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@badger
From 5:00 on. Emotions as anticipations of results is interesting. That sounds like it goes back to temporal difference learning. But again, same message. Don't be fooled.
I agree, and he states such at 6:25 approx.> ...kinda of like emotions... and certainly not fear, hate, jealousy etc.
AI is still and will remain a mathematical programing that handles huge amounts of data, discovered by humans, that, have most complex access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego.
AI is still and will remain a mathematical programing that handles huge amounts of data, discovered by humans, that, have most complex access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego.
Oh yeah, in his comments I mentioned above, he did not mention AI having access to meta-space ego.
Did you see the vid I posted about how AI solveded the huge number of protein creation problems. ...The Most useful Thing AI Has Ever Done..
Cant find catagory I posted it in, so he it is here. Triangulation and a feedback loop was added into the algorithm, --between the two towers of data--- and only then did AI solve the protein creation problem and the team finally won the big prize at the conference on solving this issue. Truly interesting and astounding vid
Anyway, at 14:20 he mentions cats and their intuitive abiliites and many others that AI and robots are many years away from. Climbing chasing etc that such amazing things the top of the line predators can do.
At 17:00 he also states briefly, like Penrose, someday AI may have consciousness, --to some much higher bar like cats > humans---
At 18: he explains the number tokens ---two bytes--- AI programing uses for LLM's and that a human childs brain processes about the same amount of info in first four years of life.
Thanks for the vid. Not sure if can make it through whole thing
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@Greyparrot
@zedvictor4
@FLRW
@Sidewalker
Here is the other vidI promised to complete the Classical{ Newtons World } - Quantum Mechanics{ Least Action } - Quantum Field theory { Vibrations{ simple }}
There is new story ive developed today, and I will post in another topic. Suffice it to say, ---at least for now--, that, within the minimal quantum pulse of Uinverse --the 13 vertexial event of the gravition-DarkEon---, the 9th nodal event is the free agent --and it makes 12 vertexial events ergo 66 Lines-of-relationship--- become 78 lines of relationship, or the vibrating field, with the 9th nodal event, now a vertexial event being the flittering/fluttering nuclear virtual particle to the 12 triangles of the, triangular based, truncated on two ends, di-pyramid.
truncation on each opposing end, not show in following link
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/TriangularDipyramid.htmlAgain, I have a three part message on this latter above. Another topic coming soon, I hope. TOE and getting closer to a clear pathway to holographic via the 78, primary lines-of-relationship [ LoR's } of the minimal quantum pulse that permeates all space-time tori of Universe as our observation of forward in time { and space }, or the arrow of time [ and space } or the flow of time { and space } etc.
And of most interesting note to me, is that whereas B Fullers has primary set of 73 great circles of mathematical sphere concept., The teh graviton-darkEon quantum pulse has 78 LoR's. Ha, that is four more than Fullers 73 primaries.
If go even further and say that the 78 LoR's as virtual, 3D space-time tori, then we have Quantum Mechanics, and, Quantum Field Vibrations along with Newtons World. Hey that is another Cosmic Three-ness. im on a roll my fellow cosmonauts. :-))) (((--: Oh yeah, I also saw how the 9th vertexial nodal event serves as bilateral halve of the mid-girth nuclear nodal event the #6. Both internal to the quantum pulse graviton-darkEon.
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@badger
That's a lovely video. I always enjoy a Penrose interview, he's so grandfatherly and kindly. That dude interviewing him is a bit of a doofus tbh, I think he showed him tremendous patience.
9:00 sums it up. Computers have gotten so powerful that people have lost the thread of what they're doing. But they're still just computing same as always.
To date that is and mathematical algorithm, not knowing via lack of humans overall large language model after 7.5 million years.
But LLM's really are nothing special.
This was probably fairly arrogant of me earlier. It's definitely an incredible achievement what LLM's can do. Maybe the word "special" gives away something of a superiority complex in me also about my place in the universe. But there is still something missing. Penrose uses those same words somewhere in this video also. We haven't a clue.
I think that also may happen to me. I know, yet I dont know also sometimes. Then Ive have seen the pathways of others, and took me time to that yes it works also.
It is a move toward more entrepenure-ship of every human. In movie The Founder, the quote of Mac Millions{$} founder, was, ... its not a dog eat dog out there, its rat eat rat ' ......
No guranttee's come with biologic life.
No guranttee's come with biologic life.
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@cristo71
@Sidewalker
@Critical-Tim
Cristo...does not mean we know exactly why that is the case— which is precisely why I wrote that it will “challenge the idea of” rather than “solve” the problem...
and Critical tim gets it correct.
Ive posted various Penrose vids on this. It is the knowing what it is. AI doesnt know what it is. It is just an algorithm of math.
This vid with Penrose may be the one Im thinking of Penrose is very balanced in that he allows for some possibility of AI program becoming a knowing entity, he just doesnt see that in the future now. Sorry I dont have time stamps for this one
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Time 2:37 ..it all comes down to a quantity known as action...Mauterpius 1698 - 1759
Time 3:00 Hamilton revised the forumla including kinietic energy and potential energy.
time 6:15 Max Planck enters the scene to solve he ultravioltet catastrophe 1900{?} E = h frequency time 8.22 > 9:40 h = 6.6 and plancks constant h becomes ..Quantum of Action....
time 18:12 Bohr discovers angular momentem also equals ..quantum of action...
time 18:30 Louis de brouglie in s 1924 makes sense of all the above i.e. if radiation can be particle and waves, maybe fermions can be waves and particles
time 15:13 it is the wave nature of particles that means they must take many pathways through space to find the path of least action and stablilize there
time 15:50 story goes --true or not--- the professor gets questions from student R P Feynman
time 26:26 >> Feynman shown at chalk board stating......im not crazy...quantum mechanics is crazy......
Ok so this Classical and Quantum Mechanical effects. The new kid on block is quantum field theories. That link is next post relates all of three of these.
Ok so this Classical and Quantum Mechanical effects. The new kid on block is quantum field theories. That link is next post relates all of three of these.
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@FLRW
If you watch the vid, you will see it is about pathway of least action.
For many years --perhaps even as teenager-- I recall how it was said that Gravity takes the pathway of least resistance.
I dont think these two are the same. I dunno. One interesting comment --sorry I dont have time stamp-- where the man says that this pathway of least action is really about finding a Theory of Everything, and to do that, we need to find a single Lagrangian formula that fits all physics.
..." What is the Lagrangian in physics?
Lagrangian function, quantity that characterizes the state of a physical system. In mechanics, the Lagrangian function is just the kinetic energy (energy of motion) minus the potential energy (energy of position). "....
Here is a bit more for Lagrangian for those truly interested. Way way above my education.
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-standard-model-of-physics-actually-looks-likeAnyway neither of these two above are the 2nd vid I wanted to share that relates to the recent and fantastic WOW! explanation in post #1 sine-waves to the infinite power. Sorry I cant find the time stamp where Feynman state, no Im not crazy, and then starts writing on chalkboard. It is just a brief short of him. The other related vid is coming
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Part 1 of two related vids } this utube vid by a dude who does lot of very interesting and smart stuff, offers this one some history of sine-waves associated to quantum mechanics via whats called ' Infinite Paths ' wherein R. P. Feynman points the way by stating in the vid, im not crazy, as crazy as quantum mechanics actually is.
So here is this recent vid, and if you know nothing about quantum mechanics this crazy thing about infinite paths ergo sine-waves patterns of all particles of Universe i the place to begin. I will post the 2nd vid ' Quantum Field Theory ', that in another post that plays off this first one --- the better of the two---.
I hope some of you can find the time for this first one. It is for sure a Wow!. I cant believe this is true. It is proven in this vid, crazy as it is.
..' Something Strange Happens When You Trust Quantum Mechanics '.....
