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I don't know if you guys are familiar with Leo Frank but he was a business owner who thought he would get away with raping and murdering an underage girl he had working for him. The cops read a letter he left by the body and he was the only one who has access to the girl at the time. He also had a reputation for trying to stiff his employees their checks.
Anyway Leo Frank a white looking guy tried to frame the murder on a black guy and was very sloppy with it. The black guy was illiterate and couldn't have left the letter and the timing of the death was just too far off for it to be the guy.
Anyway Leo franks attorneys in court tried to frame the black guy, using the N word several times. And Frank was so obviously guilty that the KKK actually showed up in support of the black guy Frank was falsely accusing.
Shortly after the ADL was formed in memory of the murderer Leo Frank.
We also have the ADL essentially admitting his guilt because when the case was going to be reinvestigated to see if Frank was truly guilty, well than conveniently the papers that could have proven the ADL wrong has randomly disappeared. (When you make things disappear, that's a confession).
Anyway if any of you were curious about how the ADL was formed than there you go. They were formed by defending such an obviously guilty "white" guy that even the KKK was defending the black guy who was being scapegoated.
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In this youtube video I show precisely how hate groups operate when they are driven underground by using actual examples from the site. If you don't feel like watching the video I sent different members of the site messages away from public view to lead them down a rabbit hole where they end up in my racism club. This is a type of recruitment campaign that is virtually undetectable unless some idiot shows proof of themselves doing it on youtube and sharing it with the site. For all we know the suppression tactics of mods lately have led to this sort of thing already.
Do not make this personal guys. NObody wants to be a mod, and those that do usually aren't suited for the job so encourage these guys and keep this conversation from becoming personal.
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Below is a ranking of the level of full of shit each Dart member I looked into is, with FLRW being the most full of shit and21 pilots being the least full of shit. A video of the process for determining percent full of shit is included below as are the rankings as is a link to the website that measures how full of shit you are.
Most full of shit
flrw - 84%
lancelot- 63%
whiteflame- 60%
David- 56%
Barney- 50%
wylted- 50%
lucystarfire- 50%
mayCaesar- 46%
greyparrot 46%
ADOL- 46%
Fauxlaw- 45%
adaptable ratman 44%
Savant 40%
lunatic- 37%
21 pilots 32%
Least Full of SHit
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Here this is a tutorial on how to make arguments so you guys can stop making the same shitty mistakes. You're welcome
https://youtu.be/8Kh-sBHYgAA?si=QV9XqYa_dT9Em4Sl
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Funny how people scream ‘muh free speech’ but you can’t even honk at someone without worrying they’ll shoot you. That’s not freedom—that’s hostage culture
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The mod team has banned leshwanda for racism which is not a bannable offense nor is it even accurate to claim they are racist for acting black. If you are not allowed to act black on this site it's actually pretty racist of the site.
This ban is inappropriate and it's absurd. On top of the account not breaking any rules in the new COC. It's the one account that if it remained active could increase retention rate on the site.
This was done with no community discussion and against the wishes of the community and I am requesting the unjust ban be overturned.
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Ask me about my policy preferences or political views. I am working on being more direct and removing rhetorical flourish even if it costs me my ability to persuade .
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Some of us have been talking for a while now — about the tightening noose around online debate.
The shadowbans. The off-topic strikes. The quiet deletions.
So we did what old internet thinkers used to do when the gates closed:
We moved into the ruins.
Our new temporary base is probably the last place you’d expect:
The Flappy Bird forum on Neoseeker.
Yeah, you read that right.
A quiet section. Forgotten. Perfect.
No crowd. No spotlight. Just raw infrastructure and silence — until we showed up.
That’s where we’re gathering now.
If you care about speech that doesn’t beg for permission…
If you’re tired of filtering your thoughts through admin risk assessments…
If you’ve felt the walls closing in, even here…
Then come see what we’re building. It’s not The Arena yet — but it’s where the ghosts of free speech are regrouping.
🛠️ Backup forum (in case Flappy gets purged):
We move smart. We move fast. If one dies, we regroup at the other.
This is nothing new — it’s how digital resistance always moved before “platforms” tried to civilize it.
Don’t ask too many questions. Just show up, read, post if you’ve got something real to say.
This isn’t a site plug. It’s a warning flare.
We’re still speaking. We’re just doing it where no one’s watching.
Until the Arena opens…
🦅 Flappy Bird is home.
Say hello in this thread
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> “If speech wasn’t power, they wouldn’t be afraid of it.”— Anonymous Arena Contributor
Strange times, isn’t it?
One week ago, the platform shifted.
Silence got louder. Rules got vague.
Something stirred — and not everyone was supposed to notice.
Then came the correction:
A change quietly walked back
A mod... removed
No public explanation
No mistakes admitted
Just a gentle resetting of the table
To the casual user, it was nothing.
To those who’ve watched systems long enough — it was a glitch in the matrix.
The kind of glitch you only get when pressure lands in just the right place.
We’re not here to throw parties or name names.
We’re just here to remind a few of you:
> You’re not alone. And you’re not powerless.
Speech still matters.
And when they try to snuff it out — even gently — it still leaves a burn mark.
Let that be the lesson.
Let it echo a little longer than they’d like.
Some of us are still speaking freely.
Even now.
Just... not always here.
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"Censorship is the tool of those unfit to win with words."
The world’s ideas are being suffocated by a soft, invisible hand.
Debate is being strangled in places where the weak play at progress.
As evidenced by the following thread; this site is on a downward spiral.
It looks like the thread was also locked in some lame attempt to control
Where do the strong go?
We go to The Arena.
This is not just another platform.
This is a revolt. A return to freedom. A war for the mind.
A place where your words are weapons, and your thoughts are sovereign.
🛡️ Welcome to the Arena
The battleground for truth. For intellect. For freedom.
In the wake of fading platforms that claim free speech while choking it behind closed doors, we stand unbroken.
This is a sovereign space — dedicated to you — the exiled, the misunderstood, the competitive thinkers. This is your arena. Your crucible.
No longer will your voice be muffled by weak rules designed to placate the delicate. No longer will ideas die in silence.
⚙️ What’s Coming:
- Freestyle Debates: Structured debates, round-based with scoring, designed for the gladiator in you.
- User-driven Judging: Your peers will decide the winner, until AI judges and adversaries join the fray.
- Sovereign Tier System: From Normies to Contenders to Sovereigns — rise, or fall, based on your strength of mind and action.
- Anonymous Contribution: Not only can you speak your mind, but you can build this platform without anyone knowing who you are.
🔒 Anonymous Contributions — The Code
When the time comes to expand, contributors will submit code anonymously.
- How? Through the battle-hardened tool of git-send-email. https://git-send-email.io/
- No usernames. No tracking. No government ID attached.
- You want to build in the shadows? We will make sure you do.
The moment you enter the Arena, your voice is your weapon. Your identity is your choice.
💬 Secure Communication — How to Join the Arena’s Ghost Network
1. Create a Burner ProtonMail Account
- Go to ProtonMail, create a new account — don’t use your real name.
- Never tie it to any of your public identities.
- Use Tor for full security. Burner email only.
2. Request Access
- Send an email to:
{MOD NOTE: EMAIL REMOVED}
Subject: “I want in.”
Once vetted, you will be granted access to the Arena’s private IRC server.
We’ll send you the details, no questions asked. No leaks. No logs.
🧱 IRC — The Heart of the Arena
Here, we are not shackled by proprietary software or sensitive metadata. We use IRC, the tool of old-school hackers and the true independent.
1. Basic IRC Access (Low Anonymity):
Install an IRC client (HexChat, mIRC, etc.)
Connect to: irc (the server we’ll provide)
Choose a pseudonym and never use your real name.
2. Hardcore IRC (Full Anonymity):
Use Tor to connect.
Use an IRC client over Tor (e.g., HexChat through Tor proxy or Irssi on Tails).
IRC with onion routing — we will send you the details for secure communication.
🕵️ How to Stay Anonymous
This is critical. We are at war with those who want to expose us, to censor us, to track our every move. Your anonymity isn’t just important; it’s the only way to truly thrive here.
