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Infinite Universal regeneration.

How long is the life of a Universe?
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Oh yeah Zed, I forgot the link to 3D volumetric VE ---tho sure you've seen it before-- before in infolds to the flattened subdivided triangle.

VE > Octahedron > octa-truss > semi-3D --i.e. superificiall appearing as 2D--  flattend subidivided set of the original 8 surface triangles

VE infold/contract > octahedron > infold to octa-truss > flattened 8 triangles > infold those 8 to a 3D tetrahedron { not shown }.

Simple enough for you to grasp how the four outer triangles of the flattened subdivided triangle, fold to a point to create a 3D tetrahedron.

If there is cosmic angle{ idea/viewpoint } for that last infolding to tetahedron, I dont ever recall thinking of one.
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Ah.
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Ah

Can you think of a cosmic idea of why the flattened subdivided triangle would infold to  the 3D tetrahedron { not shown }.

Not sure why I cant think of a cosmic idea there.  And it can do it in two differrent directions.

If this were cosmic scenario in Euclidean space or curved space, it is almost as if it it would be doing that --not saying Universe does--   a reference point to itself in someway. I dunno

Sorry I dont have good graphics to such ideas.

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Infinite Universal regeneration.

How long is the life of a Universe?
Make a guess.
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Supposedly 13.8 billion years so far.

I doubt that it's halfway yet.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

50 billion years.

What do you think.


Is it possible to do it with one sheet of paper.
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Supposedly 13.8 billion years so far.

I doubt that it's halfway yet.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

50 billion years.

What do you think.


Is it possible to do it with one sheet of paper.


about 6000 years
Concerning the age of the Earth, the Bible's genealogical records combined with the Genesis 1 account of creation are used to estimate an age for the Earth and universe of about 6000 years, with a bit of uncertainty on the completeness of the genealogical records, allowing for a few thousand years more.

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Yep.

If you believe that you'll believe anything.
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Yep.

If you believe that you'll believe anything.
It’s based on the Bible that 2 billion Christian’s follow.
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Well, how such statistics are calculated is questionable.

For example, I was baptized, but I am atheist.

Did they include me in that statistic.

And I just did a brief search, and one study suggests that only 500 million people are atheist.

But this doesn't mean that only 500 million are non-christian.

Based upon your statistic over 6 billion are non-christian.

Though how many baptized christians actually accept the bible at face value anyway.
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Is it possible to do it with one sheet of paper.
Are refering to one of my posts?

The reason the Vector Equilibrium is called that, is because not primarly because all of its chords and radii are conceptually the same length value.

The reason it is calle the VE, is because when it is created from four circlular or hexagonal pieces of paper is because, when that happens, it has,

24 embracing chords and,

24 radii from nucleus point to each of the 12 surface vertexes.

What is possible with one piece of paper I have no idea. People doing origami  can do amazing things.

There is another scenario I did not give you in post #89 and the questions about why the flatten VE as subdivided triangle has the ability to infold into the 3-fold volumetric tetrahedron.

However before that scenario of the flatten VE, consider this response to your ' does Universe just fizzle out '.

So the VE flattens out to the subdivided triangle could be ultra-micro subdivided into ultra-high number of semingly 2D polygons.  Look at this next link to see how when the 4-fold VE --and remmber this;

1} as the VE contracts it first passes through a phase of the 5-fold icosahedron, and, 

2} the 5-fold icosahedron 10 primary conceptual spun axi create 10 great circles, and these define 5 sets of 4-fold VE see >>>http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/Lynn/LynnS54.html

Ok, with that in mind, of the 4-fold VE containing the 5-fold icosahedron and the 5-fold icosahedron containging the 5 sets of VE, we move onto the 73 primary great circles of both the VE and Icosahedron creation on a spherical. See >>> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s11/figs/f3201b.html

That is just set of initial primary great circles or subidividing equaltorial 2D planes. We then create and much larger set of 2ndary conceptual axis spinnings, then a new larger set of trinary conceptual axis sets, so on, so on and son until we get to some ultra-large set of great circle/plane subdivisions. Ok so far?

Now apply all  of thes ultra-large set of subdivisions to the flatten VE graphic. Ok?  So we may say, that all that exists In Universe, or all least all of the geometric pattern coding for all of the primary types of particles { fermions and bosons } of Universe are in that flatten VE. Ok? So then it expands back outward --the big bang-- developing all that exists once again, till the next entropic, fizzling to the flattened, ultra-high number of seemingly, 2D subdivided VE.

I was going to give you another scenario, yet there is so much I just gave you, I cant go there now. Here is the flatten triangle graphic again

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Yep .

