Why are liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives?

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Needless to say, Islamic social values AKA Sharia values are in direct violation and opposition of liberal ones much more often than they clash with conservative ones.

Both sides can feel free to answer, including people who believe Islam is a religion of peace. Educate us, tell us about how much more you know about Islam than those afraid of it.
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"We must support whatever the enemy opposes, and oppose whatever the enemy supports." - Mao
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Conservatives hate muslims. To counter them, we support muslims.
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Why are liberals less Islamophobic than conservatives?
Could it be that liberals are much more apt to be 'politically correct" than are conservatives?
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Plenty of woke manuals, such as Communist Manifestoo and little red book, teach about the need to defeat enemy with the masses supporting. We can beat conservatives if we win over masses and their support. It is important to counter enemy at every step and drain him.
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To put it simply, whatever the opponent says and does is to be considered wrong and malicious.
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Let’s see… Muslims tend not to be:  white, pro Christian, pro West, and they have a victimized minority status within Western nations. That makes them collectively a shoo in for protection and apologetics from enlightened progressives, despite the clearly unprogressive nature of Muslim culture and doctrine.
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True. Muslims oppose to conservatives. We oppose to conservatives. Logically, we support muslims.
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"Little Red Book," also known as "Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung," is a collection of quotes and speeches by Mao Zedong, the Chinese Communist Party leader and the founder of the People's Republic of China. This book, widely distributed during the Cultural Revolution, holds immense significance in Chinese history and revolutionized the concept of political ideology.

The book is a compilation of Mao's thoughts and ideas from speeches, articles, and conversations he had between 1927 and 1964. It was first published in 1964 by the People's Liberation Army Daily and quickly became a cultural and political phenomenon throughout China. The red cover, representing the Communist revolution, and its small, pocket-sized format made it easily accessible to the masses.

The central theme of the "Little Red Book" revolves around Mao's political philosophy, which combines Marxism-Leninism with Chinese socialism. It emphasizes the necessity of class struggle, revolutionary struggle, and the continuous pursuit of revolution to achieve a classless society. Mao's belief in the power of the masses, especially the rural peasantry, as the driving force behind revolution is a prominent theme.

One of the key highlights of the book is Mao's concept of "continuous revolution under the dictatorship of the proletariat." He argues that revolution does not end with the overthrow of the bourgeoisie but continues within the socialist system to combat counter-revolutionary elements and prevent the re-emergence of exploiting classes. Mao also calls for the complete eradication of traditional Chinese values, customs, and institutions that hinder progress.

The book is divided into 33 chapters, covering various topics such as class struggle, the role of the Communist Party, guerrilla warfare, and the importance of ideological education. Each chapter consists of a series of short, concise quotations that are highly suggestive and open to interpretation. These quotes were intended to serve as guiding principles for the Chinese people and inspire them to actively participate in the Communist revolution.

"Little Red Book" became a symbol of loyalty and devotion to Mao and his ideology. During the Cultural Revolution, it was considered a sacred text, and possession or recitation of its quotes was seen as an act of ideological purity. The book was widely used in education, workplaces, and even households to promote Maoist principles and indoctrinate the masses.

The influence of the "Little Red Book" extended beyond China's borders, particularly in the global leftist movement. It became a source of inspiration for revolutionary groups and individuals worldwide who sought to challenge capitalist and imperialist systems. In countries like Cambodia, Peru, and Nepal, Mao's ideas shaped the ideologies of communist insurgencies.

Critics argue that the book's simplicity and lack of critical analysis oversimplified complex socio-political issues, leading to blind adherence to Mao's ideas. They argue that it contributed to the rise of dogmatism, collectivist thinking, and a disregard for individual rights and freedoms. Others, however, view it as a powerful tool for social change that empowered the marginalized and promoted equality.

Today, the influence of the "Little Red Book" has waned, and China has adopted a more market-oriented economy. However, it remains an important historical artifact that reflects a crucial period in Chinese history. Its impact on the country's political, social, and cultural landscape cannot be underestimated.

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( edited syllogism) 
Muslims oppose conservatives.
We oppose conservatives.
Therefore we support muslims.

