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why didn't muhammad married a 9 years old kid bacck when he was with 15 years older woman than him ? the answer is simple he didn't dare since he was digging gold from her

I've just copied this question from facebook and I'm just asking for help here .

13 December, 2009
Mohamed Abukar Ibrahim, 48, is stoned to death by members of Hizbul Islam, a group of Somali Islamist insurgents in Afgooye, 30 km from the capital Mogadishu, on 13 December. Ibrahim had been found guilty of adultery by a local Sharia court. In February, the president of a transitional government had agreed to the introduction of Sharia law in Somalia, in order to defuse clashes between the government and local clan-based militia.

The trial court in the northern Pakistani city of Rawalpindi on Wednesday sentenced Aneeqa Ateeq under the country’s strict blasphemy laws, which impose a mandatory death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.

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in the hadith mentioned before muhammad stated that " no retaliation is payable for her blood " sounds extremely benevolent

did you know where the hajj -islamic pilgrimage- stoning the devil come from ?

the devil was trying to stop ibraham from stoning his very own son and Ibraham throw stones at him 

Now let me ask you a question ? who comes more as a devil ?

the person who ask a father to kill his own son , or the one telling him not to kill his own son ?

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Just using one's brain when one is ordered to kill his own son one should begin to question themselves and whither they are following a cult/evil god rather than following a righteous god / religion 

 

that way you'll get multiple benefits which include:

1.increase the revenue of the country 

2.muslim women themselves will get out of there homes and ask that hijjab get banned 

this will get muslim women to fight against hijjab , and will prove that many muslim women don't want to wear hijjab in the west  

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the people living in mecca the quraysh tribe were very open to religious freedom and around mecca before islam came lay many Idols uniting all the arabs as each tribe worshiped multiple idols depending on time , the existence of both christians like waraqa bin naufal and jews like :

the freedom of religion in pre-islamic times in the Arabian Peninsula along with the diversity of the gods worshipped shows a great example of freedom of religion , as long as no one insult the gods of the other that's until muhammad came with his new religion and insulted his tribes god and tried to destroy their idols,

muhammad was caught before he could do anything , being of high born in his tribe he managed to leave with slab on the rest however his followers suffering have just began since the holy book of islam which they need to recite contains insults towards the idols of the tribe claimed that those idols couldn't defend themselves therefore they are not gods  .

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now let us analyze this, imagine a person walk into a church 1500 years ago in the middle of the sermon breaks the cross and claim that jesus isn't god otherwise the cross would have defended itself , what would happen to that person ?

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let me give you another example , imagine that I rode a bulldozer and used it to demolish a mosque, burned all the qurans in there and then I claimed that allah doesn't exist otherwise the mosque would have defended itself  , how would muslims feel especially in a muslim majority country .

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after Conquest of Mecca by islam muhammad prohibited all the arabic tribes from worshiping their idols 

muhammad also destroyed all the idols , 

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before islam the Arabian Peninsula had many cultures , many religions 

after islam it had only one religion and one culture islam , 

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this tradition of destroying the land marks of other cultures like what isis did in iraq came from muhammad destroying the idols back in mecca and then in the entire  Arabian Peninsula , you might not now this but one of islamic caliphate's son tried to destroy egypt pyramids sadly or luckly he failed after only managing to leave a massive gash at one of them  

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In AD 1196, Al-Aziz Uthman, Saladin's son and the Sultan of Egypt, attempted to demolish the pyramids, starting with that of Menkaure. Workmen recruited to demolish the pyramid stayed at their job for eight months, but found it almost as expensive to destroy as to build. They could only remove one or two stones each day. Some used wedges and levers to move the stones, while others used ropes to pull them down. When a stone fell, it would bury itself in the sand, requiring extraordinary efforts to free it. Wedges were used to split the stones into several pieces, and a cart was used to carry it to the foot of the escarpment, where it was left. Despite their efforts, workmen were only able to damage the pyramid to the extent of leaving a large vertical gash at its northern face.

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the verse mentioned we as in al khader and his god -allah-

here is few that are mentioned in both the quran and the talmud/torah :

here is few stories that are mentioned in both the bible and the quran :

And they who guard their private parts , Except from their wives or those their right hands possess(slaves/war captives), for indeed, they will not be blamed -

quran 33-50 

O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess(slaves/war captives), [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

quran 4-23:24

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. -no incest-

And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess(slaves/war captives). [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.- you are allowed to f*ck the slaves/war captives -

Anas said, 'When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet (ﷺ) rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet (ﷺ) passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet (ﷺ) . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)s! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraidha and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet (ﷺ) saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet (ﷺ) then manumitted her and married her." Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet (ﷺ) pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet (ﷺ) . So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, 'Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.' He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-Sawaq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walima (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ."

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Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)

I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

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Nafi' (RAA) narrated, ‘The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) made an attack on Bani al-Mustaliq when they were unaware. He killed the men who were lighting and took the women and children as captives.’ 'Abdullah bin Umar told me about it. Agreed upon,

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I wrote a letter to Nafi` and Nafi` wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet (ﷺ) had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet (ﷺ) got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi` said that Ibn `Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn `Umar was in that army.