Using a sheet of paper, create a 3D tetrahedron.

Might give you some insight into the process.

Basic science.
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Might give you some insight into the process.

Im not looking to create a tetrahedron from a piece of paper.

Im looking to understand why the four perimeter triangles would fold into a 3D tetrahedron, after the entropic --fizzle out-- occurs?

I never gave the original scenario that I once did concern those four perimeter triangles.

It involves ideas of unification of 5-fold icosahedron with 4-fold VE.  Normally these two are mathematically incommensurate, because the 5-fold icosa has irrational phi { golden mean } angles 1.618033988749.... in contex of 12 sets of pentagons when connecting vertexes of icosahedron and when connecting those 12 and three golden rectangles that bisect the icosahedron.

My approach to unify 5-fold icosa with 4-fold VE was to bond face of regular icosahedrons surface traingle to the face of one of VE's 8 triangles.

Do these with one 8 icosahedrons with each being attached to one of the VE's 8 triangle faces.  Then do the VE jitterbug contraction to the flattened VE.

So the flatten VE and would now have,

four icosahedron bonded to top of the four triangles areas, and,
four icosahedron bonded to the bottom side of the lower four triangles.

And here again, think of the icosahedrons triangle face being subdivided via its 31 conceptual axis spun subdivisions, and,

the VE's triangle triangle faces being subdivided with its conceptual spun axis subdivisions, and now,

These two sets of subdivisions cojoined on the top 8 triangles and bottom 8 triangles of the flattened VE. Ok? See this link again to understand the idea of a conceptually spun, primary set resultant of  subdivisions on the triangle of the VE's surface, and the Icosas surface, cojoined.

Look closely and see the main surface triangle is the three --two higher and one lower in graphic-- where many lines cross as if a large set of three airport runways. Ok?

These three connected define the triangle face of a VE and Icosahedron.  You can see the shaded right-triangle within the larger triangle. There is six of these Least Common Denomenato right-triangles within the larger triangle. All six are identical, however, that is not relevant just now.

What is relevant is that these are just primary set of subdivision of the larger triangle face. Curved or Euclidean { flat }.  As I stated in previous post, the number of subdivisions of this larger triangle can be ultra-high when considering when the VE and Icosa face triangles are subdivided by conceptually spin on primary set of axis then 2ndary, trinary on and on an on to some finite limit.

So with the transoform-able VE{ beacuse of its square faces } as flattened VE with the  exposed 8 ultra-high subdivided faces --at entropic ' fizzled out ' heat death of Universe as a single large photon of lowest possible frequency { very cold Universe }--, we are adding the one 3D icosahedron ---structurally all triangles does not flatten out-- and its face is cojoined with the one face of the VE.

4 cojoined faces on top of flatten VE, and,
4 cojonied faces on bottom flatten VE. Ok?

So now comes the three kicker scenarios about those four perimeter triangles and which way the fold. 

1} Various possibilities one of which is all infold in same direction to make that tetrahedron, Then there is 4 icosahedron on outer four faces, and four icosahedrons cojoned as one nuclear icosahedron inside the tetrahedron, except they would not fit inside the tetrahedron. Most of the volume would be bulged to outside intefering with the outer set of four icosahedron.  First time I had tried to imagine that scenario,

2} this is what I thought years ago, is that, since there is only three perimeter triangles of the flattened VE. Ok?
And this is where we come into ideas of why biologics are composed of only left-handed amino-acids, not right-handed amino-acids.

Since there is only three perimeter triangles, two could the same way --ex lower/down-- and the other perimeter triangle could fold higher/up. 

This can happen in three differrent ways, --three differrent ways is intriguing thought for future consideration, not now--  yet it is always a two to one ratio. This is like left and right i.e. our Universe decided on the way that creates biologic life that only has left-handed amino-acids. Understand Zed? 

Well that is enough cosmic scenario imaging for now. Remmber it was you entropic fizzle out universe comments that got me considering options of Universe via the 4-fold VE, and today cojoined with the 5-fold icosahedron.
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Well, how such statistics are calculated is questionable.

For example, I was baptized, but I am atheist.

Did they include me in that statistic.

And I just did a brief search, and one study suggests that only 500 million people are atheist.

But this doesn't mean that only 500 million are non-christian.

Based upon your statistic over 6 billion are non-christian.

Though how many baptized christians actually accept the bible at face value anyway.
The stats no longer favour Christians. Muslims will overtake the Christians in the near future.
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Muslims will overtake the Christians in the near future.
Do you think that this is Universally significant.


Despite religious clubs, people are generally progressive.


