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When it comes to discussing religion atheist shouldn't even be at the table they have no dog in the hunt, they have no cards in the game. Yet they feel the need to stick their noses in and give their opinion on something they don't even believe in. F*** them.
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@oromagi
Science is the alternative
Your own words you liar. Saying science is a worldview is like saying math is it's the dumbest f****** s*** I ever heard.
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@oromagi
Science and religion have nothing to do with one another. Science is not the alternative to religion there are plenty of theists who have no issues with science whatsoever, quit spreading this lie this is why people hate you all.
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This forum specifically is troll centered. Nothing special. There's no conversation, there's no dialogue and there's no debate everybody comes here (mods included), takes a s*** and walks away.
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@Bones
Not only that millions of miscarriages happen to people who were never part of the original club that the god worked with so because the Jews had a God that decided that it was okay to kill babies everybody has to lose their babies whether they're a Jew or not.
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@Lemming
That's why nobody says in jail waiting trial. They're innocent until guilty. Lol
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Until you can prove a god exists it doesn't matter what any god thinks about children, should have nothing to do with law.
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You can always take pregnancy tests off the market force people to go to a doctor like they used to have to.
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@ILikePie5
The case that I specifically mentioned is a real case that woman is dealing with that right now and the red state that she's in won't let her abort. They won't let her do any treatments. And I've sat and watched politicians ask why you would allow an abortion for an etopic pregnancy, why would you allow an abortion for a rape, why would you allow an abortion for someone that's 14 15 16 and been molested by a relative. The majority of pro-lifers do not want any exception they believe abortion is immoral and any and all times. I've never met anyone pro-life that believes there should be any reason for an exemption. Not a single one.
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The US manufacturer was shut down in January and has not complied with what it needed to do to open so I'm sure some of the ease on restrictions is so they can start producing again.
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@3RU7AL
I'm not saying you can't use the Old Testament for teaching lessons but you certainly should not be using the Old Testament to tell Christians how they should be practicing.
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@Lemming
Then don't I really don't give a s*** but there isn't anything about priesthood in the New Testament. And if you can find a Christian pastor that is following the recommendations from the Old Testament priesthood or are following how the rabbis live then good on you because you're not going to find it in most modern Christian churches.
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@Lemming
Well that's why most Christians don't live their own religion. It's also why most couldn't tell you anything about the Nicaea Council
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@Lemming
What about them they're for Jews. Jesus had two commandments again you have to separate them, Christianity is not Judaism. It's my understanding the whole purpose of the stories in the Old Testament are to prove Christ's lineage. But almost nothing Christ taught is in the Old Testament. It was just basically Rome taking Jewish mythology to establish their pick as a son of God.
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@Lemming
Old Testament and that would be for Rabbis, nothing in the New. There is a divide for a reason. If you want to discuss Christianity keep the Old Testament out of it.
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@Lemming
Rules of the priesthood are man or church made. There is no priest rules in the Bible.
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Or we could come up with real life scenarios that real people might face. Like a woman with two kids who is at sixteen weeks and can't get treatment for her brain blood clots cause treatment will hurt her unborn. Cause the fetus is more important than her living kids having mom.
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Can't prove Jesus existed but 100% proof he used pot oil and incense. LOL, deep religious discussion with this one.
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There was supposed to be some kind of MEEP about recalling mods I would assume that would include the president as well but that's never gone anywhere at this point.
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@3RU7AL
Here in the US hating someone for their religious or political beliefs is completely okay.
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Danielle's free to have that opinion. Very few if any states allow a late-term abortion because mother doesn't want the child. In most states there has to be some kind of risk to the mother to the fetus or there has to be some kind of medical condition that would leave the fetus compromised. The doctor that they found was doing late-term abortions for other reasons than that was incarcerated. There are very few women deciding at after 21 weeks that they just don't want to be a mother now and are having elective abortions at that point.
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Again we have a situation with the men aren't listening to what the women are saying because they think women are too stupid to make these decisions and to discuss these topics. But you know are about f****** women's bodies. Almost any late term abortion is being done because either the mothers at great risk or there's something seriously wrong with the fetus. Again these are situations where a woman is in the hospital talking to a doctor and they're trying to make what decision is best for them.
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@n8nrgim
Caitlyn Jenner is a trans female lesbian yes.
