liberals overturn an election because they didn't like the result

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In Romania the political establishment has just banned a candidate from running because they don't like his policies.


Călin Georgescu was leading in the polls and favored to win the election but just how establishment candidates collectively decided to fuck over the German AFD party as an attempt to overthrow democracy, they now take it a step further and just outright ban a political opponent.

Maybe it's for his own good. Liberals are now arresting people who they disagree with should they win the very next election, whether that's the recent arrest of the Philippino president or Trump or Bolsonaro. Zelensky also attempt to have his political opponents arrested after he won. 

The real threat to democracy is from the left. 

Conservatives need to look at this and the efforts of leftists to end free speech and realize they will never be allowed to win if they play within the rules and that if the right wins, given these events than free helicopter rides are completely justified
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They called the 2014 Maidan coup "Democracy."

That's all you really need to know about the EU.
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1. Popular uprising / revolution is not the same as coup.

2. ”Călin Georgescu was banned from running in Romania's 2025 presidential elections due to a legal decision from Romania's Supreme Court. The court ruled that Georgescu had been convicted of corruption-related offenses in the past, which, under Romanian law, made him ineligible to run for office.”
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Călin Georgescu was leading in the polls and favored to win the election but just how establishment candidates collectively decided to fuck over the German AFD party as an attempt to overthrow democracy, they now take it a step further and just outright ban a political opponent.
"Romanian far-right populist Calin Georgescu has been barred from participating in May's presidential election rerun by the country's Central Electoral Bureau (BEC), triggering clashes between his supporters and police.
Last year, Romania's constitutional court annulled November's first round of the vote - in which he came first - after intelligence revealed Russia had been involved in 800 TikTok accounts backing him.
The BEC rejected his candidacy on Sunday, saying it "doesn't meet the conditions of legality", as he "violated the very obligation to defend democracy"."

So, it seems that the BEC is concerned that Georgescu is the actual threat to democracy. To be fair, Georgescu has expressed admiration for literal dictatorships (Ion Antonescu) and literal fascist movements (Iron Guard) so...perhaps he might not be the biggest fan of democracy himself. 


The real threat to democracy is from the left. 

Conservatives need to look at this and the efforts of leftists to end free speech and realize they will never be allowed to win if they play within the rules and that if the right wins, given these events than free helicopter rides are completely justified
To be fair, it would seem that the actual calls to end democracy are coming from the right: Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, Balaji Srinivasan, Marc Andreessen, etc. All liberal-hating Conservatives. So, at best, it's a bi-partisan issue. 
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A distinction needs to be made with Germany because the AfD isn't banned from running and their recent electoral gains haven't been overturned. The established parties simply refuse to work with it, which is freedom of association. Granted, their whole party being under government surveillance is sketchy and authoritarian, but in any case the situation in Romania is a lot worse. If we fail to recognize varying degrees of badness our arguments will end up being muddled and we won't be taken as seriously, like what's currently happening on the left.
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Putin didn't follow his game plan, first you have to stack the Supreme Court, and then you can install a puppet President.

Don't worry, when he loses a foreign election, he usually has his minions attempt an insurrection. 




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Trump called the 2020 elections the Big Steal because he lost to Biden.
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Putin didn't follow his game plan, first you have to stack the Supreme Court, and then you can install a puppet President.

Don't worry, when he loses a foreign election, he usually has his minions attempt an insurrection.
So is it okay to ban popular political candidates from running against you?

If this is the case we should upport Trump canceling elections because zero candidates ever go without some foreign propaganda to support them. For example in 2016 Ukraine ran an influence campaign on favor of Clinton and Russia for Trump. So I guess we just ban both candidates? 

You would think that would make it Ralph nadar vs whoever the hell libertarians run but they probably will pick up foreign influence campaigns as well so then where do we go?
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There have been talks to ban the AFD but yes they haven't pulled the trigger it's just the uniparty becoming masks off and saying they will work together. 

This is good for the AFD actually assuming they aren't banned because usually the majority party blames the minority party for issues that occur but nobody will be able to blame the AFD for the uniparty continuing the bad policies that caused their rise to start with, so this could end up with bigger gains for the AFD
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To be fair, it would seem that the actual calls to end democracy are coming from the right: Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, Balaji Srinivasan, Marc Andreessen, etc. All liberal-hating Conservatives. So, at best, it's a bi-partisan issue.
At worst it seems like just talk from the right from unelected thought leaders who tend to have crazy ideals before they get filtered down to politicians anyway. By contrast the left is actually taking steps to end democracy when they disagree with results
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At worst it seems like just talk from the right from unelected thought leaders who tend to have crazy ideals before they get filtered down to politicians anyway. By contrast the left is actually taking steps to end democracy when they disagree with results
I mean, Trump and his followers never accepted the results of the 2020 election because he lost. 

And I can't find any prominent people on the left who are writing books and essays on how America can dismantle its democracy (but I can on the right). 
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The results of the 2020 election were odd. In most elections you have the results by midnight and this it didn't happen so it's natural to ask for some transparency there but no, nobody was actually trying to overturn an election.

You might not see the left writing about overturning democracy but they are actually active doing it, for example nobody wrote a book in Romania saying to overturn that election, the left just took action and erased Democracy there. Nobody wrote a book telling Zelensky to extend the war so he wouldn't have to run for reelection, he just did it. so you are correct, the left is not writing books about how to overturn elections, they're taking action.