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@vagabond
That is your complete quote why are you denying it?
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Added: 08.19.18 07:51AM Of course the first question is did the bible Jesus ever exist, and every credible historian will say no.
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@vagabond
still no takers
No, still no takers.
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@vagabond
You don't read well. Respond to what I wrote and not what you would like me to have written.
I did and my question is on point and simple. You made a definite statement, this is what you wrote>
Of course the first question is did the bible Jesus ever exist, and every credible historian will say no.
So I ask again, can you name some of these " credible historians" who say " no, Jesus didn't exist"?
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It appears it takes absolutely nothing to trigger liberals. Trevor Noah made a joke about the French national football (soccer to Americans) team that won the world cup which was made up of mainly black French players .
"Africa won the world cup"
Deary me, never mind, what a shame.
The French government got in on it and, as with Boris Johnson MP U.K. (letter boxes) the liberals didn't let up.
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@vagabond
every credible historian will say no.
That is opinion, of both you and the historian. Name some of the "credible historians" you say will say Jesus didn't exist...
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@Castin
Should Trevor Noah apologise for his brilliant joke ,
"YesSS! African won the world cup" . ? And " let's face it, African won the world cup".
I thought it was hilarious.
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“You could ONLY be a cowboy, Indianor a horse” ☺
I’m surprised there isn’t a threadhere by to those who make it their business to get offended on the behalf of those who arenot offended in the slightest.
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@RationalMadman
When I wrote "I am beginning to realize that"
I had in mind anyone appearing to be left leaning of course. The vile Vagabond seems to want to excuse or at least play down the behaviour of these rapist by telling us there are victims of terrorism in the east and that the terrorists in this case were not worthy of the title terrorist and "not very good terrorist" who seems to find their raping efforts "funny" and not up to the 'standard' of real rapist terrorist..
-> @vagabondYou [r] pommy 25,000 [muslims terrorist ]are really slacking off. Not very good terrorists and they still terrify you, now that's funny.
And keithprosser has since come to the conclusion that the rape victim Willie Dille is somehow being held up by the right as some kind of a "martyr", I have yet to see his reasoning or evidence for this
As far as I am concerned, those comments are leftist , it is only the left who will always attempt to play down, excuse and play whataboutery, and he mock, when it comes to islamic terrorist and criminals and illegal immigration in general.
But, this thread is not about me or you, it is about about the behaviour of the alleged muslim terrorist/gang rapists and how far they will go to force their will onto others who oppose them.
Willie Dille was terrorised by muslims, as was her family into keeping quiet and told to "stop opposing Islam" and to stop speaking out against MP Arnoud van Doorn, a converted to Islam.
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@RationalMadman
Islam is an extremely conservative culture based on the disgusting right-wing mentality of preying on the vulnerable so don't call me right-wing again
Islam is neither left or right if you were to ask a muslim which I have done many times. To paraphrase a lot of muslims will tell you - "islam is just Islam and that's that, nothing in between, it is nothing to do with politics it is just a complete set of laws and instructions from god /Allah".
Although my own opinion it that islam is everything to do with politics and not much to do with "religion". But that is my own opinion.
Sorry, but am not sure I called anyone "right wing".
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@drafterman
Just because someone wrote it down doesn’t make it true
I agree. But my point was titles. Or did you miss this ?
All priest have the title " father" and are called so by their parishioners but not a single one of them in the world is my father/ or theirs unless blood related. Same goes for Nuns have a title of Mother. They would only have value to those who are interested and believe what they are reading.
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@ethang5
I am beginning to realise that. I hope we are both wrong.For some here, that is a positive thing.
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@drafterman
What relevance or value do they have?
I think they go towards showing that Jesus was not a god but had a title son of god as did The David
All priest have the title " father" and are called so by their parishioners but not a single one of them in the world is my father/ or theirs unless blood related. Same goes for Nuns have a title of Mother.
The bible is riddles with titles that many Christians take as names when in many cases they are not. Jesus Christ is not a name , it is a title but it is amazing how many people actually believe it is a/ his name. Jesus himself has many titles in the new testament but god is not one of them.
