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@Discipulus_Didicit
I feel like there is definitely a play we could use with that commute that I am simply missing right now.
If passed to the right person (not me), then the NK is prevented. It's rather similar to Doctor, but self only.
We don't always have the best of luck outthinking scum, but sometimes we get it right.
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@Mharman
4 investigative abilities is hard for me to believe
Likewise. The problem of course is figuring out which are fake.
I'm most skeptical of Whiteflame (how was Pie a better target than the cop?!), but I know it won't go anywhere today.
I'm least skeptical of myself, for obvious reasons.
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Player Character Role NP1
Graveyard
Savant the Builder! motivator Lyched DP1
iLikePie5 War system! Lynch-Defier NKed
No theme split.
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Player Character Role NP1
Discipulus_didicit RBed
Graveyard
Savant the Builder! motivator Lyched DP1
iLikePie5 War system! Lynch-Defier NKed
No theme split.
Impressions:
My ones from earlier got dominated by a focus on a false alarm scum slip, but one little thing sticks out to me: #66
Above I've filled in Restless Spirit as the role, I don't know if Casey knew that, and Lunatic seems unlikely to have excluded it. Could be another false alarm, but they're in my scum pile (you can consider my vote on them).
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@whiteflame
he said he would post it and then conveniently forgot about that the next day
We're on DP2, and literally my first post today was a full claim, with added details that scum are unlikely to have realized to fake then fake.
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@Casey_Risk
Not claiming DP1 is my SOP.
While usually it’s to hide investigators and other high value targets, in this case I happened to be one.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
i must have read that post five times without seeing that. Thanks!
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@Casey_Risk
There's also the fact that Barney claimed last, which is convenient for scum.
How so? Scum claiming stuff last is for when they fear being counter claimed, but in your theory they’d want to maximize the camaraderie.
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@whiteflame
Would you mind pointing out which post you said you were rollblocked?
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Player Character Role NP1
Discipulus_didicit RBed
Barney Archer Tower Watcher RBed
Graveyard
Savant the Builder! motivator Lyched DP1
iLikePie5 War system! Lynch-Defier NKed
No theme split.
Impressions:
- Wyited: I dislike #4, since yes he would call that bluff (not even saying I sus him, merely disagreeing with that statement of confirmation). Ok, #9 has me sus. #25 has me really sus, since I am not seeing whiteflame claiming to have been roleblocked. #32 moves in the same direction; I'm wondering if I missed an early post from whiteflame, but I've doublechecked them all.The tunnel vision on Casey is weird. #104 reads like desperation to put a square peg into a round hole.
- Whiteflame: I sus him, #13 acts like me stonewalling full claims is abnormal, and also that he wasn't roll blocked or killed.
- Mharman: #23 is potentially a major scum slip. With no one talking about role blocks yet this day, he mentions the plurality of them. Nevermind, #40 town confirms him for me (we suffered the same RB before even selecting people; scum wouldn't have that occur).
- DD: #38 confirms for me a mass RB power, but it couldn't be as easy as all non-scum RBed; I'm guessing it's some type of status field from the game, which certain units are immune; still, eyes on the people who did not report being RBed. Oh credit for an idea that would effect everyone in #105.
- Casey: #128 has be concerned and confused.
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@WyIted
I’ll need to get caught up on reading.
I’m the archer tower, a watcher.
The archer just hangs out on her perch watching everything.
I did not even get to select a target because I was roleblocked.
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I'm more trusting of Wyiteds claim now that we know other townies have weird claims like that.
He needs time for his investigation, and we're already down one person.
VNTL
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Player Character Role NP1
iLikePie5
Savant (affiliation confirmable)
Casey_risk
Discipulus_didicit
Barney
Graveyard
No theme split.
Notes:
Savant and iLikePie5 have a feud going on (if one dies, it could be an attempt to frame the other, but it could also be the other is legit guilty).
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I'll be voting. I just want to see an updated vote tally first.
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@420-1776
Thank you for trying out mafia, even if it wasn't your jam.
Up Dog is a classic dad joke...
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Do not read anything between my last tag to you guys and this one. It will only cause severe brain damage and neither of you deserves that. All you need to know is that 420 got themselves modkilled. Please vote pie now. Or whiteflame, idgaf. One of those two. Pie has more votes on them though.
Durrr, too late!
And yeah, ouch. Once again, sorry that I invited him to try out mafia. I was actually going to take my vote off him due to mharman's idea of how to find a replacement, but I doubt that will be available now.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Savant
@WyIted
There is a high probably of us mislynching DP1.