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Thank you for all you have done to provide this forum as an outlet for our thoughts. Thank You! 3/7/2024.
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@Swagnarok
i added women cause I dint know all of the specifics of the Shakers three inventions. woman/women.
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Leave it to a woman discovers what this roman/viking artifact is. I think it was Shakers woman/women who invented the circular saw blade, clothes pen, and the square broom
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@zedvictor4
G. Mary, I call this my Holy Spirit.
Good one!
/**\ = closed 2D triangular set icon for woman with bilateral internal ovaries
M. Good Lord big boy.
Also a good one
*Y* = open 2D triangular set icon for man with bilateral, external testes
Place man icon inside woman icon ----\Y/--- and get birds-eye-view --subdivided triangle -- of the minimal 3D, tetra{4}hedron volume set of Universe.
1 man set = 1 vertex i.e. where three lines meet
1 woman set = three nodal events i.e where two lines meet
Synergetically the man and woman create 12 angles out of 6 angles { so doubled }, 4 vertexes total, 4 openings total, the original 6 lines count does not change.
Synergetically the man and woman create 12 angles out of 6 angles { so doubled }, 4 vertexes total, 4 openings total, the original 6 lines count does not change.
in the meta-space Spirit-1, man and woman are exact geometric equals. When axis spun the 6 chord edges/lines create three sets of two great circles --or as three, 3D, specific kinds of horn tori-- ergo, three sets of two precessed{ at 90 degrees } to each other, and this exhibits man and woman, in their optimal geometric 90 degree orientation to each other, --and in dynamic spin trajetory-- to have the most comprehensive, wholistic view of their combined space involvement.
See Graphic A..
If they were both nearly on the same plane, of spin going in opposite directions, that is the most likely way for smashing into each other, whereas if nearly on the same plane, they have the strongest forward momentum as a vector { magnitude and direction } force.
two 360 circles = 720 degrees and that is the total degrees of angle on surface of the 3D tetrahedron. 12 angles times 60 degrees each = 720. Whole volume = man { X y } plus woman { X x }
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Pi in the math sky, to 3rd power{ XYZ } = 31.00 62 7 66...... transcendental 3D pace volume?
We have 31 bilateral --ergo 62 {see above ^ } spinal nerves, as do some other animals.
5-fold icosa{20}hedron has 6, 10, 15 primary great circles --as a specific kind of 3D horn tori-- that total 31. Icosahedron defined by 30 circumferential chords
Pi^4 = 97.40 90 9 10......
97.4090910....{ time? or 4D space ?} minus 31.00 62 7 66{ volume } = 66.40 28 1 4....Cosmic Pi-time absolute
pi^4/4{ re-normalization } = 24.35 22 7 27..... --is my way of re-normalizing time or 4D time, to a 3D volume
the 4-fold cubo-octahedron aka vector equilbrium{ VE } has 24 circumferential chords and 25 great circles { as specific kind of 3D horn tori }
66.4....minus 24.4 = 42 --aka Douglas Adams ' answer to life Universe and everything " 🥸--
So with two of our above Pi powerings we find 7 appearing in the overall 7th position/location. 42/7 = 6
I use to call this my time absolute dilation-contraction { Lorentz-like } i.e 66.4 to 0, or from 0 to Cosmic Pi-time 66.4
0.....7......14.....21.....28....35......42...plus 24.35{ 24.4 }....66.4 minus 24.4...42....35.....28....21....14...7....0
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@FLRW
Nice.
i thought ahead of time that you would
All the result of 3D space
results of 3D occupied space over ..space ( )( ), observed time ^v^v^
Well, Trump Christians.
The more we stir dung/crap the worse it smells.
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1} motion/dynamic/location change ---ex linear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---
2} transformation/pattern change/angular trajectories -------ex ^v^v^v( )( )[ ]/\/\/\---
3} resultants/consequences of 1 and 2? biologic life, and creatures with access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego * i *
....[ * i * ]..../ * i * \....\ * i * /.....( * i * )......) * i * (..........AI .. ' they call me data '....
They Call Me Gem
..ebuc...
perhapsa diamond in the dip
castingRubies onto the road
pearlsfrom the sea
silicaout of quartz
cyrstalinetears
proteinbells
photo-pops
piein the sky?
or,
asandstone humus
combingmy terra-cognitive
loosening thepebbles in my brain
absorbingthe fungus among-us
feastingon moonlit vegetation
bathingin the algae and bacteria
Iliquify and evaporate,
towardscosmic heaven.
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@Yassine
@zedvictor4
eternally existent, dynamically transforming, finite, occupied space Universe.
all else is meta-space fantasy land of mind/intellect/concepts and ego.
ask zed. he understands logical, common sense critical thinking fairly well also
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@FLRW
trumpet casino on beach is forecast, $
trumpet putin mush hotel $
trumpet putin musk bank $
trumpet putin musk marina $
who owns gold --or lithium etc precious metals--- makes the rules
nukes attacks are bad for business, and good for threatening the neighbors ex Ukraine
major kong to ground control
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@Sidewalker
Trump made half the country stupid. Left most of them blathering incoherently.
trumpet and putin sitting in a tower, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
first came love, then came power, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
next came trumpet pulling musk in golden carriage, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
the golden trifecta of governance, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
golden trifecta of love triangle, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
trumpet - musk and putin sitting in golden power tower, k-i-s-s-i-n-g,
....*/\*...*/\*....*/\*.....all we need is love, everybody now,
........narcissistic love is all we need..........i love me yeah, yeah, yeah
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@Greyparrot
all trumpet and no french horns. It's a battle.
try reading again. trumpet/musk{ gold }/MAFiA/trifecta golden era of governance.
the battle is over. long live the golden trifecta of governance.
AI > whole Earth > divide and conquer > future not ours to see
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@Greyparrot
fauxlaw ....woke is dead..
still blocked by fauxlaw
conscious > awake > awaken { woke to existence of ego * i * } >
..> enlightenment { comes an goes hourly, daily etc for each human } > whole { Earth/ecology } > biologic life >
....> complex access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego > access to AI >
......> exponential acceleration of technological innovation > future......speculation by all and those who own the gold { e. musk } make societal laws >
.........> woman/women { X x } being the most complex biologic expect fundamental right to body autonomy for women and men { X y } >
...........> E musk/trumpet/MAFiA { trifecta fat gold governance } vs women's bodily autonomy > pregnant women >
..............> .....w..OM..b.......h...OM...e.........integrity space( OM )( OM )space integrity..........adult( whole )( whole )adult....
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' Togetherland ' movie/scenario production conceptualization via humans on earth --not elon musk's humans on mars--- get their act together, or not.
..all-for-one and one-for-all....= Earthian spirituality....... inspirited by three musketeers { 3 is structural integrity - 4 is systemic integrity }
..." It was obvious that a minority of selfish humans would organize themselves to exploit the majority’s transitional dilemmas. I could see that there was an alternative… That alternative was through invention… to make it eminently feasible and practicable to provide a sustainable standard of living for all humanity — more advanced, pleasing, and increasingly productive than any ever experienced or dreamed of by anyone in all history.”.. ~ Buckminster Fuller
“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.”
Howard Thurman
“Never forget that you are one of a kind. Never forget that if there weren’t any need for you in …
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@zedvictor4
Cause and effect.
zed, experience i.e. occupied space as ---quantizable physical reality--- is deterministic, tho at at ultra-micro scales, such occupied space existence ---aka meta-physical Gravity and Dark Energy--- are not quantisable or map-able. what we do know, is that via our experiences, humans may acquire access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego. simple fact, complex process of nervous system/brain
I'm not sure that the mind has spontaneous bursts of random reflection.
thats correct zed.
What do others think?
i think about an occupied space experience --ex my finger--- via my occupied space nervous system, ergo, i exist as an occupied space integrity, with access to meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego. simple fact, yet the process is complex.
