Why are liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives?

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@IlDiavolo
You are spewing sheer unproven nonsense.

Islam is not inherently crime prone. The opposite is often true.

It depends which crime and such.

Despite having equally poor people, slums, scammers and all sorts, you are far far more likely to ve scammed, mugged and such by a Hindu in India than Muslim in Pakistan or India alike.

You are more likely to get mugged, raped, murdered or anything like fraud by Christians, Hindus and atheists worldwide than Muslims. If we talk scale despite Islam being the largest religion.

There are crimes they do. Honor killings and such are a thing and are brutal as are the floggings and such. That said, you wanted to suggest something that is just untrue. Muslims are a religion whose members are less prone to crime than those of other major religions, that is just a fact. Jews, Christians, Hindus and atheists are all more prone to crime per capita of follower.
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You wish me not to paint all Christians as awful yet you want to paint all Muslims that way.

Come to the south and see the anti science Christians


My god you have to be kidding
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Yet millions of Muslims thrive in democracies and reach the highest levels of their profession 
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No Irish need apply
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You are attacking some followers, a minority. I am merely noticing a religion that is irrefutably closer to convervatism is believed more tame by those that it hates more and stands more against.
 
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Islam is no better than Christianity 

At least they did not spend millions protecting pedophiles and getting them new victims

More liberals are Christians than any religion in America 
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More conservatives are christians than liberals... Is there some point to what you're hinting at?
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Let me see if I have your point

Muslim values are against American values

Christian values are against American values

So your question is why are liberals as tolerant of Muslims as they are Christians?
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Muslim values are against American values

Christian values are against American values

Wrong. This has nothing to do with American values as America has conservative, centrist and liberal values alike and 'not sure which' values like gun rights that are about liberty in one respect but about ignorance of the tyranny that guns bring citizens living in fear of them.

I said that Islam is against liberal values, regardless of which nation or culture you name. It doesn't matter if you pick liberal Americans or even liberal Saudis (who can't express their true preferences politically and views). It has absolutely 0 to do with Muslims or Liberals nor Christians or Catholic Priests that you are bringing up did pedophilia. It is entirely to do with the values of the core religion.

Liberals often defend Islam by saying that real Islam is peaceful and liberal and that only 'hijacked' or 'contorted' Islam is aggressively conservative and pro-Sharia. This is ignorant to the hilt, Islam has always been the single most conservative and aggressive religion out there in what it preaches, even if Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews or Sikhs were more aggressive in practise at points. The matter of fact is that Islam is not only completely against Liberalism's core values but it is aggressively so, it has always advocated a dogmatic approach, pressuring all within a vicinity to convert or to isolate and have nothing to do with them (but definitely both at once, not just leaving them alone).

This is also how Islam actually was superior to Christianity at its colonising, because it has a way of 'spreading' that is not 'obviously forceful' that Christianity lacks. Islam doesn't enter a nation only by the sword slaying and whips flogging, it enters, wins over by speech and truly, genuinely converts people with a charm at first that it drops as soon as it's established Sharia Law and switches around to become overt and brutal in its oppressiveness. This is as true in 2023 as the 'original Islam' just look what the Taliban did in Afghanistan, they explicitly said women will get education and then removed it along with many other tyranical approaches and right-removals.

This is why almost all Christian nations in Africa have noticeable Islam in them but the reverse is less true.
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And yet many Muslims live as liberals in democracies all over the world. 


How is this possible?
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And yet many Muslims live as liberals in democracies all over the world. 


How is this possible?
What do you mean? Iran is a democracy, can you be exact what you're asking?

Which Muslims are liberal? Do you mean people born to Muslim families that clearly disagree with Islam given their politics?
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But all those Muslims that kill other Muslims are conservative. Which is what I am still lost as to how you tackle or deny it.
I deny your central theme that these killers are PRIMARILY conservative, when they are in fact PRIMARILY Muslim. 
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Perhaps the argument boils down to your IMPRESSION of the term "conservative" verses the ACTUAL definition'

To wit

"7 Core Principles of Conservatism
  • Individual Freedom. The birth of our great nation was inspired by the bold declaration that our individual,God-given liberties should be preserved against government intrusion. ...
  • Limited Government. ...
  • The Rule of Law. ...
  • Peace through Strength. ...
  • Fiscal Responsibility. ...
  • Free Markets. ...
  • Human Dignity."   