420 won't do any good sitting there being idle. If anyone knows of an inbound replacement, great, but if not he should be our kill.
If we don't kill him, every day we'll have one less vote, even while the votes needed will stay the same. This gives scum too much control.
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@ILikePie5
Can you please claim
I will tomorrow.
I don’t see it as yet in towns best interest to do a mass full claim. For one thing, the mystery messes with scum.
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Anyone else want in on this? There may be an open slot.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Ultimately I think of we lynch Barney and we are wrong we lose a fluff machine vs if we lynch Whiteflame and we are wrong we lose an engaged player and cop.
How are male players supposed to perform without a fluff machine? 🤨
False dilemma anyways. The lynch is inevitably going to be 420.
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@ILikePie5
So why are you sussing me for wanting to No Lynch, which I literally usually never want to do.
Ok I’m sold that he’s town.
If scum feared they were a target today, they’d just wait for a noob to be sacrificed; and then possibly murder Savant in the night to take all attention away from themselves.
As for No Lynch, I’m probably always on board for it. Scum mainly win by us killing each other; so if there’s not a reason to think someone is more than likely scum, there’s strong merit in no BLTs.
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Player Character Role NP1
iLikePie5
Savant (affiliation confirmable)
Casey_risk
Discipulus_didicit
Mharman
420-1776
Barney One whose momma is so fat she gave birth to a building
No theme split.
Notes:
Savant and iLikePie5 have a feud going on (if one dies, it could be an attempt to frame the other, but it could also be the other is legit guilty).
Reads:
- Wyited: Town (early off claim)
I'm otherwise going to call this focus on what type of character someone is, to be at best fluff (no theme split); however Wyited as a goddamned social mechanic which doesn't directly effect playing the game, that seems too daring. If he turns out to be the ONLY odd role, then he's sus, in the mean time, scum claiming something like that so early doesn't fit how they have to behave. Plus, with no theme split, scum need not use fake character claims. - Whiteflame: leaning scum (off cop claim)
I think cops should not out themselves so early (part of why I don't give in easily to claim demands). Cop is the best way to get instant town cred, but is also the single most easy role for scum to fake. I'd prefer it if cops would beat around the bush, call themselves an investigator (same with the other investigators) until it's necessary to do a full claim. One thing that does stand out to me, is his talking about RBs to pre-explain (for any other player I'd call call this a scum slip).
The big problem (which says great things about his skill), is that we cannot ask ourselves "would he do this as scum or as town?" Because the answer is yes. - iLikePie: leaning town
I might have found his scum tell, and I am not seeing it. Key word is might. - Savant: town
The feud between him and Pie puts a lot of attention on both, and reading (okay, skimming) it, makes me lean scum on him. But then he claims he's got a reveal party scheduled, so we can give him time. If he can't prove his claim, we lynch then. - Casey: leaning town
This early there's not much to go on, but I like they they're questioning if I might be scum (even if I think it might be repeated from someone else). Critical analysis is generally a great thing to have. - DD: null but in my town pile
They're adding flavor to the game (such as the ex communication order), and I deeply appreciate that. Through at least the next day phase, it'd take a smoking gun to get my vote on them (the same applies were I scum, they'd have to be HVT to get NKed). That said, they are careless enough to do a sneak vote when voting on someone to pressure them. - Mharman: lean scumJust a gut feelings from his limited posts, like anti-fluff if you will? Trying to make the very few posts with nothing to go on seem really useful. Inauthentic is the word which comes to mind to describe the feeling.Oh, the whole explaining away the every so slight lurking, multiple times... Let someone call you out for being logged in. If they're pressing a lynch over that, you've just identified the person who NEEDS to be lynched (either they're scum, or they're a detriment to town for their lack of intellect).Oh and anyone who doesn't want to be seen as going online when you're not, please close any tabs with this site in your phone (that is my best guess as to some of the false logins).
- 420-1776: null but in my scum pile
Refuses to give me any Up Dog, nor even acknowledge the request!
So new players are more likely to be scum, as it's a great way to get someone hooked on the game.
If town, we can't rely on them joining us for important votes... I'd be just fine if he'd pop in when tagged, but we are far short of that activity level...
So my apologies for encouraging him to join this game (I think it's been mentioned, but he wanted a lot of forum posts, and I thought this was a good solution which could lead to a new mafia player). - Barney: Scum
He is always scum.
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@420-1776
I win the town, if that is needed information.
Everyone is supposed to pretend to win with town... Because town are a bunch of psychopaths murdering anyone who they feel is different.
However, thank you for posting. Please post a lot more, you can even just post questions about how the game works... Also, if we're going to win, we still need that Up Dog.