Cause and effect.
I'm not sure that the mind has spontaneous bursts of random reflection.
What do others think?
ive posted before, the two nobel winning scientist who discovered, that, the brain uses triangles and hexagonal grids in toroidals for spatial location processing
and yes, my cosmic space-time tori patterning, may be associated in some ways....the triangles, hexagons, torus --tho mine is special-case unique---.
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@zedvictor4
Yep, everything might or might not have a greater universal purpose.
no greater purpose zed. only humans assign a meta-space mind/intellect/conceptual purpose to this, that or the finite, eternally existent, occupied space Universe.
even the suffix of word universe { -verse } infers complex animals narrative.
the best words to use, in place of purpose, is integrity. Universe has dynamic structural integrity and dynamic systemic integrity.
these both complemented by eternally absolute, meta-space physical laws and cosmic principles.
ebucuuOMuuuu...........space(^v^v^)(v^v^v)space.........
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@zedvictor4
Hope all goes well.
ok, tho like last time, the day after surgery is when the pain kicks in. oxycodone causes me to get low blood pressure.
so second night { last night } to avoid use less oxycocdone { did one at 6:30pm } i later { 9pm } i did two nervous system depressants. a half benadryl and whole valerian root. so this AM early i had several bouts of low blood pressure, as i made coffee and bowel of cereal.
i slept all night with raised cushion under legs and i this AM it was back to bed and raising legs in alternating patterm of exercise to raiseblood pressure high enough to go back n forth, several times to ever finnish coffee and bowel of cereal. also would just kneel on floor to get blood flow ergo oxygen to brain.
i new early it was low blood pressure cause that first time out of bed i began to feel nauseous.
doing good now 3 hours later. next worry is i dont want constipation so bad i have stick finger in anus to dig out the rock hard..... #@^%&!...
yes, i been doing magnesium citrate and senna-time, tho perhaps not enough.
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@Tradesecret
Cheers.
TradeS, cheers to you too. I think youve misinterpretated some of my comments.
Sorry Im busy now, and preparing for 5 hour surgery tommorrow.
Cheers Eb
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@Lemming
@Math_Enthusiast
1 + 1 = 2 linear 1D math
One 2D triangle { closed shape } + one 2D triangle { closed } = four 2D triangles as a 3D tetra{4}hedral volume aka geometric synergetics.
When this latter occurs, then, 3 nodal points { events of the 2D triangle } + 3 nodal points { events of the 2D triangle } = 12 vertexial { 3 line conjunction of events } as the 3D tetra{4}hedron
If subdivided the three 3D tetrahedron with four lines, going to nuclear center point of the tetrahedron, get a vertex with a 4 line conjunction subdividing the tetrahedron into four internal tetra{4}hedra and 3 new 2D triangles of a lesser square area than the four surface triangles of the tet, ergo, a total of 4 surface triangles area { Q4-equal areas }, and four internal triangles of lesser area { Q4-equal areas, Sh-Equal, + Q3-Is-equal-lesser-area, } and total triangles 8.
Q = value of area question
Sh-ape { Sc-alene, Is-osceles, and Eq-uilateral
Angle = Ac-ute, Ri-ght, Ob-tuse }
Curved triangle shapes = Euclidean triangle, Spherical excess { Riemann } and Angular defect { spherically concave triangle }, Lobaveskian { planar hyber-bolic aka angular defect }
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AI..." Based on their side lengths and angles, there are three main types of triangle shapes: scalene, isosceles, and equilateral; however, when considering the measure of their angles, you can also classify triangles as acute, right, or obtuse, making a total of six different types of triangles ".
We see how complexity can arise greatly when going from a rather simple, in one directional set of linear set of considerations, when going too 2D considerations.
Going negative on the same linear line can also increase complexity considerations, tho perhaps less than those that arise shape
Wave is a mathematical pattern { 2D open shape } only, composed of changing angles of linear set.
Complexity also becomes obvious when trying to use concepts { via words } to define this or that or the other. Welcome to world of Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and sometimes ego in complex humans.
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I think about an occupied space something-ness { my finger }, via my occupied space nervous system, erog, I exist as an occupied space some-thingess, with access to *Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego.*
....* v * ..... bilateral hemispheres
......()....... neck
..-- I --.. shoulder and vertebrae
|......I.......I....bilateral arms
m....I......m. fingers
.......I.........vertebrae continued
.......I......... total 31 bilateral { ergo 62 } spinal nerves
.....* | * ..... bilateral testes { external } --ovaries if woman { ergo internal }-- and external penis
... /....\ .... bilateral legs
..L.......L... bilateral feet
Move over DaVinci Ribot8 is here. 🤓 🥸 😉 🦜 🐸 🐛 🐳 🐠 etc
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@Sidewalker
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes.......
Catagories A and B are the two primary kinds of spirit of Universe:
A} Spirit-1 Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego --with the most complex Spirit-1 having access to ego.---
A} Spirit-1 Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego --with the most complex Spirit-1 having access to ego.---
--------------------conceptual line of demarcation----------------
B} Spirit-2,3 and 2 being the three primary kinds of eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
.....manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
All four primzary kinds spirit eternally exists with the exception all or some of Spirit-1 going out of existence for ultra-brief moment, tho not sure if this scenario occurs.
given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
Access to Spirit-1, Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego, stem from occupied space, not the other way around. Experience precedes thoughts, ideas, concepts etc
All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,...
False, as once again, there exists only the above { A and B }, two unique kinds of spirit.
All of Spirit-2,3 and 4 are eternally complemented by a set of Spirit-1, Meta-space cosmic physical laws, and a set cosmic principle.
A1Spirit-2 is occupied space Fermionic Matter, Bosonic Forces and a newly discovered hybrid of those two and most if not all of these have a sine-wave ^v^v association, and observed { quantised and quantified } as time/motion/frequency ^v^v^v^
Spirit-3 is ultra-micro Gravity ( ) positive space, --an occupied space that maintains integrity of Universe---,
Spirit-4 is ultra-micro Dark Energy )( negative space, ---an occupied space that exists in diametric oppostion to Gravity that aids in the maintenance of the integrity of our eternally existent and finite Universe.
.................Outer Gravity Peak of Curvature.....................loops back to self on outer positive surface of torus
-.........ObR.........800 Bl. Yr. ..................................................................^v^v ...loops back to self inside torus
-.........ObR.........200...Bl. Yr..........................................................^v^v ......loops back to self inside torus
-.......ObR.......100 Bl. Yr.....................................................^v^v............loops back to self inside torus
-.......ObR..........20 Bl. Yr....................................^v^v....................loops back to self inside torus
-.........ObR........10 Bl. yr.........................^v^v.............................loops back to self inside torus
-.........ObR.........5 Ml. yr...............^v^.....................................loops back to self inside torus
-.........ObR......^v^v......Dark Inflation period.................loops back to self inside torus
.....Inner Dark Energy Peak of curvature ..................loops back to self on inner negative surface of torus
In this Bang 2 scenario sine-wave of reality -- observed ergo quantised and quantified time--- at big bang is moving from inner Dark Energy Space, over time, toward the outer Gravity space, within every set of space-time tori integral pattern grouping, for every particle of Universe, except the graviton-darkEon.
In this scenario, Universe is not ever contracted to small point, i.e. humans are mis-perecieving the information from our instruments as an expanding Universe --accelerating, or not, is not the point--.
I have new re-visioning of what is going on with this above regenerative Universe scenario in another thread. It has to do with how the two inside lines exit and re-manifest then selves.
