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Amidst the chaos of being shot, Donald Trump did not fall. As the Secret Service swiftly surrounded him, he stood resolute.
Instead of succumbing to fear or seeking immediate refuge, Trump remained steadfast, driven by a sense of duty. Despite the urgency of the situation, he insisted on holding his ground, refusing to be moved until he could secure his shoes. In that moment, he fought against the Secret Service’s attempts to usher him away, determined to demonstrate strength and reassure both the American people and our allies that he was unyielding.
As the Secret Service tried to confine him, he broke free from their grasp and raised his fists high, his blood-streaked face set against the backdrop of the American flag. With the words "Fight, fight, fight!" he embodied a message of defiance and resolve, vowing that neither he nor the American spirit would be subdued by extremists.
Even as he was escorted to safety behind the bulletproof glass of the limousine, Trump made one final defiant gesture. He pumped his fists in the air once more, choosing to prioritize the reassurance of the public over his own safety, symbolizing his unwavering commitment to the nation’s values and the fight for our way of life.
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This is because after their policies have been implemented, we will have US citizens with none or almost no power (they will have no guns and no right to capitalistic liberty) and we will have 10’s of millions of illegals all voting blue. (we already have them here we just are not sure how many are voting) We will be a wasteland for all illegal aliens and we will racket up the debt, and probably have a second great depression. This will all take place under the guise of “democracy"
Drugs, crime and abortion will kill your children. If they do survive, they will be consumed by the woke mind virus, their votes already bought and paid for.
President Trump is America’s last hope. No other man knows how to handle the Washington Bureaucrats better than him. I thank God for his intervention on J13, and now I pray he intervenes and helps America again on November 5, 2024. (Election day)
Kamala won’t express her policies publicly or do a sitdown interview because she knows Americans hate her Socialist and Communist Ideology. I was taught that the left was communist and the right was fascist, but I now understand that this is false: The left is communist and fascist, and the right is about liberty and federation.
President Trump is not Hitler, not even close. Hitler was a socialist who hated American ideals, while Trump is a capitalistic American Patriot.
I could keep going but I want to leave room for more posts. Go ahead, and post your unjudged and FREE opinion here. (reminder that Kamabla and TamponTim are the ones that want to take away your freedom of speech)
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Trump did the first presidential debate in enemy territory, and now that the second debate is scheduled to be on neutral and fair ground, Kamala Harris has tucked tail and ran away.
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The Hawk Tuah girl fell short of endorsing Donald Trump in interview.
The viral sensation has claimed she would not do the patriotic thing and give Donald Trump a blow job.
When Trump wins it is likely she could be the first of many put into reeducation camps to repatriatize her. https://www.tiktok.com/@meidastouch/video/7386767851916381482
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This is a simple yay or nay vote on the proposed new addition to the code of conduct. You can find a copy of the policy here https://www.evernote.com/shard/s645/sh/644d1e17-1ef3-3ef5-f968-542592992d8f/oE3TDdHIibb3PsfMvwM5EpSE0FVNCufDv-upv_hudVvOVqFEskfHk3YAdA
This is the current code of conduct despite the site failing to be updated yet; https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9127-meep-for-sweeping-code-of-conduct-change?page=1
This meep proposes that we add the following definition of stochastic terrorism to the COC:
Stochastic Terrorism: "Stochastic terrorism is targeted political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, this is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
We have had users claim that they hoped Biden and Trump would die. They have made statements pretending like Donald Trump was a terrorist, which regardless of intention could obviously incite some unstable individual to attempt to assassinate the president. The same sort of rhetoric has been used against Biden, but to a lesser degree and should not be tolerated, even if it's a rule only violated by people belonging to a certain ideology.
The Voting will end at 10pm on 7/21/24
Vote a simple yay or nay to the COC's 1st amendment
link to COC evernote link is broken https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8967-discussion-of-and-proposal-of-revamped-moderation-policy-?page=1&post_number=20
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Obviously not great. Thankfully, he's fine. So, what are your thoughts?
