I finally understand why Jews try to trick God

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it is fun to watch people jealous of Jews and Judaism invent fantasies to feed their delusions and sense of inferiority.

I hope that people who have any actual questions and recognize the need to learn instead of spewing stupidity will ask questions and create opportunities for intellectual advancement and growth.

Meanwhile, I will just watch insanity from the sidelines.
Jews bombing Palestinian civilians is basically a Judaism tenant. 
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a biblical concept spoken by Jesus in Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12; it is commonly referred to as the "Golden Rule." "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12).

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You clearly know nothing of either Judaism or middle east affairs. 
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You clearly know nothing of either Judaism or middle east affairs. 
At least 39,699 people have been killed and 91,722 wounded in Israel's war on Gaza. 40 percent killed were children. Nearly 15,000 other children in Gaza have been killed since the war began on Oct. 7, 2023, according to the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. "Gaza has become a graveyard for children, with thousands of others missing, their fates unknown," Stoner said.
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t's all effing nonsense Trade.
As delightful as always, eh Zed?

The fact is the Church is not anti-Jew. It's not pro-Jew either. 

You have your view. Good for you.  I hope it serves you well. 


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t's all effing nonsense Trade.
As delightful as always, eh Zed?

The fact is the Church is not anti-Jew. It's not pro-Jew either. 

You have your view. Good for you.  I hope it serves you well. 


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It is nice that you are familiar with hamas's claims. When you actually start to think for yourself, let me know. 
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Not anti-Jew, nor pro-Jew.

That's about the strength of it Trade.

A sensible person, rather than a non-sensible person, might suggest that it is best to be as tolerant as one can be under prevailing circumstances.

When people start adding various religious clubs into the mix, is when things have a tendency to get silly.

Sort of, I finally understand why a Middle Eastern religious club tried to trick a hypothetical creator.

Absolute non-sense Trade.
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It is nice that you are familiar with hamas's claims. When you actually start to think for yourself, let me know.

Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

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I'm happy to see that you have mastered the skill of cutting and pasting without attribution. Good work! 
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Not anti-Jew, nor pro-Jew.

That's about the strength of it Trade.

A sensible person, rather than a non-sensible person, might suggest that it is best to be as tolerant as one can be under prevailing circumstances.

When people start adding various religious clubs into the mix, is when things have a tendency to get silly.

Sort of, I finally understand why a Middle Eastern religious club tried to trick a hypothetical creator.

Absolute non-sense Trade.

To be frank, I have no idea what the point of that paragraph was about. 
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Such is theism Trade.

People made stuff up,

In response to something,

But as yet,

No one has a clue.

Though they make,

A flamboyant song and dance about it.

Such is non-sense.
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I'm happy to see that you have mastered the skill of cutting and pasting without attribution. Good work! 
If it is the truth what does it matter who said it.

“Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.”

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

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First, attribution is about intellectual integrity. Second, what you copied is opinion not fact so it's truth value cannot be assessed. Third, how is dumping a quote about Israel relevant in any current discussion? 
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First, attribution is about intellectual integrity. Second, what you copied is opinion not fact so its truth value cannot be assessed. Third, how is dumping a quote about Israel relevant in any current discussion? 
The topic is understanding why  Jews tried to trick God?
 Throughout their history the Jews thwarted every effort to make peace with their neighbours and even ignored the warnings of prophets. This can be seen in their treatment of Palestinian people.

“Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.”

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

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The topic is understanding why  Jews tried to trick God?
well, the claim is that Jews do try to trick God but, as has been shown, the claims about Judaism are wrong.
 Throughout their history the Jews thwarted every effort to make peace with their neighbours and even ignored the warnings of prophets. This can be seen in their treatment of Palestinian people.
So you somehow forget that Israel is not synonymous with Jews (or are you one of those who equates the two and therefore anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism). You also know very little about the treatment of any people in the mideast and you just rely on other people's opinions.

“Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.”

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

Just other people's opinions. Got it.
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well, the claim is that Jews do try to trick God but, as has been shown, the claims about Judaism are wrong.

The best the Jews could offer God was the removal of their foreskin symbolically represents such a sealing of the covenant. Reasons for biblical circumcision include to show off "patrilineal descent, sexual fertility, male initiation, cleansing of birth impurity, and dedication to God".

God was not tricked by this offer because the Muslims multiplied the offer by several thousand times. Killing of Muslims is the only way to reduce the number of foreskins offered by Muslims to maintain a competitive edge.

Throughout their history the Jews thwarted every effort to make peace with their neighbours and even ignored the warnings of prophets. This can be seen in their treatment of Palestinian people.
“Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.”

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

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The best the Jews could offer God was the removal of their foreskin symbolically represents such a sealing of the covenant.
why do you say that this is the "best the Jews could offer"? This was a commandment from God. If you don't like what God asks for, talk to God.
Reasons for biblical circumcision include to show off "patrilineal descent, sexual fertility, male initiation, cleansing of birth impurity, and dedication to God".
can you show me how circumcision shows off each of those things biblically? Betcha can't.

