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@Sidewalker
The problem with these “scientific” first cause analyses is that in the end we are just conjuring with mathematics here, when nature doesn’t exist yet, principles can’t exist yet either, if “nothing” exists then there are no states and no principles of laws and it’s impossible to say what might come into existence or how it might occur. An initial state of “nothing” falls completely outside of the four-dimensional frame of reference of science. All we can do is postulate a transcendent reality from which our reality causally manifested, but it would necessarily fall outside of the frame of reference of the calculations being done, we can’t really apply the principles of this reality to a reality that transcends all of the principles that these calculations are built on.Big Bang Cosmology states that time and space came into existence with the Big Bang, therefore there is not aspatial or temporal framework for any mathematical process to occur in, withoutspace or time, there simply can't be any process. By definition, it must be an uncaused event, those who postulate the Universe resulted from a quantum fluctuation aren't recognizing that there was no space for a quantum fluctuation to occur in, and there was no time in which the quantumfluctuation could occur.
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@Best.Korea
i think you are reading too much into the bible verses that say to respect the government. you are construing your own meaning, after all, from the verses. id construe it as... 'respect the government and government authorities'. the bible doesn't need to delineate all the ins and outs of how to respond to the government in all situations. as a virtue, stating that we should respect the government is enough for a christian who is striving to live a holy life. the bible is meant to be mostly theological, not political.
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I think an interesting argument is whether the animal consents to it. For example. The animal fucking you instead of you fucking the animal
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Also them simply arguing that it might be possible that the universe is eternal isn't very meaningful than if they provided hard science that proved it or at least made it more likely than not. All they have is speculation
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@FLRW
It would help if you actually stated their argument, instead of simply stating that they made an argument
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Not that I watch bestiality porn, but I did happen to see a video of dog fuckin a woman, doggy style, of course
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i was in a frat in college... it was the Greek frat, tappa kegga drinka
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do cows ever fuck pigs? is interspecies sex outside of humans even a thing? i never hear of it. there's enough data that gay animals exist... but interspecies sex?
"A male snow monkey has been observed attempting to have sex with female sika deer on Japan's Yakushima Island, in an unusual example of interspecies mating behaviour. It is only the second recorded example of sexual relations between two distantly related species."
looks like it's very rare. primates including humans must be horny fucks.
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@Best.Korea
sounds like something a chump would say
(JK)
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You should research the concept you are studying, history etc
I saw this video and reminded me of u
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@FLRW
that's just how many atoms there are. just think how many combinations and arrangements of all the atoms there could be. it'd be off the scale.
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It looks like it boils down to a Lotta ignorance and knee jerk reactions from libs
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i see slogans like 'free palestine' from libs? free them from what? are they being deprived their rights? maybe i'm not fairly characterizing these libs but i just dont understand taking positions like 'pro palestine'. is 'pro palestine' just a way to say 'they deserve a seat at the table'? if that's all it is, it's merely posturing to say 'pro paelstine', cause that's what the large majority of folks already say.
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this is a land dispute. land disputes go back as long as life came to earth. it's not clear who should have the right to what. but it's generally good to negotiate with each other and live in peace. that's why palestine and israel should live in peace, and a two state solution is ideal.... except to say, israel shouldn't have to deal with terrorists killing them. why are liberals defending hamas? or is it just palestine that they are defending? dems like to call out conservatives for antisemite behavior from conservatives... but it's actually mostly coming from the dem base. even if those libs aren't pro hamas and are only pro palestine... what's up with that? no one is right in a land dispute like this, except it's always fair to defend ourselves like israel is doing.
i dont know much about this dispute... and am open to new persepctives/info, but this is the way i see it from my limited perspective.
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@Best.Korea
I'm an instigator, .380 slug penetrator
Degradin', creatin' murders to kill haters
Accused for every crime known through the equator
They knew I did it for havin' blood on my 'gators
My weed'll hit your chest like a double barrel gauge and I'm a black grenade that'll blow up in yo' face
With a fifth in me, when I guzzle Remy, I do shit on purpose
You never hear me say, “Forgive me”
I'm snatchin' every penny, it gotta be that way, nigga, face it
That weed I sold to you, Brigade laced it
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@Best.Korea
No doubt, sat back on the couch
Pants down, rubber on, set to turn that ass out
Laid the bitch out, then I put it in her mouth
Pulled out, nutted on a towel and passed out
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@Best.Korea
an atheist that's polytheist is a contradiction in terms. it's clear that you are very confused and going down a dark road that you need to stop going down.