As for value. They would only have value to those who are interested and believe what they are reading.
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but the right are trying to paint Ms Dille as a martyr
I see no evidence of that . Is all I have seen is evidence of concern and sorrow, from friends, colleagues & family and the likes of vagabond willing terrorist to do better in future.
--> @vagabondYou [r] pommy 25,000 [muslims terrorist ]are really slacking off. Not very good terrorists and they still terrify you, now that's funny.
And lets not forget the obvious and common thread running through this story and the cause of this tragic episode is islam.
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I can't make myself much planer I'm afraid. Like I have said (and you must have missed).
Why should anyone ever care about what anyone says.. at all?I suppose it depends on one's field and or interests that makes one care about a subject.
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Why should anyone ever care about what anyone says.. at all?
I suppose it depends on one's feild and or interests that makes one care about a subject.
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Those close to her seem to haveno problem accepting her allegations. She must have confided in someone.
“The suicide was confirmed by local PVV leader KarenGerbrands who said Dille ‘could no longer bear what had happened to her and thereactions she had had”.
"Wehave had multiple contacts with her, including recently,’ Hilde Vijverbergsaid. ‘There was talk of rape. We offered her help and said we need a formalcomplaint and concrete evidence to start an investigation. ‘But she did notmake a formal complaint and we did not get any concrete information to enableus to launch an inquiry,’ Vijverberg is quoted as saying".
This is not unusual for victims of rape. Manywomen report rape years after the rape took place. This is usually because theyalways fear they will not be believed.
I agree, there isno evidence been offered here, but it appears her friends and work colleagueshave no problem with her story and of course she didn’t take her own life forno reason. And of course there is the stigma and the shame rape victims feel
The effects and aftermath of rape caninclude both physical trauma and psychological trauma. Deaths associated with rape are known to occur,though the prevalence of fatalities varies considerably across the world. Forrape victims the more common consequences of sexual violence are those relatedto reproductive health, mental health, and social wellbeing.
And none of this can possibly excuse the vile, heartless and ignorant response from vagabond. The man is a heartless disgrace and a stain on this brand new forum. I can only think he is being tolerated for entertainment value IMHO.
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@vagabond
So again you make another yet another claim without a single piece of substantial evidence. To back it up. You really a vile and unbalanced,and have a very clear lack of thought or intelligence; you are actually mindless.
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A woman politician is gang raped by muslims has the lives of her family threatened and is then driven to commit suicide and is all the vile attention seeking little creature vagabond has to say is:
You [r] pommy 25,000 [muslims terrorist ]are really slacking off. Not very good terrorists and they still terrify you, now that's funny.
Without a single thought for this poor woman , her family or her children who are left behind, he thinks "that's funny"!
He is a very sick and unbalanced individual who will obviously say anything to gain the attention and the responses he craves and yearns for. He is not here to debate reasonably or even discuss anything. He should be banned immediately.
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@RationalMadman
I will admit that I wouldn't dare say this in front of most people in real life.
I understand that position very well. Many of my friends and family are the same. They withhold their true opinions in public for fear of all the left wing liberal attacks they know they can expect.
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Missing. Bruce Springsteen.
Written and recorded after listening to the wives of lost firefighters after the Islamic attack on the Twin Towers.
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A woman politician is gang raped by muslims has the lives of her family threatened and is then driven to commit suicide and is all the vile attention seeking little creature has to say is:
You [r] pommy 25,000 [muslims terrorist ]are really slacking off. Not very good terrorists and they still terrify you, now that's funny.
Without a single thought for this poor woman , her family or her children who are left behind, he thinks "that's funny"!
He is a very sick and unbalanced individual who will obviously say anything to gain the attention and the responses he craves and yearns for. He is not here to debate reasonably or even discuss anything. He should be banned immediately.
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@vagabond
--> @GreyparrotBefore the age of diversity and tolerance, when people would invade your country to grab your resources, you would go to war to protect your livelihood. Today you are expected to give up everything you and your ancestors worked hard for because breathing air makes all people equal.
Indeed and this now happening in not so Great Britain, the most over populated country in Europe. There will have to be a land grab within the next decade of farmland and green belt to accommodate these invaders.
