Immediately from the description don’t know what is being argued. Glancing at R1, a lot of it seems like it should be in the description.
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My attacks would be on how it is unlikely to be implemented in the states manner, as it would be implemented by the same people who currently make our justice system suck.
The problem with this tactic is quite obviously that it does not favor the status quo either.
And yeah, I did not have nearly enough characters to make the discussion of preserved human bits properly entertaining and logically valid. As was, it was kinda just there as little more than a side tangent.
I rather enjoyed the unique challenge of the 500 character limit. While I don't like to prattle on too much, any one of my points would most likely normally take that many.
A really good resource for you is: https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
There's even a section in it on writing strong resolutions... Basically make it both minimal in contentions and precise in meaning (I've seen these debates kritiked with such things as animal abortions).
As Ponikshiy said, you'll also want to be assertive/proactive. For this debate, before even responding to me it would have been best to present your case for abortion being murder, and your case for the fetus being innocent.
Oh and your best defense to such odd contentions as the hand, is to say something like "If anything else is or is not murder, is outside the scope of this debate." My debates usually have some thing more for entertainment; in this case, I really did not have the characters to properly explain it.
Nice comeback with the Billy Madison quote! I routinely cite that scene.
Here’s a useful tool for you, it even has a section on writing resolutions:
http://tiny.cc/DebateArt
What you suffered here is a trollish kritik. That it’s humorous doesn’t automatically make it invalid (at least to me), it rather becomes an extra standard by which to weigh the debate.
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I'll reread this. Right now I'm torn. While bringing Ben back seems a fine direction for further sequel movies, said sequel movies were kritiked as a bad idea.
By that standard they would be many thousands of organizations, not a singular one. Also you'd be in a unique organization with everyone whom you've ever kinda made some kind of plans with. Such a standard leads to the word being all but meaningless.
In common English, organizations are defined by order, and always have a hierarchy (a few claim to be flat, such as the Catholic Church, in which The Pope is no higher at all than any priest... Their words on it do not match reality).
Antifa is a disorganized movement. There is no leadership, nor standards at all... Heck, I've met literal Neo-Nazis who identify as "Antifa."
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>Reason for Decision: pro is stating transitioning is good for kids but fails to provide evidence for this
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In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis, but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
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In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis, but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
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I advise changing the resolution to “antifa are often terrorists.” This would give you flexibility to show a widespread pattern of terrorist activities committed in their name, without needing to prove all or most; nor the obvious kritik that it’s not an organization.
You could also have a debate literally on if they are an organization, or for this one specify “assuming they’re an organization, antifa qualifies as a terrorist organization”
This is not a valid reason for voting. Should it have been raised as an argument, more assessment of it and at least one other contention would be required. As is, this is a vote based on outside content of your options which do not align with the debate which occurred.
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In future for a complex debate like this, please have more specific detail rather than just the gist (even if that's what it ultimately boils down to). The side being voted against, should be left with a clear sense that you at least read their main contention to be able to say what either defeated it or outweighed it. A vote need not become long, but a little less short would go a long way.
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It's immediately noticeable via word search that a vote based on lack of analysis of the definitions of myths vs theories, was not an argument raised within the debate.
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Sorry I missed this one. It looks well thought out on both sides.
I will note that being constitutional does not guarantee best; but we’ve had hundreds of years of the (arguably) best minds appointed to the Supreme Court to interpret laws for if they do or do not violate the constitution.
There’s a popular fan theory that the timelines got split during rebels. The New Trilogy being what happened if Ahsoka died; freeing the television writers to wholly ignore Space Leia and Emo Ren.
That said, I appreciated Emo Ren. A child pulling a temper tantrum with the power to move mountains. It’s different, and it’s scary in its own way. Sure we’re not going to respect the guy who stops in the middle of a fight to hurt himself as a cry for help or whatever, and he’s a complete novice with a lightsaber; but would the attitudes of the dark side really lead to well adjusted disciplined individuals?
Couldn’t be as bad as space Leia, but it’d be bad. Yoda is already using force lightening from beyond the grave, it would remove the impact of sacrifice if their afterlife becomes a revolving door.
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This vote was reported explicitly for: "gives no reasoning for the vote and instead just has links under reasoning"
Reviewed by oromagi: "I think he's just missing your posts in comments"
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Nice opening round.
Immediately from the description don’t know what is being argued. Glancing at R1, a lot of it seems like it should be in the description.