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@Best.Korea
to me, your position on human sex with animals, is a natural consequence of giving up on God.
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@Best.Korea
"I am pretty sure that person having sex with an animal isnt something I would consider bad." -Best.Korea
you heard it here folks!
you should start a thread to defend that position... would be amusing to watch folks come outta the wood works to argue with ya.
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@Best.Korea
are you pro or anti sex with animals? the road you've been goin down lately, i wouldn't be surprised either way.
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@Best.Korea
an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth? although to be fair... that used to be God's rule, in the old testament.
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most christians have like a 'marriage' with jesus. they have a relationship. what's the threshhold of a marriage? at its minimum, it's hard to define. but as a functional phenomenon, it's a living faith and complete.
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i do acknowledge that it's dangerous to let facists like trump in power... and it's stupid of voters to support him and think this way, but many of them probably dont take what trump says or does seriously. the loosely support him, and otherwise think of him as 'crazy uncle don', like a crazy uncle.
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If you don't include hard science and math, you are probably just talking out your ass. Yes a Lotta truth is obtained that way, but that's not where the real work is
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It's tempting to think half the country is just nuts. I think if we're about to make an assumption that big, we gotta be careful
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@Double_R
I would say a half of conservatives want another pick than trump. Plus a lot who support him in the primary r prob only doing it as a strategy and not actually their first pick. Another quarter think he sucks as a person but effective at the job and they agree on the issues. Another quarter think he can do no wrong and r brainwashed. Does this sound about right to you? We gotta consider that a Lotta folks r apolitical, so if u really break down how many folks make up those portions, I wouldn't say the country is as crazy as you might think. But yea Maybe 1 in 5 people need a swift kick in the butt and 1 in 10 r deluded
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@Double_R
You have a tendency in these trump bashing threads to overlook that a lot of his supporters largely agree with him on substantive conservative issues. You r very good at giving non substantive reasons to be against him, but many of his supporters just value the issues and r willing to overlook his bad qualities. Then there's the conservatives who want an alternative to trump but r willing to vote for him anyway if need be. It's not common for trumpeters to acknowlege he's an authoritarian and sucks as a person and still vote for him enthusiastically... the types to admit all that vote reluctantly for their own non sucky to them reasons
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@Double_R
so would you agree with the conclusion that half the country is either stupid, ignorant, or engaging in cognitive dissonance? if there's more to that half of the population, how would you describe the rest of trump supporters?
i would think there are some conservatives who dont like voting for democrats, and trump is the one standing out to throw their support behind. wouldn't quite call that cognitive dissonance, as long as they are wiilling to admit trump is a terrible person. there are plenty of trumpsters who vote for him despite acknowledging that he sucks.
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i dont have enough faith to be an atheist
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@Double_R
do you think there are reasonable trump supporters out there? can't half the country be crazy? or they are reasonable despite the fact they support trump? or maybe like nazi germany moved a whole country off the cliff, trump has led half the country off the cliff?
how would you characterize all this?
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this site needs more trump supporters, or at least trump supporters who try to take politics seriously. i cant imagine half the country has gone crazy.... where are all the sane trump supporters to come here to defend trump and to defend their support of him?
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@Best.Korea
i dont believe in bodily autonomy... i believe in external influence or coercion.
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@Best.Korea
are you choosing not to reproduce as if you have a choice to begin with, or are women choosing for you?
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@Best.Korea
so you're sayin that you dont support the death penalty for women that have abortions?
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@SethBrown
you are over scrutinizing it. if a medical doctor says there's evidence for an afterlife, then we need to assume there's something to what he says. doctors are distinguished with smarts and science.
if we can establish that a soul exists, it follows that an afterlife probably exists too, given out of body experiences and afterlife experiences usually go together. i know you just said something like "it doesn't necessarily one thing prove the other" but you are being overly posturing yourself as if you dont think an afterlife would follow a soul being proven, when that's almost certainly not the case. you are engaging in truisms but your tone and the meaning of what you say is clear and flawed.
we can't prove that dead family members proves an afterlife. but it's at least evidence to begin with, cause we should be seeing more living nonrelatives and living relatives and dead nonrelatives, but we dont. it's possible people hallucinate dead family members, given so many were close to dead family. but if this is just a hallucination, why aren't people hallucinating taylor swift? why not their best friend that died when they were in elementary school? why not their living mother as a hallucination? not everyone was super close to dead family members so the 'people are often close to dead family' argument is weak.
