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Reviewing abilities (you're fired is hard for me to believe), the increased likelihood that the shot failed to be fired, and more (can't write for too long at work).
VTL Orange Pie
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I oddly have a touch of no info.
Once I'm on a break from work, I'll cross check it and vote.
Basically the shirt kill would be refunded if failed for targeting interference (let's call this magic).
The shirt would be lost if if the kill failed for more normal reasons (let's call this physical).
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Notification count
Lunatic = 6
Wyited = 6
Pie = 25
I learned this game from Vader, who does over posting freskouts when scum. This makes me wary.
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VIG
I am somewhat forgiving of a lot with the whole vigilante thing, since I tried to keep information compartmentalized away from scum. Hence when Wyited stated vanillased, I did not think he was referring to any rare power but merely pretending to have been role blocked (I had passed him the roleblocking bulletproof vest).
Still, I have asked the host if the shot would be lost from failing. I expect no answer on it, but I can wait on voting for an answer/non-answer.
Personally if scum, I would have used it on my partner if they were about to take the fall (as Casey was). ... If not already stated by anyone, the investigation on them outed after they were about to be lynched anyways, does not give much town cred (some yes, but it's a no-lose gambit if scum).
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GROUPCHAT
Wylted, Moozer, and Earth I believe? I need to check the final message or two they each posted in game. Could be a hint if Wyited is scum. On the other hand, if Pie is scum, separating Wyited from team groupchat, is an optimal play.
Them not agreeing to any kill... I need to ponder a bit.
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1. Pie is saying we should suspect Wylted for lying about his role, when our has added something about his role each day phase now. If he’s covering information for a not yet used role that’s fine, but it’s hypocrital of him to tell us to sus Wylted for doing the same.
- Both should be sused. I'd say the ploy is one that doesn't tell faction, but merely that he's thinking how to manipulate brand new players.
2. Do you think a role like mine would also exist along side a role that clarifies actions passively as killing? Also shouldn’t that have made pie suspect me when I claimed this role early day phase 2? Why didn’t he mention his role along side mine then? What harm was there to do it?
- I was pondering this already. It's also a reason he should have defended JoeBob.
3. He is trying to tell us that earth was wylteds night kill target and that your big shirt was used. If that’s the case where did the moozer kill come from? He said the second kill had to be by earths vig. But he doesn’t explain why earth would kill moozer. Why would we believe that earth would kill a confirmed innocent townie?
- I'm a little confused as to the earth vig power. I thought the three had to agree?
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NP3 DEATHS
In case I haven't said it enough... DAMNIT MOOZER! My instincts were good this game when a lot more people were alive, trust them when I hand you a vest.
I really don't get why scum have not killed me.
Lunatic having already been protected by me, and largely town confirmed by Casey attempting to kill, seems like an ideal target. With Earth, it was a flip of a coin for if they would be protected by me.
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WYITED's ABILITY
Yeah, odd that he didn't get any trains formed to investigate them.
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I appreciate the Trump roleplaying!
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A 1x power I might. But I'd almost certainly lie and jus say it's an even night power or something.
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"That’s seriously townie to y’all?" Wyited is his own separate classification. There was a decent period of time where I referred to him as a policy lynch, and I may have NKed him for the same reason (I know I at least pushed for it, regardless of there being more optimal targets).
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It's midnight, so I have to go.
I have messaged our host about my vig giving power. I doubt we'll learn anything, but it'd be suck if we chose wrong and could have asked.
And I must agree with the sentiment that there are too many posts. Wyited should make a defense and an attack, either as one post, or two. Likewise with Pie. Then they defend, and lastly offer a final reply... That should be better than hundreds of posts; instead a small number of meaningful detailed ones.
I will post more tomorrow. Likely move the dashboard over and update it.
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@Lunatic
Honestly, your analysis is what I care about most. For starters, if we hypothetically VNTL today, tomorrow it will be the three of you with no new intel.
I'll read your posts tonight when I'm off from work (doing it during the work day, would not give a fair assessment to everything).
I'll read your posts tonight when I'm off from work (doing it during the work day, would not give a fair assessment to everything).
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I have to head in to work. Caught up to the start of this page.
A couple quick thoughts
What happened to the second vig shot from earth?
I was going to ponder Luna being scum with a 10% probability, but that’s ruled out by the NK attempt which was liver witnessed, or bussed when Casey was already on the chopping block).