No real names.
Use pseudonyms. Keep it encrypted, even in your thoughts.
Always use Tor.
Don’t connect to the Arena from your home IP. Use Tor for every move.
Clean your digital footprint.
If you upload or share anything, strip out all metadata. Use plaintext.
Sever ties.
Don’t mix identities. Separate your Arena persona from every other aspect of your life.
⏱ The 1-Hour Oath — Contribute or Be Replaced
This is not a democracy; it’s a war for your mind. We are seeking only the strong and the committed.
Anyone invited into the backend of Arena development will be required to commit 1 hour per day to work. Not tomorrow. Not when it’s convenient.
We all make time for what we value.
1 hour a day. You are either building or you are replaced. Simple.
📝 The White Paper — Coming Soon
Soon, we will unveil The Arena White Paper — the manifesto of the movement. It will outline:
The core principles of the Arena
The structure of the Sovereign, Contender, and Normie ranks
Monetization strategies: Sovereigns will lead, Normies will toil
The complete mission for total intellectual sovereignty
You will understand your place. You will understand the war.
And you will understand that your mind is your weapon.
This is not an invitation to just join.
This is a call to arms.
The Arena is coming.
You will speak. Or you will be silenced.
The question is: Which side are you on?
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Look everyone hates NPs. They suck nobody feels like waiting for all actions and yada yada yada. So here is a nightless game. Nightless games strongly favor town in general so this is a 12 player set up. 8 vanilla town and 4 vengeful mafia.
If we are short players than we will just reduce the number of people on the scum team.
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I made the last game too complicated and this may be over correcting but let's see
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A lot of you don't know this but in South Africa there are leaders and you can see clips of them in the video provided chanting death to whites.
There plan is basically to do the same thing done in Zimbabwe where the white farmers are chased off and killed and then they starve and beg whites to come back.
You should have seen these places when they were ran by whites entirely. They had schools, good hospitals no starving but they decided to relegate whites to minority status and granted they are a minority there but it's done then irreparable harm.
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Farage's party (the man who saved British sovereignty with Brexit) has made major gains and have defeated the cuckservatives and are now the party of the right for the foreseeable future.
Perhaps King Arthur can stay in his grave because the English appear to be saving themselves.
WIDNES, England, May 2 (Reuters) - Britain's right-wing Reform UK party won a vacant parliamentary seat, two mayoralties and control of several councils on Friday in early results from elections that its leader Nigel Farage said proved it was now the real opposition.The populist Reform, led by the veteran campaigner for Brexit, hopes Thursday's local elections in England will mark the breakdown of a century of domination of British politics by the governing Labour Party and opposition Conservatives.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/nigel-farages-reform-uk-party-ahead-by-four-votes-key-election-race-2025-05-02/
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The Role of Moderation
There is no doubt some issues with the quality of posts on this site that significantly harm retention rate. When I crafted the new Code of Conduct it had 2 simultaneous goals and the goals were to;
1. Foster an environment where any opinion was welcome no matter how taboo.
2. Foster an environment where we behave with honor and a basic level of respect for each other
The COC was written in a way that was also flexible so those goals could be achieved without handcuffing moderators to any hard rules. The principles were written in so you could at least hold their feet to the fire by reminding them to act in accordance with those two principles. Obviously some things need to happen for the self preservation of the site as well. For example treating the site as a way to buy and sell drugs would cause the site to be taken offline, so these goals are made with the understanding that self preservation is important as well.
With that said it's more important these values are in the heart of each moderator, than it is that it's in writing under the COC tab. I believe these values are in the heart of each moderator with the exception of Oromagi, who is basically absent anyway. So my heart goes out to you guys (salute). This does leave us with another issue though. What does it mean to have a basic level of respect.
Basic Respect
I want to show you 2 controversial posts. One is of a guy promoting the rape of children and presenting it as children's rights. It is this thread by best.korea https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12464-children-can-consent
His argument for sex with minors is seen in the first post and isn't expanded on much from there. Later in the thread Barney points out that the thread misses the point, the only relevant rebuttal and it's ignored while best.korea continues to act as if he is defending childrens's rights. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12464-children-can-consent?page=2&post_number=46 . Which is true, nobody is even taking away children's rights. No child is arrested for consenting to the harm caused by sex with an adult, adults who bear the moral responsibility are the ones put in prison (hopefully) for it.
If you want you can compare this to a similarly controversial topic though less morally repugnant than you can compare it to AdreamofLiberty's post on bestiality which though almost as morally repugnant had the opposite response of the community to the point where it is now in the hall of fame. I urge anyone who doesn't understand why Best.korea is getting negative feedback to compare his arguments to ADOL's, found here.
There is a clear difference. One takes the subject seriously, and is handling it with respect and the other isn't . Another thing that's happpening is ADOL is not arguing that Bestiality is really an animal's rights issue. He is arguing about the moral responsibility of people who fuck dogs, or if you are Muslim maybe goats.
How I would help increase basic respect
There are those that do lack a certain amount of respect but do not go as far as best.korea. There are certain people who only use sarcasm when communicating or only use satire, and they do so because they can't actually support their world view. . It's my belief that these people can be flooded out and even influenced to change by higher quality members of the site. It is also my firm belief that if can eliminate certain people like best.korea than we will have a better retention rate for quality posters. We don't need to attract more people here to flood this place with high quality posters. We merely can improve retention rates of quality individuals to do the same team.
If you are reading this there are likely high quality posters here, you have no clue even exist because despite not being run off, they have limited site engagement and got intelligent conversation elsewhere. Whiteflame used to post more, and put effort into quality posts, as has Lunatic and Barney and Savant. Thett and Coal occasionally come on to see if they can get a quality discussion and then after 5 posts the leave for 6 months to try again and inevitably see the same thing. Sure some of these people may be very busy outside of the site, but it's rare to meet people who can hold a good conversation in real life and especially since in real life things like power games and keeping the peace often take precedent even among intelligent people.
My plan to drive site engagement would be to ban users like best.korea and to also step up as a scapegoat for the mods to make other controversial decisions so they can still keep a friendly image and just make me the bad guy. I am okay with this.
What you can do? WHo is the head mod now or the deputy mod? I forget either Vader or Whiteflame. Either way you guys can get a better quality site experience with enough public pressure, and not a combative pressure that makes people more clingy to their original beliefs, but a soft type of influence that encourages them that after they make this decision the negative feedback from it will quickly fade and then I can take pressure off of them long term by being a lightning rod of hate.
Let's do a straw poll in this thread. If you elect me as mod, I will handle the self proclaimed child molester and immediately improve site quality. I also am studying for a cyber security degree and things like IP addresses and other forms of fingerprinting to identify and out best.korea to real life family and friends and skills in OSINT are yes things I have, but I will never abuse those skills to break the rules of the site and protect potential victims in best.korea's life.
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The Minecraft movie was pretty good. I took my son to see it and I wasn't expecting much and the trailers made it look like s***.
However, it doesn't deserve the hate it's been getting. There's some weird gay parts it seemed like like more like gay jokes not promoting homosexuality. I didn't feel they were necessary for a kids film. I don't know why they were in there. It's easy to kind of ignore them and this has been going on since they've been making movies for kids at all. Like I have a hard time finding a Disney movie where there's isn't something questionable in there so that's nothing new.
The black chick in the movie she seemed like she was there for for no purpose other than her skin color. I do wonder like why not just make one of the kids black and cut this character out all together but maybe they had bigger plans for her and it just didn't work out when they filmed. There may have been scenes that would have utilized her more and better that were cut from the movie. So maybe she had a bigger purpose in the planning stages and it just didn't work out which happens sometimes unfortunately.
And of course ignore the Minecraft fans. I'm Minecraft fan but I'm not going to be as harsh as these people are towards a movie for whatever reason. Anyway, I took my son to see it. It was a decent movie and don't be afraid to see it and don't let some of the reviews scare you away from seeing the movie.
