Stephen

And genesis says we / mankind was created  to dig the land ( slaves).  The Sumerians, whose version of the the creation of  man predates the bible by thousands of years have it that we were created to mine gold and other precious metals. I suppose digging and mining amount to the same thing.

And once again [still] incomplete reading by you. Cherry-picking.

 Isaiah tells us we are created for the glory of God. 

 it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void.

Citation:

Genesis 1: 1

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  

Satisfied?

Nope. I wrote at #29  Stephen wrote:   "But your bible does.  Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible"?

Why would you cite sungod's #9 if you opposed it? Nope, youxagree with it.

And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything 

That it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void

And you can cite that from the bible can you?

How and why should I cite personal experience from the Bible? It's my experience, not any of those writers. Get it?

I'm supposed to be watching the Grandson play football today.

Is there any supposed about it?

Sounds like it's already been agreed for you.

Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything or claimed anything concerning Revelation on this thread.  So, when you are ready.

Your post #29

And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything 

That it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void

Would that be the Aten?

Aten is a Sun god who makes up the disk of the Sun.

Well, Sun God goes by many names, but they all point to worship of Sun, Stars and fire.

Have a lovely day, though Mr Sun will be hiding for most of it.

Praise the Sun!

For example, the citation many make, including you, of "an hundred and forty and four thousand" of "servants of God" [revelation 7: 4 - 8 and Rev. 14: 1, 3-5] who are claimed to be the total count of those who will be favored to live with God in heaven. 

 I havre a means to find the truth: I ask. I ask God.

TheGreatSunGod wrote: Only 144,400 survive.

Fauxlaw the High Priest wrote: You want to cite that? 

Why? Can't you cite it? 

Why should I cite that which I do not claim?

Mrs Zed is soppier than me.[..........................................]Eggs is just naturally prepacked foodstuff, a bit like a tin of beans.

TheGreatSunGod wrote: Only 144,400 survive.

Fauxlaw the High Priest wrote: You want to cite that? 

And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language:  Hebrew.

Your memory serves poorly. I am not Jewish, and not a Rabbi, and Hebrew is not my first language.

Give me a break.  I was trying to remember from some time ago,  nearly 4 years!. I apologise. I remember now, your not a Rabbi you  are in fact a " Ordained High Priest"  aren't you?  Latter Day Saints?  And an author of sorts. 

auxlaw wrote: Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6136-alcohol?page=2&post_number=36

And? Your point?

"Boyo"?  That's a Welsh term.  Scottish equivalent being - Laddie. 

And? Your point? 

And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language:  Hebrew.

Your memory serves poorly. I am not Jewish, and not a Rabbi, and Hebrew is not my first language.

fauxlaw wrote: Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6136-alcohol?page=2&post_number=36

I am an American of European heritage [Scotland and France]. Don't know where you get that, but it was not from me, boyo.

Stephen, who still has me blocked from his own hang-up with me  from three yeas ago.

He resurrected Jesus and took him to heaven.

Show me. Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.[.................] I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages. .......................I've read the Bible in English, French, Greek and Italian

fauxlaw,wrote @  Shila .Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.

fauxlaw,wrote @  Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection. 

People have this notion that nothing happens but that God made out happen. I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages.

fauxlaw,wrote @  Shila Words mean things, but not those that people insert or delete on their own.

No. The Reverend  had an hard time accepting that no one fkn cared  if or not the Church  appoints female priests or bishops.

His sermons where boring and of no interest to the few that remain here.

You'd think he'd be explaining and discussing the bible and not spending his time preaching to us how the Catholic church goes about its business.

He must have forget that his actual job i.e. his commission, was to spread the word about the teachings of Jesus.

AS IN:

The Great Commission.

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Why hasn’t he asked for help from people like you?

@fauxlawThough I think that the Adam and Eve story, was as much to do with developing social attitudes towards human sexuality, as it was about the early biological evolution of the species...Though I would suggest that that the two emerging social dilemmas were always going to be inextricably linked.

