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Baiting. For a group that claims to be so above the rest of us you're awfully good at being shallow and petty.
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Never suggest people on this site have a nice day, especially if it's a day off work cuz it's a federal holiday.
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No one is required to prove or provide evidence for person thoughts or beliefs.
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@Stephen
None of my posts have anything to do with the Bible and you know it.
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Since we are part of God there's no way that anything we experience it doesn't experience. So I believe God experiences all kinds of things like happiness and joy and humor. Whenever people attribute certain things to God I just assume that they are basing that on their own experience. So when you say God looks at people as a novelty then you look at people as a novelty. I'm not sure you meant that as a compliment but more of an insult so I'm not sure how to take that.
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I don't have to prove anything it has nothing to do with proof. Atheist don't want religion to be practiced because they don't do it it's as simple as that it's basic bigotry.
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There's actual stories that explain what they mean by good.
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Turns out God is a computer programmer. Who knew, the atheists. LOL
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Atheist: there's no way a book could be right but a movie is 100% correct. Hypocrites.
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@FLRW
You don't offer any more truth than anyone else and you are a complete hypocrite. Go engage with the computer simulation that nobody's running.
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@FLRW
I don't have any desire to discuss string theory or anything else with you. You're one of those like the other jerk off who come on here and claim how everybody's a dumbass and only atheist know what's going on in the world and then start spouting off about how this is all computer simulation but nobody runs the computer. Or better yet oh I'm an atheist but actually I'm a deist cuz I believe something created the universe I can't say it's anything like a God because I don't believe in a God that would make me stupid like the other God people. The only people that cares about this hypocritical bullcrap where everybody claims to be an atheist but then they claim something's running the universe but it's just not God are the other hypocrite "atheists not atheist".
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You know these constant posts by a certain number constantly referring to people's gender and race and him allowed to continue to do it over and over again is complete and utter b*******.
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@janesix
You believing something to be true for you doesn't mean it's true for anybody else. And your lack of confidence doesn't need to transfer to anyone else.
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So now we've gone from there's no way anything could have created the universe to this is a computer simulation with a computer that nobody's running. Do people even listen to themselves freaking talk.
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If God created everything including us then we are God.
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I think saying Hitler was sent to teach a lesson implies that something sent him. Who would send Hitler to kill so many people as a way of teaching? That sounds vindictive and arbitrary. Not to mention cruel and mean. If that is you infinite intelligence, then I could not in good faith worship such a thing
Says a guy ok with the flood and hell. Guess when your exempt cause it's your god it's ok.
You are correct. both of us can't be right. both of us could be wrong. Yet if i am wrong, then the worst that can happen - is I end up in heaven. On the other hand, you, if you are wrong, then you have a nasty future ahead of you. Either way, I cannot lose. You on the other hand - better be right for your sake.
I don't have to threaten people in my belief. Makes you wonder why you need to in yours.
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Sorry for your loss. My personal take would be she probably came by to see you before she went on because she hadn't seen you in so long. It's also my impression whenever we think of someone that's passed they kind of hear that and come and check on you but that's my personal opinion. Can't verify any of it.
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You do realize that the United States is 50 countries under one Constitution. It is up to each state to do what it's going to do for its citizenry the federal government is not supposed to dictate anything outside of jurisdiction to the states. They were supposed to hand her international borders, international roads and policies regarding Federal properties within the states. This idea that the United States should work under one thing like Sweden or France makes no sense we have 50 Swedens and 50 Frances and populations don't necessarily want to do those things. Hawaiians don't even want mainlanders going to their state let alone have them governing policy for them.
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@Conway
I really don't care it's the facts.
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@ILikePie5
They fought to destroy the union of the United States. All so they could treat people like animals. History has shown them to be on the wrong side.
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The idea that computers that are machines which do what we tell them to do could eventually develop artificial intelligence and become cognizant beings is totally believable. But, believe in the idea that the void that was nothingness could eventually develop intelligence and become a cognizant being makes someone a schizophrenic, moron, douchebag just shows the level that people will go to to make themselves feel like they're better than everyone else around them. It should be classified as a type of narcissism.
