Where she called for very fine people on both sides to tone it down a notch....
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very fine people on both sides
Sounds like sarcasm.
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@Greyparrot
she is making fun of trump for praising nazis.
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@HistoryBuff
which he did not, something you would know if you weren't a 2-braincell sheep.she is making fun of trump for praising nazis.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
which he did not, something you would know if you weren't a 2-braincell sheep
You shouldnt make personal attacks. Really, this isnt YouTube.
US presidential hopeful Donald Trump ranks higher than Adolf Hitler in psychopathic traits, according to a unique ranking of past and present world leaders developed at the University of Oxford.
Trump scored 171 point, two more than Adolf Hitler, while Saddam Hussein topped the list with a score of 189. Trump’s Democratic Party rival Hillary Clinton got a score of 152, placing her in the top 20% and between Napoleon and Nero.
The results, published in the journal Scientific American Mind, showed Trump scored higher than rivals, achieving a total score on a par with Hitler and Idi Amin. Of particular interest, Trump outscored the other candidates in “fearless dominance”, the area associated with successful presidencies, and in “self-centred impulsivity”, the set of traits considered negative.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
she is making fun of trump for praising nazis.which he did not
nazi's were rioting. When asked to condemn the nazi's, he would only say there was very fine people on both sides. To anyone with more than 2 brain cells, that means that there were very fine nazis.
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@Best.Korea
You shouldnt make personal attacks.
HistoryBuff is one of those who refuses to admit when he's wrong, no matter how strong the proof. (Along with Underdog and Double_R).
Unlike Double-R HistoryBuff appears to just be stupid and uninterested in evidence. It's not like I'm corrupting a rational dialogue with personal attacks, just idiotic parroting.
Similarly since you (and most members of the site) don't even try to debate there is no standard to uphold but to be slightly less cringe in my banter than you lot.
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@HistoryBuff
When asked to condemn the nazi's, he would only say there was very fine people on both sides.
Come on, put in a third braincell coach. You can do it if you try.
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@Best.Korea
Speaking of which it's about to happen again, watch.HistoryBuff is one of those who refuses to admit when he's wrong, no matter how strong the proof.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
lol this is why trump loves republicans. All he has to say is "I don't like nazi's, but people engaging in a nazi riot are great people" and people like you go, see he doesn't like nazis. it's just sad.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Similarly since you (and most members of the site) don't even try to debate
I gave up on debating long time ago, because people arent able to understand my words. They arent even close of logical creatures.
Still, it wont get any better if you throw insults.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Can you please provide us with images or identities of the very fine people who were not the Neo Nazis he was referring to?
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@Double_R
Can you please provide us with images or identities of the very fine people who were not the Neo Nazis he was referring to?
Here is one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Tarrio
That choice is quite intentional BTW. Obviously there were hundreds of randos and grandmas but the pretender government has abducted this man and keep him as a political prisoner, an example of the very real cost of their slanderous lies and why people like me are so angry.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Obviously there were hundreds of randos and grandmas
Obviously? I haven't seen that. Wondering if you have.
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@Double_R
Obviously there were hundreds of randos and grandmasObviously? I haven't seen that.
You don't see much, and neither does the propaganda media when its useless for propaganda. In the extremely unlikely event that everyone who protested against the removal of the statute on august 11th and 12th was a "neo nazi" or a "white supremacist" (I already pointed out Enrique and by extension most of any proud boys who were there) then Trump is simply wrong about there being "very fine people" because we know he was not talking about "the neo-nazis and the white supremacists".
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@HistoryBuff
@ADreamOfLiberty
In case either of you are curious, here's a good source on his statement:
He routinely does racist dog whistling, so it's hard to verify if a statement is or is not racist.
Also, the word Nazi is massively over used. If he praised white supremacists that day, it doesn't mean he drank the genocide Kool-Aid and praised actual Nazis...
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@Barney
He routinely does racist dog whistling, so it's hard to verify if a statement is or is not racist.
Yea, having a secret language hidden in a real language that follows no rules would make it hard to tell what someone is saying.
If he praised white supremacists that day
Well he appeared to condemn white supremacist that day, but who knows what he really means; these English words could be secretly racist and there is just no way to know until the southern poverty law center tells us.
If you prefer more direct rhetoric:
I have seen no mechanism by which "racist dog whistle" could be objectively evaluated. Such a mechanism would itself need to be logically derived from the definition of "racist" and not simply an arbitrary assertion of algorithm.
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@Barney
Also, the word Nazi is massively over used.
I'd add that "dogwhistle" is massively overused. You don't need to be that over the top overt to gaslight people into what words mean.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Such a mechanism would itself need to be logically derived from the definition of "racist" and not simply an arbitrary assertion of algorithm.
I suppose I will have to see the movie "Am I A Racist" to know for sure.
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@Greyparrot
Such a mechanism would itself need to be logically derived from the definition of "racist" and not simply an arbitrary assertion of algorithm.I suppose I will have to see the movie "Am I A Racist" to know for sure.
Careful citizen, that film has been deemed to be a danger to the collective interest. An information hazard as Wylted would say.
Seriously though, I can't stand Matt Walsh. He's a living incarnation of the religious dogmatist that features in LGBT mythos. Doesn't mean he can't make a funny movie or a good point.
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@Greyparrot
I'm guessing around 120 pounds.
Featherweight or Lightweight.
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@zedvictor4
Careful, Hillary is responsible for more damage than Mike Tyson's teeth.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump didn't praise Nazis. Everyone who protested that day wasn't a Nazi. Come on now.
Trump DID, however, deem the KKK a terrorist organization, accomplish significant prison reform, and call for the country to unify together under natural rights, freedom, and liberty and justice for all. He also denounced Neo-Naziism and violent protests multiple times in his presidency.