God was not tricked by this offer
tricked? He commanded it. See, if you begin with stupid, you end up with stupid. And, man, did you begin with stupid.

because the Muslims multiplied the offer by several thousand times. Killing of Muslims is the only way to reduce the number of foreskins offered by Muslims to maintain a competitive edge.
That is silly and I'm sure you know it. Or maybe you don't and you really think that there is some sort of bizarre foreskin competition going on in heaven. Either way, it is a stupid statement to make and yet you made it.

Throughout their history the Jews thwarted every effort to make peace with their neighbours and even ignored the warnings of prophets. This can be seen in their treatment of Palestinian people.
“Killing the peace: Israel assassinates chief negotiator across the table
Israel’s killing of Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh was designed not just to eliminate the top Palestinian negotiator in ceasefire talks but also the man most capable of unifying the disparate Palestinian factions in Gaza, the West Bank, and abroad.”

UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions
oh look, back to unattributed cutting and pasting.
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UN-backed commission says Israel committed 'war crimes, crimes against humanity' in Gaza since Oct. 7
Commission urges Israel to immediately stop its military operations and attacks in Gaza, including Rafah, calling for implementation of ICJ decisions

Did you see the attacks this was a response to? The evil and indiscriminate killing, torture and rape of men, of women, of children?

What do you think the response to that should be?

The only correct response is total eradication of the people who did it. Israel cannot help that these evil people use children as cannon fodder and women as shields.
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why do you say that this is the "best the Jews could offer"? This was a commandment from God. If you don't like what God asks for, talk to God.
Out of the 613 commandments  (mitzvot in Hebrew). The best the Jews could honour was circumcision, the shedding of the foreskin. According to the covenant, God would offer protection and land to Abraham and his descendants, but they must follow the path of God. God then commanded Abraham and his future generations to perform the ritual of circumcision (brit milah) as a symbol of the covenant.
can you show me how circumcision shows off each of those things biblically? Betcha can't.
It was all symbolic: Reasons for biblical circumcision include to show off "patrilineal descent, sexual fertility, male initiation, cleansing of birth impurity, and dedication to God".
tricked? He commanded it. See, if you begin with stupid, you end up with stupid. And, man, did you begin with stupid.
The Jews were ordered by God to follow 613 additional commandments to further improve their condition. The Jews were only successful in observing circumcision as history has proven. Even here they have been overtaken by Muslim in number performing Circumcision.
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Out of the 613 commandments  (mitzvot in Hebrew). The best the Jews could honour was circumcision, the shedding of the foreskin. According to the covenant, God would offer protection and land to Abraham and his descendants, but they must follow the path of God. God then commanded Abraham and his future generations to perform the ritual of circumcision (brit milah) as a symbol of the covenant.
"The best the Jews could honour"?
What does that even mean. Jews follow a whole lot more commandments than that. You really have no idea what you are saying. Now I know why you rely on empty cut and paste jobs.

It was all symbolic: Reasons for biblical circumcision include to show off "patrilineal descent, sexual fertility, male initiation, cleansing of birth impurity, and dedication to God".
You have yet to show any proof that these are biblical reasons. Also, your claim that this is symbolic lacks any support at all. See, when pressed, you show that you don't know how to think on your own.

The Jews were ordered by God to follow 613 additional commandments to further improve their condition. The Jews were only successful in observing circumcision as history has proven. Even here they have been overtaken by Muslim in number performing Circumcision.
Actually, Jews were ordered to follow a variety of other commandments (the number 613 is debated as is the category called "commandments"). Saying Jews were only "successful" in observing one means you don't know anything about Judaism. Are you saying that I didn't pray this morning? Are you saying that I don't keep the sabbath or abide by dietary laws? 

Maybe take a deep breath and decide if you really want to keep restating the same errors or maybe want to learn and grow as a person. Let me know what you decide.
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Actually, Jews were ordered to follow a variety of other commandments (the number 613 is debated as is the category called "commandments"). Saying Jews were only "successful" in observing one means you don't know anything about Judaism. Are you saying that I didn't pray this morning? Are you saying that I don't keep the sabbath or abide by dietary laws? 
Paul took a more relaxed approach to ancient Jewish laws which only prioritized food and circumcision. It was a slap in the face for Jewish tradition, but it was also the central reason for the rapid spread of Christianity.

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Paul took a more relaxed approach to ancient Jewish laws which only prioritized food and circumcision. It was a slap in the face for Jewish tradition, but it was also the central reason for the rapid spread of Christianity.
how is that even remotely relevant?
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Paul took a more relaxed approach to ancient Jewish laws which only prioritized food and circumcision. It was a slap in the face for Jewish tradition, but it was also the central reason for the rapid spread of Christianity.

how is that even remotely relevant?
Jews put more restriction on their diet (what they could and could not eat) than they put on their circumcised penis. The Muslims improved on this concept to avoid a similar fate.

