How is the fasting thing your doing forJesus going ?

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But your bible does.
No, it's not just "my" Bible. And I have advised, before, of taking caution to cite only specific verses of the Bible and count on them, only, for description of God's word to man. For example, the citation many make, including you, of "an hundred and forty and four thousand" of "servants of God" [revelation 7: 4 - 8 and Rev. 14: 1, 3-5] who are claimed to be the total count of those who will be favored to live with God in heaven. Not to put too fine a point on it, but bullshyte. That is the problem, as I have advised before, of cherry-picking verses to cite, ignoring others. Well, what of the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds , and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes , and palms in their hand; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God, which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb,..."   [Rev. 7:  9-13] Numberless is the number of people who will abide with the Lamb of God in heaven, my friend. The 144k may be leaders of these numberless host of forgiven, righteous people who will abide in heaven. Do we forget them just because you don't bother to read more of the Word than you choose?

Yeah, bullshyte. It's not me tearing words and pages out of it just so that what remains is in total agreement with me. I accept there are biblical flaws, okay?But I havre a means to find the truth: I ask. I ask God, who still reveals truths to the faithful who understand that faith is the power by which God reveals to man, today, as he has in times past. Who told God to shut his mouth? Not me, my friend.
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Period... Just uncooked black pudding.
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For example, the citation many make, including you, of "an hundred and forty and four thousand" of "servants of God" [revelation 7: 4 - 8 and Rev. 14: 1, 3-5] who are claimed to be the total count of those who will be favored to live with God in heaven. 

Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything or claimed anything concerning Revelation on this thread.  So, when you are ready.

 I havre a means to find the truth: I ask. I ask God.

That's interesting.  And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything at all in the first place?

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Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything
Your post #29

And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything 
That it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void
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Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything or claimed anything concerning Revelation on this thread.  So, when you are ready.
Your post #29
Nope. I wrote at #29  Stephen wrote:  "But your bible does.  Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible"?






And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything 
That it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void

And you can cite that from the bible can you?














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Nope. I wrote at #29  Stephen wrote:  
Why would you cite sungod's #9 if you opposed it? Nope, youxagree with it.

And you can cite that from the bible can you?
How and why should I cite personal experience from the Bible? It's my experience, not any of those writers. Get it?
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Nope. I wrote at #29  Stephen wrote:   "But your bible does.  Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible"?
Why would you cite sungod's #9 if you opposed it? Nope, youxagree with it.

Post #9 wasn't writen by me. 


And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything 
That it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void

And you can cite that from the bible can you?
How and why should I cite personal experience from the Bible? It's my experience, not any of those writers. Get it?

I see,  so that is a NO, then. There is nothing that you can cite from the bible that supports your claim. 
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How and why should I cite personal experience from the Bible? It's my experience, not any of those writers. Get it?
That is why we want you to cite it. It’s your experience.
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I see,  so that is a NO, then. There is nothing that you can cite from the bible that supports your claim. 
I said in my post #35

 it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void.

Citation:
Genesis 1: 1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  

Satisfied?

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 it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void.

Citation:
Genesis 1: 1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  

Satisfied?

No.

It doesn't say why god creating anything at all in the first place.

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Citation:
Genesis 1: 1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  

Satisfied?

No.

It doesn't say why god creating anything at all in the first place.
It says God created to opposites heaven and earth.
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It doesn't say why god creating anything at all in the first place.
Evidence, my friend, that though you think you read, or claim to read the Bible, you do not. Until you do, stop with your objections. They are empty twaddle.  I have said it is to be read cover to cover; every bloody word of it. Isaiah tells us we are created for the glory of God. His glory increases by our increase, just as a child of earthly parents  develops and increases their stature. Yeah, we even have a Mother in heaven... chew on that 


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 Isaiah tells us we are created for the glory of God. 

And genesis says we / mankind was created  to dig the land ( slaves).  The Sumerians, whose version of the the creation of  man predates the bible by thousands of years have it that we were created to mine gold and other precious metals. I suppose digging and mining amount to the same thing.
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And genesis says we / mankind was created  to dig the land ( slaves).
And once again [still] incomplete reading by you. Cherry-picking. There are worms in that cherry.
 The very first mention of man does not occur  until verse 26 of Chapter 1, in Genesis, and it is not a mention of slavery.  That is your personal, complete fixation.
Try this, instead. of all creation, we are given status: "And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over [the rest of  Earth's creation]..."

I've already advised of man's glory in being created according to Isaiah. Also, Psalms 8:   "When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars.... What is man that thou art mindful of him... for thou has made shim a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor..."

Your insistence of slavery is merely acknowledged, but not condoned.  I tire of sang it. Read all of it. Every bloody word. Enough
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And genesis says we / mankind was created  to dig the land ( slaves).  The Sumerians, whose version of the the creation of  man predates the bible by thousands of years have it that we were created to mine gold and other precious metals. I suppose digging and mining amount to the same thing.
And once again [still] incomplete reading by you. Cherry-picking.

"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground. Genesis 2;5

So no crops to sow or dig up but says:  "there is no man to dig the land".  What was he digging for? maybe it was for just as the Sumerians and Genesis say:

Genesis 2:11-12   The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.




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In our image, in our likeness.
Who's?


Sort of fit's with an ISI type hypothesis I suppose.

Though written several billion years after the seeding event.


Arguing the toss over the definition and semantics of a recently compiled and published human mythological hypothesis is and always has been a fruitless exercise.


Though I would suggest that we are all slaves to existence, irrespective of our ivory towers.
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Though I would suggest that we are all slaves to existence, irrespective of our ivory towers.
That is how Christian’s justified slavery.
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Evolution justified slavery as a necessary process.

People just fell into their places accordingly.
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Evolution justified slavery as a necessary process.

People just fell into their places accordingly.
Not so. Slaves had to be captured ,relocated and shipped thousands of miles away from their homes.

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Yep, such was the process.

And you are only referring to one popular aspect of human slavery.

The white slavery of the industrial revolution, is largely overlooked.

Black and white all fell into their places, but neither died out and here we are today.

A new era of AI and human bondage.
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In our image, in our likeness.
Who's?
God is a title, not a name, and there are several others with him in the creation process; probably including the pre-mortal Jesus's Christ, who is Jehovah of the Old Testament.
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For sure.

I regard GOD as the basic principle of material existence and evolution.

And run with the idea of ISI (Interventionist Super-Intelligence) as the initiator of life and it's concurrent evolution.

Jesus the man, may have prophesised a similar idea...Though the naivety of scripture clearly indicates to me that Jesus wasn't ISI.

To refer to oneself, or be referred to as the son or daughter of GOD, is a title that could be applied to every one of us.

Similarly, the son or daughter of ISI.

It is perhaps a possibility that ISI did revisit it's Earth project several thousand years ago and was referred to as Jehovah, but I think this unlikely.

Given the nature and development of language, writing systems and scripture, the Jehovian hypothesis is clearly a more recently derived representation of the GOD principle.

It's earliest incarnation was more likely a symbol etched onto a tablet of stone.



Or...An intelligent species is continually looking for something that never was, and a greater version of itself is always going to be the most likely notion.


Have a nice day.
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Or...An intelligent species is continually looking for something that never was, and a greater version of itself is always going to be the most likely notion.
An intelligent species combined with AI is a greater version of itself.
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I cannot get around the clear notion that the flaw of AI is that it's first word tells all: artificial. Why do we need to depend on artificial. That's not reality. No wonder so many people think God is artificial.