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Are you familiar with the plan to in-act "Project 2025" if Trump wins? Generally speaking, it's a very robust transition plan organized by right-wing think tank, The Heritage Foundation, to enforce Christian and Conservative policies on every level of Government: including replacing all government works with ones who will promote "Conservative ideals." https://www.project2025.org
Liberals seem concerned, and Conservatives seem largely indifferent (many not even knowing about it). The indifference part is interesting to me because most Conservatives i've spoken with have the attitude of "has some good ideas, has some really bad ideas, probably won't happen either way." And liberals are concerned with the prospect of a President who would think of any of it as a good idea let alone actually trying to push it through.
Project 2025 controversial points of interest:
- Reinstate the executive order known as Schedule F. This would reclassify thousands of federal employees as “at-will” workers and give the administration the ability to fire employees who don’t agree with or follow the extremist policies suggested by Project 2025.
- Create a training “academy” for potential employees of the next administration, which “provides aspiring appointees with the insight, background knowledge, and expertise in governance to immediately begin rolling back destructive policy and advancing conservative ideas in the federal government.”
- Will ensure that Department of Justice is not independent from the executive branch and implies the agency will be used to take legal retribution against whoever Trump decides to investigate.
- Calls for a future GOP administration to immediately review all major FBI investigations “and terminate any that are unlawful or contrary to the national interest.”
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Melanie King unpacks the pure hypocrisy and fraud that Letitia James is directly involved in.
James screwed a guy out of a $3M loan he gave to save the Irish Society's building that was OVER INFLATED in its value in order to secure the $3M loan. They claimed it had a market value of $80M when it was truly worth $20M.
When the guy, Doyle, who loaned the society the $3M, after the Irish Society defaulted on their payments to Doyle, tried to foreclose and James declared his $3M loan null and void.
Letitia James committed the EXACT crimes she alleged Trump committed. Difference, Trump always paid his loans and conducted business as usual with the banks who considered him a "whale" of a client. No crime. No victims. No fraud.
James blocked any and all efforts for Doyle to get his $3M back. She benefited in other ways where her campaign is concerned too. She has even used the building for her own use, personal & professionally.
Letitia James, like Fani Willis and Alvin Bragg, not to mention Jack Smith are ALL FRAUDS themselves.
The American Judicial System is clearly broken.
Thoughts?
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This is how brainwashed some of you are. This is literally happening with like half of trumps policies because he is a moderate who has many liberal and conservative values.
CNN first article 4-4-17
Everyone should have a shot at paid family leave. https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/opinions/paid-family-leave-for-all-boushey-bethell/index.html
May 22, 2017
Trump proposes paid family leave
May 30, 2017 after trump has supported paid family leave CNN now rites that paid family leave hurts women
If anyone really wants Roosevelt again they should vote Trump because he is the modern day Roosevelt.
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So here are some things you can do that don't involve being cringe and wearing a red hat.
1. If you live close to a purple state, use a friend's address to vote I that state. If the left can use dead people you can use a friend's address. Do not waste your vote in a solidly blue or solidly red state. Get your ass to a purple state.
2. Carrot max. By eating carrots everyday your skin will start to turn orange. This is a scientific fact. Carrot max my niggas https://youtu.be/p5IanqBmlyg?si=ML9q_qtXr1ItySKR
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What Donald Trump ever a "white" supremacist?
Did he do more for minorities than Barack Obama?
Is Trump more Christian than any other P.O.T.U.S.?
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Donald Trump is the greatest president.
Now what is great to you?
Who is great to you?
Which president was greater?
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From American Thinker:
When the last PA counties finally posted information into the SURE registration system (at the end of January 2021), V.V. determined that there remained a voter deficit of 121,000. Using my audit experience, I extensively tested the V.V. analysis, and I found it to be logical and completely accurate. A voter deficit existed, and the election should not have been certified.
The exact amount is not entirely clear because, magically, 30,000 more voters materialized (without explanation) six months after the election. Yes, the number of voters had grown by the time PA issued its “2020 General Election Report” on May 14, 2021. That is the reason I reported a deficit of just 90,000 in my book, Debunked. Although I suspected that the 30,000 increase in voters was a “plug” entry, I generously assumed that it was some sort of legitimate error correction made by PA. Either way, however, the voter deficit exceeded Biden’s winning margin.
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These are Trump's words, of course.
But despite this, I can tell that the US has degraded to levels never seen before, socially and economically. So, I ask the american, the yankee, if you agree with the title, but please, try to answer with the hand on your heart, with all honesty, leaving aside your political sympathy.
