then they hate western civilization (western civilization is very left wing compared to Latin America or the deep dark Sahara).

You can't advocate for, "freedom" and, "law and order" at the same time; the whole point of the law is to take away liberty in the pursuit of some form of safety (whether it's safety from death, pain, or inferiority[example: we force kids to do to school to save them from being inferior versions of themselves]).

I can respect the left even though I don't always agree; this is not nearly as true for the right.
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I got 2 main concerns with this.  The 1st is easily solvable.  The 2nd isn't:

  1. Gender integrated campouts have the potential to lead to underage sex and unplanned pregnancies.  This is easily solved with all girl or all boy tents.
  2. Pretty much no girl wants to go camping in the woods with dudes.  They would rather hang around a bear than a strange dude that they don't know.  It doesn't make any sense to rational men, but it makes sense to emotional women (a left wing transwoman said this, so I can't get called sexist for it).  If they would rather hang around a bear than a random dude, then they want nothing to do with men.  If women hate men this much, then I'm a guy; I don't want to make women uncomfterable and I don't hate them back; I will try and keep my distance.  But any woman who says they would rather hang around a bear than a man and is willing to go camping with literal teenage boys (I would rather hand around adult men than teenage boys; I like hanging around smart people and adults tend to be nicer than teenagers since adults have suffered more, although many exceptions exist) doesn't believe a word they say and will follow the big influencers.  The influencers of women should not be some random celebrity online that has no vested interest in the women's success; the primary influence that should affect a female are her parents and when she marries; her husband.  Any woman that wants to camp outside with teenage boys while rather being with a bear in the woods than a man is not clerly fit to run her life needs to take medical THC, relax, and understand that the world isn't out to get her like what left wing politicians want her to believe because more scared women are more likely to vote democrat.
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Normies: I'm not racist; I have a black friend.

Me: I'm not racist; I think every confederate flag should get lit on fire and replaced with the 2nd amendment flag!

Normies: I'm not anti sematic; some of my best friends are Jewish.

Me: I'm not anti sematic, I think literally every Jewish person living in Israel should move to the US to escape bombings from Hamas!

Normies: I'm not homophobic; I got a gay friend!

Me: I'm not homophobic; I literally think a company should not be allowed to fire you for being LGBT (or unvaccinated).

Normies: I'm not transphobic; I'm not afraid of transgenders.

Me: I might be transphobic depending on your definition of transphobia.  If it's believing that you can't just identify as a woman and become a woman, then I'm transphobic in that regard.  But I also think it's possible to be a woman with a dick.  So if your definition of transphobic is believing that only men have dicks, then I wouldn't be transphobic.

The normie is afraid of unpopular labels; I care more about truth than agreeableness.
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Some time later today, the sun will set and the sun will rise tomorrow.  One of 2 things will happen tomorrow:

  1. There will be hundreds of iterations of, "The X religion is the one true religion" (X being something like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.) in changing colors so we know it's not a plane engine.
  2. There will be no hundreds of iterations of that sort in the sky.
I will convert to whatever happens to be the result tomorrow if you agree to do the same in advance.  If situation 2 happens, then atheism is the assumed winner.
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If a man wants to marry multiple consenting women (or vice versa), then it should legalized in order to expand liberty in this country.
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Me and probably a dozen other people have made suggestions that didn't go into account.  The argument is that it's too much to handle.  So then have there be multiple developers.  Find someone willing to help out and then they develop the website further.

Maybe it can be work of the mods.
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