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@SethBrown
you look open minded. you might like this thread. id say you look like an open minded christian, but i'm not sure if you are christian? you say things that indicate that you are, but also say things that show you are willing to doubt. if you are christian, you are open to truth as a general rule, and only accept jesus based on your best pursuit of truth, and not cause someone told you to.
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@SethBrown
there's also the possibility that we are dealing with the consequences of original sin, due to the fall of man. i agree with eastern christians, that we dont inherit sin, we inherit just the propensity to sin. but even just the propensity to sin, means that on this side of heaven, there is imperfection. near death experiences teach us that a purpose of life, is to experience separation.... the next life is about unity and oneness, but this life is about separation and imperfection.
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is it possible for there to be a purpose for suffering? yes. it can help us make progress to end suffering. we are co creators in that sense. it can give people the perspective to appreciate no suffering. as jesus said, the man wasn't born with health problems because of something him or his parents did, but to give glory to God when he's one day disease free.also, asking why we still have suffering is like asking why darkness exists. that's just the way it is. can we have just light? i dont think that is possible in our reality. same way, suffering may need to exist in this reality too.of course, a person can just insist that if it's possible for suffering not to exist but does, then it isn't necessary. a person could rationally cling to that principle, but they have to admit that they might be wrong if everything i say is true, and they need to admit that the alternative view that i present is completely realistic. What if God and heaven exist, and the reality is how i present it? then the skeptic is just clinging to philosophy that has no basis in reality. the words and thoughts, the pointless ramblings, of mere men.
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@SethBrown
It is different than the apostles just making up a story. Cult members in general don't think they r making anything up. But while the theory that Jesus led a cult doesn't address your proposed ideas in your opening post, the theory is still possible, isn't it, as a natural explanation?
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@SethBrown
so you asked for a naturalistic explanation for why the apostles did what they did, and i pointed out the cult theory. why doesn't the cult theory fit the definition of an adequate naturalistic answer? do you think cult members wouldn't make up seeing a resurrected cult leader?
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@SethBrown
if someone said that jesus was a cult leader what would you say?
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ancient historians note factually that the apostles died for their faith based on what they say they saw. usually people dont die for hoaxes.... yes sometimes fanatics might die for second hand testimony or for cults, but the apostles testimony was first hand. ancient historians dont know about all the apostles, but the core ones they do know, such as peter, paul, james, and john. ancient historians called jesus a magician based on his reputation for doing mystical things. both jewish and roman ancient historians made note that jesus existed. there's a consensus among modern historians that he existed. basically, there's compelling reasons to think there might be something to this jesus story. that's not looking at miracles, near death experiences, or just looking at the writings of the apostles philosophically... as jesus said, his sheep know his voice, the shepard.
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@Best.Korea
do you like being woke? i thought sane people knew that being woke is bad, given by definition woke means irrational about identity politics. i dont know why anyone would choose to say and think woke stuff
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the fact that half of murders are committed by black people, might help explain this. despite blacks being a small minority of the population.
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@Best.Korea
oh, so a person is now a psychopath if they call their newborn son a boy. gotcha.
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@Best.Korea
what movies have good guys torturing bad guys? im sure it's out there, but i question if it's as common as you are indicating.
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fun topic
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maybe bacon doesn't prove God.
maybe bacon IS God.
all hail bacon!
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@IlDiavolo
you have a very weak argument. "the placebo effect helps heal people. therefore all inexplicable healing of incurable diseases, are based on placebo or the mind". i saw two examples in your articles... someone's burn healing faster, someone's headache going away faster. those aren't considered incurable, only things healing faster than they otherwise would. what about what were thought to be incurable illnesses being cured? what about someone who has a damaged retina suddenly being able to see, or someone with Parkinson suddenly being disease free like we see with miracles of the saints? i will admit, it's possible these 'miracles' are only related to the brain, but you are making a really weak argument that that's the case. i should just uproot everything that has been established in the congregation for the causes of the saints and elsewhere over millennia, cause you posted some flimsy science on the placebo effect?
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