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It was one of the chapters in Carl Sagans Book ..The Demon Haunted World
The Baloney Test Kit Via a Chapter in Carl Sagans book Demon Haunted World
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18/0^2 = 324, minus 18 = 306, divided by 2 = 153 lines-of-relationship total for this minimal primary field of existence, as finite, occupied space existence.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s02/figs/tb2701.html aka lines-of-relationship have an underlying order, not chaos.
Chaos is a resultant of our Meta-space mind/intellect { via brain }, inability to find, and secure the ultra-micro, orderly set of events, and the over-all order of our local environment, that, extends outward to the greater macro-finite, limits of occupied space Universe. ...Ribot8...
' Begin with the whole and not parts can be excluded '....Bucky Fuller
The word whole inherently means a finite set, not an infinite set.
We only observe a finite, occupied space Universe. Begin with that as a logical, common sense critical thinking first step to comprehension of all that exists, as an occupied space, and then we come to the logical, common sense critical thinking conclusion of only two other kinds of existence.
Trust me, or engage me with discussion to know the Cosmic Trinary Set/Outline of the three primary types of existence. Yay! Welcome onboard!
5} Why Four lines? Still attempting recall of why specifically, the use of only four lines is fundamental to 2D - 3D field of all particles of Universe.
And again, 18/0 is the minimal frequency { 3 F } possible set, because, it includes the triangular based, truncated and nucleated, di-pyramid.
The whole di-pyramid goes back to Jim Lehman creating 0.5 VE --not in Synergetics-- wherein he expands a line/chord into 3D POD that is a dipyramid having 9 surface chords that define it. Some time later I thought it should become a tube and then a torus. Not my current 18/0 space-time torus. That came years later.
And again, 18/0 is the minimal frequency { 3 F } possible set, because, it includes the triangular based, truncated and nucleated, di-pyramid.
The whole di-pyramid goes back to Jim Lehman creating 0.5 VE --not in Synergetics-- wherein he expands a line/chord into 3D POD that is a dipyramid having 9 surface chords that define it. Some time later I thought it should become a tube and then a torus. Not my current 18/0 space-time torus. That came years later.
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@Lemming
I suppose we have 3D printers now, but 'usually those still use plastic I think.
1} 3D Printer PVC killer
2} 3D PVC weapon killers
......can hydrogen bombs be made from PVC? Can they be housed in PVC?
......can PVC bullets penetrate flesh? Clothing? Glass?
3} 3D micro-plastics = slow killers
4} ?
3} 3D micro-plastics = slow killers
4} ?
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@sadolite
......shortest pissing contest ever. Trump is the man.
Trumpet is a pissed off man for sure. See his list of FBI and interviewing FBI personal.
Fascists? Immoral? Spiteful?
USA > immorality has taken the lead with its political trifecta and all citizens reap what the trifecta sows.
Fascists? Immoral? Spiteful?
USA > immorality has taken the lead with its political trifecta and all citizens reap what the trifecta sows.
USA! USA! USA!
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The latter above being stated, we find the 18/0 space-time torus to exist as, a three cyclic frequency space-time torus. This is because, the ending cyclic nodal event number is also counted in the cyclic frequency accounting. Ex when 18/0 is the initiaing nodal event accounting we have the following three cycle of nodal event accounting.
18/0 - 6 = one cyclic frequency
6 - 12 = one cyclic frequency
12 - 18/0 =one cyclic frequency
5} Why Four Lines continued? Still thinking
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Part 1: My static conceptual primary cosmic field ---expressed as 2D matrix and 3D space-time torus lattice--- is not to be thought of single field of Universe, ergo, the title topic can be misleading. Rather, this cosmic field is the minimal frequency set of nodal events,--and higher cyclic nodal events-- that, overlaps and interferes with other field similar fields to create every particle of Universe, except of the graviton-darkEon i.e quantum Gravity { contractive space } and quantum Dark Energy { repulsive space }. The non-isolatable and exist/contained within the minimal 18/0 field as the nodal events 1 -- 13p.
The 2D pattern for this minimal, four line field is presented again below and then I go into why use four lines, or rows, that, each of which each loops around to meet itself as in pattern of an abstract circle. This creates four circles on approximately the same plane. ....( (( () )) )....... and is the birds-eye-view of planar cross-section of the to be imagined later on, more complex, 3D space-time torus. Its side-wise cross-section view looks like this....( )( )...or with the nodal invaginations from outer peak of curvature and inner peak of curvature as this...(> <)(> <)....
........1..........5p...7p.............11p....13p...............17p..........loops around and not cojoined as 17p/1
The 2D pattern for this minimal, four line field is presented again below and then I go into why use four lines, or rows, that, each of which each loops around to meet itself as in pattern of an abstract circle. This creates four circles on approximately the same plane. ....( (( () )) )....... and is the birds-eye-view of planar cross-section of the to be imagined later on, more complex, 3D space-time torus. Its side-wise cross-section view looks like this....( )( )...or with the nodal invaginations from outer peak of curvature and inner peak of curvature as this...(> <)(> <)....
........1..........5p...7p.............11p....13p...............17p..........loops around and not cojoined as 17p/1
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18/0.................6........................12............................18/0.loops around cojoined as one nodal event 18/0.
...............3p.................9............................15.....................loops around and not cojoined as 15/3p
...........2p...4..............8....10..................14.....16................loops around and not cojoned as 16/2p
1} Why four Lines/Rows. Partly because it goes along with the four hexagonal --see nucleated hexagons in my cosmic field pattern ex 3p..5p...7p...9...8...4 and nucleus 6 -- planes of the 4-fold Vector Equlibrium,
...1a} the above VE as jitterbug contracts through a partial regular 5-fold icosahedron, on its way to the octahedron phase,
2} triangle { three-ness } = 2D structural integrity
..note: hexagons and triangles are two primary pattern identity's of my cosmic field pattern
....2a} four-ness = systemic integrity ex the four planes of the Vector Equlirbrium { VE } define six surface squares and squares are not triangulated structural integrity, ergo, they allow for systemic transformation of the VE, that result in a few varied exotic transformative patterns. I can list them for others upon request. Ex arriving at Euclidean double { 90 degrees to each other } sine-wave patterns, and this is done in two ways of transforming the VE,
3} thinking, tho believe there exist other reasons, tho the may have to do with the 2D matrix-lattice cosmic field pattern can be imagined --or drawn with graphic program--- as a 3D torus with two invaginations. One from outer peak of curvature and one from inner peak of curvature.
4} following along with the idea of 3D torus, we have a spiral trajectory via the numerical sequence as a direction if not also the cyclic frequency as the numerical advance from 0 - 6 --ergo hexagon-- or 1 - 7p, or 2p - 8 etc.
5} thinking again,
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Entropic fizzle out...Yep I'll take the credit for that ground-breaking bit of terminology.
These jellies, like Universe. do not ' fizzle out '.
..." When the medusa of this species is physically damaged or experiences stresses such as starvation, instead of dying it shrinks in on itself, reabsorbing its tentacles and losing the ability to swim. It then settles on the seafloor as a blob-like cyst.
Over the next 24-36 hours, this blob develops into a new polyp - the jellyfish's previous life stage - and after maturing, medusae bud off. This phenomenon has been likened to that of a butterfly which, instead of dying, would be able to transform back into a caterpillar and then metamorphose into an adult butterfly once again.
The process behind the jellyfish's remarkable transformation is called transdifferentiation and is extremely rare.
Medusa cells and polyp cells are different - some cells and organs only occur in the polyp, others only in the adult jellyfish. Transdifferentiation reprogrammes the medusa's specialised cells to become specialised polyp cells, allowing the jellyfish to regrow themselves in an entirely different body plan to the free-swimming jellyfish they had recently been.
They can then mature again from there as normal, producing new, genetically identical medusae.
This life cycle reversal can be repeated, and in perfect conditions, it may be that these jellyfish would never die of old age.".
This life cycle reversal can be repeated, and in perfect conditions, it may be that these jellyfish would never die of old age.".