That is what the media might have conveniently forgotten to report on.
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@FLRW
US presidential hopeful Donald Trump ranks higher than Adolf Hitler in psychopathic traits,
It really doesn't matter. If the psycopath is going to do more to help the country from ego based reasons or because if any sort of real altruism who gives a fuck. Kamala could be the kindest and most generous person on the planet, it doesn't mean we should vote her in. We should be thinking about the consequences of the election not on personalities like dimwit do
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You don't see much, and neither does the propaganda media when its useless for propaganda.
Maybe I don't see them because they don't exist. Would explain why you can't provide them either.
In the extremely unlikely event that everyone who protested against the removal of the statute on august 11th and 12th was a "neo nazi" or a "white supremacist" (I already pointed out Enrique and by extension most of any proud boys who were there) then Trump is simply wrong about there being "very fine people" because we know he was not talking about "the neo-nazis and the white supremacists".
Simply wrong? That's the point you're not getting.
It's not about whether he was ultimately right or wrong, it's about why he would have said such a thing. Trump even told us at the time that he saw the same images as everyone else, so what else could he have been looking at?
Let's remember the context here, we just watched a bunch of white supremacists march down Charlottesville in broad daylight, one of ramming their car through counter protesters killing one of them. What would have been so difficult about condemning white supremecy and leaving it there? Nothing of course, unless you're Trump. He couldn't help himself. For whatever reason, whether it was because he sympathizes with them or simply because he knows they're his voters, he had to throw that "fine people" line in there.
There is a reason his chief of staff stood there with his hand in his face. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realized that this was not the time for that, but not Trump, because he clearly didn't feel the same way about what we just saw as everyone else. That's the point here.
I have seen no mechanism by which "racist dog whistle" could be objectively evaluated.
That's why he uses them. It's not rocket science. If his point is just vague enough the people who oppose it will be outraged, the people who love it will rejoice, and the people who don't agree with it but are predisposed to support him will pretend there's nothing there. This is his strategy, and he's been using it for decades.
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@Double_R
How many Trump supporters died in the last 7 years from political violence? I'm guessing more than the one example you have with Charlottesville.
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@WyIted
Those are just the top ones memory-holed by corporate media.
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@Double_R
You don't see much, and neither does the propaganda media when its useless for propaganda.Maybe I don't see them because they don't exist. Would explain why you can't provide them either.
Another explanation might be that it happened over six years ago and the only media that is left on the internet are from left-tribe hit-pieces. It is also rather hopeless when people like you would demand proof that someone is not a nazi. It wouldn't be good enough they they have a "don't treat on me flag" or something.
It's not about whether he was ultimately right or wrong, it's about why he would have said such a thing.
He saw that the deep state was going into full gear and was going to defame, frame, and the like in an attempt to fuel their propaganda?
That is exactly what happened so...
Trump even told us at the time that he saw the same images as everyone else, so what else could he have been looking at?
Yea who would talk about any images besides the ones being used for propaganda? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7oO8a2Nmc
Let's remember the context here, we just watched a bunch of white supremacists march down Charlottesville in broad daylight
Well you did. Just like I watched video of people setting innocent people's businesses on fire because 'black lives matter' (e.g. motivated by the belief that a race is under attack, sound familiar?) or something.
What would have been so difficult about condemning white supremecy and leaving it there?
lol so the only allowed message is to state the obvious and leave it at that. The obvious implication of constantly asking obvious questions would be to imply that there was doubt or contextual relevance. That would be ceding total control of the narrative to the propagandist.
Let's see if it works on you. Double_R do you condemn white supremacy and neo-nazis?
How about I ask that question every time you post. What would be so difficult about condemning white supremacy and leaving it there?
Anyone with an ounce of common sense realized that this was not the time for that, but not Trump, because he clearly didn't feel the same way about what we just saw as everyone else. That's the point here.
Or he was more rational than what you call "everyone else". For example I mock the headline "fiery but mostly peaceful" because of the hypocrisy, not because I find it impossible that a small minority of the protestors started all the fires.
Also it was an hour long conference. He started with building highways, it was the propagandists you tied to manufacture the narrative by asking complex (the fallacy) questions https://www.c-span.org/video/?432633-1/president-trump-news-conference.
"Why did you wait so long last week?" (This is August 15th BTW. + 3 days)
Trump says the first statement (the one he made on Saturday) was "fine" August 15th is a Tuesday. Thus "Saturday" was the 12th, the day it happened.
What did he say the day it happened? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY25ynGTuo
Crap I guess you're right. He saw a car slam into someone and apparently thought "Was that car made in the USA?" because he can't seem to just leave it at "stop the bigotry". Has to talk about car manufacturers and employment as well. I guess it is that difficult.
Is... talking about the economy also a racist dog whistle? Are the racist dogs in the room with us now?
I have seen no mechanism by which "racist dog whistle" could be objectively evaluated.That's why he uses them. It's not rocket science.
It must be harder than rocket science because I understand rocket science. Is this what they teach you in those absurdly named four credit but 1/4 lecture time courses like "decolonizing the mental architecture of the subliminal patriarchy using the science of anti-racism"?
If his point is just vague enough the people who oppose it will be outraged, the people who love it will rejoice, and the people who don't agree with it but are predisposed to support him will pretend there's nothing there.
You said "pretend", so you are claiming that I am pretending to not know the secret racist dog whistle language that apparently you know and the racists know?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You said "pretend", so you are claiming that I am pretending to not know the secret racist dog whistle language that apparently you know and the racists know?
Good point, you would have to admit that you were, at the very least, a former racist to be able to identify "dog whistles" that only racists can hear. Normal people just listen to the actual words.