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My attacks would be on how it is unlikely to be implemented in the states manner, as it would be implemented by the same people who currently make our justice system suck.
The problem with this tactic is quite obviously that it does not favor the status quo either.
https://amp.cheezburger.com/6623237/15-hulk-hogan-memes-thatll-make-you-call-everyone-brother
High probability someone will accept this only to deny Hulk’s attack in the twin towers, coming up with some crazy conspiracy theory involving planes…
Thank you both for voting.
In both your votes you stated some of my thoughts much more articulately than I managed.
FYI, you’ve accepted a trap debate. They can be navigated and won, but they will be frustrating.
If something is incapable of intent, then innocence (per your definition) is moot.
By the same standard, all tools used to perform a rare surgical abortion of innocent of that.
This debate may appeal to you.
Thanks for the vote.
And yeah, I did not have nearly enough characters to make the discussion of preserved human bits properly entertaining and logically valid. As was, it was kinda just there as little more than a side tangent.
Nice job on your first serious debate.
I rather enjoyed the unique challenge of the 500 character limit. While I don't like to prattle on too much, any one of my points would most likely normally take that many.
A really good resource for you is: https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
There's even a section in it on writing strong resolutions... Basically make it both minimal in contentions and precise in meaning (I've seen these debates kritiked with such things as animal abortions).
As Ponikshiy said, you'll also want to be assertive/proactive. For this debate, before even responding to me it would have been best to present your case for abortion being murder, and your case for the fetus being innocent.
Oh and your best defense to such odd contentions as the hand, is to say something like "If anything else is or is not murder, is outside the scope of this debate." My debates usually have some thing more for entertainment; in this case, I really did not have the characters to properly explain it.
Objective as in equal or greater objectivity to religious answers, or are you pre-agreeing that religious answers have no objectivity?
If you both request it, this debate can be deleted.
Friendly reminder, you have one day remaining to post your opening argument.
Nice comeback with the Billy Madison quote! I routinely cite that scene.
Here’s a useful tool for you, it even has a section on writing resolutions:
http://tiny.cc/DebateArt
What you suffered here is a trollish kritik. That it’s humorous doesn’t automatically make it invalid (at least to me), it rather becomes an extra standard by which to weigh the debate.
You beat me to this one by seconds. I strongly disagree with the notion that not being a slave equals murder.
Whiteflame and/or Oromagi are the people to tag for appeals.
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I'll reread this. Right now I'm torn. While bringing Ben back seems a fine direction for further sequel movies, said sequel movies were kritiked as a bad idea.
You'll really need a definition for exist within the description.
By that standard they would be many thousands of organizations, not a singular one. Also you'd be in a unique organization with everyone whom you've ever kinda made some kind of plans with. Such a standard leads to the word being all but meaningless.
In common English, organizations are defined by order, and always have a hierarchy (a few claim to be flat, such as the Catholic Church, in which The Pope is no higher at all than any priest... Their words on it do not match reality).
Antifa is a disorganized movement. There is no leadership, nor standards at all... Heck, I've met literal Neo-Nazis who identify as "Antifa."
Only according to mistranslations.
I hate double negatives like this.
https://youtu.be/31IDDlKdls0?si=pB3PqM8Bvsi3IL1c
Thanks for voting!
Very well done R1 from both sides!
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4120-the-gender-pay-gap-doesnt-exist
Neat thing!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/politics/enrique-tarrio-sentencing-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy/index.html
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>Reported Vote: Redpilled // Mod action: Not Removed (non-moderated debate)
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>Reported Vote: Redpilled // Mod action: Removed (or would be, but too late)
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>Points Awarded: 1 to pro, 6 to con.
>Reason for Decision: pro is stating transitioning is good for kids but fails to provide evidence for this
>Reason for Mod Action:
In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis, but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
To cast a sufficient vote, for each category awarded, a voter must explicitly perform the following tasks:
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>Reported Vote: Redpilled // Mod action: Removed (or would be had the time not expired)
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>Points Awarded: 1 to pro
>Reason for Decision: pro does not provide adequate sources of information and it would appear all of his statements are opinions
>Reason for Mod Action:
In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis, but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
To cast a sufficient vote, for each category awarded, a voter must explicitly perform the following tasks:
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>Reported Vote: Redpilled // Mod action: Not Removed (borderline)
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The vote was borderline. By default, borderline votes are ruled to be sufficient.
Note: This decision can be appealed to whiteflame or oromagi. Essentially while the vote is barebones, it's from a new member and seems to get the gist across.