Do you see the logical fallacy you have committed?
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Yeah. I forgot to say that was not syllogism.
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Christian values are just as bad 
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Yeah. I forgot to say that was not syllogism

I agree that while it took the form of a syllogism.....it was not a syllogism due to the fallacious argument involved.

You are saying 

A is not C
B is not C
therefore A is B

Clearly false as a simple Venn will explain.






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Liberals love multiculturalism, so muslims fit pretty well in the diverse society these people promote. This may be the reason why Europe is full of muslims. 
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Could it be that liberals are much more apt to be 'politically correct" than are conservatives?
Partly, perhaps, however I would say that conservatives are even more politically correct, just differently. If a conservative believes in something or feels something taboo for their side of the political and cultural spectrum, they are even more so repressed than the 'liberals' who disagree with a liberal thing, both in terms of frequency and intensity of repercussions for expressing said thing.

I would say that in itself is one of the many things truer in Sharia than the West and closer to conservative outlook. Shut up, blend in and be very politically correct. That sums up both a very Christian and very Islamic society.

If I told you a hate crime attack happened attempting to slaughter Muslims, and told you regardless of who you bet on, the prize is 1.5x what you bet, how much would you bet on them being Liberal-leaning, Conservative-leaning or 'completely independent centrist'?
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 Muslims tend not to be:  white
You do realise you are saying that Conservatives are more white supremacist and anti-non-whites? You're trying to push the other side of what you're admitting there but the flip side is very telling.
pro Christian
Value-wise, Islam is nigh-infinitely closer to Christianity than it is to secular liberalism both philosophically and culturally.
pro West
The West is not really the West, for instance South America isn't the West while Australia and NewZealand are.

The West consists of the majority caucasian nations that you pretend liberals hate. They love those nations even if they say they don't, they'd never want to live in an Islamic nation over a Western one if they're a true liberal believer.

and they have a victimized minority status within Western nations. 
They have a minority status and the victimisation is due to conservatives targetting them to the highest of ironies.

Please do explain why liberal citizens are less islamophobic as a trend than conservatives are, not why politicians try to appeal.
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Christian values are just as bad 
In theory or practise?

Could you list them out please?
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Liberals love multiculturalism, so muslims fit pretty well in the diverse society these people promote.
Do they now? Could you please show me a Muslim society that is culturally diverse for any extended period of time before everyone caves into Sharia?
This may be the reason why Europe is full of muslims. 
That couldn't be the reason, no... The reason is that it's geographically close to the Middle East (with Eastern Europe being the crossover into the part of Europe you probably are alluding to) and a desirable place to live economically, environmentally and technologically at the very least.

You are also fusing religion with culture. I maybe understand why but I am not sure what you mean there. You can appreciate Egyptian and Persian cultural aspects while ignoring the Islam. You can even do that with Omani and Saudi culture.
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You didnt refute quote from Mao, summary of little red book, countering conservatives and popular support. Its way too late now. They stand as facts now.
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You do realise you are saying that Conservatives are more white supremacist and anti-non-whites? You're trying to push the other side of what you're admitting there but the flip side is very telling.
No. My post was written from the angle of “why progressives defend Muslims,” not from the angle of “why conservatives tend not to like Muslims (generally).” Therefor, what I am saying is that progressives tend to be “anti racist,” ie pro POC, ie pro “not white” people. But I can see now how the misunderstanding occurred.

Value-wise, Islam is nigh-infinitely closer to Christianity than it is to secular liberalism both philosophically and culturally.
Yes. However, Muslims and Christians tend to be territorial and suspicious of each other. I am not claiming that the reality is entirely logical; I am merely pointing out what I think the reality of the situation is.

The West is not really the West, for instance South America isn't the West while Australia and NewZealand are.
I’m starting to think you are merely being contrary for its own sake.

The West consists of the majority caucasian nations that you pretend liberals hate. They love those nations even if they say they don't, they'd never want to live in an Islamic nation over a Western one if they're a true liberal believer.
I’m not pretending. Progressives criticize the West while neglecting to put those criticisms in their larger context. That reeks of a lack of gratitude. You even contradict yourself when you say “even if they say they don’t (love those nations).” I have no doubt about your final claim. You are pointing out why progressives should display more gratitude toward the West than they do.