Religious clubs are more to do with old racial sub-divisions, rather than theological ideology.

Same GOD, different club membership and worship rituals...

But we don't like the way you look and dress.
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Well Ebuc.

I will have to take your word for most of that.

But if all amino acids are lefthanded then that is easy to understand.

Nonetheless, minimal research tells me that this is not wholly correct.

Mirror pairs are usually abundant in proteins.

Though living structures only utilise lefthanded ones. 



Entropic fizzle out...Yep I'll take the credit for that ground-breaking  bit of terminology.



So in terms of time and space events, what would constitute a perimeter triangle.

And though basic, I still think that the paper experiment might be beneficial.


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I will have to take your word for most of that.

Zed, If your refering to  4 and 5-fold geometric ideas associated heat death and regenerative rebirth of Universe, I would have consider the immortal jellyfish that, return to polyphase of life, and regrow to full bloom phase of jellyfish again, and again and again etc.   Wild when I first heard of them and still wild

Jellies are the genetically oldest animals from long before dinosaurs etc.

But if all amino acids are left handed then that is easy to understand.

All amino-acids that compose biologic life, are left-handed, is what Ive read, going back 30 years or more.

Nonetheless, minimal research tells me that this is not wholly correct.
Mirror pairs are usually abundant in proteins.

Mirror pairs may exist, Ive just never heard of their existence in biologic life. Perhaps there is new information Im not aware of. Do you have link to this info to share?

Though living structures only utilise lefthanded ones. 

Oh, so were back to what I was saying.  The key word here above is biologic life does not ' utilize '  left handed amino-acids, yet some protein of biologic life do.

That sounds contradictory. I would like for you to share the link to this info so i can better understand the specifics. 

Entropic fizzle out...Yep I'll take the credit for that ground-breaking  bit of terminology.

Fine except, ' fizzle out ' to me implies, occupied space something-ness, becoming destroyed into nothing-ness. That would violate the 1st law of thermodynamics.

Ive been clear all my adult life, that, I dont believe that happens. More and more in last 30 years, fewer and fewer people believe that is possible to occur. Naught is created nor destroyed, only transformed. I tend to think you keep wanting to find away around human assigned law, based emperical evidence of observations.

Heat Death only means a very cold Universe in future.  We dont here this scenario much any more, and that may because of the info of the accelerating expanding Universe dubbed Dark Energy, in the 1990's

So in terms of time and space events, what would constitute a perimeter triangle.
H,mm not sure how to approach your question.  First some review, and I will try to approach with a response at bottom of this post.
Purely based on view of Synegetics Vector Equilibrium, that, Fuller refers to as, the closet we will ever come to knowing God, because of four great circle/hexagonal planes, when constructed out infolded pieces of paper, have equal amount of 24 outer chords and 24 internal radii. Each of the four, bow-tie sections has 6 radii and 6 outer surface chords, ergo the total of the four bow-ties is 24 chords and 24 radii and hence Fullers naming of such geometry as God-like balance of perfect equlibrium.

Of course the VE is asymmetrical, and not symmetrical, so, equilibrium in one set of ways tho not with its shape of surface triangles and squares.

However, as presented, the VE/jitterbug transforms into 16 triangles via the collapse of the squares into 8 triangles along with the original 8 surface triangles, so actually that is and equlibrium also. In the graphic take not, that the quadra bonded/valenced tetrahedron = 4 sides via four triangles on each side, ergo, 4 * 4 = 16 triangles.

And though basic, I still think that the paper experiment might be beneficial.

Piece of paper do what specifically Zed? What experiment?

So in terms of time and space events, what would constitute a perimeter triangle.
Space first....Zed, purely in terms of the geometry of Synergetics --not my 2D field lattice and its 2D space-time torus expression that, I associate with all of the 2D great circle planes in Synergetics--   a triangle is finite space, yes, Zed?

A triangle defines a 2D, finite area of space, yes Zed? With Euclidean triangle all three angles sum to 180 degrees when the base unit is 360.  That to me is the most basic, and obvioous correct answer to you question.

And again, Euclidean triangles are simple conceptual constructs, unlike Riemann curves and spheres that get into imaginary number that lead to complex number that are both negative and positive.  If you want a little taste of Riemann try this link --Einstein used Riemann and his maths---   and Riemann has ideas related to the Zeta function ergo to prime number patterns and something called the critical line of zero's. 