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>Reported Vote: Redpilled // Mod action: Removed
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>Points Awarded: Arguments and conduct to pro
>Reason for Decision: Con made many points he was unable to prove
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Arguments must always be reviewed even if left a tie (in which case less detail is required, but some reason for said tie based on the debate content must still be comprehensible within the vote).
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Copied the short description into the full description for you, to ensure whomever accepts sees those specifications.
Not an organization.
I advise changing the resolution to “antifa are often terrorists.” This would give you flexibility to show a widespread pattern of terrorist activities committed in their name, without needing to prove all or most; nor the obvious kritik that it’s not an organization.
You could also have a debate literally on if they are an organization, or for this one specify “assuming they’re an organization, antifa qualifies as a terrorist organization”
-> “ Cause LGBTQ is demonic”
This is not a valid reason for voting. Should it have been raised as an argument, more assessment of it and at least one other contention would be required. As is, this is a vote based on outside content of your options which do not align with the debate which occurred.
-> “ Con forfeited 50% of debate.”
Sorry, misread this and deleted the wrong vote. Please revote.
And sorry for the trouble!
You’ve missed one round but can still make a comeback.
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The vote was borderline (in part due to the newness of the member). By default, borderline votes are ruled to be sufficient.
In future for a complex debate like this, please have more specific detail rather than just the gist (even if that's what it ultimately boils down to). The side being voted against, should be left with a clear sense that you at least read their main contention to be able to say what either defeated it or outweighed it. A vote need not become long, but a little less short would go a long way.
Arguments must always be reviewed even if left a tie (in which case less detail is required, but some reason for said tie based on the debate content must still be comprehensible within the vote).
Arguments go to the side that, within the context of the debate rounds, successfully affirms (vote pro) or negates (vote con) the resolution. Ties are possible, particularly with pre-agreed competing claims, but in most cases failing to affirm the resolution means pro loses by default.
Weighing entails analyzing the relative strength of one argument or set of arguments and their impacts against another argument or set of arguments. Weighing requires analyzing and situating arguments and counterarguments within the context of the debate as a whole.
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>Reported Vote: RationalMadman // Mod action: Not Possible to Remove
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The vote was borderline. By default, borderline votes are ruled to be sufficient. However, votes cast against someone during an open feud receive extra scrutiny.
It's immediately noticeable via word search that a vote based on lack of analysis of the definitions of myths vs theories, was not an argument raised within the debate.
The voter acted in such a way to suggest they did not give fair weighting to the debate content.
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Thank you for the vote!
Sorry I missed this one. It looks well thought out on both sides.
I will note that being constitutional does not guarantee best; but we’ve had hundreds of years of the (arguably) best minds appointed to the Supreme Court to interpret laws for if they do or do not violate the constitution.
Good luck,
Your topic combined with your username got me to step out of retirement.
I’m happy to give advice on strategies. I expect you’ll be using a basic non-sequitur kritik; but I’ve /occasionally/ been surprised…
There’s a popular fan theory that the timelines got split during rebels. The New Trilogy being what happened if Ahsoka died; freeing the television writers to wholly ignore Space Leia and Emo Ren.
That said, I appreciated Emo Ren. A child pulling a temper tantrum with the power to move mountains. It’s different, and it’s scary in its own way. Sure we’re not going to respect the guy who stops in the middle of a fight to hurt himself as a cry for help or whatever, and he’s a complete novice with a lightsaber; but would the attitudes of the dark side really lead to well adjusted disciplined individuals?
Couldn’t be as bad as space Leia, but it’d be bad. Yoda is already using force lightening from beyond the grave, it would remove the impact of sacrifice if their afterlife becomes a revolving door.
You’re thinking of current lite AI, instead of sentient AI.
And already we get angry at our computers for seeming to rebel against what we want them to do, instead of what they were programmed to do.
I suggest changing this to at least two rounds. Otherwise you cannot defend any of your points which are challenged.
Capitalism ensures greater variety of products, and availability.
Pretty much guaranteed to occur. Won’t be this generation but we’ll build something advanced enough one day.
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This vote was reported explicitly for: "gives no reasoning for the vote and instead just has links under reasoning"
Reviewed by oromagi: "I think he's just missing your posts in comments"
And from the voting policy: "...the comment section is the ideal place for any commentary which is not part of the vote. It is also an acceptable place to expand the reasoning for your vote"
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