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So we have three options today. No Lynch, which lets scum kill one more person and leaves us with the same situation as we’re already in.
Otherwise it’s Wyited or Pie. Either one is the final action of the game
Earth for having a vig kill power, was very unlikely to be scum. But town can make mistakes like that. Waited also passed on a NK if scum during NP1, which happens, but is unusual.
Pie has been the center of a lot, which is good because it keeps the game going, but also makes me instinctively sus towards him.
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I just got off the road after a lot of traveling this weekend, so my brain isn’t all the way on.
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@WyIted
Slight problem is that leads to a predictable Mexican standoff, one which we’re essentially already in.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Everyone please share your character, role, justifications, and previous actions.
I know this is at least mostly out already, but a fresh take in our own words would be nice.
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I'm RSVLTS, the best pop-culture clothing brand (at least if you can fork over $70 a shirt).
- I had a shirt auction for a truly killer shirt (1x vigilante shot, for a night of the winners choosing)
- Every night I give out a normal RSVLTS shirt, which looks too good to harm (prevents lethal actions against target, but they must choose to equip it in exchange for not doing other night actions).
- Presumably no one would harm one of those shirts, and some of them look so good they kill (I'm reading into it a bit)
NP1: Wylted, also that night I was given the Rubiks Cube, which I used to commute.
NP2: Lunatic
NP3: Moozer (who presumably did not accept it)
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
The chances of Casey being innocent after saying that, are quite slim.
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@Casey_Risk
Sorry we lynched before you got back.
Even while I’m convinced you’re scum, I had meant to unvote to let you speak (traveling this weekend, so intermittently very busy).
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@JoeBob
if you haven’t already DMed the host with your night action , you should do so now. Wyited or Earth is my suggestion, for a non-manipulated vig shot.
This is assuming that you’re actually town, and that the power will still activate.
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According to lunatics active player counter, most likely the officially passive players choose to not do the NK (therefore partnered with JoeBob, Barney, or Wylted… faking a successful defense), or both scum are among the active players and if scum targeted Wyited or Barney, the defense was successful… come to think of it, a mix of the two is also likely: one in and one out, with the one who is in doing their thing and attempting a night kill, and the one who is out having a passive power.
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Now off to go dance.
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@JoeBob
You should full full claim. If you already have, copy/paste to refresh everyone.
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Will probably go right back on it, but I've got several things to take care of.
unvote
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
This is ending in a no lynch unless we all work together to pile the votes on one target right now.
Since Joebob is on and can lend needed support, I suggest we murder Moozer.
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@JoeBob
Ctrl+F, enter your name, and see what everyone is saying.
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@JoeBob
Please defend yourself.
Also if alive tonight, giving the cube to Wyited is optional… Actually, not sure if it’s still passed if dead, but locking him in now is a safe bet.
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Oh everyone else, due to JoeBob and I having such similar roles, please don’t lynch anyone without confirming we’ve DMed the host (we lock in targets during the day before the hammer)
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@WyIted
Lynching JoeBob…
- He’s terrible at defending himself, so if town will be an easy mislynch later. Seriously, I shouldn’t have to be the one explaining the flavor connections between his powers and character.
- He is character confirmed due to the flavor text in the mod PM.
- His role follows the same pattern as mine. This could be scum having DP1 role cop abilities, or the host simply reusing some of his work for briefly popular items (Rubiks cubes and RSVLTS… Beanie Babies too had anyone submitted that).
- He could be a fake inventor as Pie keeps saying. I’d need to read up on Mr. Rubiks; but it’s plausible even if I’ve never seen that role.
- Likewise, I could be a fake inventor. Are shirts really an invention? Do they really kill people?
- The two of us could be a lazy scum team, agreeing on a gambit of claiming variants of the same role.
- I need to head to work, but lots of other possibilities
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@ILikePie5
@JoeBob
nothing even remotely related between a Rubix cube and doctor
It’s a commuter, via scrambling the locations of the pieces. Hence much of the issue with Mooney right now.
These roles share an uncomfortable number of aspects. No denying that.
As for the other problem, yes, we have a lot of protective roles in this game. Likely one of the mafia can strongman; that or something even better to make things balanced.
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@Moozer325
I’m not as confident of your guilt as Wylted, but it is a pretty big coincidence that out of nowhere you said commuter instead of vigilante, and commuter happens to be a power that ends up in play.