Universe, never ever has entropy, however, it never ever ' fizzles out ' of occupied space existence.
We may perhaps even imagined the the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, returns to a more pure existence as a cosmic field.
.......1...........5p...7p..........11p...13p............17p..........loops around to meet itself, tho not cojoined as one nodal event 17p/0
.......1...........5p...7p..........11p...13p............17p..........loops around to meet itself, tho not cojoined as one nodal event 17p/0
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18/0.................6.....................12........................18/0...loops around to meet itself to become cojoined as the same nodal event 18/0
.............3p..................9........................15.....................loops around to meet itself tho not cojoined as a signle nodal event 15/3p
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.........2p.....4............8....10...............14....16..................loops around to meet itself, tho not cojoined as a single nodal event 16/2p.
..1..2p..4... define a triangle with 3p as nucleus
..5p..7p..8 define a triangle with 6 as nucleus
...10....11p...13p...define a triangle with 12 as nucleus
#9 nodal event is the ' Disquietude, Odd Ball Out ' of this prior defined, triangular based, truncated only two opposite ends, di-pyramid polyhedron.
This wolffram di-pyramid is not truncated on two opposite ends. If it were, it would triangle on two opposites ends, and triangle at mid-girth.... | | |...
It would have four nuclei ...|-...|-.....9...-|.. with #9 not occupying the already filled, triangular plane areas with nuclei.
It is 13 nodal events ergo 13^2 = 169, minus 13 = 156, divided by 2 = 78 lines-of-relationship in total, however, it does not ever exist in isolation from the greater field
set that includes 14...16...17p.... with nucleus 15 ergo a fourth triangular set, outside of the prior mentioned, triangular based, truncated, di-pyramid.
This leaves as another kind of Odd Ball Out, via the 18/0 situation. Dont have cosmic conclusion for you on that situation yet, other than it serves primary purpose of closure via is beeing the terminal end nodal event, to meet the terminal begining nodal event, 0.
18/0^2 = 324, minus 18 = 306, divided by 2 = 153 lines-of-relationship total for this minimal primary field of existence, as finite, occupied space existence.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s02/figs/tb2701.html aka lines-of-relationship have and underlying order, not chaos.
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.." If we want water to wet a surface that is not ordinarily wettable, we add a detergent to the water to reduce its surface tension. A detergent is a special kind of molecule in which one end is attracted to H2O molecules but the other end is not, so these ends stick out above the surface and repel each other, cancelling out the surface tension forces due to the water molecules alone."...
..." The four electron pairs surrounding the oxygen tend to arrange themselves as far from each other as possible in order to minimize repulsions between these clouds of negative charge. This would ordinarly result in a tetrahedral geometry in which the angle between electron pairs (and therefore the H-O-H bond angle) is 109.5°.
However, because the two non-bonding pairs remain closer to the oxygen atom, these exert a stronger repulsion against the two covalent bonding pairs, effectively pushing the two hydrogen atoms closer together. The result is a distorted tetrahedral arrangement in which the H—O—H angle is 104.5°. "..
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I will have to take your word for most of that.
Zed, If your refering to 4 and 5-fold geometric ideas associated heat death and regenerative rebirth of Universe, I would have consider the immortal jellyfish that, return to polyphase of life, and regrow to full bloom phase of jellyfish again, and again and again etc. Wild when I first heard of them and still wild
Jellies are the genetically oldest animals from long before dinosaurs etc.
But if all amino acids are left handed then that is easy to understand.
All amino-acids that compose biologic life, are left-handed, is what Ive read, going back 30 years or more.
Nonetheless, minimal research tells me that this is not wholly correct.Mirror pairs are usually abundant in proteins.
Mirror pairs may exist, Ive just never heard of their existence in biologic life. Perhaps there is new information Im not aware of. Do you have link to this info to share?
Though living structures only utilise lefthanded ones.
Oh, so were back to what I was saying. The key word here above is biologic life does not ' utilize ' left handed amino-acids, yet some protein of biologic life do.
That sounds contradictory. I would like for you to share the link to this info so i can better understand the specifics.
Entropic fizzle out...Yep I'll take the credit for that ground-breaking bit of terminology.
Fine except, ' fizzle out ' to me implies, occupied space something-ness, becoming destroyed into nothing-ness. That would violate the 1st law of thermodynamics.
Ive been clear all my adult life, that, I dont believe that happens. More and more in last 30 years, fewer and fewer people believe that is possible to occur. Naught is created nor destroyed, only transformed. I tend to think you keep wanting to find away around human assigned law, based emperical evidence of observations.
Heat Death only means a very cold Universe in future. We dont here this scenario much any more, and that may because of the info of the accelerating expanding Universe dubbed Dark Energy, in the 1990's
So in terms of time and space events, what would constitute a perimeter triangle.
H,mm not sure how to approach your question. First some review, and I will try to approach with a response at bottom of this post.
Purely based on view of Synegetics Vector Equilibrium, that, Fuller refers to as, the closet we will ever come to knowing God, because of four great circle/hexagonal planes, when constructed out infolded pieces of paper, have equal amount of 24 outer chords and 24 internal radii. Each of the four, bow-tie sections has 6 radii and 6 outer surface chords, ergo the total of the four bow-ties is 24 chords and 24 radii and hence Fullers naming of such geometry as God-like balance of perfect equlibrium.
Of course the VE is asymmetrical, and not symmetrical, so, equilibrium in one set of ways tho not with its shape of surface triangles and squares.
However, as presented, the VE/jitterbug transforms into 16 triangles via the collapse of the squares into 8 triangles along with the original 8 surface triangles, so actually that is and equlibrium also. In the graphic take not, that the quadra bonded/valenced tetrahedron = 4 sides via four triangles on each side, ergo, 4 * 4 = 16 triangles.
And though basic, I still think that the paper experiment might be beneficial.
Piece of paper do what specifically Zed? What experiment?
So in terms of time and space events, what would constitute a perimeter triangle.
Space first....Zed, purely in terms of the geometry of Synergetics --not my 2D field lattice and its 2D space-time torus expression that, I associate with all of the 2D great circle planes in Synergetics-- a triangle is finite space, yes, Zed?
A triangle defines a 2D, finite area of space, yes Zed? With Euclidean triangle all three angles sum to 180 degrees when the base unit is 360. That to me is the most basic, and obvioous correct answer to you question.
And again, Euclidean triangles are simple conceptual constructs, unlike Riemann curves and spheres that get into imaginary number that lead to complex number that are both negative and positive. If you want a little taste of Riemann try this link --Einstein used Riemann and his maths--- and Riemann has ideas related to the Zeta function ergo to prime number patterns and something called the critical line of zero's.
If we gradually curved the three lines of the area outward we have the Riemann positive curve, where addiditon of the three angles sums to more than 180 degrees, and,
if we curve them inward{ Lobsveskian } the sum of the three angles is always less than 180 degrees
Time....Zed, time cannot be expressed with geometry alone. In Synergetics Fuller refers to the chords and radii as vectors --i.e. have a magnitude and a direction---. For Fuller the radii of the VE are outward directional vectors, <---out--->
for the perimeter chords, they are inward towards each other as if graviational -----><-------. Go to this link to see a simple graphic by Fuller. You may have to scroll to bottom of page click zoom to read the print.
Fuller states that time is frequency | | | | | or ^v^v^ i.e. we have and event, then another event, then another event, and that is the best way expressed with geometric pattern the concept of time. beginning terminal of event and ending terminal of event invokes a conceputal time, and frequency infers observed periods of time having |------->beginnings, ----duration { Zed use this term is past :--))---> endings --->|
Hope that aids both our understanding in regards to basics of space and time in static Euclidean and curved geometries.