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@EtrnlVw
He realizes he's been sounding quite bigoted towards theists lately so he's covering his ass as they say. Until literally like 3 days ago he's never said a goddamn thing about being a possible "deist". It's flat out dishonesty which is what he's here to call all the rest of us out on.
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This isn't the politics forum. I know the atheists have to take dumps in front of theists randomly to feel better, they to keep them in the right toilet.
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@Double_R
This is why when it comes to how you live your life there are only two possibilities. To explain with an analogy, think of a criminal trial. There is no “I don’t know” verdict. Why? Because we can either proceed as if the defendant were guilty (by sentencing him) or we will proceed as if he were innocent (by setting him free). There’s no rational middle ground here. How many years does “I don’t know” justify locking someone up for?
Actually it's guilty or not guilty. A jury can feel a person is guilty but the case was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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@MonkeyKing
Regular offerings of food and drink. Communication and maintaining an altar. Special ritual work.
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@MonkeyKing
I find your position especially interesting here. So you belief is centered largely on a sense of duty and responsibility from what I gather? In my personal experience, the larger masses keep their inner belief because it's what gets them through rather than practicing something because of an obligation to others. If you don't mind me asking, what invokes that sense of duty? You mentioned that if you didn't hold your belief it would be hypocritical, why is that the case?
I know from personal experience that spirit exist. To ignore that would be hypocritical. I feel the need to engage and do for them as they also do for me the same as I would a living person. I might have misunderstood the question. I thought you were asking what do you get to as a benefit from my belief. Not a factor for my belief. Caring for my dead us a priority even over working with the gods.
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@Double_R
Yes I think it's hysterical for an atheist to tell anybody in any religion how they should freaking practice that religion. And if you could care less don't freaking address it
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If I believe that that's true then yes it would be not only lazy but a lie for me to live in a way that does not honor them the way I'm supposed to.
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Everyone is responsible for their own actions I don't know where the hell that statement even comes from. I continue to engage in my practice because I can't believe that there are dead relatives and spirits around me and just ignore that and not honor them the way I should. It's lazy.
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I love watching liberals who have talked about life and being the party that's truly about life talk about just depopulating the world to a point where they're more comfortable with the number of people that exist. I guess as long as it's not them and their family
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@Double_R
If my username gives you the impression I'm a Christian then there's nothing I can say to you.
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There's the "your all mentally ill" argument finally popping up.
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Watching atheists tell people they have to believe every word if the Bible is fact to be Christian is hysterical.
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I don't believe Hell exists. Punishment is self inflicted. We are always progressing.
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Yes. I believe there is a one source creative force and that the beings we call gods exist. I believe there are other beings similar to them that exist that we don't know of. I believe they do not exist in our 3D plane. My reason for that view is personal experience and meditative practice.
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@Tradesecret
When you mean all things - do you mean living things - like animals and birds and fish? Would you also include trees and shrubs etc.? And what about rocks and earth and fire? Would you also possibly include angels and demons etc?
All things. People, beings, rocks, elements, every atom in the universe.
So for you God is the creator of life or is he / she the life? Do you distinguish between God and everything else? Or is god part and parcel of everything?
Yes but I use gods to mean beings like Odin or the God of Abraham. Infinite Intelligence is what I would call the creator of all things. No not really we are all part of that force.
Ok. But that is the distinguishing feature of the God of the Bible. The creator of all things. Not just a tribal god or deity. The God of the bible cannot die either because he is the creator of life.
He says he is but for me he is the tribal god of the Jews who is a creation god for that pantheon. Just like Odin is a creation god in Heathenism and Prometheus in Hellenistic Polytheism. Not all gods die. Most use magic to avoid it.
Ok. So why is the verses about life and death in the NT more believable than other parts? You must surely have a means of deciding which is one is more stuffed up than the others? I happen to think the NT is excellent. And that the Bible, namely the OT and the NT are more reliable than every other book. The bible talks about spirit being mortal and that immortality is conditional.
I think the New Testament is almost all rubbish. Jesus was a Buddha type figure if he lived at all and is not a mix of people from the time.
Interesting. I would agree with you about Karma. I am not sure what you mean by universal truths. Where are these and who made them and how do we find out about them?
Infinite Intelligence created everything. Some are natural laws and some we know when in in spirit form. We loose a lot while in human form with an ego.