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I am curious if successful Billionaire Donald Trump is smart. It would seem you need to be smart to accomplish his level of success, but please tell me what his grand strategy is for following situations..
1. Trump says deep state is out to get him. Deep state asks for classified documents back. Trump hides documents and gives them excuse to come after him.
Is this really who the right wing factions want to lead them?
2. Trump says he hires best people. Also Trump fire everybody he hires and tells the world how stupid they were.
Trump, you hired those people. What does it say about you to hire morons so often.
Is this really who should lead right wing? Does this make him good at strategy?
3. Trump has a lot of legal cases against him. Also Trump, admits in recording classified documents were not declassified prior to leaving office, removing one of his only two possible defenses.
4. Trump has teams of lawyers hoping he has one slip of tongue. Also Trump makes numerous TV appearances, posts non stop to truth social and does not shut mouth.
This does not seem like good judgment.
5. Trump has a second possible defense. He can claim ignorance about whether his actions were illegal . This is actually a defense in American courts. Trump proceeds to tell numerous people he knows this would be illegal if he actually hid documents.
This guy does not appear to have good judgment. Perhaps Americans should vote for new right wing celebrity. Maybe Kid Rock .
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Howie Carr Show (Original Source):
Tefft, a graduate of Berklee College of Music in 2015, recently moved to Nashville to pursue her career in music. A Cape Cod native, Tefft still sees Massachusetts as her home. She’s been called a “phenomenon” by the Boston Globe and was also praised by Matty in the Morning on Kiss 108.But after singing the national anthem at an event hosted by a certain former president, Carly Tefft’s performances were cancelled at Harvest Gallery in Dennis, MA. Her presence was called “threatening” and her name on the live music schedule was likened to lewd art.
Daily Mail (Right Wing):
A restaurant in Cape Cod allegedly canceled performances from rising country music star Carly Teftt after she sang the national anthem at a Donald Trump rally in April.Earlier this week, Tefft spoke with radio host Howie Carr after she received a call from the owner of Harvest Gallery - a restaurant and bar in Dennis, Massachusetts that features art and music - who told her he was canceling her future appearances at the venue due to 'controversy.''He thought that his customer base would feel - he used a very specific word - threatened,' she said.
I couldn't find a left-wing source on this...
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Jan. 6 takeaways: Subpoena for Trump, warnings for democracy
By MARY CLARE JALONICK and ERIC TUCKER@APNEWS
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House Jan. 6 committee took the extraordinary action of subpoenaing former President Donald Trump on Thursday as it issued a stark warning in its final public hearing before the midterm election: The future of the nation’s democracy is at stake.
The panel’s October hearing, just weeks ahead of the midterm election, focused on Trump’s state of mind on Jan. 6, 2021 as he egged on his supporters with false claims of election fraud, pushed to accompany them to the Capitol while lawmakers were counting the votes, and then did nothing for hours as the mob violently breached the building.
The committee is set to shut down at the beginning of next year, and was making its final public arguments ahead of a report expected in December.
“We are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all in motion,” said Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the panel’s vice chairwoman and one of two Republicans on the nine-member committee. “And every American is entitled to those answers. So we can act now to protect our republic.”
A SUBPOENA FOR TRUMP — BUT NOT PENCE
The subpoena for Trump is a major escalation in the probe. After signaling for months that they may leave the former president alone, the unanimous 9-0 vote “for relevant documents and testimony, under oath” was definitive.
The committee had long debated whether to seek testimony from or subpoena Trump or former Vice President Mike Pence. Neither has spoken directly to the committee. While Trump has been hostile to the probe both in court and in public, Pence’s lawyers had engaged with the panel for several months with no clear resolution.
Still, several of Pence’s closest aides have complied with the investigation, with several of them providing great detail about his movements and state of mind as he resisted Trump’s pleas to somehow object to the certification of electoral votes that day and try to overturn their defeat.
In contrast, the committee showed several clips of Trump allies refusing to answer questions before the panel.
Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin, a Democrat, said the committee was “able to nail down every salient detail in pretty much every element of the offense” except for certain details about what Trump was doing and saying as the insurrection unfolded.
‘CONSIDER WHETHER WE CAN SURVIVE’
The lesson of the committee’s investigation is that institutions only hold when people of good faith protect them without regard to political cost, Cheney said during the hearing.