Plus the confusion on what day you’ll be town confirmed. It seems like it’s not a simple wait to tomorrow, but the day after… That’s a lot of faith you’re asking for.
If you’ve got a better theory on who is scum, please lay it out for us. In the mean time…
VTL Moozer
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@WyIted
I could have chosen to use a different power from the cube, but I used commuter. The power name is actually “Scramble!” In which you scramble the locations on the cube and likewise your own.
The other would have been pretty useful, but there was a high likelihood I’d be NKed, so best to use the protection.
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@WyIted
Looking back through JoeBob, this post stands out as his only mention of commuter yesterday… which was to kill a possible rival to his power; which if you can do without directly counter claiming, it’s best to do so.
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@Moozer325
What did you say to Wyited in the private chat to make him turn on you?
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@Moozer325
Don't see the purpose in lynching him today because if he is lying we just lynch him tomorrow.
Credit to Earth for that line.
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Reads:
- Wylted - Town/role-confired. Obviously I think he's town, and was the most likely NK target after myself, hence why I passed him my protective item (I did so after verifying the vigilante shot would survive for another night). While scum occasionally deny themselves the NK, it seems weird that they'd deny themselves two. As for the shirt disabling his actions, as scum he'd know there were no lethal actions headed his way. I don't know if he was actually turned vanilla, or was just using that as a reference to being 'roleblocked' by accepting the "red shirt." If actually targetted by a role stripping power, I first dislike that anyone was so fast to say it's scummy, but it is odd since the only way his vig would be a problem is if they thought he was going to target one of them...
- Barney - Scum, pure scum! As scummy as the Spanish Inquisition! https://youtu.be/vt0Y39eMvpI?si=_ntqdqQpEvYibd0Q
- IlikePie - lean-scum/role-confirmed. It's mainly a gut feeling. The speed at which he jumped to being role-blocked (or vanilla swirled) equals scum, gave me a bit of whiplash. And of course I'd bet money that he has more powers (anyone with one power is most likely lying in this game).
- Joebob - Town/role-confirmed. Had been someone I'm ok with lynching, but with no NK and me being on of two people protected (and I've played plenty of games with more than one protective role) makes me favor him... Now to get back to playing with this box... https://screenrant.com/hellraiser-2022-puzzle-box-lament-configurations/
- Casey - null/null. A big cup of null; so someone I'd be ok lynching (not that I want to, merely part of the lynch pile)
- Moozer - scum/unconfirmed. It's a believable claim, but I don't believe it due to how it's been used. Investigative roles are the most important, and giving that up for confirmation later in the game... An investigation can reveal someone as scum, which was worth so much more than 100% town confirmation.
- Lunatic - lean-town/unconfirmed. Not too much to go on, but I do like the bear and how the mod has handled it, plus the counting thing is not something I would expect from scum as it could lead to them getting lynched when more is revealed..
- Earth lean town/role-confirmed. Earth is always a blank slate to me, but the power is confirmed. I am trying to imagine it as a scum power, and not sure if it would be.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
Would both of you mind asking our host if your powers count as active?
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Player DP1 NP1. DP2. NP2
Wylted. passive used bp shirt and vanillaed? (worst time ever)
Barney. Wyited. Cube(commuted)
IlikePie. Lunatic(unvoteable)
Joebob Barney ???
Casey. N/A
Moozer. null
Lunatic n=5
Earth wylted/moozer
Wylted
"You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
Lynchproof (DP1, maybe more), + shirts from Barney
Barney
Shirt auction for kill, shift gift for protection.
RSVLTS + Cube from JoeBob
Pie
Donald Trump
Stop the steal! Prevents someone from being voted.
Joe bob
Erno Rubik
Cube. Multiple powers, thus far revealed that scrambling it causes a night as a commuter. (unknown if pin head shows up with the right combination)
Casey
Un Chien Andalou (AKA “An Andalusian Dog” a 1929 French/Spanish surrealist silent short film)
??? Something passive
Moozer
Bart Simpson
A bunch of powers, including innocent child DP3 if no others used? Otherwise can track, and a couple other things.
Lunatic
If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
Night action counter.
Earth
Rohirrim Charge at Pellonor Fields
Gets people to talk to each other (I'm sure he can describe it better).
Graveyard
Savant. stole vote from Earth
“Robin Hood” aka The Joker
Vote thief
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So looks like we're at 5, unless Lunatics and/or Earths powers don't count as an active one.
