Paper Mario Mafia Chapter 1 (DP1)

Any other thoughts on the game? I saw that you're busy, but you seem to have enough time to collect all of the claims, so I assume you read through thread and might have some opinions at this point.

What thought process led you to post 131?

You are right that Casey is likely to be too conservative for the hated claim,

but me, you and Barney seemed to naturally and independently pick up on mharman's flawed logic.

I think it's strange that you were shading Casey for "not noticing flawed logic" when you seemingly didn't read the posts in question.

Some people like to observe a bit before saying anything. I’ve been doing it my last few games,

I was picking up on the stuff you were laying down with skipper, because I also think he was laying the noob stuff on a lil too thick. Some of the questions almost seem like he is selling it too hard (asking what "SOP" means for example, that is a fairly common piece of terminology used all over the world, almost anyone who has ever had a real job knows what a "Standard Operating Procedure" is. That and I when he was asking about the pm stuff, a lot of that felt fairly common sense to me and where he over sold it is trying to say "Earth doesn't have my discord information, so I guess I have to be town right? haha right guys? look at silly little innocent noob me hahah!"

Even qouting one of Eminem's famous diss songs against Ja rule "Bump heads" (love that song btw, hard af. Almost seems like you are trying to be a badass and intimidate people off your lynch, which if you are genuinely town, you don't need to be doing this. This bravado does much the opposite, and I say that from the perspective as someone who has used this tactic with varying success as mafia before. I don't like it, and it seemed entirely unnecessary. 

Please stop doing tha5n the first posts are always awkward but just do them. 

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about as well -- are the characters in this game from across the series, or just the original Paper Mario? Tubba Blubba only appears in the first Paper Mario game according to the wiki, so I'm thinking it might just be that we're all from that one.

Yes, I read the forum mafia guide and the google docs mafia roles list to understand what I need to. After reading about what I can do in the game, I think I have an important role to play. 

I have questions about the game, but I don't what to ask them in a way that reveals who I am.

I'll start off with some basic ones though. 

What does VTL, SOP, and MYLO/LYLO mean? 

What should be happening during the DP? We try to balance between giving out info and trying to figure out who is who? It's okay to PM other players, right? 

Nah, Mharman is a young guy I believe early twenties, and he's coming hot off a town game he did rather well in. This bolsters his confidence quite a bit I think and is leaving him feel a bit invulnerable. Speaking as someone who played like this as mafia a lot after a strong town win where I am placed as mafia next, trying to ride off the success and town reads of the last game by pushing someone super aggressively as scum in the next game. If I hadn't been in this spot before I wouldn't suspect it so much. But maybe I am wrong, I wanna see how this plays out. 

Not sure if I buy Skipper's alleged town noobslips just yet. On the surface, they look nice, but I kinda get the sense he's leaning a little too hard into being a noob. The thing is, I've seen noob town act extra nooby on purpose just out of fear of getting mislynched DP1 of their first game. I did it in my first game, Philosophers IV.

At that point, if I had no strong scumread, I would have unvoted. 

So, why didn’t you? To me, it looks you were avoiding commitment more than you were apparently thinking I was. 

Not fully convinced off of Mhar at the moment, I'll hold on to my vote there.

but one question: why conclude that’s suspicious?

I still don't know what to think of her. Why say those lines and vote you? Is it hedging her bets?

Mharman - not sure how to feel about him. He hasn't said too much yet, but comparing what he has said to last game, it already feels like he's doing less to try and get the game moving and figure stuff out. Might be reading too deep into it though. Null read for now.

Buddy, you don't need to defend yourself so aggressively. No one's pointing their finger of suspicion at you yet. Except for me just now, because I find this sudden aggressiveness to be odd.

"Avoiding commitment" would me saying "I still don't feel amazing about Mhar, but I'll unvote for now." I was under the impression that what I said implied well enough what I thought about your posting- that it wasn't amazing, but not bad enough to lay down a case.

Keep in mind that last game was different in that no one was doing anything early on. If you remember what I said last game, I was annoyed by the fact that everyone else was doing what I've been enjoying lately... sitting back and observing. Which is why I got that party started... no need to do that now.

I don't think it's that confusing. She seemed to disagree with Mharman on most points, but me not explaining why I was keeping my vote on Mharman was problematic- so she pressure voted me.

The only point I don't agree with is that townies can never be afraid of being mislynched. To some degree, this is correct... scum tends to invest a little bit more into defending themselves from lynches. The big thing, however, is that I can think of a good reason a townie might want to invest a lot into avoiding a mislynch. Does it apply to Skipper? Idk. I do know that I'm not willing to give noobs passes for bad logic; I learned that lesson last game... again, shoutouts to Pie for making that case on Banana.

One thing you missed though: He talks a lot about others being vague, but then does it himself. I guess we all have, but I don't get the lack of self-awareness on his part.

All in all, you have a semi-decent case.

I won't lie, though. I'm more inclined to believe it because it looks like a post one would make while working connection with... Cerulean!

Lemme apply that page I took out of your book and have the balls to say: I think he's trying to bait an OMGUS from me.

I gotta give him props for the plan, too. I OMGUSed Pie in Villainous Villains, and he saw it. So why not start with some terrible logic ("Mharman is less active than I expect")?

If I give pushback, it's OMGUS. Time to pressure for a claim, perhaps a mislynch. If I say nothing, he continues to sneak diss the whole way, implying his sus on me. He can afford to wait for someone else to accuse me, and knows someone from town will eventually try to "pick up what he's putting down," because he's conditioning town to take real nice close look at me. Then, when someone makes their case on me, he gets to parrot, maybe "add to it" a little.

And if he gets called out for it by someone else? He can fall back on it being a reaction test. If I don't believe because, he doesn't need to be so subtle about such a test, or because it all seems too convenient (both of which I am alleging), he can say my pushback is irrational and spin it all back on me saying that he didn't really think I was scum until I reacted this way- he was merely testing me.

And if town is little slow to accuse me for his parrot, he can send his teammate (who is being townread by a few people) to help imply there's a case on me. It's not his first choice, but if he has to do it he has to do it.

Admittedly, I am aware he can spin one of my points back on me. I've also been hesitant to accuse until now, so what gives? Well, I was hesitant because I know if I counter-accuse, he's got what he wants. In a way, I'm giving him just that- except for the fact that someone else from town is starting to take a look at some of these things- you're kinda my hero for being the ice breaker. I'm gonna trust you.

I want to pressure Cerulean. His logic on me is basically just "Mharman was less active than usual, I'm kinda sus." Which he doubled down on by keeping his vote on me, but refused to accuse outright. 

1. It's the same terrible logic Banana had on Pie last game.

2. He has a plan behind that looks really good, even if I call it out

3. He doesn't need to be so subtle if this is a genuine reaction test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25aDpUpoj4k&ab_channel=Eminem-Topic

Alr Cerulean, game on.