Thanks for your responses. This is really interesting. I am of the view that Satan will be punished for ever. What is natural law? Surely you have heard of a thing called tough love. Love sometimes is demonstrated by removing the enemy. The ultimate lesson is love? Where do you get that idea? I think worship is the ultimate thing to do. I really find it interesting how much you are opposed to the concept of punishment. Of course there are natural consequences to things. Not all consequences are punishments. But judgment is what judges do. And then the police come and place a person in punishment. I agree there is a difference between punishment and discipline. The first is an end. The second is a means. But sometimes - the journey has to come to an end. The destination is always beckoning. For example, Hitler was not needing discipline or to learn. Because of his evil, the only thing left was punishment. That he took his life, meant he escaped temporal punishment - yet he sent himself into the eternal judgment room of God. And my view is that God's judgment on Hitler was deserved.
https://passionplacement.com/7-natural-laws-fundamentals-to-unlock-growth-in-business-life/ I have seen sources with way more but these are the most commonly discussed. The only enemy is ego. There is no universal boogey man waiting to tear you down. Working with a god may be a matter of worship but the ultimate goal for us is to give love to others. Punishment achieves little on a eternity time frame. Again why create a human, set it up to fail then punish it for all eternity cause it doesn't get the rules. It makes God look petty, shallow and sadistic. Judges also protect victims, grant restitution and decide who is correct within the laws. You see judgement as something only the evil or bad get. The good are judged too. What if Hitler was sent to teach a lesson to all humanity? Did he has to endure some punishment in the afterlife, sure. Will he every progress in the afterlife, no idea. Either one of use could be right or wrong. Without proof we can only live our own truth and not judge others for theirs. Unless theirs hurts others. If you are hurting others using religion it's hard to give that religion any credit for authenticity.
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@Reece101
This is why atheists aren't worth talking to I explained the whole goddamn thing in the rest of the post. I'm not interacting with any of you anymore.
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@Tradesecret
I am more than willing to I certainly believe spirit is eternal.What do you mean by spirit?
The life force that is individual to all things.
When I say God I don't mean like the God of Abraham I mean Infinite Intelligence, the creator of all things.Is Infinite Intelligence a thing or a person or something else? Would you care to elaborate?
The origin of all live and all things. The creative living force in the universe.
The gods to me are merely evolved being that have a knowledge of dimensions that we humans don't have.Why do you think this? Do you have any evidence of it? How can you know that they have evolved a deeper knowledge of dimensions than us? I am curious.
Most myths do not have the gods creating the universe but their area of the universe. They are able to contact us on Earth care of the dead. They are also able to die.
They are more in tune with how spirit works.Ok. How do you know this?
See above. They are creators of worlds and underworlds.
Spirit is continual and eternal when the Bible says I knew you before you were formed that means that our spirit existed before it goes into our body and obviously if God talks about an afterlife it exists after we leave our body.Ok. So I assume you take this part of the bible to be correct. Is it the only part or are other parts correct as well? And how do you determine which ones are correct and which ones are not? For the record, I am not convinced the bible says the Spirit is eternal. You are correct in that it talks about God knowing us before we were formed. But it also talks about death and the second death. John 3:16 clearly talks about life eternal and death as two opposites. Death seems to be non-eternal.
I think most religious text and religions have some truth in them even though man has fked them up. The New Testament is worse then most others. I don't believe spirit ever ceases to exist. It just changes form.
I certainly believe there are lower vibration beings and higher vibration beings and where you're at when you die can determine where you end up in an afterlife I certainly don't believe in hell and punishment.I don't understand this vibration thing. Can you explain that further? I do believe in Hell and punishment. For me it makes sense that judgement occurs in the afterlife if it is not attained in the real world.
Spirit has a vibration to it. All living things do. It's starts at the atomic level. I don't believe we were created to be punished.
Until you've reached a certain level of vibration you have to come back and learn.Is that like Karma? How do you distinguish it from Karma, realizing of course that Hindu philosophy teaches that everything is illusion.
Karma is more about reward and punishment. I am taking about learning universal truths.