“Why would Americans assume that our Constitution and our institutions in our Republic are invulnerable to another attack? Why would we assume that those institutions will not falter next time?” Cheney asked.
The warnings come as Trump is still refusing to acknowledge that he lost his reelection to Joe Biden and is considering another run in 2024 — and as many Republicans who deny Biden’s win are running in the midterm elections at all levels of government. Many states have replaced election officials who resisted Trump’s pressure campaign.
“Any future president inclined to attempt what Donald Trump did in 2020 has now learned not to install people who could stand in the way,” said Cheney, who lost her own Republican primary this August. “Consider whether we can survive for another 246 years.”
PELOSI AND SCHUMER, IN HIDING
New video aired by the panel showed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reacting emotionally to the news that her colleagues were donning gas masks in the House chamber as rioters neared. She quickly went to work trying to reopen the Capitol.
Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer were seen in unidentified secure locations and talking to security officials. The footage included a conversation between Pelosi and Pence, who was also in a secure location, discussing their return to the session to finish certifying Biden’s victory.
The footage was filmed by Pelosi’s daughter, Alexandra Pelosi, according to two people familiar with the video who requested anonymity to discuss it.
The two leaders are seen working to bring the National Guard to the Capitol amid an hours long delay. At one point, Schumer said he was going to “call up the f’n secretary of DOD,” referring to the Defense Department.
“We have some senators who are still in their hideaways,” Schumer said on the phone. “They need massive personnel now.”
SECRET SERVICE REVELATIONS
The committee has obtained more than 1.5 million pages of documents from the Secret Service in recent weeks. They revealed some of that information in the hearing, including an email from within the agency on Dec. 11, 2020, the day the Supreme Court rejected one of Trump’s attempts to undermine the vote.
“Just fyi. POTUS is p—-d — breaking news —- Supreme Court denied his law suit. He is livid now,” one anonymous Secret Service email said.
Other emails showed that the agency had ample warnings of violence in the weeks and days ahead of the insurrection.
An alert received by the agency on Dec. 24 said multiple online users were targeting members of Congress and “instructing others to march into the chambers,” said California Rep. Adam Schiff, a Democratic member of the panel.
CABINET OFFICIALS
The committee showed prerecorded interviews with Cabinet members, including former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, Attorney General William Barr and Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia, who said they believed that once the legal avenues had been exhausted, that should have been the end of Trump’s effort to remain in power.
Pompeo, who was interviewed by the panel since its last hearing in July, said in his videotaped testimony that he believed that once the Electoral College certified the vote, that was the end of the process for contesting the election. “We should all comply with the law at all times, to the best of our ability — every one of us,” Pompeo said.
Chao, who is married to Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, said she decided to resign after the insurrection because it was “impossible for me to continue given my personal values and my philosophy.”
At the same time, Trump continued to push the false claims of fraud to his millions of supporters.
“President Trump knew the truth. He heard what all his experts and senior staff was telling him,” said Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, the committee’s other Republican. “His intent was plain: ignore the rule of law and stay in power.”
CRIMINAL REFERRALS
Cheney addressed one of the committee’s remaining questions at the beginning of the meeting, saying that the panel “may ultimately decide to make a series of criminal referrals to the Department of Justice.”
Members of the panel have long suggested they may suggest charges for Trump or others based on their own evidence. While such a referral would not force any action, it would place political pressure on Attorney General Merrick Garland as the department has pursued its own investigations surrounding Jan. 6. And the committee has yet to share any transcripts from its more than 1,000 interviews.
Still, “we recognize that our role is not to make decisions regarding prosecution,” Cheney said.
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Associated Press writers Michael Balsamo, Farnoush Amiri, Kevin Freking and Lisa Mascaro contributed to this report.
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GAP in TRUMP CALL LOGS on JAN. 6 'suspiciously tailored,' RASKIN SAYS
By Amy B Wang
The gap in phone logs in the official White House records on Jan. 6, 2021, is of “intense interest” to the House select committee investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol, Rep. Jamie B. Raskin said Sunday.
In an interview on CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” Raskin (D-Md.) noted that a 7½-hour gap in the phone logs for President Donald Trump’s communications that day covers the period when the Capitol assault was taking place.
Raskin said he and other Jan. 6 committee members have been able to piece together some of Trump’s activities during that time frame based on other people’s interviews and depositions, but holes remain.