I think my 2D lattice patter of a field that transpose to a 3D space-time torus is better expression, however, geometry alone does not express time. Time is inferred in various ways.
If you want to learn more about Bernard Riemann, I recommend this vid that is based on prime numbers that I discovered their pattern relationship to number 6 using geometry. Professor Ian Stewart of Oxford at the time, confirmed conjecture about prime patterns is correct. I felt so proud of myself, being someone who nearly flunked out of grades in public school and finally just quit after 10th grade. Thank mom and dad for at least getting me to public school to learn how to read. What a blessing to be able to read, and a curse for those people who never learn to read
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlm1aajH6gY
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@Sidewalker
Lets see if im still blocked by faux. Yep
.."wetting"
..." A clean glass surface, by contrast, has -OH groups sticking out of it which readily attach to water molecules through hydrogen bonding; this causes the water to spread out evenly over the surface, or to wet it. A liquid will wet a surface if the angle at which it makes contact with the surface is more than 90°. The value of this contact angle can be predicted from the properties of the liquid and solid separately. "..
.." Wetting
Take a plastic mixing bowl from your kitchen, and splash some water around in it. You will probably observe that the water does not cover the inside surface uniformly, but remains dispersed into drops. The same effect is seen on a dirty windshield; turning on the wipers simply breaks hundreds of drops into thousands. By contrast, water poured over a clean glass surface will wet it, leaving a uniform film. "
Take a plastic mixing bowl from your kitchen, and splash some water around in it. You will probably observe that the water does not cover the inside surface uniformly, but remains dispersed into drops. The same effect is seen on a dirty windshield; turning on the wipers simply breaks hundreds of drops into thousands. By contrast, water poured over a clean glass surface will wet it, leaving a uniform film. "
..." The four electron pairs surrounding the oxygen tend to arrange themselves as far from each other as possible in order to minimize repulsions between these clouds of negative charge. This would ordinarly result in a tetrahedral geometry in which the angle between electron pairs (and therefore the H-O-H bond angle) is 109.5°. However, because the two non-bonding pairs remain closer to the oxygen atom, these exert a stronger repulsion against the two covalent bonding pairs, effectively pushing the two hydrogen atoms closer together. The result is a distorted tetrahedral arrangement in which the H—O—H angle is 104.5°. "..
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431 is a prime number and 431 is the 83rd prime number in linear sequence
430.51 12 87....rounds to 431. To see how Pi/430.5 approximates the Fine Structure Constant to 11 places
FSC = .0.00 72 9735 25 62 78 71 35 75 15 76 12 44 25 34 --has the French 12 digit accuracy of FSC---
Pi/ 430.51 12 87 9986 76 36 65 52 71 49 99 =
.............0.0072 97 35 25 69 3 ---has 11 digit accuracy with 11th position 9--
This latter calculation above came from person using Wolfram calculator.
So is there anything worth while in continuing this exploration, in regards to FSC?
Note: again, the repetition of prime number 31p goes is uniquein that it carries out the number 3 to 7 places 33 33 33 1 is 6 + 1places ergo 7 places each of these iterations is itself a prime number.
Ex 31p > 331p > 3,331p > 33,331p > 333,331p >3,333,331p totals 7 digits/integers in the final set of 3,333,331
Note: properties of 431p LINK
.." 431 squared (4312) is 185761
- 431 cubed (4313) is 80062991
- The square root of 431 is 20.7605394921
- The cube root of 431 is 7.5536888251 "....
Pi/431 = 0.00 72 89078082.... and 431 has only 4 digit accuracy compared to 430.51.......
FSC = .0.00 72 9735 25 62 78 71 35 75 15 76 12 44 25 34 --has the French 12 digit accuracy of FSC---
Im always on lookout in Synergetics for any 430 or 431 references to angles, faces etc. Nothing yet. So many ways to go about arriving at 430 by sum of various angles in the polyedral face and dihedral angles etc. Wont happen in my life time.
This Synergetics link as 480 face triangles
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s09/figs/f86471.html
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Might give you some insight into the process.
Im not looking to create a tetrahedron from a piece of paper.
Im looking to understand why the four perimeter triangles would fold into a 3D tetrahedron, after the entropic --fizzle out-- occurs?
I never gave the original scenario that I once did concern those four perimeter triangles.
It involves ideas of unification of 5-fold icosahedron with 4-fold VE. Normally these two are mathematically incommensurate, because the 5-fold icosa has irrational phi { golden mean } angles 1.618033988749.... in contex of 12 sets of pentagons when connecting vertexes of icosahedron and when connecting those 12 and three golden rectangles that bisect the icosahedron.
My approach to unify 5-fold icosa with 4-fold VE was to bond face of regular icosahedrons surface traingle to the face of one of VE's 8 triangles.
Do these with one 8 icosahedrons with each being attached to one of the VE's 8 triangle faces. Then do the VE jitterbug contraction to the flattened VE.
So the flatten VE and would now have,
four icosahedron bonded to top of the four triangles areas, and,
four icosahedron bonded to the bottom side of the lower four triangles.
And here again, think of the icosahedrons triangle face being subdivided via its 31 conceptual axis spun subdivisions, and,
the VE's triangle triangle faces being subdivided with its conceptual spun axis subdivisions, and now,
These two sets of subdivisions cojoined on the top 8 triangles and bottom 8 triangles of the flattened VE. Ok? See this link again to understand the idea of a conceptually spun, primary set resultant of subdivisions on the triangle of the VE's surface, and the Icosas surface, cojoined.
Look closely and see the main surface triangle is the three --two higher and one lower in graphic-- where many lines cross as if a large set of three airport runways. Ok?
These three connected define the triangle face of a VE and Icosahedron. You can see the shaded right-triangle within the larger triangle. There is six of these Least Common Denomenato right-triangles within the larger triangle. All six are identical, however, that is not relevant just now.
What is relevant is that these are just primary set of subdivision of the larger triangle face. Curved or Euclidean { flat }. As I stated in previous post, the number of subdivisions of this larger triangle can be ultra-high when considering when the VE and Icosa face triangles are subdivided by conceptually spin on primary set of axis then 2ndary, trinary on and on an on to some finite limit.
So with the transoform-able VE{ beacuse of its square faces } as flattened VE with the exposed 8 ultra-high subdivided faces --at entropic ' fizzled out ' heat death of Universe as a single large photon of lowest possible frequency { very cold Universe }--, we are adding the one 3D icosahedron ---structurally all triangles does not flatten out-- and its face is cojoined with the one face of the VE.
4 cojoined faces on top of flatten VE, and,
4 cojonied faces on bottom flatten VE. Ok?
These three connected define the triangle face of a VE and Icosahedron. You can see the shaded right-triangle within the larger triangle. There is six of these Least Common Denomenato right-triangles within the larger triangle. All six are identical, however, that is not relevant just now.
What is relevant is that these are just primary set of subdivision of the larger triangle face. Curved or Euclidean { flat }. As I stated in previous post, the number of subdivisions of this larger triangle can be ultra-high when considering when the VE and Icosa face triangles are subdivided by conceptually spin on primary set of axis then 2ndary, trinary on and on an on to some finite limit.
So with the transoform-able VE{ beacuse of its square faces } as flattened VE with the exposed 8 ultra-high subdivided faces --at entropic ' fizzled out ' heat death of Universe as a single large photon of lowest possible frequency { very cold Universe }--, we are adding the one 3D icosahedron ---structurally all triangles does not flatten out-- and its face is cojoined with the one face of the VE.
4 cojoined faces on top of flatten VE, and,
4 cojonied faces on bottom flatten VE. Ok?
So now comes the three kicker scenarios about those four perimeter triangles and which way the fold.