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muhammad did free a black slave because he was a muslim , he didn't care about the other slaves when he freed the muslim slave 

muhammad/islam was totally ok with slavery as long as the slave is not a muslim .

one of the things that I hate is how much those priest can talk about how bad homosexuality is

but ironically  multiple members of the vatican are accused of cases for child molestations and most of them are towards young boys :

claiming that homosexuality is bad while molesting young boys .....................................

Nothing can be more disgusting then religion telling people to engage in pedophilia.

one of the things which the hindu religion can't stop supporting even today

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Do you agree or not on that 

jesus true father would have been known if they had DNA tests back then ?

instead of this garbage about god's son .

why do religions -in general- fears criticism ?

would you need to be two faced and hide some stuff when you talk about your religion ?

would you need to dirty your hands and kill blasphemers and apostates ?

is it not enough that your god would punish them in the afterlife as your religion claims ?

why do islam fears satire ? 

I get that making fun of a religion is an act of sacrilege and blasphemy, but we are in 2021 

muslims consider any drawing of the prophet or allah to be an act of sacrilege and blasphemy ,

islam consider all drawings of any living being to be forbidden but you'll not be killed for it

whoever you'll be killed if you draw the prophet or allah 

I've noticed that feminists tend to hate christianity while they love islam 

quite the irony considering they stand to defend homosexuals and devil worshippers -not that I stand against any of them- 

but islam is not known for it's mercy when meeting minorities 

it's more known for bullying minorities including the minor sects that follows their same religion 

not to mention people from other religions , homosexuals , devil worshippers left winged religions , among many other things

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let us not get away from my main question which is why do feminists defend islam but not christianity , why do they hate christianity and why do they love islam ?

you should know that islam now resembles ancient christianity where even the smallest criticism would lead to accusations of blasphemy  and probably death if not in real life it would be a social death 

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does this means that ancient christianity and it's methods to deal with critics was right ?

would feminists defend and love christianity the same way they are defending and loving islam if christianity returned to it's old ways ?

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when I began debating religious people I was expecting people to criticize me for attacking christianity and making fun of it but I was surprised when I got criticized for making fun of islam , I thought aren't those people living in the west why are they defending islam instead of defending christianity ?

however when I make fun of christianity I found those people on my side and some of them even encouraged me , what kind of mentality is this exactly ?

Let us begin with one of my favorite  :

quran 68:1

and here I would like to reference islam wiki

b).The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38) sahih bukhari

Until, when he came to the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield. 

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we as a human beings have a limited life span , since it's pretty obvious we can't do an in depth study of all the religions out there , or in order to do that we will need multiple life times , however we can place multiple parameters to judge religion , and here I would like to mention few :

1.moral parameters :

when we are judging the moral values mentioned by that religion and this is just half of that , like we will not accept any religion that's ok with eating living humans , allows the marriage of little children , or discriminate with homosexuals ,

**ignore the part of discriminating with homosexuals since in ancient time s the number of people living on earth was very small and they needed every one to contribute to the community and continuing and helping the survival of the human race along with the abysmal chance of survival of babys  

but that is not accepted today .

the moral values of the person carrying the message of god ,in other words the chosen person by that god to send his message :

let us say this a child rapist enter your house and tells you I'm chosen by god to deliver his message would you :

a.call the police.

b.call the police

c. call the f***ing police

and don't tell me that back then it was OK since the person chosen by god should know that this is wrong for one of two reasons :

1. he/she take their moral values from their god

2. god is omnipotent being and should have known that in the future people will see this as wrong .

--this is where the prophet of islam fails in his marriage from 6 years old child where he consummated his marriage with her at 9 -Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 ,  Book 67, Hadith 70 ,Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65-

add to that that muhammad had no children with aisha , he had children with other wives but most of them died but only two he didn't have children with

1. was too old to have children

2.was too young (9 years old or less) to have any children

--this is also where many hindu gods fail , the list is too tall to be mentioned at once --

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now that we cleared the moral parameters we move to the next

the scientific parameters :

religion needs to provide a scientific evidence to be reviewed and checked by both linguistical experts in the language of the original text and scientist to check whether it's true or false take islam for example :

they claim that god mentioned the stages of the creation of the embryo  , sadly though not only it's wrong but allah got the number of months women get pregnant wrong ,I think I mentioned the widening of the universe before , and how they deceive with similar words 

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now that we cleared the previous two we can move to the third one 

the logical parameters :

basically no supernatural elements -you might as will discard all religions here-

and I don't mean just supernatural creature like werewolves , vampires , angels , demons ,,,,,oh wait GOD too

I'm talking about stories like that of hercules

I mean we live in this world and we have analyze it with science and such feats can't be achieved now let alone back then

unlike the prophet of islam muhammad who split the moon and yet no one saw it other than the arabs living around mecca , who also happen to be all muslim believers ,every single one narrating this story was a muslim

chinese people who worship the moon/(believed immortals lived there) didn't see it , the maya and inka didn't see it (they sacrifice people everyday so the sun would come up the next day), Achaemenid Empire didn't see it , the roman empire didn't see it , people living in africa didn't see it ,

no one on earth other than

only muhammad , his follower and the believers of islam saw it .