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Jews put more restriction on their diet (what they could and could not eat) than they put on their circumcised penis. The Muslims improved on this concept to avoid a similar fate.
what are you talking about? God put the restrictions on diet and God commanded the circumcision. Is there anything you actually know?
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Look.

Before people come out with tosh, like GOD restricted diet and commanded circumcision.

They really need to prove unequivocally, that a GOD exists.

As far as we know, men restricted diets and men command circumcision.

Just like some perverse men still command circumcision, and some stupid people still restrict diet for ideological reasons.

Which is of course not to say that some people should restrict their diets  for size and health related reasons.
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Jews put more restriction on their diet (what they could and could not eat) than they put on their circumcised penis. The Muslims improved on this concept to avoid a similar fate.
what are you talking about? God put the restrictions on diet and God commanded the circumcision. Is there anything you actually know?
The Jews added more restrictions to their diet to keep up with technology and keep their women busy to take their minds off the men’s  circumcised penis.

There are a lot of details, but these are the basics: 
  • You can't eat certain animals at all, including organs, eggs, and milk of the forbidden animals.
  • Birds and mammals must be killed according to Jewish law.
  • All blood must be drained from meat and poultry before it's eaten.
  • You can't eat certain parts of animals at all.
  • You must inspect fruits and vegetables for bugs before you eat them.
  • You can't eat meat and dairy together. You can eat fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables, and grains with either meat or dairy. 
  • Utensils that touch meat can't touch dairy (and vice versa). 
  • Utensils and cooking surfaces that touch hot, non-kosher food can't touch kosher food.
  • You can't eat any grape products made by anybody who isn't Jewish.
Kosher Food Categories

It starts out simple. Kosher foods fall into three categories: meat, dairy, and "pareve," sometimes spelled "parve." Fish and poultry are sometimes included in pareve.

Meat. The Torah says kosher meat can only come from animals that have split hooves and chew their cud, like cows, sheep, and goats. When these animals eat, partially digested food (cud) returns from the stomach for them to chew again. Pigs, for example, have split hooves, but they don’t chew their cud, so pork isn’t kosher.

Kashrut law also governs the method of slaughter and processing, and the slaughterhouse equipment. Meat isn’t kosher if the animal dies naturally. Certain parts of an animal, including types of fat, nerves, and all of the blood, are never kosher.

Dairy. All dairy products, like milk, butter, yogurt, and cheese, must come from a kosher animal. All ingredients and equipment used to produce it have to be kosher, too.

Pareve. This is the category for kosher foods that aren't meat or dairy. It covers everything from eggs and fish to fruits, vegetables, pasta, coffee, and packaged foods.

There are multiple layers of laws beneath these three. Here are just a few:

You can't eat milk and meat products at the same time, put them on the same dishes, or prepare or eat them with the same utensils. You also have to wait a certain amount of time to eat milk after meat and vice versa.
Not all cheeses are kosher. That's because many are made with an enzyme called rennet that comes from the stomachs of cows. Kosher cheese can't have animal-based rennet.

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Those are some of the basic laws (with only a few errors) which God commanded. So? And your logical conclusion about why those are laws is possibly the dumbest thing I will see online today. Thanks.
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Look.

Before people come out with tosh, like GOD restricted diet and commanded circumcision.

They really need to prove unequivocally, that a GOD exists.
no, they don't. Following God is a function of belief in God. I can't prove God to you or anyone else, nor would I try to. But I live my life which posits God at the center and his rules and laws hold sway over me. Why do I need to prove anything in order to justify my beliefs which control my actions?

As far as we know, men restricted diets and men command circumcision.
as far as you "know." I "know" otherwise because my knowledge base is foundationally built on a different set of understandings of the world.

Just like some perverse men still command circumcision, and some stupid people still restrict diet for ideological reasons.

Which is of course not to say that some people should restrict their diets  for size and health related reasons.
I have not asked anyone here (or elsewhere) to prove that God doesn't exist - to me, that's as dumb as asking someone to prove that God does exist. I haven't asked anyone to accept my beliefs as his or her reality. You don't accept (or seem to like) religious rules. OK. You do you.
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Those are some of the basic laws (with only a few errors) which God commanded. So? And your logical conclusion about why those are laws is possibly the dumbest thing I will see online today. Thanks.
God commanded the Jews to follow 613 commandments. But the Jews killed God’s messengers (prophets) before they became laws.

Matthew 23:37
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

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God commanded the Jews to follow 613 commandments. But the Jews killed God’s messengers (prophets) before they became laws.

Matthew 23:37
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
everytime I think you have hit rock bottom you find a shovel and dig lower.

1. The laws were the laws before the prophets existed
2. why would you quote the gospels to someone who doesn't see them as authoritative or useful?

for a start ;)