1} Various possibilities one of which is all infold in same direction to make that tetrahedron, Then there is 4 icosahedron on outer four faces, and four icosahedrons cojoned as one nuclear icosahedron inside the tetrahedron, except they would not fit inside the tetrahedron. Most of the volume would be bulged to outside intefering with the outer set of four icosahedron. First time I had tried to imagine that scenario,
1} Various possibilities one of which is all infold in same direction to make that tetrahedron, Then there is 4 icosahedron on outer four faces, and four icosahedrons cojoned as one nuclear icosahedron inside the tetrahedron, except they would not fit inside the tetrahedron. Most of the volume would be bulged to outside intefering with the outer set of four icosahedron. First time I had tried to imagine that scenario,
2} this is what I thought years ago, is that, since there is only three perimeter triangles of the flattened VE. Ok?
And this is where we come into ideas of why biologics are composed of only left-handed amino-acids, not right-handed amino-acids.
Since there is only three perimeter triangles, two could the same way --ex lower/down-- and the other perimeter triangle could fold higher/up.
This can happen in three differrent ways, --three differrent ways is intriguing thought for future consideration, not now-- yet it is always a two to one ratio. This is like left and right i.e. our Universe decided on the way that creates biologic life that only has left-handed amino-acids. Understand Zed?
Since there is only three perimeter triangles, two could the same way --ex lower/down-- and the other perimeter triangle could fold higher/up.
This can happen in three differrent ways, --three differrent ways is intriguing thought for future consideration, not now-- yet it is always a two to one ratio. This is like left and right i.e. our Universe decided on the way that creates biologic life that only has left-handed amino-acids. Understand Zed?
Well that is enough cosmic scenario imaging for now. Remmber it was you entropic fizzle out universe comments that got me considering options of Universe via the 4-fold VE, and today cojoined with the 5-fold icosahedron.
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Is it possible to do it with one sheet of paper.
Are refering to one of my posts?
The reason the Vector Equilibrium is called that, is because not primarly because all of its chords and radii are conceptually the same length value.
The reason it is calle the VE, is because when it is created from four circlular or hexagonal pieces of paper is because, when that happens, it has,
The reason it is calle the VE, is because when it is created from four circlular or hexagonal pieces of paper is because, when that happens, it has,
24 embracing chords and,
24 radii from nucleus point to each of the 12 surface vertexes.
See grahic B in this link http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s04/figs/f5511.html
What is possible with one piece of paper I have no idea. People doing origami can do amazing things.
There is another scenario I did not give you in post #89 and the questions about why the flatten VE as subdivided triangle has the ability to infold into the 3-fold volumetric tetrahedron.
However before that scenario of the flatten VE, consider this response to your ' does Universe just fizzle out '.
So the VE flattens out to the subdivided triangle could be ultra-micro subdivided into ultra-high number of semingly 2D polygons. Look at this next link to see how when the 4-fold VE --and remmber this;
So the VE flattens out to the subdivided triangle could be ultra-micro subdivided into ultra-high number of semingly 2D polygons. Look at this next link to see how when the 4-fold VE --and remmber this;
1} as the VE contracts it first passes through a phase of the 5-fold icosahedron, and,
2} the 5-fold icosahedron 10 primary conceptual spun axi create 10 great circles, and these define 5 sets of 4-fold VE see >>>http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/Lynn/LynnS54.html
Ok, with that in mind, of the 4-fold VE containing the 5-fold icosahedron and the 5-fold icosahedron containging the 5 sets of VE, we move onto the 73 primary great circles of both the VE and Icosahedron creation on a spherical. See >>> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s11/figs/f3201b.html
That is just set of initial primary great circles or subidividing equaltorial 2D planes. We then create and much larger set of 2ndary conceptual axis spinnings, then a new larger set of trinary conceptual axis sets, so on, so on and son until we get to some ultra-large set of great circle/plane subdivisions. Ok so far?
Now apply all of thes ultra-large set of subdivisions to the flatten VE graphic. Ok? So we may say, that all that exists In Universe, or all least all of the geometric pattern coding for all of the primary types of particles { fermions and bosons } of Universe are in that flatten VE. Ok? So then it expands back outward --the big bang-- developing all that exists once again, till the next entropic, fizzling to the flattened, ultra-high number of seemingly, 2D subdivided VE.
Now apply all of thes ultra-large set of subdivisions to the flatten VE graphic. Ok? So we may say, that all that exists In Universe, or all least all of the geometric pattern coding for all of the primary types of particles { fermions and bosons } of Universe are in that flatten VE. Ok? So then it expands back outward --the big bang-- developing all that exists once again, till the next entropic, fizzling to the flattened, ultra-high number of seemingly, 2D subdivided VE.
I was going to give you another scenario, yet there is so much I just gave you, I cant go there now. Here is the flatten triangle graphic again
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Ah
Can you think of a cosmic idea of why the flattened subdivided triangle would infold to the 3D tetrahedron { not shown }.
Not sure why I cant think of a cosmic idea there. And it can do it in two differrent directions.
If this were cosmic scenario in Euclidean space or curved space, it is almost as if it it would be doing that --not saying Universe does-- a reference point to itself in someway. I dunno
Sorry I dont have good graphics to such ideas.
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Oh yeah Zed, I forgot the link to 3D volumetric VE ---tho sure you've seen it before-- before in infolds to the flattened subdivided triangle.
VE > Octahedron > octa-truss > semi-3D --i.e. superificiall appearing as 2D-- flattend subidivided set of the original 8 surface triangles
VE infold/contract > octahedron > infold to octa-truss > flattened 8 triangles > infold those 8 to a 3D tetrahedron { not shown }.
Simple enough for you to grasp how the four outer triangles of the flattened subdivided triangle, fold to a point to create a 3D tetrahedron.
If there is cosmic angle{ idea/viewpoint } for that last infolding to tetahedron, I dont ever recall thinking of one.
Simple enough for you to grasp how the four outer triangles of the flattened subdivided triangle, fold to a point to create a 3D tetrahedron.
If there is cosmic angle{ idea/viewpoint } for that last infolding to tetahedron, I dont ever recall thinking of one.
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I don't bother now.
Vaccines exist because they work to aid in health. I got the shingles vaccine, the two pneumonias, the three heptatis, RSV, regular flu shots etc.
I still forget what I read about why there are no cold virus vaccines. Seems strange they never happened
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Did you get the mRNA vaccine?
Yes, sorry FL, I see I did not explain clearly --grammatically-- that yes I got all mRNA vaccines plus the booster fro vaccine from around 1960, that, online there was some info that it might help reduce detrimental effect. That is the one I mentioned in #1 above. I forget what that vaccine as a child was for exactly. I think it is the one that left this half-dollar size thingie on our bicept for a week or more afterwards.
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I finally caught the covid the infection three or four days ago. Yay!. I began getting a vaccinesto counter covid even before the first covid vaccines { mRNA } were created and all of these helped to lessen the detrimental effects.
I stayed out of work for 2 days, and plenty of energy on third day so went to work, tho I was little hoarse from darker snot from viri that dribbled into chest from sinuses. I finally got tired around 2:30 PM. Still made my 8 hour day tho.
So today is 4th day and coughing out some darker snot from chest. Interestingly to me is, it is not the typical dark green or lighter yellow Ive had from several colds or flus in past years. It seems to be a color between of dark yellow between the dark green and lighter yellow.
It is possible I will have a relapse in days ahead, however, I think not, because these days I use neti-pot saline solution as well as other stuff, ---ex beta-glucans shiitake etc--- much more than I did in past years.
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I think that I suggested that.
You may have Zed, yet your not using those words.
Unfortunately we cannot see billions of years into the future.
We can and do anticipate this or that, based on what we humans have observed and this is why in the late 1800's scientists invoked concept of 1st law of thermodynamic conservation ...naught is created nor destroyed ergo eternally.
So we make best guesses based upon current understanding.