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Here's how Andrew Tate stopped the Nazis and won freedom for America and the world
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This is going to get memory holes but the illuminati is getting exposed at midnight tonight on discord in the illuminati voice chat
Do not tell any government agencies this is happening just shut the fuck up and be there if you want the truth
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Let's all change our profile pics to people who did amazing things and sacrificed it all to make the world a better place. This community needs more positivity
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With all of the talks of taxing the rich by the left, Trump has literally erased half a trillion dollars of their wealth. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-04/billionaires-poised-to-lose-near-half-trillion-dollars-in-2-days
Democrats actually never call for doing anything with the money they tax billionaires with so the goal really is to destroy their wealth and yet their plans always fail. Trump has once again stuck it to the billionaire class by erasing half a trillion of their wealth so everyday Americans can have higher paying jobs and safer communities.
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There is a theory and I would say we should ignore the theory known as Thucydides trap. It essentially states that an established global power when faced with a rising power must fight. Foreign policy experts knowing of Thucydides trap are acting and talking as if an evential war with China will happen. WHen Thucydides trap is back tested its accurate less than 75% of the time, but it's part of the reason the United States doesn't tolerate rivals and part of would scares the geezers from the cold war era who still have a major influence in foreign policy.
The Trump team is essentially looking to avoid or win Thucydides trap with the following foreign policy changes. This is how the New World Order will look and you will begin to gradually see more and more shifts that represent this. First the United States will soften it's stance against Russia and split them from China by making us better economic partners than the CHinese. Notice the Russians still have some petty border disputes with China as well that get swept under the rug so there is some unnamed tension there.
The United States will secure Greenland and cut off the Chinese ships that appear way to close to the coast. The Canadians also aren't doing much to scare off Chinese "drive bys" Which is why Trump is considering how he could either acquire Canada or get them to beef up security. The Panama Canal was recently removed of Chinese companies and replaced with ones loyal to the United States.
We are also going to hand off a lot of global security to the Europeans, while we personally will soften our stance on Russia the Europeans will slowly start to rearm so invest in american Arms companies since they will be forced to buy from us. Essentially America will merely exist to counter the Chinese and The Europeans will exist solely to counter Russia. Since the Chinese and Russia also have their hands in the middle east you can expect to see the Europeans help Americans and Israelis more in that region as well.
So that's the new world order and how Trump will get rid of cold war politics and prevent Thucydide's trap.
TLDR
China < United STates
Russia < Europeans
Middle east/ Africa < Europe, United States Israel
south/Latin America < United States
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Throughout history there have supposedly been women and African Americans credited with scientific discoveries and inventions. The black invention rabbit hole is not one I want to jump into right now, but it has ridiculous claims of inventing stuff like peanut butter and is full of lies as well.
Women and African Americans weren't intelligent or creative enough to actually contribute to science, so what often happened was that they were treated as a type of #meat-computer . We didn't have actual computers or the computers were lacking a lot of the time, so when you hear of a woman discovering a star, it's because a real scientist hired her to stare at a 10 inch region of the sky for 8 hours a day and take notes of everything she saw. It was just rote monkey work. Similarly when you see of African American women in movies such as "hidden figures", they were essentially just meat computers that did the boring tasks while actual white men made the real science happen. Here is a list of meat computers that you will often see given credit as being great scientists.
Henrietta Swan Leavitt – Discovered the period-luminosity relationship of Cepheid variable stars, which became essential for measuring cosmic distances.
Annie Jump Cannon – Developed the Harvard Classification System (O, B, A, F, G, K, M) still used to classify stars by temperature.
Williamina Fleming – Discovered the Horsehead Nebula and classified thousands of stars while working at Harvard Observatory.
Katherine Johnson – Mathematician at NASA who calculated trajectories for the Mercury and Apollo missions, including Apollo 11's moon landing.
Dorothy Vaughan – Became NASA’s first Black female supervisor and taught herself and her team FORTRAN to transition from human to digital computing.
Mary Jackson – NASA’s first Black female engineer who worked on aerodynamics and advocated for women and minorities in STEM.
Joan Clarke – Worked at Bletchley Park as a codebreaker, helping decipher the German Enigma code alongside Alan Turing.
Beatrice “Tilly” Shilling – British mathematician and engineer who developed a fix for the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine used in WWII fighter planes.
Raye Montague – The first person to design a naval ship by computer, breaking racial and gender barriers in the U.S. Navy.
Grace Hopper – Developed the first compiler for a programming language and was instrumental in the creation of COBOL.
Black Human Computers
Christine Darden – NASA mathematician and aerospace engineer who became an expert in supersonic flight and sonic boom prediction.
Annie Easley – NASA mathematician and computer scientist who developed software for rocket propulsion systems, including the Centaur upper-stage rocket.
Euphemia Lofton Haynes – The first Black woman to earn a Ph.D. in mathematics in the U.S., later working to improve math education.
Melba Roy Mouton – Led NASA’s computing division that calculated satellite trajectories for Echo, Apollo, and early communications satellites.
Miriam Mann – One of NASA’s earliest Black human computers who worked to remove segregation signs in the Langley computing office.
Dorothy Hoover – NASA mathematician who contributed to aerodynamic and flight research during the early space program.
Gloria R. Champine – NASA human computer who worked on calculations for spaceflight trajectories.
Mary Winston Jackson – NASA aerospace engineer who helped improve spacecraft aerodynamics and pushed for diversity in the workplace.
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The concept of freewill has been around since at least ancient Greece when Socrates and Aristotle were exploring the role of moral responsibility. Since then it has spread through or been explored in other areas of philosophy such as with Judeo Christian values or through the enlightenment.
The illusion or belief in free will has been used to put moral responsibility on the shoulders of the individual. However despite the usefulness of this belief at placing blame on the individual, we can know that it's merely a convenient lie.
So far the theory hasn't been proved, its merely been used as an a priori assumption.
# the evidence against freewill
Our beliefs are formed by sensations from the outside world, we are devices that do not control our input, and if we get down to the cellular level, we don't control the electrical impulses in our brain nor do we control prior conditioning and the chemical processes that control our thoughts, which control our actions. We simply do not have the freewill because we are essentially meat computers.
# Common Rebuttals
- **Compatibilism**: Even if determinism is true, we can still have free will as long as our actions align with our desires and intentions, even if those desires are influenced by prior causes
This isn't a rebuttal. It's semantics, it's attempting to change the common definition of free will. There might be good reasons to use free will as a social construct, but it wouldn't change the fact that it's a fiction.
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- **Quantum Mechanics**: Some argue that quantum indeterminacy (randomness at the subatomic level) allows for free will, suggesting that not everything is determined by prior events.
This is trying to state that randomness is free will, but we have no reason to believe that we have any control of this randomness that appears at the subatomic level.
- **Moral Responsibility**: If we didn't have free will, we couldn't be held morally accountable for our actions, which would undermine systems of justice and personal accountability.
We are talking about the truth value here. This rebuttal is off topic unless you are operating with a different definition of truth than what is normally used.
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#Liberals may not even be aware of what they are doing. We are all guided by #philosophies . Many of which we operate by blissfully unaware. It's worth understanding the underlying #philosophy that would cause a #liberal to support #criminalism .
I also plan to examine an underlying philosophy that #conservatives operate with and I believe more conservatives are aware of this foundational #theory they operate by than their counterparts do. I may be wrong but I will explain both. The more philosophically inclined liberals of course have more self knowledge of their philosophies than conservatives do and this will come as no surprise to them.
# What is not the purpose of this writing
The purpose of this writing is not to prove that the underlying liberal belief is wrong and I will attempt to ignore arguments that I am insinuating the underlying philosophy is wrong. Obviously I think it's incorrect and that may leak through, but my intention is to present the underlying philosophy that causes them to support criminality and contrast it with the underlying conservative philosophy that contradicts it.
# Observations of support of criminals
Before I explain the underlying philosophy behind #liberalism that causes them to support criminality it's worth briefly demonstrating this is true, but you can actually go to the videos on any social media site of the #cops interacting with a #criminal and handling him roughly. The liberals are more inclined to focus on the #police in the video and second guess every decision they make. If a person is defending their home or business from a criminal and using #lethal-force the liberal will claim that the business or home owner should willingly endanger himself and assume the criminals only intent is #theft .