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No idea why anyone complains about the president or the mods not doing anything when they haven't been doing anything for years. What's that old saying the definition of a stupidity is to assume people that never do anything are going to start doing something.
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Look at the mods encouraging sexual harassment after saying that it's against policy go figure who knew they were all a bunch of lying pieces of crap. Whiteflame was supposed to delete the thread but he's a lazy piece of crap.
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@imdancin
And you making stuff up the people never said sickens my heart but who gives a crap we don't even know each other.
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The 3.5 thing was to realise we cant really know when it began in those cases, estimate by fetal development and period cycles (if she is honest)
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Women can't menstruate while pregnant but they certainly can have spotting and other bleeding that resembles a period which may lead them to believe that they are not pregnant. So you don't get to call women liars cuz you don't understand how they're f****** bodies work.
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Make abortion illegal, make women felons, felons can't vote, women can't vote.
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@Novice
There are reasons this site doesn't grow past the maybe 30- 40 people that post here on a regular basis.
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Nobody's going to war over a woman's issue. Women might protest women might quit doing things and might make it as difficult as possible but nobody's going to civil war over a woman's issue. I do think if we're going to establish that personhood begins at conception that child support should start immediately after a positive pregnancy test. And that any benefits from welfare that the woman's receiving she began receiving for the unborn child too. And none of those benefits are returnable if she miscarries. You want to make the unborn a person then everything that a child gets once it's born it should be getting as soon as it's conceived. And any child support that the father pays between conception and a possible miscarriage is not refundable.
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@TheUnderdog
Well part of the problem is that you think you should get the thing for everybody else.
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Feminist want women to have the same freedoms the men do. Men are free to have sex, men are free too not use birth control, men are free to fight parental responsibility or even not engage in it and just basically say take my money. As a feminist I believe women have the right to have sex when they want to, they have a right to use or not use birth control, and they have a right to decide not to be a parent if they end up pregnant. That could be in the form of the morning after pill, I could be in the form of the abortion pill, it could be in the form of a d&c. The idea that women should not have sex until they're ready to have a child is the most misogynist thing I could ever hear anyone say. Especially when they don't hold men to the same standard. The best thing to do when it comes to abortion is mind your own goddamn business. If a woman finds out she's pregnant she can discuss it with a doctor or someone at a clinic or whatever she chooses to do. She can choose to have a child and raise it, have the child adopt it out or not have the child. And that's how that should work considering she's the one that's the incubator. Any man that doesn't like the idea of a woman having an abortion or doesn't like the idea of having to pay for a child cuz they don't want to be a parent should get a reversible vasectomy. Cuz after decades of discussing abortion we still don't say anything about the other party which is the man it's time we start telling men you don't like abortion get a vasectomy if you don't like the idea of being a father get a vasectomy. People always tell the women not to put out that's the solution like somehow that's even reasonable like somehow it's who are all these men going to have sex with if it's okay for them to have sex and not women. It's asinine and it's time we start telling all parties you don't want abortion around everybody start getting protected. Don't want to be a parent or pay child support start protecting yourself. And the religious right needs to stay out of that conversation because they're the ones that don't want the conversation or the side effects.
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I am most at peace when there's quiet. I'm not saying it has to be sound free but just quiet. I don't even want the water to be babbling too loud. Birds chirping, light breeze, stretched out either in the grass or hammock with your eyes closed with the Sun hitting you and quiet.
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@TheUnderdog
What do I care if the left loves Bill Gates, Bill Gates is a piece of s***. I don't have a grudge against every millionaire. It's just that people get that way being shady as s***.
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@Lemming
It is a problem there's all kinds of problem populations when it comes to prisons. There are physically very weak people that might have to go to prison. Pregnant women. Law enforcement. Pedophiles. People that have aged in in the system and now need nursing home care we have a prison in the state just for nursing home patients. More than likely what would be needed or will become necessary or wings that would provide a safe environment for the trans population that doesn't involve PC. More than likely PC is where they're at now but PC is a population that's highly endangered and I don't think it's right to necessarily even have PC in the same prison walls because during riots one of the first thing that happens is PC inmates are murdered.
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@3RU7AL
He's too busy being a butt hurt d****** that doesn't understand the difference between saving a living child and treating a living child with like it has rights compared to an unborn child. Whatever bitterness he has to his mother he can get over it I don't want to hear about it his case is in everyone's case.