If we gradually curved the three lines of the area outward we have the Riemann positive curve, where addiditon of the three angles sums to more than 180 degrees, and,

if we curve them inward{ Lobsveskian } the sum of the three angles is always less than 180 degrees

Time....Zed, time cannot be expressed with geometry alone. In Synergetics Fuller refers to the chords and radii as vectors --i.e. have a magnitude and a direction---.  For Fuller the radii of the VE are outward directional vectors,  <---out--->

for the perimeter chords, they are inward towards each other as if graviational -----><-------. Go to this link to see a simple graphic by Fuller.  You may have to scroll to bottom of page click zoom to read the print.

Fuller states that time is frequency | | | | | or ^v^v^ i.e. we have and event, then another event, then another event, and that is the best way expressed with geometric pattern the concept of time.  beginning terminal of event and ending terminal of event invokes a conceputal time, and frequency infers observed periods of time having |------->beginnings, ----duration { Zed use this term is past :--))---> endings --->|

Hope that aids both our understanding in regards to basics of space and time in static Euclidean and curved geometries.

I think my 2D lattice patter of a field that transpose to a 3D space-time torus is better expression, however, geometry alone does not express time. Time is inferred in various ways.   

If you want to learn more about Bernard Riemann, I recommend this vid that is based on prime numbers that I discovered their pattern relationship to number 6 using geometry. Professor Ian Stewart of Oxford at the time, confirmed conjecture about prime patterns is correct. I felt so proud of myself, being someone who nearly flunked out of grades in public school and finally just quit after 10th grade.  Thank mom and dad for at least getting me to public school to learn how to read.  What a blessing to be able to read, and a curse for those people who never learn to read
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Muslims will overtake the Christians in the near future.
Do you think that this is Universally significant.
Christians will be surrounded by Muslims and Jews that don’t believe their God Jesus is relevant.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.

If there is a GOD I'm guessing that there will only be one universally significant GOD.

And the Jewish Christian and Muslim GOD are all derived of the same tales, anyway.

The HIndu's still have some whacky ones, but we tend not to discuss them.


Though 90 something percent of the time, most of my Muslim colleagues out of necessity, behave the same as me. 

I don't get to see the superstitious stuff.

And they tend not to mention it.
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Entropic fizzle out...Yep I'll take the credit for that ground-breaking  bit of terminology.

These jellies, like Universe. do not ' fizzle out '.

..." When the medusa of this species is physically damaged or experiences stresses such as starvation, instead of dying it shrinks in on itself, reabsorbing its tentacles and losing the ability to swim. It then settles on the seafloor as a blob-like cyst.

Over the next 24-36 hours, this blob develops into a new polyp - the jellyfish's previous life stage - and after maturing, medusae bud off. This phenomenon has been likened to that of a butterfly which, instead of dying, would be able to transform back into a caterpillar and then metamorphose into an adult butterfly once again.

The process behind the jellyfish's remarkable transformation is called transdifferentiation and is extremely rare.

Medusa cells and polyp cells are different - some cells and organs only occur in the polyp, others only in the adult jellyfish. Transdifferentiation reprogrammes the medusa's specialised cells to become specialised polyp cells, allowing the jellyfish to regrow themselves in an entirely different body plan to the free-swimming jellyfish they had recently been.

They can then mature again from there as normal, producing new, genetically identical medusae.
This life cycle reversal can be repeated, and in perfect conditions, it may be that these jellyfish would never die of old age.". 

Universe, never ever has entropy, however, it never ever ' fizzles out ' of occupied space existence.

We may perhaps even imagined the the eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, returns to a more pure existence as a cosmic field.

.......1...........5p...7p..........11p...13p............17p..........loops around to meet itself, tho  not cojoined as one nodal event 17p/0
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18/0.................6.....................12........................18/0...loops around to meet itself to become cojoined as the same nodal event 18/0
.............3p..................9........................15.....................loops around to meet itself tho not cojoined as a signle nodal event  15/3p
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.........2p.....4............8....10...............14....16..................loops around to meet itself, tho not  cojoined as a single nodal event 16/2p.

..1..2p..4... define a triangle  with 3p as nucleus

..5p..7p..8 define a triangle with 6 as nucleus

...10....11p...13p...define a triangle with 12 as nucleus

#9 nodal event is the ' Disquietude, Odd Ball Out ' of this prior defined, triangular based, truncated only two opposite ends,  di-pyramid polyhedron.

This wolffram di-pyramid is not truncated on two opposite ends. If it were, it would triangle on two opposites ends, and triangle at mid-girth.... |  |   |...

It would have four nuclei ...|-...|-.....9...-|.. with #9 not occupying the already filled, triangular plane areas with nuclei.

It is 13 nodal events ergo 13^2 = 169, minus 13 = 156, divided by 2 = 78 lines-of-relationship in total, however, it does not ever exist in isolation from the greater field
set that includes 14...16...17p.... with nucleus 15 ergo a fourth triangular set, outside of the prior mentioned, triangular based, truncated, di-pyramid.