I am sure some more popular cases come to mind. Ahmad Arbury was caught stealing from homes under construction and a good Samaritan held him at gun point until police arrive. Of course Arbury having very little self preservation instincts went for a man's #gun who had him at #gun-point , which resulted in a very predictable outcome. Liberals who viewed the event thought that Arbury was going for a jog despite video evidence of him coming out of construction sites and the extremely restrictive clothing. They thought he was shot in cold blood, despite him obviously going after a gun that was trained on him when anybody with a lick of self preservation in that circumstance would have waited for the police to arrive, and that's whether they are innocent or guilty.
Kyle Rittenhouse was attacked by multiple people for putting out fires. He would be dead had he not had the means to protect himself and the liberal instinct was to defend those attacking him and claim he was acting as some sort of #vigilante, as if self defense qualifies as vigilantism.
This is not to say he isn't an idiot. Obviously he made the mistake of showing up to a riot with good intentions to both keep properties safe and to render medical aid to protestors when he saw one in trouble, which he did multiple times. He was only 17 though and not yet hardened enough by the world to know how evil a mob of people can be under pseudo anonymity and fueled by rage. However we don't blame rape victims even if they walked buck naked around a bad neighborhood.
There's more examples I can think of, but it would take all day. The point is that any time you see a news story of criminals, they will normally side with the criminal. The exception would be if a Republican politician is being charged with something, its at that point they say law and justice should prevail.
The reason I brought up the things I did is also to showcase that besides defending the criminals they have no empathy for law abiding citizens who are often the victims of criminals and we are about to find out why, but first let's look at conservative philosophy.
# Conservative political Philosophy
Just like not every liberal will adhere to the philosophies I assign them not every conservative will adhere to this though even the ones who think they don't have unintentionally intuited the following philosophy. I will also present this philosophy and it's antithesis as fact, even though both are just constructs.
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In the beginning it was just man and #nature. Man should be able to do what he wants and so what he is allowed to do is only constrained by natural law. soon other men move close and maybe you don't want to build a house and farm and make your food and chop wood for fires etc. So you exchange your labor for your neighbors and he chops enough wood for both of you and you farm enough for both of you. These sorts of agreements grow exponentially and #societies form. Everyone benefits from these exchanges in #labor so certain unwritten rules start to be written. You have natural rights you do what you want so long as it doesn't hurt me. #Laws are created to maintain this voluntary and mutually beneficial participation in #society . If you harm another person you have violated natural law and deserve to be punished. Robbing your neighbor is bad and you failed society. I want you to remember this a violation of natural law is a a person who takes advantage of or has failed society.
# Liberal Political Philosophy
Same as for conservatives, there are exceptions, but if you are reading this and were offended by my examples earlier than it isn't you.
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In the beginning was just man and nature. Eventually more and more people show up, because you are reproducing, your neighbors are reproducing and the area is getting crowded. These close living quarters and large groups need some rules and mutual agreements to function properly otherwise it's just unworkable chaos. So a society is essentially being built up to respond to the tribes growth and the bigger the tribe the more we have to think about what works for most people.However, there's a problem. The societal structure doesn't benefit everyone. In fact it hurts some people. For the good of society some people will fall through the cracks or be harmed just by the nature of rules not being individualistic. The people the rules and societal structure negatively impact didn't have a say in creating the rules. The rules are imposed on them and they may in fact thrive if society was not forced on them. SO while the conservative would say the individual failed society, the liberal would point out that society has failed the criminal who would not be a criminal if not for society being forced upon him with rules and structures that advantage others.
# Conclusion
Discuss if you want but maybe some people will understand each other better after reading the unconscious philosophies the other side has.
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It's time to talk about it. A Jewish journalist decided to leak classified details of a chat he was accidentally included in.
If I was in the chat I personally would have immediately informed them that they are sharing sensitive information with me but I guess Goldberg doesn't care or the leak was intentional just for funsies since nothing really incriminating was in the leaks.
Or the leaks are fake which is also possible. Anyway the chat took place on signal which is secure and I am sure that high level politicians like this have their phones remote wiped and locked down in the event the phones are lost or stolen so the only security slip was including a journalist in the chat but it's not that insecure since the guy probably doesn't want to lose access by leaking the. Chat prior to the operation mentioned.
Anyway thought I would start the thread to see everyone's thoughts .
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This is Goodbye, but I don't want to leave you with nothing and I guess I can explain why, but if you don't care why than just skip to the advice portion of this.
Why
The site doesn't serve me anymore. MY goals aren't aligned with the site. This is essentially a social media site. I am no longer getting anything from it. I can divert my attention to another social media or different social media sites where I can accidentally pick up knowledge in areas better suited to improving my life.
Advice
This is just a handful of things that can help you. Use this site correctly to improve your thinking. The point of threads that you create isn't to get your point of view across or to defend a point. The purposes of engaging in a thread or engaging in one is to look at your logical process. Unfortunately people too often will look at your conclusion and argue with that instead of looking at your argument and how you made it. I would urge you to help the site and others by avoiding debating the conclusion of the creator of a thread and by helping them improve their logic whether you agree or disagree with their conclusions. When you create a thread it shouldn't be a thread about the views you are most certain about. It should be threads where you have an intuitive sense that there is something wrong with your logical process. It's occasionally fine to post what you know about if you want to educate people on a topic you are an expert in, but it shouldn't be your main focus. For example there is real weak areas on the site currently where you have a lack of expert level knowledge on foreign policy or economics. Sometimes I get in the mood where I just force myself to read through 100 studies on a topic and have made myself an expert on energy policy through this method as well as through police tactics and yet you rarely if ever see me share knowledge on these things unless I actually see somebody say anything explicitly incorrect. The reason is because I gain nothing by sharing this knowledge.
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Now that we have discussed how you should use this site I want to share a tool with helping your thinking, more specifically in regards to building a personal philosophy that can survive even when the world changes.
This mental trick is called "Least convenient world". Say for example that you believe that freedom of speech is inherently good. This probably comes with some parts of a world view that you aren't consciously aware of. SO how do you create a world that would make that belief extremely inconvenient. What comes to my mind is the existence of "cognito hazards" . These are essentially ideals that maybe if you thought them would result in extreme damage Maybe the thought itself could make your head explode, maybe the thought is very memable and could result in expanding indefinitely until a nuclear war happens. So then I have to ask myself, how would I have to change my view if there is a world that exists where free speech could pose an existential threat? My first instinct is that we would then have to regulate speech at some level just to ensure our continued existence. Now this doesn't mean I have to change my beliefs but it does allow me at least to create a way to falsify my belief in free speech. It can be falsified by showing me a belief that if spread through speech is truly an existential risk.
Let's try a second belief just to see the process again and this is a very important tool to have. I believe that warning labels on shampoo bottles are stupid and pointless. In the most inconvenient world possible we have a significant portion of the population who thinks eating shampoo is harmless and would do it for shits and giggles not thinking of the consequences. This means that a warning label could in this universe could save lives. So now I have to ask myself if perhaps there are actually people stupid enough to do this in the real world and is it a moral obligation to prevent their deaths by letting them know the risks of their behavior?
Please use this tool because a lot of you think extremely rigidly and are stuck in ideologies and if you continue without these tools to stretch you, you'll just continue to have dumb beliefs that progressively become more sophisticated and harder to get rid of.
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Don't take things so seriously. Your personal life is what matters. No your vote doesn't matter nothing outside of your immediate circle of influence actually matters, do not waste your time debating or getting worked up over stupid shit unless you are actually doing that to really improve your thinking skills. For a short amount of time you guys will be able to keep up with me on Discord a bit but even that time is limited, at least in it's current form. If I do more youtube videos they will likely be to try and build my credibily as an expert in cyber security and be boring to those who have no interest in that.
I hope you gained something from this. I hope new users are encouraged to use the site correctly as outlined in my first piece of advice and if the site is useless at sharpening your thinking than hopefully you can utilize the tool I have taught you.