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@TheUnderdog
Bill Gates is a piece of human garbage. He's a thief and he's been responsible for people's deaths. And he is in more one occasion said that basically poor people are like cattle consuming the goods that the rich should be entitled to.
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My belief or feelings about a fetus is irrelevant. The dead or unborn do not ever outweigh the living. Whatever reason a person chooses to not carry their pregnancy to term is none of my business. And pro-choice people have done some of this to themselves by allowing these stipulations where if a woman's murdered and she's pregnant that counts as two crimes. That's where the line has gotten blurry and that's part of the reason why they've been allowed to get to this point on Roe v Wade. There are laws that dictate when a person is considered pass the point of meaningful recovery that you are allowed to terminate life support. My view on it is is that a woman is the life support for her unborn and if at any point she chooses to terminate that life support it's up to her. And this completely psychotic off the wall that means you think women should be allowed to hurt neglect or abuse their born children is complete and utter psychotic b******* especially from a man who never is going to have sex with a woman and produce a child. A born child immediately has the same rights as any other living person I don't believe in after birth abortion, I do not believe in abuse and neglect of children and actually did a job that worked on punishing people that did that. A job that also involved helping the juveniles that have been victims of that. So you can put on me whatever you want to but the fact is what someone chooses to do to their body is none of your f****** business. Whether it's a nose job, a boob job, to not seek treatment for disease or to have an abortion.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't give a s*** about what you have to about this or anybody else this is about women's f****** lives. All I have to do is a vote and make sure the person I vote for will make sure that women have the choice to not be forced to be mothers cuz they decided to have sex. It's not just some little topic that you want to discuss these are people's f****** whole existence.
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Subscribe to whatever hate based organization you want to, evangelical assholes. Force that moral responsibility that you think everybody else should live by on the others, evangelical assholes. Remember when people said gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married because people will want to marry children, you realize you're using that same argument by comparing unborn children to born children who have the right not to be abused cuz they're born people with rights protected by the Constitution, evangelical mindset assholes.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm not forcing anyone to have an abortion. I'm not forcing anyone to not have an abortion. My opinion is people should be able to talk to their doctor about medical procedures make a decision on their own. I don't know what f****** victim you're talking about because there isn't a victim in an abortion that's exactly my point. The pro-life position is that that woman will do what I have to say with her body whether she likes it or not because I don't like the decision she's making. Pro-choice doesn't tell anybody they have to do anything if you don't want an abortion don't f****** get one. So I don't know this I'm controlling people's lives by letting them have the choice unless of course you're talking about the goddamn unborn that isn't even a human being yet.
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Having worked in probation for 22 years and actually working with abused children I know the difference between an abused and neglected living child and one that isn't born yet. Another big difference never had a single person come through the office for abusing their unborn child. Know why cuz it's f****** stupid. But you keep making sure everybody has to live to your moral standard because you get to decide what everybody else gets to do with their f****** body and their f****** life . Rather be braindead than that a******. God damn Evangelical b*******.
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Why should anyone forgive your sins when you're willing to make a woman pay the rest of her life for having sex and getting pregnant? While you're saving for your daughter's education why not get her a miscarriage account that way if she should have one later her legal expenses will be covered.
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They are returning it to the States because they know the States will make it illegal because the states have already done that and the states have already started putting women in jail for miscarriages. Some states are considering passing legislation that if you get pregnant in their state they own your pregnancy. Anyone can preach whatever they want to about anything this comes down to a deep-seated hatred of women having any sort of power / authority in their life beyond that of a man and men do not what women to be able to control an abortion.
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If you argue against homosexuality between men because no one here ever brings up women it's because you think a man is acting less than a man. Then you think you should get to tell a man who feels like he has the wrong body that he can't do anything to try to live as physically as possible like a woman because it makes him less than a man. Then you want to tell women that they can't make decisions on what they can and can't do with their body when every day people remove clumps of living cells from their body called cancer. Do not then try to tell me that you don't find all of that a problem cuz you think women are less than you and they're less than that clump of God damn cells. And if you want to try to tell me that you think that way but that you don't hate women on some level you are a liar. It's no different than saying some other type of person is less than, nobody ever says if you're a bigot you don't hate POC. Nobody says if your anti-semitic you don't actually hate Jewish people. But you can continually talk about how the feminine and women are less than men in these situations but think you can say well I don't hate women. Bull crap.
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