Instigator / Con
4
1504
rating
10
debates
65.0%
won
Topic
#5805

We ought to do and/or not do something(s).

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
0

After 1 vote and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Novice_II
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
1,800
Contender / Pro
6
1896
rating
100
debates
93.5%
won
Description

I'm defining "ought" in the same way it's usually defined in the "is-ought gap".
In other words: a non-descriptive, prescriptive obligation to do something(s).

For PRO to win the debate, they need only demonstrate that the resolution is *probably* (>50% likely) true.
For CON to win the debate, they need only demonstrate that the resolution is not probably true (≤50% likely).

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I don't love that Pro won this late with a round Con couldn't respond to, but tech issues happen, and I'm already penalizing Pro for forfeiting the second round with a conduct point.

The reason Pro wins this in my opinion is that they were able to reaffirm their case without adding to it, mainly by showing how Con had made some assumptions that weren't very well supported by what Pro said. For example, much of Con's case relied on the premise that "Under moral subjectivism, every obligation is descriptive because it describes peoples' moral attitudes." But that's not subjective morality, or at least the version of subjective morality Pro is advocating; they're saying that ought statements do exist to the extent that they match someone's value (i.e. if I want to achieve well-being, I ought to do something that will achieve that). I do think Con had an opportunity to cast a wider net in responding to Pro's case if they weren't sure whether or not Pro was advocating descriptive ethics—and if they wanted to argue that subjective morality must be descriptive and cannot be prescriptive, they could have fleshed that out with more than a single sentence and even had an extra round to do so. There are also secondary points I haven't addressed here, but the debate really comes down to Pro not advocating descriptive ethics.

Given what Con says is allowed at the end, I don't think this is a final-round blitzkrieg, even if I would have liked more rounds to settle the dispute. Pro cites the source Con provides, and nothing at the end seems to come out of nowhere. It's mostly clarifying how Pro's first round case doesn't fall into the box Con puts it in.