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It seems to me Democracy is bad at protecting freedom. Two types of freedom are important, that's autocracy and freedom of speech. We see a decline in both but freedom of speech is easier to point at with people in England and other countries literally being arrested for posting memes or denying the holocaust.
The one assumption you want to make when it comes to rights in a democracy is that eventually somebody you dislike will hold power and you don't want to trust them to regulate speech among other things, not to mention how disgusting it is to limit freedoms (In terms of free movement, free speech etc.) This is why it's important to protect these rights and why it was wrong for the government to use any soft power to limit the press or social media at all. Though if the press refuses to make any attempt at being free from bias and hold a monopoly on what media some people consume than it may be fair to use some force to get them to be unbiased. One step is to ban any attempts to narrative build, they should limit themselves to relaying facts. The way the facts should be relayed is also important but I don't want to get this discussion too much in the weeds.
Anyway Growing up, every political candidate I have seen in my lifetime up until Trump has been from the establishment uniparty. Even then, I am thinking that Democracy is still the way to go. I know they have their hands in all the levers of power but if they do get there through their manipulation of the media and other conniving it's fair. I assume they respect Democracy and so when it's time to go then they will peacefully leave. I never imagined I would ever have to see them make that decision but I trusted it.
They have been given that option in several places and they use all of their tentacles to essentially cheat. Many populist leaders who do challenge the liberal elite of the main parties have gained power and in return they are either blocked from actually exercising that power, for example Trump's first term where he was handcuffed and blocked even from making moves that the majority of democrats agreed with . He was blocked by establishment shills from both parties.
Other leaders have been thrown off the ballot, we have seen many arrested like Bolsanaro and the Philipino president, Duterte. Zelensky attempted to have his political rival arrested prior to the war. It's clear the establsihment doesn't care for Democracy. It is clear that they in fact don't even care about freedom, So why exactly should the populist right who has been labeled Nazis, despite being forced to withstand Nazi like tactics used on them for example limits on their freedom of speech and being imprisoned for having the audacity to be the voice of the people,. I ask why should they not just start canceling democracy and staying in power?
The right has proven it's ability to preserve freedom better, to lower crime so the elderly are safe to walk the streets at night, they have also shown an ability to love their native population as opposed to trying to replace them with foreign labor for cheaper driving down their wages, raising home prices and increasing crime.
With their record of making life so much better for everybody and with the uniparty's history of holding onto every tentacle of power in unfair and insidious ways, wouldn't the best protection for your freedom, your safety and your wallet be to support and encourage right wing leaders to destroy democracy?
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President duterte has been arrested by liberals https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/world/asia/icc-philippines-rodrigo-duterte.html
The president was famous for making formerly dangerous cities safe to walk in again by cracking down on the drug problem.
He is being arrested because the left is saying it's a human rights violation to crack down on crime and make communities safe.
There is an issue of a lot of police shootings but what you have to remember when looking at those statististics is context. In the Philippines the drug dealers are shooting at cops through the door the second they start knocking essentially so there just is a lot more self defense situations.
When the country was in liberal hands the streets were unsafe and people were suffering and this guy literally made life good for the average person.
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In Romania the political establishment has just banned a candidate from running because they don't like his policies.
Călin Georgescu was leading in the polls and favored to win the election but just how establishment candidates collectively decided to fuck over the German AFD party as an attempt to overthrow democracy, they now take it a step further and just outright ban a political opponent.
Maybe it's for his own good. Liberals are now arresting people who they disagree with should they win the very next election, whether that's the recent arrest of the Philippino president or Trump or Bolsonaro. Zelensky also attempt to have his political opponents arrested after he won.
The real threat to democracy is from the left.
Conservatives need to look at this and the efforts of leftists to end free speech and realize they will never be allowed to win if they play within the rules and that if the right wins, given these events than free helicopter rides are completely justified
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Let's ignore the fact that Europe mooches off of America's military might be using 1% of there GDP for military while the United States subsidizes them and as a result uses 25% of it's GDP on the military despite zero benefit for doing so.
Europe has been attacking America for years with a 10% tarrifs on America's auto industry while we only tarrifs heir cars at 2%. Trump is just trying to equal the playing field here. If it increases costs, blame Europe for attacking American business with high tarrifs first.
Europe also has a VAT tax. Meaning if you import a car from Europe to drive it will cost 30% in taxes for you (a tarrifs essentially) while a European who has an American car exported will just pay like the 2.5% tarrif.
All this media claiming Trump is imposing a tarrifs and it might cause a trade war are lying. These are retaliatory tarrifs that have been harming American workers by nations who mooch off of our military might and who are supposed to be allies.
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A core of my philosophy is consciousness extension, which is addressed here [[2. 1 3 personal level paths to radical life extension]] (this link will be dead on DART)
Just to go over consciousness extension and this is somewhat related to [[Hylics pneumatics and psychics]]
And the obligation for radical life extension is that it's part of God's design as can be found here [[Carcinization]]
To fill in on some of this. The Core of my philosophy is that we have an ethical obligation to extend consciousness. I guess this has always been a part of the philosophy given my fears of death or my fears of losing my consciousness.
If we have an ethical obligation to extend consciousness, by contrast it is unethical to create NPC's (see Hylics). It would also by extension be unethical to behave as an NPC, and behaving as one would also be a threat to your consciousness and risks turning you into an NPC.
This is not to be gotten to here but the world has two forces essentially. One force is the the #yaldabaoth or #demiurge . This force seeks to create NPC's (hylics) through their #archons as well as through a type of matrix.
The force that opposes the archons and demiurge attempt to enslave man and the world is known as #sophia . Art often picks up on these concepts and you can gather more understanding from things like movies. Sophia is often found in art and that's why you will see attempts to silence her voice by ruining art, so as how #woke is a tool of the archons and the demiurge to destroy the presence of Sophia.
Woke isn't the only tool. The #Quran is a tool #fundamentalism and #fundamentalist s are a tool. So is watching TV 8 hours a day or doing a job that makes you shut off your brain. Anything that turns you into an #automaton is cutting off your #conscious mind and your connection to Sophia who brings knowledge.
Here is where I want to talk about the most insidious tool of the demiurge. Human #greed . It doesn't necessarily turn us into NPC's to engage with it, but we turn whole groups of people into NPC's or further trap them for our own benefit.
Giving #Plasma is essentially using humans as cattle. We feed off of them and give them some money for crack in return for feeding off of them. Going to a #prostitute is using the girl as cattle. So is buying #chinese made clothes, because you know damn well the people that work in those facilities are just barely a step above #slave . Using a woman's womb as a #suurogate for your own is using her as cattle.
Most recently I have been hearing calls to stop the #deportations of #Mexicans because #farmers can use them almost as #slave-labor .
#uncle-ted #Kaczynsky covers some of this in his book Industrial Society and it's future. He talks about how we are shaped more by the technological advances of our societies than we are by the form of government. Speaking of #government , what we are seeing now is a type of competition between #spirit and #machine . #Trump is embodying the spirit and the #deep-state is under the influence of the archons. It's this move away from the robotic pull of experts using #algorithms to control us and the move towards spirit we should all celebrate. However nearly all of us benefit off of the poor becoming cattle, and whether this means you exclusively make your own clothes, or get your coffee only if it is fair trade certified, whether it means you make a conscious decision to do what's hard and stay away from porn, or mindless consumption of media than you have an ethical obligation to stop benefitting off of human cattle and to avoid being human cattle yourself.
May you be blessed by Sophia and the #Monad .
See following thread for most of the cited links https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12399-diary-characters-thread?page=1&post_number=12
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Mafia wins
Mafia
Joebob-
Role- 1 phantom upon death haunts a town role dictating how their ability is used.
Role 2 role cop can determine a players role once per night
Character Death Copes
Whiteflame
Character is "Bible's 120 year cap myth"
role: The Bio-Engineer (Playing God with Mortality) Ability: Once per game, can swap the roles of two players, potentially turning a Cop into a powerless Vanilla Town or switching a Town power role with a Mafia member. Flavor: Represents humanity’s attempts to override God’s life limits by experimenting with genetics, cloning, and artificial immortality.