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@TheUnderdog
@420-1776
Dude, you need to bring us some more Up Dog or we're going to have to put you down.
*Activity Ping*
VTL 420
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Player Character Role NP1
Wylted Grand Wizard? Lights crosses on his enemies lawns... Correction, David Duke, with the power of Jewdar (everyone, remember that he's a clown)
Whiteflame Guard Tower Cop
iLikePie5
Savant (active)
Casey_risk
Discipulus_didicit
Mharman
420-1776
Barney Purple Dinosaur Singer
No theme split.
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Savant and iLikePie5 have a feud going on (if one dies, it could be an attempt to frame the other, but it could also be the other is legit guilty).
Whiteflame- 3/5- wylted, iLikePie5, DD
I'm sus of DD's involvement here. Whiteflame posted that he would be away for a couple hours, then fifthteen minutes later DD votes without tagging him.
Not seeing too much else to go on, but I admit to being very weak DP1.
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@420-1776
In a game this size there are almost guaranteed to be two mafia members.
There is occasionally a third party, most often starting with one member, then expanding.
Town and mafia should be at a comparable mean power level.
As an example, Savant is the doctor, which can keep someone alive if scum target them. He's also scum, so this power is of lower value for him. This means that your role is more likely to be less powerful; but if there's some vanillas (players without powers, not seen in all setups), then you are likely to be more powerful to make up for the weakness, ... FYI, Savant was used as an example of a player, I have no clue what power they really have.
The main way to determine who is scum, is just by asking people questions and such, and look for contradictions, or simply your own gut instinct.
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@whiteflame
Barney - I'm trying to understand the townreads on Barney. I see 5 posts so far in the DP, the first two of which are joke posts (I did like them), as is the fourth. The third post had some substance in the view that Casey being declared town by WyIted somehow gave WyIted town cred, and while I understand why WyIted might be prone to townreading that, I don't get why anyone else would. And the last post is just a perspective on whether claims do more harm than good. He's a null read for me atm, nothing here stands out.
VTL Whiteflame for towncred!
I'm jonesing for more towncred... Anyone got some cred for me? I just need five dollars for a some cre- I mean five dollars for a bus ticket. I have a whole sob story and everything!
Oh nevermind, I find some old cred between the couch cushions!
/unvote
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In seriousness, no one is really town confirmed at this stage (I argue the possibility of scum should always be reviewed). There's just intuition for early learnings, which is invalid and yet sound (yeah, not how that's supposed to work).
The town read on me is likely based on how long it's been since Wyited played. I used to work too hard as scum, and enjoy a little freedom as town. Now I try to be a minor force of chaos regardless of which side, to make the game more enjoyable for everyone. I'm not perfect, but I like to think I make it a difficult determination.
BTW, we should totally use our NK on ______ tonight. Them admitting to being the Barbarian, who is like the spokesperson for the game... They just have to die!
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@Discipulus_Didicit
- There is no theme split so obviously no point in anyone character claiming unless they just role claimed.
It's as usual a mixed bag. Locking scum in to limit their fake claims later is a boon, them knowing who our most useful characters likely are is really bad.
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@Savant
Barney is also town along with CaseyHow do you know this from one post? That's way too small of a sample size.
He's an expert at craniometry.
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Player Character Role NP1
Wylted Grand Wizard? Lights crosses on his enemies lawns... Correction, David Duke, with the power of Jewdar (everyone, remember that he's a clown)
Whiteflame
iLikePie5
Savant
Casey_risk
Discipulus_didicit
Mharman
420-1776
Barney Joke about the wrong game.
No theme split.
Casey quickly declared town by Wyited (in turn giving himself town cred).
Scum will figure it out, but for his true role look closely which character in Clash of Clans most closely resembles David Duke, and can detect those greedy little... Wyited obviously has that character's other power, which is quite impressive.
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@WyIted
Sharing a phone number... No matter where you got it... Banned for doxing!
/joke
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I'm that whatever from Raid Shadow Legends... Time to spam some terrible ads at you!
Note: For ethical reasons, no actual spam shall be connected to this joke.
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Thanks for a fun game everyone!
And double thanks to our host Austin, for the great concept, which was no doubt a ton of work to design.
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@420-1776
Here’s the next mafia game. It’s a pretty fast route to having lots of forum posts without spamming.
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@Lunatic
Don’t worry. Given the many oddities in the available information, it’s the flip of a coin for who is innocent.
Also this is a fairly standard scum pile negotiation to achieve a lynch.