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@vagabond
a mythical David?
Lets see your evidence that proves King David is a mythical character. Or simply shut up and go away you vile little man.
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They claim to recognise , splutter , cough, cough, splutter blah blah cough.
Oh shut up you boring vile little man. Who cares what you believe they claim. Who cares what you actually think or believe.
And still no takers. People must know you very well on this forum, and good on them. Now go away and stop being the vile pest that you are.
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@vagabond
You actually do not understand what you have wrote do you. You have just fired something off without thinking. This proves how dysfunctional and unbalanced you really are.
You are a disgusting self centered attention seeking narcissist that deserves to be banned . Your family must absolutely hate you.
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In midrashic text God refers to The David ( king David) as his messiah as his son.
Nitzevet was the mother of King David according to the Talmud
And Jesse was the father of The David /king David. he is sometimes simply referred to as son of Jesse/ bar Jesse.
So, from this we should learn that "son of God is nothing more than a title. 2000 years have passed and many Christians still haven't worked this out for themselves. And I find that shocking.
This title ' The David " as far as I know, has been handed down right out own British Royal family. King Edward for example was referred to by his family as The David or simply David.
His real and full name was Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David. But was always referred to by his last name.
His title was publically know as Edward VIII was King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire, and Emperor of India. The last Title should be of interest to any theologian, because the title Emperor means - Son of god.
Religion and the Monarchy are never far away from one another and are two sides of the same coin. Without a priest there would be no Queen or King. This goes way back to Egypt when the priests - cut out the middleman -and usurped the Pharaoh to become the only ones who could communicate directly with god or THE gods.
So to get on point. Yes Jesus was A son of god, but not a god. He came through the Royal line of THE David i.e. King David - son of Jesse or bar = son of , Jesse
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@vagabond
Words terrify you
The Dutch Politician in the op wasn't raped by words you sick vile little man. She was raped by muslim men who then threatened her with words. She then took her own life because she was told her family would be targeted if she carried on voicing her opinions about another politician who happened to be a convert to Islam.
You really are a vile, sick, attention seeking & heartless individual. And you should be banned from this forum.
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@vagabond
Still no takers?
Correct, still no takers.
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@vagabond
What an absolutely heartless ignorant and disgraceful thing to say. I don;t suppose your ashamed or even realised what you have said there do you.Not very good terrorists and they still terrify you
You horrid, vile little bastard!
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Indeed. One has to wonder why it is we are (according to left wing liberals) seemingly "compelled" to take the Africans and sub Saharan people. Their countries may well be described as "shit holes" but they are not being "persecuted". What are the seeking refuge from?
This woman seems to know a little more about this subject that I . I have actually read the document she refers to and she is not making this up.
Barcelona Declaration
And while researching that piece of blatant deceit, I came across this;
African Immigration into Europe: Why We Should Be Concerned About The Marrakech Declaration
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@vagabond
I must confess. My figures were a little off also.
The figures now officially stand at:
The UK is now home to 25,000 muslim terrorist
I apologise for my mistake.
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Not a matador amongst them
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1QQLYf7-4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1QQLYf7-4
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@vagabond
The fact is that you are lying and can't even come close to defending your lies.
You really are silly aren't you, pea brain.You are making yet another UNSUPPORTED claim.. What ever is the matter with you. Please cease your attempts at derailing another's thread because you are not a interesting enough person to start an interesting thread of your own. ☺
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@vagabond
"couple of thousand middle eastern muslims"
I think your figures a little off, sunshine. But who should be suprised?
British authorities and MI5 revealed they had 500 ongoing investigations into 3,000 jihadist extremists as potential terrorist attackers, with a further 20,000 having been "subjects of interest" . There have been over 600 Islamic terrorist plots foiled since 2014 In Britain alone.
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@ethang5
I should have included, "when sharia law is imposed and the population is 100% Muslim,
I see where you going now. Yes the liberals are determined to support anything that isn't western democracy, even if it is Islam.
it is against the law to not be Muslim.
I'm afraid I can see that time coming.