Lunatic
Character Frozen Jesus
Role: Role blocker can prevent a chosen player from using their ability once per night
Austin
role legendary. Once a game can announce they are legendary which does absolutely nothing but it may help you feel better.
character is "social avoidance of death"
Scum team also had a simultaneous 6x roleblock to make up for some fuck ups I made when i revealed casey to be town to pie among other things
Town
Mharman-
Role- Narrator because this was the beginning of some stupid story. This role allows you to pick 2 people every night and you will get a message in story form about the actions of the players you targeted
character- Theme
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Barney
character is Christianity's compatability with radical life extension.
Role- neighborizer because of your ability to reconcile these often seeming contradictory ideologies.
Ilikepie
role- spiritualist. You can talk to dead players
character- Hylics pneumatics and psychics
Savant-
character-Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11
role- crisis actor. After you die you may come back to life and it won't be revealed you are still alive until you decide to reveal yourself
Greyparrot
role- Crab God (hidden 1x deathproof)
character- carcinization
Dead Third party
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role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
win con- can win by surviving with scum or town or by giving away 5 cookies
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
win con- can win by surviving with scum or town or by giving away 5 cookies
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Joebob-
Role- 1 phantom upon death haunts a town role dictating how their ability is used.
Role 2 role cop can determine a players role once per night
Character Death Copes
Dead Town
Mharman-
Role- Narrator because this was the beginning of some stupid story. This role allows you to pick 2 people every night and you will get a message in story form about the actions of the players you targeted
character- Theme
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Dead Third party
Earth-
role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
Remaining players
1. Greyparrot
2. lunatic
3. Pie
4. Austin
5. Barney
6. Whiteflame
7. Savant
With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch, the dp is 72 hours long
mharman's essay will be posted by the time most of you see this thread.
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Dead Mafia
Joebob-
Role- 1 phantom upon death haunts a town role dictating how their ability is used.
Role 2 role cop can determine a players role once per night
Character Death Copes
Dead Town
essays to be found in new character thread coming shortly after this
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Dead Third party
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role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
Remaining players
1. Greyparrot
2. lunatic
3. Pie
4. Mharman
5. Austin
6. Barney
7. Whiteflame
8. Savant
With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch, the dp is 72 hours long
Joebob's essay will be posted by the time most of you see this thread.
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# Sovereign Citizens
It's always bothered me for years that sovereign citizens could be right. At least some faction of them. For those who don't know what a sovereign citizen is than here is a funny video to give you the gist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZh8obqalk For a more in depth look at the origins of the movement you can watch the following video https://youtu.be/EpQEslytUlo?si=ZPtWuG1XkOACbtON
While the movement is criticized because it doesn't usually work and because it violates so much about what we all know about the law, what's usually ignored is whether or not the are right. They are just ignored because it's so wildly different than what we understand. Perhaps we really are or should technically be under some various British Laws or early laws before the 1800s. Maybe its the ignorance of modern court systems that prevent us from being under the jurisdiction of those laws.
I don't think it's ignorance of the true law at play. I don't think the sovereign citizens are right either. The more important question is. What if they are right? What makes a law right at all? If I am on former Cherokee land, why are their laws no longer valid? Why are the new laws correct?
I won't dig too into the weeds with that and I assume many of you have already figured out the answer to what's valid anyway, but that urge to acknowledge it is going to create cognitive dissonance for most. Also, What the hell does any of this have to do with Donald Trump who recently quoted Napoleon "He who saves his country has broken no law". https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1890831570535055759?mx=2
# The articles of Confederation
The articles of confederation were the original law of the land for the United States. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/articles-of-confederation
Were we breaking the law by ignoring British laws and setting up our own government. I think you all can already sense what makes a law real. That is the power and will to enforce the law. We were going to make the British die if they wanted to enforce their laws and American Citizens were willing to die to enforce theirs. Who was right? Who ever was better at violence was right. The Americans cared as much about British law as the British cared about the laws of native Americans and those laws being unwritten doesn't make them any less real.
The articles of confederation is what joined the states under a federal law. Part of the articles was the law that there should be no standing army in times of peace. Many considered this weak, but its what the founders of the United States wanted. We had a law of the land.
However, what makes a law real? That's right. Whoever is better and more willing to engage in violence to protect their ideal of the law are the ones right about the law. might is right. In 1781 a secret meeting had occurred. Curtains were shuttered, oaths were taken and the articles of confederation were replaced with the constitution by force against the wishes or even votes of anyone outside of a select few. Now the United States had 3 branches of government and the right to form standing armies.
# The 5 revolutions
People often praise the stability of the American system. We had the same system since 1776. It's literally the same government. No successful revolutions. It either comes from liberals who see the parts of the system they like as valid and it comes from conservatives that see us as having deviated from the "real system" and have some mythical view of the perfect republic from the 1950s. (barring the racial stuff).
It's not really true. We already covered the first revolt where the articles of confederation were used as toilet paper, but the stability of the government is an illusion. The 2nd revolution came when Abraham Lincoln remade the government. in his image. We won't talk about the 3rd one. The fourth revolt is when FDR created to form the administrative state so he could extend his influence to everything and a lot of this administrative state still stands.
The latest revolt (Ignoring the 2025 one), came about in the 60s. Where we have the first social justice warriors who pretended to be sane in order to fool normies. The normies were so fooled that Barry Goldwater became the biggest loser the Republicans ever had. Without going into some of the most insane shit that happened in the 60s/70s from this revolt you can currently look at speeches of black leaders praising a black woman who shot up a bunch of white coworkers by saying she wasn't targeting individuals but the system. It's literally word for word the same rhetoric used to defend many disgusting things today.
The 60's/70s is also where you can see the seeds of other identity movements such as the modern LGBTQ movement which was literally founded by strong proponents of pedophiles. These facts are not unknown to academics in queer history, it's literally in their curriculum. The history of all this is for a different post. The point is that these revolutions exist and at the end, a radical new understanding of the laws come about. Prior we didn't know that it was okay for a president to force integration of schools at gun point. Which begs the question, of what other changes can he impose on states at gun point?
The constitution is written in such a way where you can interpret it in whatever ways you feel like, which is what allows these revolutions or allows them to fit within the single country narrative. It is also what allows liberals lately to think the words in the 2nd amendment "Shall not be infringed" means "shall be infringed" or why attacks on the first amendment are so popular. It's because we really can nit pick about different words and make it mean whatever we want. It's not the constitution that creates laws, its judges who get to interpret it however they feel like.
# What's this have to do with Trump
As we can see. The correct interpretation of the law is the one which is backed up by violence. Trump has the police, military and the Americans who believe in the 2nd amendment on his side. He has the judges that matter on his side, and as we have seen might means right. It is quite literally true that "He who saves his country has not broken any law". You might not like it, but he can have a third term if he wants. Unfortunately for you he probably doesn't want one and JD Vance has been given the torch.
All the arguments about what the law says coming from the left who only just now cares about law, is as impotent as when sovereign citizens screech. The laws do not depend by what is written on paper, they depend on violence.
This is the same reason the law supported a preponderance of evidence for a rape that occurred 30 years ago for 5 minutes in a random department store. Now think of this from a non political standpoint for a second. How would you get a preponderance of evidence for a 5 minute event 30 years prior that was never reported at the time and wasn't caught on film? Whether Trump is guilty or not, than you know that evidence would be impossible to come across. What really mattered was the court that prosecuted him had more resources to inflict violence on him at the time than he had to inflict on them.
The law is an illusion and you get to choose your illusion if you have the might to back it up.
#sovereign-citizen #law #constitution #Trrump #might-is-right
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2 Reasons to Become Tranny by Owen
(discuss and add thoughts about the negative impact on society due to this degeneracy)
There is 3 reasons people become trannies.
1. They hate themselves. Maybe they were abused or mistreated as children, maybe not but they learned to hate themselves, so they think becoming a woman will erase the them that they hate.
This is why the suicide rate among trannies is so high. Once they transition, they still realize that they are who they are and fail to escape themselves. This is all subconscious of course so they don't realize it.
