Why transgenders are more grateful than black people

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A white man says, "I'm not racist; my girlfriend is black".  Blacks argue that you can still be racist with a black girlfriend.

A cisgender man says, "I'm not transphobic; my girlfriend is trans".  The trans community is actually convinced by that.

Hence, why transgenders are more grateful than blacks.
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You can have a black girlfriend and still be racist. It’s not likely, but possible.

If you’re dating a trans woman, then unless you are secretly gay, you are saying that trans people are real and you can change your gender. I think that it’s even less likely for you to discriminate against them for the additional reason that you acknowledge their preferred gender identity.

Just my thoughts.
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I'm sort of thinking though the standard should be, "If you are dating a person knowing they are X, then you can't be bigoted towards X people".  I would even argue, "If you have a black friend, then you aren't racist towards black people" and similar for transgenders.  People seem to be more strict than that.

An actual anti-black racist wouldn't be friends with someone who is black even if they had the choice to be friends with a black person (whites living in towns 99% white don't have many black friends to pick from).
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I guess this is fair
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My main point was about transgender being an issue of gender, so dating someone who is trans means that you accept them. Dating a black person doesn’t really have that same effect because it’s a race. I don’t really buy that premise you make. Often times racial biases are unconscious. Not many people admit to being racist, but sometimes might hire a white person for a job because they were raised around more white peoples and thus are more comfortable around white people. I’m not saying it’s likely, but surely it’s possible, right? The same goes for trans people I guess, but at least by dating someone you accept them for who they are.
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Dating a black person doesn’t really have that same effect because it’s a race.
I think it does.  White supremests hate whites that marry blacks and have mixed kids.  You saw how much they freaked out when a white woman (forgot her name) had a mixed kid (with an Iranian, not a black) and she got viral for saying the N word while white.  She was the white supremest wet dream until they found out she has a mixed kid; then they cancelled her.
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i don't have any serbian friends and i've never dated or married a serbian

therefore i must be an anti-serbian racist serbianophobe
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The converse is not identical to the original statement.

The original statement: If you have a X friend, then you are not bigoted to the X group.

The converse: If you don't have a X friend, then you are bigoted to the X group.

Converses are not logically equivalent to the original statement.
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Converses are not logically equivalent to the original statement.
sure, but the "political correctness police" don't care about that

if the only way to prove i'm not an anti-serbian racist serbianophobe

is to befriend or marry one

that seems like a ridiculously high-bar to meet

perhaps i could donate to some serbian charity like "serbian lives matter"

how much do i have to donate to prove i'm not an anti-serbian racist serbianophobe ?


because we all know that silence is complicity
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sure, but the "political correctness police" don't care about that
Well, I'm not the crazy PC police, so steelman my arguments like I'm doing to you.
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Can you compile all your hot takes under one thread or do you earn money by creating threads?
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Well, I'm not the crazy PC police, so steelman my arguments like I'm doing to you.
how do you propose someone prove they are not an anti-serbian racist serbianophobe ?
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Can you compile all your hot takes under one thread or do you earn money by creating threads?
I could, but I get new hot takes every now and then.
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how do you propose someone prove they are not an anti-serbian racist serbianophobe ?
Simple, you ask them, "Do you hate some people because they are Serbian?"  If they answer yes, then they are an anti-serb racist.  If they answer no, then they are not an anti-serb racist.
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Simple, you ask them
if only it was that simple
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I'm not sexist because I have a girlfriend.
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if only it was that simple
To me, it is.
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If you were a genuine sexist, then no girl would plausibly find interest in you since you don’t have enough money to attract gold diggers who can put up with your “sexism” for money.
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Also anything that any whites at all support is by definition not racist against whites and anything that any men at all support is by definition not sexist against men.