...Liberals are working towards this end, be patient you Dutch cousins.
Indeed they are. They have always been a bit stupid at wishing for something they then wished they hadn't.
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@secularmerlin
No.
Only conjecture rather than knowledge. Suppositional, theoretical, hypothetical, based on guesswork, putative, academic, notional, abstract.
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@ethang5
Everything will be nice and peaceful when Islam is the law.
I'm sorry I cannot agree with you. . The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming and doesn't take too long or great effort to research.
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@ethang5
So, exactly what is the problem?
Well it seems our quaint clog wearing European cousins have a problem with Muslim rapists and Islam in general, who are trying to rig outcomes and decisions made by anyone in opposition to Islam. It appears someone is trying to force someone to have these same views and opinions as themselves, by force.
It sounds like terrorism, to me.
terrorismˈ
The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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@vagabond
The page numbers.
So, you have absolutely nothing to offer in defence of a single one of your silly unthought out claims.
Your a little bit of a dunce aren't you really, Nothing of substance and without aforethought, here only to cause conflict and ridicule people. You have absolutely no intention of debating or discussing anything at all rationally, do you.
I see now why no one has taken to or responded to your one and only pointless, going nowhere thread. Many here seem to know you extremely well and are giving you a wide berth. It all makes sense now.
There is still this little disingenuous statement that you seem to have shot yourself in the foot with;
Actually most of the bible is fiction, fabrication and lies.
So, which parts are not lies , fabrication and fiction in your opinion?
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@Terran
It appears that I cannot make a debate and get an error. So I will try here.I am the man of prophecy. I have a long story and a long list of evidence behind the story, so I will split it up into links. The story is necessary to understand the proper context of my claim. The story goes for 11 hours. The prophecy list goes for 2 hours. The link I provide on prophecy has more than 100 sources.Story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvBqcsJG3k0&list=PLx5h-z01lsr8Med74EIRbLpxXScbRf-guProphecy list: https://t5wjoc8yksecjvzdrzttdg-on.drv.tw/Prophecy.htmlI offer one example out of the very big list.Daniel 9:25-26: Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven "sevens," and sixty-two "sevens." It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two "sevens," the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.The numbers: The 'seven sevens' has been interpreted as seventy times seven years, making up 490 years. And sixty two sevens, which is 434 years. It has been measured as being 483 years when the messiah will show up. Jerusalem has been destroyed multiple times and rebuilt at least twice, so the timeline for these events can happen more than once.Death: If you review reference [b] in the link below, death is a recent translation. The original means that he will have no-one and nothing, stripped of everything. Some versions of the Bible say 'he will be cut off and have nothing'.Jesus: He existed around the timeline prophesied in reference to a rebuilding of Jerusalem in 445 BC. 434 years and 490 years translate into 11 BC and 45 AD. While the timeline is rounded, it is rounded close but not accurately to the timeline of Jesus. The rebuilding of Jerusalem in reference to Jesus' timeline, was not in times of trouble. War did not happen in Jesus' time until the end, since war and peace have alternated in Jerusalem many times since Jesus.Me: I exist around the timeline prophesied in reference to a rebuilding of Jerusalem in 1535 AD. 434 years and 490 years translate into 1969 and 2025 AD. I was born in 1977, 3 years closer to the rounded timeline than Jesus. There are other references to me and 1969 specifically that I cannot yet reveal. The estimate of 483 years for the announcement of the messiah, translates into the year 2018, right now, this very moment. And here I am, in 2018, announcing myself as the man of prophecy. The timeline for me is more accurate than for Jesus, and the very estimate accurately represents my arrival to the very exact year. While the timeline is rounded, it is rounded very close and closer than with Jesus to the point of the estimate for my arrival being in total accuracy to the very year, this very moment. The rebuilding of Jerusalem in reference to my timeline, was in times of trouble as the 1000 year war between Christians and Muslims continued to escalate until Christians eventually won 400 years ago. Unlike with Jesus, after my arrival, war in Jerusalem has continued between Jews and Arabs to this very day, with no end in sight, despite the matter being the focus of the world stage and every effort from the rest of the world to establish Middle Eastern peace in futility, to the point of ISIS emerging, and the threat of a world war over how different powers are dealing with ISIS and who gets possession of Jerusalem.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel+9%3A25-26&version=NIVhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Jerusalem(Additional): https://www.google.com/search?&q=483+years+restore+jerusalem
I found this to be absolutely fascinating. Loved it. Thanks.