They have a minority status and the victimisation is due to conservatives targetting them to the highest of ironies.
Yes, the victimization can be real. Thing is, it doesn’t HAVE to be real for the victim perception to exist. 

Please do explain why liberal citizens are less islamophobic as a trend than conservatives are, not why politicians try to appeal.
Uh, I am. See the above?
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Do they now? Could you please show me a Muslim society that is culturally diverse for any extended period of time before everyone caves into Sharia?
I refered to Europe. There are even complete neighbors where the Sharia law is applied. Muslims will never accept to be part of a diverse society which is the reason of the failure of europeans liberal policies. 

That couldn't be the reason, no... The reason is that it's geographically close to the Middle East (with Eastern Europe being the crossover into the part of Europe you probably are alluding to) and a desirable place to live economically, environmentally and technologically at the very least.
That's just another reason, but not the exclusive one. If european's migration policies weren't so liberal Europe would be free of these people. For example, Hungria and Polonia refused to accept muslims because they are conservatives, now they are the most safe countries in Europe.

You are also fusing religion with culture. I maybe understand why but I am not sure what you mean there. You can appreciate Egyptian and Persian cultural aspects while ignoring the Islam. You can even do that with Omani and Saudi culture.
Well, I'm not sure if I fused religion with culture, what I know thought is that religion is part of culture. And you can't deny that muslims use religion as a basis of their culture and even their political life. 
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*I meant Hungary and Poland. These are the correct names in English. 😁
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now they are the most safe countries in Europe.
In what metric are they safest? Those are 2 of the least safe places in Europe.
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Well, I'm not sure if I fused religion with culture, what I know thought is that religion is part of culture. And you can't deny that muslims use religion as a basis of their culture and even their political life. 
I think it's the other way around actually. ;) You are trying to argue with a secular person, not a religious one. Their way of life shaped their fairytale justification for it.
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I’m starting to think you are merely being contrary for its own sake.
I often am, it's one trait Wylted and I share(d) throughout our history. I play devil's advocate very well at times, it just isn't too fun or enjoyable for extended periods.

I genuinely think that the term The West is actually ethnocentric and nonsense. The West just means white nations, people keep pretending that's not what it means. Nations that were built by and for caucasians are now the West except the few Eastern European ones that defy the rule.

Japan and South Korea are definitely social democracies but they have East Asian conservativeness woven into their cultures. Since they are Eastern on top of non-white people exclude them from the term The West. I am beginning to think The West just means white nations as I've grown older. I used to think that was ignorant to think but I genuinely realise now as I've grown that The West just literally means white nations. So, when people say The West is leading to the decline of white Christians they are inherently making a contradictory statement.
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Religion can be used to justify anything, since both Bible and Quran have hundreds of interpretations.

Thats the problem with religion. It isnt consistent. Anyone can use it for any cause. God's plan failed.
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It's not the problem with religion, people are wrong there. It's a problem with humanity.

The secular perspective is we should be moral regardless of god, the religious perspective is that only fear of god's damnation and greed for god's rewards are to drive us to appear 'good' while having corrupt, greedy motives at heart.

There is a reason why in more barbaric times, religion was needed to tame people. They weren't motivated by societal wellbeing and still many aren't, they tend to lean right-wing.
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You didnt refute quote from Mao, summary of little red book, countering conservatives and popular support. Its way too late now. They stand as facts now.
Expand. I do not understand your point.
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If I told you a hate crime attack happened attempting to slaughter Muslims, and told you regardless of who you bet on, the prize is 1.5x what you bet, how much would you bet on them being Liberal-leaning, Conservative-leaning or 'completely independent centrist'?
You do understand that most killings of Muslims are done not by  "Liberal-leaning, Conservative-leaning or 'completely independent centrists' but by other Muslims. 
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In which country is that true?

Definitely not Iraq or Afghanistan (the stats on Afghanistan are lies, the truth is not known but kind of obvious).