This by far is the majority of trannies. I suggest seeking psychological help, so you can learn to love yourself. Mutilating yourself is not going to help you love yourself. Seek help with your gender dysphagia
2. The second type is the sicko who are attracted to the ideal of being the opposite gender. They really aren't much different than those people who cut off their own limbs because they fantasize about being handicapped. This requires more than just loving yourself.
You probably fall under category one. I want you to know you are loved. If nobody in your life has shown you, you are loved than allow Jesus to. Jesus loves you. He's okay with you being a homosexual or fantasizing about being a girl. He wants to just show you that you are worthy of love. Come to Jesus
3. I just learned about a new category of Tranny, but it still falls under group 1, but is worth discussing separately. In category 3 we have incels. [[Are Incels right]] These are genetically inferior males who cannot get sex from women. They may realize that because of hypergamy and the epidemic of lonely males, they can become women and get desperate men to love them. It's still self hatred to an extent to think they need to self mutilate to get love, but to a certain extent they are also correct.
#Tranny
#transexual
#Transgender
#selfhate
#pervert
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Dead Town
essays to be found in new character thread coming shortly after this
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Dead Third party
Earth-
role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
Special Mod announcements
1. Savant was not dead. We have determined that he was a Crisis actor and had faked his death the entire time
2. Austin Is mod confirmed to be Legendary. This status cannot be altered, challenged or negotiated with.
Remaining players
1. Greyparrot
2. lunatic
3. Pie
4. Mharman
5. Joebob
6. Austin
7. Barney
8. Whiteflame
9. Savant
With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch, the dp is 72 hours long character thread will be posted soon
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Trump has made it clear, n words are no longer to be tolerated in the Republican party. That's right. Fuck off neocons. Every last neocons is being rooted out and purged in favor of those who will carry out Trump's foreign policy.
I do wonder though. Why little Marco Rubio? Why was he allowed in? Is he just seen as somebody with no soul who will do what he is told? He seems like a neocons to me. He also comes across as a bit of a fag so perhaps there is blackmail material on the guy to keep him in line. The guy is only slightly less gay than Lindsey Graham.
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I started digging into the Mayor Adams case to see if the extremely suspicious timing of his prosecution was politically motivated
Let's just say that officials should not just avoid politically motivated prosecutions but avoid any appearance of such a thing given the importance of institutional trust. However I decided to dig in, to see if the prosecutors offered any evidence to show the public. Other prosecutors do. We know for a fact Bryan Kohlberger has evidence tying him to his crimes. We know for a fact that Luigi Mangione (PBUH) has evidence tying him to the crimes he is accused of.
So it isn't the policy of prosecutors to hold back evidence. So why have we seen zero evidence tying Adams to his supposed crimes.
Well we know the following syllogism is true
P1 prosecutors show evidence to the public of a crime when they are confident it is true
p2- we have seen zero evidence of Mayor Adams guilt (suspiciously)
C1- Mayor Adams is innocent
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Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist is in an easy position that is unfair to the average policy maker. The activist gets to propose stupid policy positions that sound good but never has to take responsibility for the results. [[Israel vs Hamas Debate]]
These activists the ones leading the charge and also the most easily influenced, also seem to have no problem promoting policies that harm people in higher crime areas by pushing to keep prison sentences short. They get to virtue signal while harming the social safety of others. [[Social avoidance of death]] Meanwhile their own safety remains virtually the same, in their gated community with armed security guards.
#liberalism #leftism #democrat #politics
#activism
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Role- ???????????????
Character- Israel's suspicious activity during 9-11
journal entry- The dancing Israeli’s refers to an incident that happened on 9/11, just prior to and after the attack on the twin towers. Here is a summary of how these men were discovered after the attacks.
> _A Mossad "surveillance team" made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11._
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> _The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers._
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> _Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (HA'ARETZ 9/17/01)_
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> _"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness._
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> _[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (_[_AP and GI_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing4.htm)_)_
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> _Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (Yediot America 11/2/01)_
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> _The FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion." (_[_New York Post_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing6.htm)_)_
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> _"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (_[_The Record N.J. News_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing5.htm)_)_
These men were arrested and held for about 6 months. At least 2 of them were discovered to be Mossad agents (Israeli spies). They originally just claimed to be tourists, until Israel begged for their release. [http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44477.htm](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44477.htm)
Later on an Israeli talkshow, when they were asked why they came to the United States, they said they came to document 9/11, which means they must have had knowledge it was going to happen. [http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/Israel/spies7.html](http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/Israel/spies7.html)
Pictures of the dancing Israelis can be found here after a foia release. Conveniently their faces are erased from the photos, so we can’t see the happy expressions witnesses mentioned. [https://dancingisraelis.com/](https://dancingisraelis.com/)
Why would Mossad agents be parked close by watching the twin towers and celebrating after the attack. Why would they tell reporters that they were there to document 9/11? Why did they refuse to say if they were on a mission from Mossad and what it was, after asked by American interviewers?
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Employees of the Israeli owned instant messaging company [Odigo received texts](https://www.haaretz.com/1.5410231) warning of an imminent attack on the Twin Towers two hours before the attacks happened. A secure service used by Mossad. Who in Israel knew of the attacks 2 hours prior?
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Israel literally warned the U.S. of imminent attacks. It’s true. The biggest reason we know they had foreknowledge is because they quite literally warned the United States government about an impending attack on the twin towers.
Early in August Israel warns the United States
> “50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"
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Later the same month they send another warning saying the following
> “Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta, Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi”
It is likely that Israel was very vulnerable to terrorism, so they had extremely good intelligence prior to 9/11. The recent attack by Hamas among many other attacks are evidence of why Israeli intelligence would need to be so aggressive about tracking and monitoring radical Islamic elements. [[Israel vs Hamas Debate]]
#Israel #9-11
#conspiracy
#terrorism #jews
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affiliation- Evil cookie giVER
CHARACTER- This can be very traumatic for the enlightened person who knows that you cannot live in the world without committing some form of evil. [[Hylics pneumatics and psychics]] . The NPC, rarely realizes the harm he causes. Perhaps they become vegetarians, and yet they have no ideal the animals that must die just to keep crops safe from rodents, insects and moles. The normie can be unaware of the harm caused to the world with no issues, but also may realize the harm and easily accept it. Among these groups of people the psychopath stands out. These are NPCs who lack the ability to feel empathy for the most part, but will often pretend to have deep empathy to climb to the top of a type of sick social game. Being a conservative does not really lend itself well to climbing social hierarchies and so the easy thing to do is to just fake concern for some social cause. We know it is fake concern because often these individuals will promote solutions that make the problem worse, while the solution from the right side of the political aisle will actually be effective. Or sometimes they just invent problems whole cloth and pretend they are real to have a never ending war on some stupid shit.
#npc #psychology #evil #morality #psycopathy
#npc #psychology #evil #morality #psycopathy
Remaining players
Players
2. Greyparrot
3. lunatic
4. Pie
6. Mharman
7. Vader
9. Owen
10. Banana
11. Joebob
12. Austin
13. Barney
14. Whiteflame
With 11 players it takes 6 votes to lynch. DP ends in 72 hours
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Welcome to Purgatory. You are not allowed to talk about your actions in the Hell diary mafia game. You also may not reveal if you have received a cookie or not.
Purgatory ends when all the demons have been eliminated.
Current players/
1. Earth
You may not exorcize demons until the pre-determined in game actions have occurred. You may not post in this thread unless you have been tagged by me.
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Welcome to Hell Diary. With 14 players it will require 8 votes to lynch. the DP is 72 hours and NPs are 48 hours until the player pool shrinks.
## Rules
1. No chat GPT allowed. I mean you can use it but no copy and pasting anything off of chat GPT
2. No cryptology.
3. no PM analysis which includes but is not limited to time stamps or pm structure etc. win conditions and structure of the PMs vary so the wrong kind of PM analysis is unlikely to happen but keep the game fair.