Thats correct Zed. Humans assume the fermionic proton has a natural decay rate based on most or all of other known fermions having a natural decay rate.
Five and only five regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra are not a guess. Humans know ---not a guess-- there are eternally exist cosmic principles ergo finite limits of what is possible with Universe or the parts compose it.
And as the Universe progresses and understanding develops, then so do best guesses develop also.
Ive been sick and tired for two days with covid for the first time Zed. So sorry if I ended with not much reply last time. Ex you mention entropy and does Universe just fizzle out. Well of course eternally existent means Universe does not fizzle out ---naught is destroyed----.
After good nights sleep, I realized an a possible transformation of Universe that is likened to your fizzle out comment is that of the older idea of heat death of Universe via entropy.
1} >>>simplest answer<<< I ever read of that, ---and have offerrred various geometric scenarios here at DArt addressing Heat Death of Universe over the years--- was that Universe becomes one very ultra-large, ultra-long wave { low frequency } --ergo nearly flat-- single photon. In this scenario no total energy is lost, only spread out, even tho it is a finite, limited lowest frequency of EMRadiation.
1} >>>simplest answer<<< I ever read of that, ---and have offerrred various geometric scenarios here at DArt addressing Heat Death of Universe over the years--- was that Universe becomes one very ultra-large, ultra-long wave { low frequency } --ergo nearly flat-- single photon. In this scenario no total energy is lost, only spread out, even tho it is a finite, limited lowest frequency of EMRadiation.
The sum total of energy of Universe still exists, and only transformed to an ultra-large { spread out } pattern of existence of all of its occupied space energy.
At that time, and to this day I offer this Euclidean --static not dynamic-- graphic of the 3D Vector Equlibrium{ VE } aka a cubo-octahedron as a flatten subdivided triangle defined by the original 8 surface triangles of the VE. A finite 3D volume flattened and spread out to very thin, yet never loosing its structural { triangulated } integrity.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s04/figs/f6108.html
At that time, and to this day I offer this Euclidean --static not dynamic-- graphic of the 3D Vector Equlibrium{ VE } aka a cubo-octahedron as a flatten subdivided triangle defined by the original 8 surface triangles of the VE. A finite 3D volume flattened and spread out to very thin, yet never loosing its structural { triangulated } integrity.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s04/figs/f6108.html
From the semi-flattened out 2D version, it unfolds back to the easily visisble 3D VE, does this infolding collaspe { Heat Deat semi-2D } and the out-folding expansion to the visible 3D volume, repeat eternally
I wont go into the more complex versions of this I presented over the years
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Elon Musk. Saint or sinner? Dangerously clever or cleverly dangerous?
Saint is a joke, yes?
Technologically savy intellectual for sure.
Technologically savy intellectual for sure.
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Its real simple Zed, eternally regenerative, dynamically, transforming, occupied space Universe.
If you cant grasp this simple scenario, then not much I else I can say over and over again to aid you understanding the above.
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Time and Space are eternal potential.
Potential what specifically? Observed { quantised and quantified } time and space { occupied and truly non-occupied } exist and that I agree with.
Stuff is that which occupies and develops.
Occupied space Ive already laid out clearly many times. A something and your preference is word stuff. Ok
Occupied space Universe is dynamically transformative and you prefer word ' develops '. Ok
Occupied space Universe is dynamically transformative and you prefer word ' develops '. Ok
Interim events are relative occurrences and development.
' Interim ' .." in the meanetime "....Yes we wever established many times occupied space events and interim time between various events exists. within context of Einstiens relativity. I agree
Relative to Time, Space and Stuff.
Relativity { Einstein } exists in respect to time and occupied space { stuff? }, yes. Of course.
As a thinking organism caught up in universal events, I would suggest that the above is a basic understanding of the universe, rather than a belief.
Yes, as a human organism Ive been stating all of this for years without use of --or much use of--- words stuff, interim. Many synonyms exist. Ok
All humans --that includes Zed--- have beliefs based on their observations and resultant understandings of those observations. Ive been laying that out clearly for years. Great!
All humans --that includes Zed--- have beliefs based on their observations and resultant understandings of those observations. Ive been laying that out clearly for years. Great!
Other than that, I speculate as to whether or not a universe is predestined, either by influence, or more so by physical law, to inevitably proceed in a certain way towards a conclusion.
Finite, occupied space Universe is eternally existent. 1st law of thermodynamics is one law of two laws of conserveration that point in direction of such eternal existence.
Naught is created nor destroyed only transformed, and again Ive bee saying that for years. Ergo eternally existent
If you agree, then that is great, If you dont, then I think your lacking some logical, common sense critical thinking on that specific issue.
Given that we think we exist and are aware of material development, especially in terms of technological progress, I therefore also speculate upon why this would be so.
So you like words material and stuff. I prefer two words that covers all those synonyms. Occupied space. Simple, no confusion with what is meant.
Development = eternally existent, dynamic transformations our finite, occupied space Universe. Clear and simple.
Yes humans think they exist. And with good reason. If others want to question whether they exist, tap there self on head with knucles and feel and hear. Simple.
Yes humans think they exist. And with good reason. If others want to question whether they exist, tap there self on head with knucles and feel and hear. Simple.
By chance or for a purpose.
Only humans apply/assign a ' purpose ' for any and all actions, including the eternally existent, dynamically transforming, finite, occupied space Universe.
Universe just IS. Universe does not contemplate a purpose. If you think it does, then conditioning has led to some incorrect belief system.
Universe just IS. Universe does not contemplate a purpose. If you think it does, then conditioning has led to some incorrect belief system.
I then further speculate as to whether the unfulfillment of any role within a universal process would therefore lead to a universal failure.
1st laws, naught is created nor destroyed --your word is failure-- only in eternal dynamic transformation. teh 1st law integrity and humans observe integrity in techological creations by humans ---ex structure { triangulation of walls } of house, and biologic cells that live and die. Yes there are the immortal jelly fish that return to there polystage, so it appears there is a core there of biology that does not disintegrate.
Been while since I researched those jellies. However, there cells may very well die off even as new ones grow. THink of salamander that have cells that regrow a leg.
Yet, if the core poly of jellie is no in proper water environment the integrity disintegrates.
We dont know that the proton has a natural decay rate, yet is pressumed it has one, only that is many years before it occurs
Been while since I researched those jellies. However, there cells may very well die off even as new ones grow. THink of salamander that have cells that regrow a leg.
Yet, if the core poly of jellie is no in proper water environment the integrity disintegrates.
We dont know that the proton has a natural decay rate, yet is pressumed it has one, only that is many years before it occurs
For example, the inability to reinitiate from an entropic state to an ectropic state....The GOD principle if you like.
I have no idea what your God principle is. Even after all these years of you repeating such words.
Eternally dynamic, transformative, finite, occupied Universe. Ive been very clear with use your words above
Eternally dynamic, transformative, finite, occupied Universe. Ive been very clear with use your words above
And of course, the thinking organism will inevitably wonder how matter can exist at all.
Yeah Universe and all of is part are strange. The more we observe some of those parts, the more the become less strange to us.
A stranger is someone we have not met before. Over time they become less strange to us we get to know them. Generally speaking we find the commnalities with ourselves and for most part all is cool
There is of course those whose behaviiour is a little to strange and may make us uncomfortable so we may try and avoid them. So it goes.
There is no avoiding the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, except with death of the biologic organsims that is eaten/absorbed by bacteria > fungus > fertiliszer/syntropic integration with forest, etc. Eternally dynamic transformations of biologic life, unless it is killed off on Earth or elesewhere in Universe
There is no avoiding the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, except with death of the biologic organsims that is eaten/absorbed by bacteria > fungus > fertiliszer/syntropic integration with forest, etc. Eternally dynamic transformations of biologic life, unless it is killed off on Earth or elesewhere in Universe
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