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also muhammad went to outer space and beyond on the back of al-buraq -a mythical creature that looks like a donkey but with wings/flying donkey-

forgot to mention outer space doesn't have oxygen/air to breath

pretty hard to miss since humans need to breath in order to stay alive and suffering from asphyxiation can be both memorable and painful

or that the earth is a sphere

please provide a similar case to a religion of your own choosing

when arguing with a religious person , whenever you try to apply logic to their god you'll hear the saying "our human logic doesn't apply to god/gods" ,or "god/gods is omnipotent and logic doesn't apply to it "

so here is a questions

1.how are we humans supposed to discuss god if logic doesn't apply to it

2.if god is omnipotent then every single god/gods from each religion has the chance of being the true god since god is omnipotent + logic doesn't apply to it + god can do whatever it wants 

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1.muslims claim that there's only one god and god wouldn't take a wife or a child, why ? because if there's 2 gods and they had different opinions they will have a fight , your judging god according to human logic you're telling god what he can and can't do .

2.hindu claim that god took a wife and had children to teach us the importance of building a family as it's the corner stone of society , but that's also according to our human logic if you ask them how do they decide things if two gods have 2 different opinions , they will tell you that's the matter of the gods and our logic doesn't apply to them .

3.christains claim there's one god with different vessels , I argued with a christian and he said ,:"it's something like an pc rpg , you can play a worrior ,a mage,or an assassin , you are the player controlling them , each one is different but you are one , god is one but he is represented by multiple being , vessel "

but that is also according to our human logic.

religious people telling god what he should and shouldn't do

also judging god according to our limited human logic

but when it's our turn to apply logic to their god/s we are doing something wrong after all logic doesn't apply to god

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if god interfered with reality in this life god would lose his right to judge in the afterlife, since the punishment/reward have already been delivered

many of the stories mentioned under religion are just crazy and if you remove the religious background of the story it would be placed under fiction and if someone came and told the story - without the religion- , you would probably tell them that they are lying , because such thing can't happen at the world

or at the very least not on our world .

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when I hold the bible or the quran and read them , I feel like I'm living in a magical world like I've entered the world of harry potter.

but when I look at reality I remember that I'm living in a science based world , and magic just doesn't exist ,

many of the stories mentioned in religion wouldn't be believed by anyone if you remove the religious background of it and if someone came to you and told it to you and said something like this really happened in the world , you would be like WTF man at least try to keep the lie within the believable limits so ,since when did our world have such fantasy based elements ?

is our world based on magic like how those holy books portray  it ?

splitting the red sea with a cane ?

talking with animals ?

going to outer-space (and beyoned) on the back of living being ? (how did they breath out there)

flying on swords ?

splitting the moon ? (no one saw it , very irresponsible move that would have left our planet moonless and effected the tides)

walking on water ?

reviving the dead (why the F*** are they talking about mundane daily life stuff/ shouldn't they be like " you should believe in god , hell is real , heaven is real , and spend every second worshiping since they found the truth ?)?

so much more illogical stories that have been achieved by the people who lived thousands of years ago

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now think about those stories , someone came to you and told you did you know our neighbor split the red sea with a cane would you take him seriously   ?

or he went to outer space on the back of a donkey would you believe that

or split the moon

or revived the dead from their graves

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why is we accept those stories when they come from religion but without religion they become just nonsense

is our world magic based ?,

does our world have such a thing ?,

is our world not science based ,

why don't you people replicate any of those acts ? , feel free to use your faith in any way you like to achieve that .

1. muhammad was a child rapist :

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2. he lusted after his adopted son's wife -zinab bit jahsh- , Qur'an 33:37

his adopted son mindset was " I'm so lucky to have the greatest man alive wanting my wife , I'll just divorce her , IF only I was a woman to marry the prophet "

just to show you how much brain damage one need to have to join such a cult.

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3. he was a male gold digger -used the money from his first wife after her death to marry 12 more and built his own theocracy -(she was his sugar mummy)  NOTHING can say I love you more than using all your money to marry 12 more woman after you especially that muhammad didn't dare to marry any other wife back when she was alive.

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4. he was incestuous - his adopted son's wife was also his own cousin "zinab bit jahsh "-

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5.he took over 100000 slaves and distribute them among his followers and the believers in his religion over multiple wars and battles with the disbelievers of the tribes around him , muhammad cared about ending the slavery of muslims as for non-muslims their slavery is totally fine in islam.

muhammad did free many slaves but all of them happen to be muslims

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6. encouraged child marriage :

and this is why muslims kill anyone that insult islam or muhammad

letting the murderer of a woman go since she deserves to die for the crime of insulting muhammad

the dude sounds totally benevolent more like malevolent

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