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Game of Thrones. I don't normally read fictionbut the books are terrific. Mygrandchildren bought them as a present for me so I felt compelled and obligated.The firstfive seasons of G of T are excellent and are as good and as thrilling as thebooks, but it is very noticeable in season 6&7 that they had run out oforiginal material from George RR Martin.
Martinconfesses that he had studied ancient and medieval history and had sewn many ofthese historical events into his novels which are noticeable to anyone whoknows their history. This is probably why I enjoyed the novels somuch.
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BREAKING Dutch Politician commits suicide after being gang raped for speaking out against Islam (08/08/18)
The politician the victim refers to in this video had recently converted to Islam and she opposed him and had fired him in the past.
" we will cut your neck and let you bleed slowly because you keep fighting Islam".
And does this sound familiare to anyone?
"everyone should know, the police have failed and the Politicians have failed".
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@vagabond
Actually most of the bible is fiction, fabrication and lies.
OK, now which parts are not fiction, fabrication and lies?
It is a very simply questestion. A question generated by your own statement.
It is a fact I have proved
So youkeep saying. But no one, especially me, has seen this proof. When will we see it?
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@secularmerlin
How did these gods accomplish this exodus without leaving any geological or archeological evidence?
Not a clue. And that would also depend on what one would accept as geological or archeological evidence, wouldn't it?
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@vagabond
Alls good with the world
Whatever makes you say that. The world is in a mess and no god to sort it out. Deary me, you have no idea about what's going on do you, but spout a lot as if you are a man of the world, when in reality, (that'll be the reality you keep spouting about) , you don't know jack" do you?
except for the stupidity of god belief. Keep your fantasies alive.
I agree, a belief in such a thing - has, can, will, does, and still does cause great harm. But screaming from you cot isn't going to sort anything now is it. Now. how about this evidence for all your claims. Or are you just spouting crap for attention.
You say the bible is lies, but not all lies, which parts are not lies to you? Come on , be brave, face your critics like a good mummy's little soldier.
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@vagabond
We're not discussing your claim little one
I know. I am trying to discuss your claims, but you keep avoiding. Is there something distracting you?
And I haven't made any claims bar Mars was once water according to new research.
we are discussing the lies in the great book of lies ie the bible try to keep up.
Yes we are and we are also discussing evidence or in your case lack of it. You say you have proved something, what is it you believe you have proved?
Are you being put off by the troll ethan6 or whatever?
No. I am trying to get you to support your claims. Have you read the bible? How do you know it was written in the bronze age? How do you know Everest had evolved before the flood? How do you know the earth wasn't water once? What proof do you have that other civilisations never mention a flood.
Don't worry meaningless liars like her don't last long.
Another claim without evidence. Is it allowed to call someone a liar on this new forum without evidence. that is disgraceful. It will be the forum that "won't last long" if this is allowed to continue, I'm sure.
And I haven't read her posts, just yours. so I can't say if or not she is a liar. But I will look for you while you sort out your supporting evidence. interesting you mention the three little pigs, you haven't read that either have you.
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@vagabond
I actually ask questions that the answers to which are incredibly insightful to the knowledge of the respondants.
I see. So you ask questions in a derogatory fashion because you don't have any answers of your own to offer your avid readers.
You are a prime example.
I am!? is that good or bad to ask you to explain your opinions or ask you for evidence of your claims. I have made no claims to have to supply any evidence. But you on the other hand, have spouted a lot of stuff without a single attempt at an explanation for your claims.
Keep it up,
I will.
I enjoy getting the responses I've already determined will be elicited.
"I've already determined will be elicited".
You have!? WOW! you're are a bit of an oracle on the sly aren't? You you crafty little rascal you.
Now, how about some fully supported evidence for all of you claims, sunshine, got any . I didn't think so.
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