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Why are liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives?
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@Vegasgiants
In which year is that true and how does that explain the question you think you have answered?
Liberals are more against Christianity than conservatives are, by far.
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@RationalMadman
2023. Conservatives are only tolerant of one religion
Liberals are tolerate of all of them
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@RationalMadman
The relationship between "Muslim killing Muslim "and "conservative" in this context is casual.
The relationship between "Muslim killing Muslim " and "Muslim"in this context is causal.
If you need more help, feel free to ask.
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Yes I need help. Where in Islam is it encouraged to kill other Muslims? How is it causal?
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@Vegasgiants
2023. Conservatives are only tolerant of one religionLiberals are tolerate of all of them
Why? Look how you spoke in this thread about Christianity, I assume you are a 'liberal' yes?
Also, they are not for tolerance but acceptance. Conservatives tolerate, minimalistically.
Why should liberal embrace and accept Islam if it stands outright against the ethics of them, liberals and progressive, as a group more so than conservatives do?
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@RationalMadman
If you value religious freedom you accept religions that don't meet all your values as long as its legal
Conservatives don't accept religious freedom of Muslims in America.
Liberals do
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@RationalMadman
When a group of Muslims kills another group of Muslims, is it because they are conservative? NO. It is a religious battle ( because they are Muslims ).
If they be "conservative" or "apples" or "oranges", it is an incidental property that follows the primary quality of "being Muslim"
Muslim first, conservative incidentally if at all.
The driving factor is "religion" .
Is that enough help for you?
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When a group of Muslims kills another group of Muslims, is it because they are conservative? NO. It is a religious battle ( because they are Muslims ).
Wrong.
Only a severely conservative Muslim would feel there is a need to slaughter other humans over Jihadist reasons.
Islam encourages Muslims to work together against other religions and to only be defensively violent overall. The problem is that if there are Muslims one identifies as fake Muslims, then it has clauses justifying them being the worst of sinners.
The fact that over 91% of Muslims do not do these killings should be proof enough that Islam is not the cause.
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If they be "conservative" or "apples" or "oranges", it is an incidental property that follows the primary quality of "being Muslim"Muslim first, conservative incidentally if at all.
It is not incidental at all. Islam is an inherently conservative religion and way of life.
There are essentially 0 examples of a liberal Muslim engaging in Jihadist violence other than for pore defence.
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@RationalMadman
You still don't understand, yet your own language proves my point.
To wit,,,,you have said....
Only a severely conservative Muslim would feel there is a need to slaughter other humans over Jihadist reasons.
Do you see it ?
You said "conservative Muslim" not " Muslim conservative"
"conservative Muslim" linguistically means ( the noun ) "Muslim , modified by ( the adjective ) "conservative" thus the noun is primary and the adjective is incidental.
And here is another, if I may adapt your language..... You said
The fact that over 91% of Muslims do not do these killings should be proof enough that Islam is not the cause.
Let us make a similar statement that proves my point.
"The fact that over 99% of non Muslim conservatives do not do these killings should be proof enough that conservatism is not the cause."
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I could actually say Islamic conservative, it's because the word 'conservative' works as both adjective and noun that you're perhaps confused or think you've made a point.
In the context, you discussed Muslims as the noun.
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@RationalMadman
Again you seem to be arguing something off topic.
This began when you said that it was most likely that if a group of Muslims were attacked, they would most likely be attacked by conservatives. I stated that based on reality they would most likely be attacked by other Muslims, True fact!
There is no data that I can find that separates Muslims attacking based on being "conservative".
Actually and factually, Pew Research finds only 21% of Muslims are "conservative". Thus by extension we may assume that the attacking Muslims are more likely "liberal", but I am not making that claim.
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@RationalMadman
I could actually say Islamic conservative, it's because the word 'conservative' works as both adjective and noun that you're perhaps confused or think you've made a point.In the context, you discussed Muslims as the noun.
Actually and factually, Pew Research finds only 21% of Muslims are "conservative". Thus by extension we may assume that the attacking Muslims are more likely "liberal", but I am not making that claim.
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Where?
Which Pew Research finding?
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Actually and factually, Pew Research finds only 21% of Muslims are "conservative"
And it is not a casual relationship but a somewhat causal one.
Much less than 21 percent are doing the killing, essentially every sigle one of them is in that 21% if it really is only 21 percent.
There is no reason for a 'liberal Muslim' to be engaging in jihadist warfare unless severely peer pressured to
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Which values of Islam are not conservative?
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@RationalMadman
Much less than 21 percent are doing the killing, essentially every sigle one of them is in that 21% if it really is only 21 percent.
Yes, now you almost understand.
Much less than 21 percent are doing the killing
Yes. But 100% of them are Muslim in this case. Ergo, being Muslim is the main cause, being conservative may not be the cause at all.
If any ideology is to blame, look into "theocracy"
Perhaps you do not know how to define "conservative". Perhaps you could look that up.
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@RationalMadman
Which values of Islam are not conservative?
"Compared with the general public, fewer Muslim Americans say they are politically conservative, and a greater number say they prefer a bigger government that provides more services." Source...Pew Research cited above.
"Even with respect to how we see governance, conservatives have a view of a smaller government, lesser regulations. On the other hand, liberals have a view of bigger government, more regulations, more social services, for instance."
"Hence, the labels that apply to somebody as conservative or as liberal do not apply to a Muslim" (ibid).
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It is not true that they believe in socialism.
They are very much about charity over welfare and sided with their mortal enemy, the then very Christian Western nations of US, UK etc during the Cold War because they resent communism and socialism that much.
Sharia nations are diehard capitalist nations, always.
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@RationalMadman
It is not true that they believe in socialism.
I am not sure why you introduced "socialism" into this discussion.
I did not bring it up.
It leads me to believe that you are confused about certain definitions.
Look up "conservative", "socialism", "theocracy" and whatever else you need.
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I know it.
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You said Muslims are fond of public funded services to prove they are liberal. That is firstly economic wings without social conservatism vs liberalism but Islam is right wing.
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@RationalMadman
I know it.
To what are you referencing?
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@RationalMadman
Islam is neither tight not left. Islam is a theocracy.
You seem confused about terms.
If fact you probably think the Nazis were "right wing".
Why are liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives?
Conservatives are scared of their own shadow.
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If fact you probably think the Nazis were "right wing".
They were but Sharia is more right wing. What the Nazis were extreme in was Conservatism, not right wing politics, the term far-right is inaccurate.
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@RationalMadman
What the Nazis were extreme in was Conservatism
NOPE! They believed in BIG government, absolute power of the state, and disdain for private property. These ideas do not coincide with "conservatism" to which you would agree if you did a little research.
They actually were attempting to define a German version of socialism.
" Nazism is the common name in English for National Socialism " ( WIKI )
the term far-right is inaccurate.
Here we do agree. While the dichotomy of "right" and "left" may fit a linear mindset, the reality is that the spectrum is not a line, bit rather a circle.
The Nazis were so far to the "right" that they became "left" in many respects.
The term NAZI = North German Socialist Workers Party.
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Are you aware what propaganda is?