“It’s a very unusual thing for us to find that suddenly everything goes dark for a seven-hour period in terms of tracking the movements and the conversations of the president,” Raskin said.
When asked if the gap could possibly be due to incompetence rather than conspiracy, Raskin said the committee was taking that into account. He added, however, that “the gaps are suspiciously tailored to the heart of the events” of Jan. 6, including when several lawmakers later said they were pleading with Trump to intervene. Raskin noted that the committee was aware that the president took part in calls during that time, “but we have no comprehensive, fine-grained portrait of what was going on during that period, and that’s obviously of intense interest to us.”
The bipartisan Jan. 6 panel is investigating the 2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob that tried to stop the confirmation of Joe Biden’s electoral college win. The attack led to five deaths and left some 140 members of law enforcement injured.
Trump has tried to assert executive privilege to withhold documents from the committee, which last year ordered the former president to provide records of all his actions and activities on Jan. 6. President Biden has rejected Trump’s claims of executive privilege.
Earlier this year, the National Archives and Records Administration turned over to the committee 11 pages of White House records from that day, including the president’s official daily diary and the White House switchboard call logs.
As first reported by The Washington Post and CBS News, those records did not include any documentation of calls placed to or by Trump from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. on Jan. 6, 2021.
Raskin added that the committee’s mission is to get “a complete picture” of everything that took place on Jan. 6, as well as what needs to be done “to fortify democratic institutions and processes against future insurrections and coups and attempts to destabilize and overthrow our elections.”
Raskin said he hoped the committee would be able to begin holding long-delayed public hearings in May and was looking for connections between the violent insurrection at the Capitol and what he called the “attempt at an inside coup” orchestrated by Trump against the Constitution.
“I do feel confident we’re going to be able to tell that story,” Raskin said, adding, “Obviously, we’re up against a lot of obstruction now.”
Last week, the committee voted to hold two more former Trump aides — former trade and manufacturing director Peter Navarro and former communications chief Daniel Scavino Jr. — in criminal contempt of Congress for refusing to comply with the committee’s subpoenas. Raskin said the House probably would vote this week on whether to refer Navarro and Scavino to the Justice Department for prosecution.
Like Trump and a raft of other former aides, Navarro and Scavino have tried to claim they are protected by executive privilege and that the subpoenas were an overreach by the committee. They are among the latest in high-profile Trump White House officials facing repercussions for refusing to comply with the Jan. 6 committee’s subpoenas.
Last year, former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon was indicted on charges of contempt of Congress, which prompted warnings from some Republicans of “payback” that they could do the same to Democrats if they retake control of the House majority in November.
Mark Meadows, a former chief of staff in the Trump White House, also refused to cooperate with the committee, leading to the House voting to hold him in contempt of Congress as well in December.
Separately, a federal judge ruled last week that Trump “more likely than not” committed federal crimes in attempting to stop the confirmation of Biden’s electoral college win.
Asked about the judge’s comments Sunday, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), who has defended Trump frequently and who voted to acquit Trump during his impeachment trials, was noncommittal.
“Well, federal judges say a lot of things and we’ll see how that comes through the process,” Blunt said on ABC News’s “This Week.” “I think the Justice Department has a job to do and they should do it and people who were involved in the planning or execution of illegal activities on Jan. 6 should be prosecuted.”
Bob Woodward and Robert Costa contributed to this report.
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So I was looking at this "Trumpism is Fascism" debate. And it reminds me of when I kept seeing "Trump and his cult followers are fascists." And like, I asked them why they thought Trump was a fascist 'cuz I was curious....They never got back to me.
So.. Why do people think Trump is a fascist?
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Interesting Facebook memory popped up yesterday, which included an informal debate I had with a fellow debater with whom I had respected and been Facebook friends.
Going to share the conversation below, but in essence...
Ragnar: "the irony of Trump's promise to cease with Twitter is just hilarious"
Other Guy: "How did a remark about twitter become a binding contract, the violation of which is a hanging offense?"
Just sharing the worst conversation line. For context, in the one that immediately preceded this one, I was very directly praising one of Trump's promises for being a great idea, regardless of it it ever became the law of the land (“for every new regulation, two old regulations must be eliminated”); so this wasn't started with me looking like some frothing at the mouth Trump-hater.
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