I am of the opinion, that an Interventionist Super-Intelligence (If one should exist), is far more sensible than you give it credit for.

No reason why Jesus wouldn't be a real character, set in a mythical narrative.

Sunday School day 8.  Where is it?

He replied. “A lot of people have a hard time reconciling the fact that the Church does not appoint female priests or bishops.”… or Sunday school teachers.

The trinity describes three.

It is impossible to believe in one God or consider God as the only source of truth.

I'm currently going through a lot.

Muslims invented science.

Nah Yas.

Muslims weren't invented until the 7th century CE.

No. It [Evolution] is just a theory.  It remains in the realms of theory and not "mythology". 

- The same way Astrology is just a theory of the Cosmos. Both are still mythology, still both are a bunch of myths.

- The Evolutionation Theory is mythology,

But I am behaving more like preacher now a days 

Inner peace.

so that on the day of judgement no one can say that, he or she did  not get the message

 I would just want to kill everyone if I lived under Islamic rule.

ah , yes 

Jesus did not use AI. He went by the old Bible and quoted from it.

 Unlike that clown vi_777 that cannot answer a simple yes or no question using his own brain power.

He thinks religion will be superior if generated by AI. But that would make religion beyond his grasp.

ah , yes 

Jesus did not use AI. He went by the old Bible and quoted from it.

 Ok, so when the Ayatollah Khamenei  of the Islamic State of Iran issued a Fatwa ordering the Death of Novelist Salman Rushdie was he acting in accordance with Islamic Law and its teachings?

1. Authority in Islam: Islamic law is derived from the Qur'an, Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammad), and scholarly interpretations (fiqh). However, the authority of any individual leader, including Ayatollah Khamenei, to issue a fatwa (Islamic legal ruling) is based on their position and the specific school of thought they represent. While a fatwa is an opinion on religious matters, it isn't universally binding unless accepted by the broader Islamic community or scholars of that tradition.
   

Muslims in Great a Britain are right now calling incest laws racist and asking for exceptions.

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

Do you know what a Fatwa is ? 

yes.

And who in the Islamic hierarchy  can issue a Fatwa?

That's generally the Mufti.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

Well then  if they claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet then they are Muslim. And their teaching comes directly from the Quran. Right?

well yes, but don't take it to the point that their teachings r the rzn for all this.

But you have agreed that "their teachings " come from the Quran. 

You can't say on the one hand that "these individuals" that claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet  are Muslim and their teachings come from the Quran but on the other say -  the Quran is not the reason for their actions.  You are trying to have it both ways. 

The flaw in this logic is the assumption that following the Qur'an "to the letter" automatically leads to violence.

The sooner woman starts giving birth,

@n8nrgim wrote: the quaran talks about chopping off heads and hands. self evidently false. i dont know if gettin the seventy two virgins at death thing is official teaching, but also self evidently false. 

tigerlord wrote: @n8nrgim:Do you not find it in Christianity and Judaism also in Hinduism and even in budism?#35

Islam is best.

Best what? 

Everything #12

tigerlord said: Islam is best because it provide guidance for every aspect of life.

The only virgins in Islam are found in paradise.

Islam is best.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

Well then  if they claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet then they are Muslim. And their teaching comes directly from the Quran. Right?

well yes, but don't take it to the point that their teachings r the rzn for all this.

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

Do you know what a Fatwa is ? 

yes.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

For now. BK

Depends on where you mean by "here". The Uk are on the verge of introducing blasphemy laws here in the UK. And for one religion only.

I meant here on the site, we have plenty of free speech.

The Europe is very much descending quickly into banning all kinds of speech. Muslim countries never even had free speech to begin with. Its mostly because of religious nuts who think their ideology deserves some special treatment and protection from any critique, a protection which no ideology should enjoy, really.

Really, you can promote whatever you want here. Its a free speech site. Free speech isnt common in islam, but here, you have it.