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And now with the hammer in place, I can reveal that it was really me the whole time. That’s how I was so accurate with stopping NKs!
🤪
Kidding of course.
🤪
Kidding of course.
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@AustinL0926
If we win, consider me to have lost. I do not believe in this, but I do believe in eventually ending the game (for better or worse).
GG everyone!
VTL Wyited
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
*Drum roll...*
So I'm like 35% sure it's Wyited, 60% that it's Pie, and 5% that it's Lunatic (yes, I know it's stupid).
Part of me wants to fight on the whole vig shot (Casey would have prevented it being used, if that's what happened), but a greater part hates when games get decided like that (not to say we shouldn't get role information, but trying to over analyze anything the host does crosses some lines).
I do hate the spam today. I vote we all make it a policy to kill anyone who does it like that in future (not saying a few posts is bad, but like consolidate some thoughts; with so few of us left there shouldn't be 9 pages).
Reviewing that post from Pie (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11290-upick-mafia-dp4?page=5&post_number=137) Wyited not being pro-active today does stick out (not implying alignment... more of just I'm ok killing the lazy).
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I'm ready to end the game. I think Wyited is somewhat less likely to be scum, but I can vote for him. For one thing, if today ends in a stalemate, the outcome is exactly the same anyways, merely with an extra day phase.
@Wyited, any post of yours you want me to read (or re-read) first? I gave Pie that curtsey, so it's only fair that I do the same for you.
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@WyIted
If you need math tutoring let me know. I'm pretty good at it.
I will not be back on until tonight, so no progress will happen until like 9 PT.
So focus on your studies, and don't worry about this game.... it's just a game.
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@ILikePie5
I’m at work. I spent my entire day typing and responding to you. I have a deliverable due.
If you need any help, let us know.
I'll revote later after I read a bit more.
Unvote
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@ILikePie5
A role blocker could have as well. But I think the means of Casey's power in it of itself would let the shot be kept. Further, less likely to be a role blocker on the scum team with that power already in play making a scum untargetable.Bolded part is false.
How so? You've seen what the host confirmed to me about shots being able to be kept through a failure.
The determination would be if their power makes them invincible, or untargetable.
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@Lunatic
Casey’s role would have prevented the 1x vig though
Hence, the shot not used up, even while the attempt to kill them was made.
And if your right about the second part than that indicates Wylted is scum and lying about vigging Casey
I'm not seeing the connection there. Why is a role blocker needed for Wyited to be scum or not?
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@Lunatic
A role blocker could have as well. But I think the means of Casey's power in it of itself would let the shot be kept. Further, less likely to be a role blocker on the scum team with that power already in play making a scum untargetable.
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@Lunatic
I think Wyited tried to shoot Casey, but the action failed with no impacts, so he kept the vig shot for use later.
He later shot Earth (a bit of a mistake, but Moozer not using the vest I gave indicates they were not onto him if he's scum).
I also think this doesn't need to be hard. Win or lose, it was a good game, scum especially did well.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
I dislike how much we're leaning on words from the host.
That said, we seem to be stating different answers.
I believe the host told me (without explicitly naming Casey, because that would be bullshirt), that if someone tried to shoot someone who prevents shots from landing, the shot would be refunded. Whereas someone wearing a vest, or treated by a doctor, the shot would be lost.
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@ILikePie5
Casey – you are “Un Chien Andalou.” You win with the mafia.Meaning? What Meaning? (Passive) - I’m sure that there’s some deep meaning behind your movie... but good luck figuring it out. Any players targeting you will have their action fail.Basically the shirt kill would be refunded if failed for targeting interference (let's call this magic).The shirt would be lost if if the kill failed for more normal reasons (let's call this physical).Please ask Austin if a Vig shot on Casey would result in the shot being used up or not.
The new information I shared was from Austin.
Casey's power seems more like the first than the second.
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Guys, I figured out what really happened to Earth.
Wyited didn't use my vig shot to kill Earth like we all thought...
Look at the state of the world, it's best described as a dumpster fire. I propose that Earth got really depressed, and talked his group of friends into the unanimous decision to kill him!
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@ILikePie5
I can read and not be convinced.
Partly I was a fan of The Apprentice for the first season. Him firing someone doesn’t click with him watching them. Could be a power balancing thing, but him sexually harassing people’s wives would make more sense for an investigation power.
There was also a ton of talk today about how Wyited didn’t really try to shoot Casey. While not assured, we now know that if he did as he said the shot most likely would have been refunded. Plus as scum why pretend to have tried to shoot the other one, instead of saving the bullet? Heck saved for tonight would have allowed a sneak victory.
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