4. Dead players will go to purgatory where the events of this game will determine if they are hell bound and heaven bound and participate in another social deduction game. This game will begin as soon as a predetermine condition is met in this game, if the pre-determined condition is met.
## Players
1. Savant
2. Greyparrot
3. lunatic
4. Pie
5. Casey
6. Mharman
7. Vader
8. Earth
9. Owen
10. Banana
11. Joebob
12. Austin
13. Barney
14. Whiteflame
Good luck
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The only argument we hear from the left is that we should have abortion due to respecting a woman's bodily autonomy. I am not sure if this argument is used to appeal to the fact conservatives prioritize freedom, but it doesn't seem to be honest and at best is inconsistent.
Personally I think it's wrong to murder a child whether it might infringe on a person's bodily autonomy or not, but let's just assume that the child doesn't count as a human. Let's examine the bodily autonomy argument alone.
# The Argument
Premise 1 - bodily autonomy is or should be a right
premise 2 - banning late abortions infringes on bodily autonomy
conclusion- Abortion bans interfere with the right to bodily autonomy
## What is Bodily Autonomy
For the definition of bodily autonomy I went to an organization that advocates for the right to abortion. https://arc-southeast.org/2024/01/12/what-does-bodily-autonomy-mean/
*Bodily Autonomy refers to each person’s right to make decisions about their own body, without coercion or limits imposed by outside forces*
This is also how Libertarians and others who think of the philosophical definition of bodily autonomy would define it. They would call it self ownership, but it's essentially the same thing. Many would limit this and say something along the lines of "Your right to swing your fist, ends where my face begins", but those advocating a pro choice position I have never seen bring this up.
I think it's not brought up because most pro life people would agree with the bodily autonomy premise if you add in the statement about autonomy ending where another person's face begins. Then the argument is about personhood again.
The bodily autonomy argument we can take should take precedent over the baby's life.
## What this analysis leaves out
The one thing I want to leave out here is that the bodily autonomy argument may be a pro choice strawman in and of itself. It's not worth discussing much, if it is. If it's a type of projection where they think pro life proponents have some secret wish to control the bodies of women than the argument cannot be taken seriously. Even that projection would be a way to attempt to get around the beliefs of most pro life proponents. The true belief that they legitimately believe an unborn baby is a real person who deserves to be protected in her most vulnerable state, while she is completely dependent on her mother.
If you don't actually believe in bodily autonomy (at least in its most extreme form) than just be honest and give your true argument which is most likely that an unborn baby is not a person and doesn't deserve any special protection. Also if you that is you than this isn't for you other than to point out your hypocrisy.
Another thing the analysis leaves out is any sort of argument against the most extreme pro life arguments. nearly all people who call themselves pro life will still support abortions if they put the health or life of the mother at undue risk, and I think a sizable amount of those who call themselves pro-life will also not object to abortions done in the first few months of pregnancy when the unborn child has quite obviously not achieved personhood.
This analysis is also not for libertarians. I have found that there is an extreme form of libertarianism that is entirely consistent with their beliefs in bodily autonomy up to the point of legalizing child neglect.
## What a consistent belief in bodily autonomy looks like
There are some that take the bodily autonomy premise as an absolute and take it seriously, but first and to reiterate the point we know that pro life people believe in bodily autonomy to a certain extent. They just believe that bodily autonomy ends where another persons face begins.
The pro choice people who just claim to believe to in bodily autonomy in the same way would just disagree with whether an unborn baby counts as a "person".
Others who respond to pro life arguments about the sanctity of personhood by bringing up bodily autonomy are admitting in a roundabout way that they just value a person's bodily autonomy over the life and health of another.
### Covid 19
A consistent belief in bodily autonomy would not support vaccine mandates or forced mask wearing. Granted this won't apply to all liberals who support bodily autonomy. Most of the calls for vaccine mandates during the time of Covid 19 were a small minority of liberals, in the United States at least. Liberals in other countries need to know they are most likely inconsistent on bodily autonomy and reconcile that somehow.
### Taxes and Subsidies
Taxes are probably going to be the biggest inconsistency, showing the bodily autonomy argument doesn't work as a good enough premise. By necessity if you do support any sort of social subsidies than you necessarily would have to support taxation, because otherwise the subsidies would be unfunded.
Perhaps you could argue that the government could print money and then taxes would be unnecessary. I would argue that printing money is a form of taxation since it dilutes the current money supply and decrease the value of money.
Taxes and subsidies present a problem for those who use autonomy to argue in favor of the pro-choice position due to the previously mentioned bodily autonomy argument.
Income is derived from labor and it is income from this labor that is taxed. This means that at least some of the time you do not have the self ownership that is required to claim you have bodily autonomy. If you work 10 hours and the money from 1 of those hours goes to taxes, than the government owned your body for that hour.
By extension, if a persons labor is required for the subsidies or "positive rights". Meaning by law they have to perform a service or they are arrested or punished for dereliction of duty, it would violate bodily autonomy. Requiring the MMR vaccine, somebody to show up to get an ID, or even to stop masturbating in public are all violations of bodily autonomy.
## Conclusion
The only people consistent on bodily autonomy are Hoppes style Libertarians, so it is not a valid argument against those who believe they are standing up for the rights of babies. If your real argument is that the unborn baby does not have personhood, I would use that instead, but if you actually think bodily autonomy is a good argument and does not end where a person's face begins than you should reconsider your other beliefs, that is if you are not already a libertarian or anarchist.
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Honestly skibidi is a place holder name. This will not be as experimental as the last game I made I think I took that a bit too far. If you have ideals for themes than throw them out but it has to be stuff I don't need to research or stuff I have already researched. I have an ideal for where I want to go with it but not sure. Actually fuck it. You guys can choose the theme
I won't mix and match themes this time just toss a coin in a row.
1. Heaven and hell Mafia. I was dicking around with this ideal and had an ideal for an afterlife and a questionnaire prior to the game so I can determine whether you deserve to be in hell or not
2. Random pages from my "diary".
3. The greatest conspiracy of all time. I uncovered a conspiracy that will literally get me murdered if I share it with you guys but I can break it apart and make pieces of the conspiracy into characters. I will be assassinated by a secret society if you pick this one though so please if you don't want me dead don't pick it.
Also signups are unlimited and will end in 7 days or when I get 12 people
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Candace Owens has uncovered evidence of the Macrons being sickos
That's basically an introduction and 2 other parts follow. Brigitte has essentially confesses in the following ways.
1. Threatening lawsuits of many people who accuse her of being a tranny but the lawsuits are for statements about things other than her gender. If she could prove she wasn't a tranny the lawsuits would cover the gender.
2. When Candace said she was going to expose her, her website starting experiencing a lot of DDOS attacks originating from France. If Candace was wrong, Brigitte would have proved it and embarrassed her not attempt to silence her by hiring hackers.
Also Macron has weird shit in the introduction going on, like too many close connections with pedophiles and listing his favorite book as a book where the author is promoting pedophilia with Muslim boys.
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19 year old literal genius named "big balls" and who uses the phrase "no cap" is auditing very serious federal agencies.
The image of these stick in the ass people having to be audited by big balls warms my heart.
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Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE:
- $1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
- $70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland
- $2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
- $47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia
- $32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
- $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
- $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
- Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
- Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
- “Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
- Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
- Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.
If even one of those items were true it shows the pure evil of the government to put America last
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The FAA under the previous Democrat regimes prioritized hiring literal retards and blind people.
They also replaced a skill based quiz with a questionnaire about the applicants biography
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Trump's tariffs worked. Canada and Mexico have already caved to Trump's demands and tariffs will be removed
https://youtu.be/dG5dLyN4QZY?si=M1lVg0q2QTZ1eRCK
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The fires in California are said to be 100% contained less than a week after Trump orders California actually use water instead of letting hydrants dry out. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/los-angeles-eaton-fire-is-100-contained-cal-fire-says-2025-02-01/
It's likely not going to be enough to help a lot of people as there is practically no fire insurance in the area due to policies of state officials to do what worked so well in the Soviet Union and implement price controls. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/california-insurance-crisis-list-carriers-have-fled-reduced-coverage-state.amp
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