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@Earth
Why does Wyited think you've been recruited into the scum team?
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@Moozer325
I’ll admit that yesterday I had a good gut feeling about you.
You saying you have an investigative role and are actively choosing not to use it…
VTL Moozer
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I see a drama storm starting…
To limit the information available to scum, I fibbed (aka lied).
My role has two powers, to both kill and protect via items.
The fashionable shirt (red shirt as Wyited called it) is activated during any dayphase. Then during the nightphase the target may put it on or not, with donning it costing them any other active actions for the night as they’re too distracted by how good they look… but who could kill someone who looks that good? So it protects them against all lethal actions. It does not destroy items (so the vig shot is still available, just not on a night they’re protected).
The Rubik’s cube gives two options. The one I selected turned me into a commuter for the night.
JoeBob stating that it’s also a day phase ability, makes me trust him more. Plus I can’t think of any game where Mafia actually had a protective role.
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With the currently available information, Wyited or myself must have been the NK target.
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@ILikePie5
I definitely don’t trust Wylted
Our host would have to be a true bastard mod to make a lynchproof scum.
Why did you assume Lunatic would be a lynch target today? And why not yourself since we pretty well all agree that would all but town confirm you?
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@ILikePie5
First things first, Austin is bastard for making a townie vote thief. The role is insanely scummy. Public apology to Savant.
How so? While it can be scum, it is most often town (I thought this was covered to death already)
Plus even if it were to be most often a mafia role, that would not assure a bastard mod until the end game when balance can be properly reviewed.
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Dashboard
Player DP1 NP1. DP2. NP2
Wylted. Self. RBed
Barney. Wyited. Used item
IlikePie. ???
Joebob Protected Barney w/item
Casey. N/A
Moozer. ???
Lunatic
Earth
Wylted
"You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
Lynchproof (DP1, maybe more), vig NP1 (from auction)
Barney
Shirt auction
RSVLTS
Pie
Donald Trump
???
Joe bob
Erno Rubik
???
Casey
Un Chien Andalou (AKA “An Andalusian Dog” a 1929 French/Spanish surrealist silent short film)
??? Something passive
Moozer
Bart Simpson
???
Lunatic
If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
Night action count
Earth
Rohirrim Charge at Pellonor Fields
???
Graveyard
Savant. stole vote from Earth
“Robin Hood” aka The Joker
Vote thief
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@JoeBob
Barney can confirm me when he gets on
Correct. JoeBob protected me last night… well “someone” with a Rubiks Cube did. I figure it was either JoeBob, or BobJoe.
If not for that E, we could could randomize the order to BoJoB
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@WyIted
Do you know what the red shirt does? Just a yes or no answer please
Yes.
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Have I missed anyone? And I’ll be at a real computer in a little while to properly catch up and provide some reads.
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Player DP1 NP1. DP2. NP2
Wylted. Self
Barney. Wyited
Savant. Earth
IlikePie
Joebob
Casey
Moozer
Lunatic
Earth
Wylted
"You are a piece of shit for even asking me for my character claim, fuck you. Now I think you are scum and we should lynch you faggot."
Lynchproof (DP1, maybe more), vig NP1 (from auction)
Barney
Shirt auction
RSVLTS
Savant
Robin Hood
Vote thief
Pie
Donald Trump
???
Joe bob
Erno Rubik
???
Casey
Un Chien Andalou (AKA “An Andalusian Dog” a 1929 French/Spanish surrealist silent short film)
???
Moozer
Bart Simpson
???
Lunatic
If a Bear fart in the forest, and no one is a round to smell it, does it still stink?
???
Earth
Rohirrim Charge at Pellonor Fields
???
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@WyIted
I honestly thinking barney was scum he would've waited on this until he could better control who got the vig shot
I would have waited for later in the game, claiming it’s to be really sure who is town… or even that the power only activates DP3.
DP1 town outnumbers scum by the highest margin, so while there’s a good argument for DP2, DP1 seems like a good choice. Also drumming up activity and reads (I will post reads, just busy today).
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Savant
@Moozer325
We need more votes on the shirt to give Wyited the whale!
Wylted is lynchproof, therefore town.
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@Savant
Please clarify if vigilante shoots at day or night.
Just heard back, yes, it's nighttime.
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For flavor, the Kraken is what I picture the shirt to be:
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