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Conservatives are against individual freedoms.
 
Right wing libertarians are not  at least they say they are not.

A conservative society is a safe one for the majority, where people keep their mouth shut, head down and are disciplined.
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Conservatives say limited government meaning cutting the parts of it that help, serve or protect the poor and marginalised. They also reduce beaureacracy only in ways that benefit the rich or native majority ethnicity. Documents, arrests and all of that are much harsher whether for immigrants or otherwise outcasted groups and individuals.
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I am not going to believe some politician, individually, over the clear clash between conservative and liberal values.
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Islamic nations have some of the lowest tax rates on Earth, they very much believe in fiscal responsibility, at least for the general populace.
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Conservatives are against individual freedoms.
Provide proof or this.....
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Conservatives say limited government meaning cutting the parts of it that help, serve or protect the poor and marginalised. They also reduce beaureacracy only in ways that benefit the rich or native majority ethnicity. Documents, arrests and all of that are much harsher whether for immigrants or otherwise outcasted groups and individuals.
Provide proof or this.....
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I am not going to believe some politician, individually, over the clear clash between conservative and liberal values.
Then in whom do you believe?
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Islamic nations have some of the lowest tax rates on Earth, they very much believe in fiscal responsibility, at least for the general populace.
Other groups have similar qualities and yet are not killing Muslims to the extent that OTHER MUSLIMS are.

Perhaps you do not understand the difference between casual and causal relationships.
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What does proof mean?

Do you need proof that family, tradition, discipline, safety and humility (under a god especially byt more so in general) are the most severely and consistently held values by conservatives worldwide in any culture, no matter its split?

If you really don't know, then just admit it. You are giving a right wing libertarian's values telling me it is a consefvative's. I do get the confusion as especially in the US, terms have become murky.
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Let's try this one more time, for those that need it......

Your "point " made earlier was that if a Muslim is killed, is the the killer more likely a conservative or a liberal, to which I say the "point" is flawed.

Muslims, be they conservative, liberal, apples or oranges, kill more Muslims than anybody else.

If you really don't understand , then just admit it.





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Yet millions of Muslims thrive in democracies and reach the highest levels of their profession 
Thrive? Fancy word to describe what muslims can accomplish. I don't know of any Muslim that had a relevant work in the western society. 

At any rate, I can understand some people stand for them just so to be politically correct (which is the case of europeans), but the true is that muslims are a danger. No wonder why India seperated from Pakistan and other shitty Muslim regions around, not to mention that the indian government doesn't want anything to do with muslims. Same with China in Xinjiang, the most dangerous chinese region. 

This is a subject that even goes beyond politics. The phylosopher Sam Harris explains very well the risks of Islam in western society. Is it possible to reform it? I don't know, only time will tell. 
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It's just simple bigotry to say this group of a billion people are bad
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Muslims, be they conservative, liberal, apples or oranges, kill more Muslims than anybody else.
The vast majority of Muslims are conservative to begin with. Those that engage in sect-based aggression especially killing are almost entirely extremely conservative even for Muslims.

Islamic Sharia values are far closer to western Conservative values than they ever have been or will be to Western Liberal values.

I don't think the term Western matters but you and others seem to insist on it so I added it.
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If Islam is closer to conservative values.....why don't conservatives support them?

Liberals are closer to the values of tolerance and religious freedom
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If Islam is closer to conservative values.....why don't conservatives support them?
Conservatives support them, but just in a measure equal to all others. They grant no special consideration to them, or to anyone else lest they become a protected class.

Liberals are closer to the values of tolerance and religious freedom
From what planet do you get these ideas?  Tolerance? Religious freedom? Read an earth based newspaper.
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And Islam is vigilantly against religious freedom, visit their countries. Experience it or research it...

It is also very against tolerance of anything getting too much.
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So is Christianity