One can't learn if you're in hell being punished so I don't believe that exists.I would think that Hell is not about learning but about punishment. Surely that is the sole purpose of such a destination and for some people who refuse to learn - that seems quite an appropriate place.
I don't believe we were created to be punished. I think having kids to just torcher them is sick. What higher being would do that if we don't? You wouldn't bring a child into the world and lock it up forever because you didn't teach it right. Or because they made a mistake. Not to mention we are here to learn lessons. Some errors on our part are a part of experiencing the consequences of hurting ourselves or others.
It's also not in the Old Testament and very few other religions have a hell that's just a place of punishment most faiths might have a purgatory or at least a afterlife split into sections.Eternal Hell is premised partly upon the Greek idea that the Spirit is eternal. Although it is true that many religions don't have Hell, it is perhaps because they have a different system of punishment. I also think that the OT does talk about Hell. But you can have your own beliefs.
If Christianity is based on the God of Abraham then why is the concepts of the Greek afterlife incorporated at all?
You don't just go to a place of torture because you didn't believe in gods you end up in a place like that based on your own behavior toward others. You can learn and grow out of that place.Hell is not a place to learn. Hell is a place of punishment for rejecting God. If torture is part of that - then that is part of the punishment, It is not about belief or non-belief in God - it is about Treason on an eternal scale.
I don't believe the creator punishes anyone for eternity. There is no natural law of punishment. It's goes against the law of love. Which is the ultimate lesson. Love God and your neighbor. One can expect cause and effect but nothing in cause and effect implies punishment but merely consequence. A lion not making a kill is not punished by being hungry is it a consequence of not eating. We do have a period where once we die and realize our sins against others ( and in that way God) then our guilt keeps us from moving on. Once that guilt is processed we can being to grow and move closer to God.
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@Intelligence_06
It seems that only about four people on this website think the forms are discussion and not necessarily debate thanks for saying it.
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@Reece101
Satanist that think of him as a concept and not a being aren't pagan. But I don't have a problem with it coming under the pagan umbrella just because it's not Christian and that's sometimes the easiest way to address things for people understand them. For instance Buddhism nobody would call them pagans even though they have no God and it's not Christian. Since atheistic Satanism is specifically a rejection of Christian beliefs I think that's why people call it pagan because the other pagan beliefs are given that title based on the fact that they're not Christian if that helps at all. Long story short yeah, lol.
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Because 1.) Myths are not fact and 2.) Modern world deters magical thinking. Miracles are ignored or explained away.
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@Tradesecret
I am more than willing to I certainly believe spirit is eternal. I don't think my definition of what God would be the same as yours. When I say God I don't mean like the God of Abraham I mean Infinite Intelligence, the creator of all things. The gods to me are merely evolved being that have a knowledge of dimensions that we humans don't have. They are more in tune with how spirit works. Death is just when the body ceases to function. Spirit is continual and eternal when the Bible says I knew you before you were formed that means that our spirit existed before it goes into our body and obviously if God talks about an afterlife it exists after we leave our body. I certainly believe there are lower vibration beings and higher vibration beings and where you're at when you die can determine where you end up in an afterlife I certainly don't believe in hell and punishment. I also believe in reincarnation. Until you've reached a certain level of vibration you have to come back and learn. One can't learn if you're in hell being punished so I don't believe that exists. It's also not in the Old Testament and very few other religions have a hell that's just a place of punishment most faiths might have a purgatory or at least a afterlife split into sections. You don't just go to a place of torture because you didn't believe in gods you end up in a place like that based on your own behavior toward others. You can learn and grow out of that place.
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I didn't realize Jesus was a god associated with wind and storms how interesting. Contributing environmental factors to him makes him almost pagan.
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This could have been an excellent topic addressing the eternity of spirit, the connection of spirit and god, and instead we have to swim through the fecal matter that is atheism. What a waste of time and space.
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If that were typical theists behavior then there would be a lot more dead people on the planet the fact is it's a rare case and probably about mental illness. When one is in the throws of mental illness and hears voices it's associated with something outside oneself like angels or gods for demons. The actual mentally ill can't recognize it's from an illness or wrong. The idea all theists are murders gets old.
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@ethang5
That's the only mod to get upset about me saying it, lol. Though I'm sure it's one of the atheist that have been banned before.
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