This leaves as another kind of Odd Ball Out, via the 18/0 situation. Dont have cosmic conclusion for you on that situation yet, other than it serves primary purpose of closure via is beeing the terminal end nodal event, to meet the terminal begining  nodal event, 0.

18/0^2 = 324, minus 18 = 306, divided by 2 = 153 lines-of-relationship total for this minimal primary field of existence, as finite, occupied space existence.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s02/figs/tb2701.html aka lines-of-relationship have and underlying order, not chaos.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.

If there is a GOD I'm guessing that there will only be one universally significant GOD.

And the Jewish Christian and Muslim GOD are all derived of the same tales, anyway.

The HIndu's still have some whacky ones, but we tend not to discuss them.


Though 90 something percent of the time, most of my Muslim colleagues out of necessity, behave the same as me. 

I don't get to see the superstitious stuff.

And they tend not to mention it.
Trump is changing how Americans accept God by tying the Bible to the US constitution which he can easily change. According to Trump the Bible has to follow the American constitution and a copy of the constitution should accompany every bible sold.
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Ah well.

Trump will die eventually.

Unless he's a Jelly fish.

See ebuc.
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Ah well.

Trump will die eventually.

Unless he's a Jelly fish.

See ebuc.
Trump doesn’t like seafood. He is a cheese burger type. Less complicated.
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Less complicated, more chance of heart problems.
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Less complicated, more chance of heart problems.
Tell that to Trump!

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No way.

Let him enjoy burgers whilst he can.


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No way.

Let him enjoy burgers whilst he can.
You would make a very supportive wife to Trump.
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1} no creator-of-Universe God exists except as a Meta-space mind/intellectual concept,
The universe does exist as a physical reality. It is not just a concept.  If that were the case, then please provide for me your bank account details, after all, it's only a construct. And tomorrow you can put some more concepts into your construct.

2} ancient life can be so awful that to find something to have faith or belief in, is an effort to bring peace to desperate peoples,
It's not just ancient life. It's any time - where people have moved away from God, the God who created the universe. But hey, if it's just a concept or a construct, just change it. 

3} Christianity was spread via violent force, for the most part, if understand history correctly --im no expert---,
Glad to see you admit you are not an expert. you are incorrect about Christianity being spread for the most part by violence.  It may well be true that "A" concept of Christianity has been spread by violence, in particular during the crusades. But that is a distorted concept of Christianity. For the most part - and history defintely reveals that for the first four hundred years, it was spread by influence of the love and grace of the Christians. And i would suggest that overall, for the most part it is still love and grace that spreads the true concept of Christianity. 

4} a common cause, belief or faith is good for the social condition to celebrate as one humanity under the stars { Sol } ---Universe---,
It stands to reason that if everyone believes the same thing that there will be a certain amount of unity. It however is not necessary that means it will be good for humanity. Take china as a example. They hold mostly to the same view - primarily by force and threat of harm if not, this doesn't mean it is good for the society. At least from eyes outside of China, whereas inside, it is seen as the greatest good. 

5} people need each other for support, for the most part, and they need to find commonality to avoid violence, or, to fight violence with violence.
Yes that's true. But sometimes - it is necessary to stand against tyranny.

...All-for-one and one-for-all... is the most important spiritual belief for humanity in general.
Nope, that's just Chinese philosophy. Or perhaps a humanist position. It doesn't have anything to do with truth or morals. 


AI....."Divide and conquer" is a strategy that involves causing division among people to weaken them and make them easier to control.It can be used in many contexts, including politics, business, and personal relationships ".....
Yes, one of the key strategies used by governments like China against the West. 

Universe divides into Fermionic matter { fields } and Bosonic forces { fields } and each of those has its subdivided particles { fields }. 
Okay. I don't have any clue and can't be bothered looking them up. 


Why? Is just eternally that way?  With an eternally existent occupied space Universe, do there exist times of only one common field?

Not sure what you mean. Perhaps if you unpack that - I might have a response. 

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Ah.

What is a tetrahedral shape in 3D?

The tetrahedron is the three-dimensional case of the more general concept of a Euclidean simplex, and may thus also be called a 3-simplex. The tetrahedron is one kind of pyramid, which is a polyhedron with a flat polygon base and triangular faces connecting the base to a common point.

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Cheers.

TradeS, cheers to you too. I think youve misinterpretated some of my comments.  

Sorry Im busy now, and preparing for 5 hour surgery tommorrow.

Cheers Eb