read this, then please tell me do you still believe that god exist ?
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@Lunar108
Narcissistic ecstasy, one would assume.
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@Lunar108
I see no reason for people who believe, 'not to believe, based on said article.
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@Lunar108
LMAO
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@Lunar108
When the 33-year-old man went in for a CT scan of his pelvis, doctors saw that he had a rectal-prostate fistula, a rare condition where the body develops a hole that connects the rectum with the lower urinary tract and creates all kinds of problems (like shit in one's piss and vice versa). In this man's case, the hole created a new passageway for his sperm to travel; instead of flowing out of his dick, as he might expect, it took a hard left out of his anus.
I mean, tragic... but also kind of hilarious? Maybe not the best example of the problem of suffering?
The problem of suffering is probably the #1 reason I rejected theism, but the examples foremost in my mind were things like child sex trafficking and the cancer cell and starving children. Not guy-jizzes-out-his-ass stuff.
Or maybe you were trying to say that the sheer absurdity of this genetic defect disproves God? Eh... not a strong argument, imo. But a hilarious one.
What a very professionally written article. /sarcasm. Nature happens, medical conditions happen. Not sure what god(s) have to do with it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
don't most religions claim one of those
1.god created humans in the perfect shape ,
2.god have a plan for everyone ?
3.religions tend to be extremely homophobic take islam and christianity for example.
perfect shape? a dude that cums from his @ss ?
what are god's plans for this dude? , actually he is quite lucky to be born in our age if he was born like few centuries back he would probably be crucified or executed for having this medical issue. why ? homophobia .
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@Lunar108
My, you sound bitter, to me?
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@Castin
It wasn't a genetic defect.
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@RationalMadman
it's not ,it's medical problem with the catheter being connected to the wrong place .
just imagine having this issue and getting judged for it , especially when everybody around you is ignorant and extremely religious ,
imagine having it in a country where the law have the death penalty for homosexuality, you'd probably end up but to death for something you can't control
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@RationalMadman
Yeah, my cat started crapping outside the litter box again and I got distracted and never got back to finishing the article.
But I was able to pick him up and put him in the litter box before the turd was fully out, and I think we can all agree that's what's really important here.
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@Castin
Thank the Lord for intervening and stopping your cat pooping in the chaos of not-so-predetermined events!
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@Lunar108
If your angle was that an all-knowing, all-powerful god not only engineered the man's initial suffering to need the catheter but this agony in his balls and rectum as well, I'd understand your angle.
The angle you're taking, I feel is too hyperbole. He didn't get it via gay sex. I do understand what you're suggesting but a doctor in Iran or Saudi would tell the truth, I'd presume.
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@Lunar108
don't most religions claim one of those
I can't speak for other religions. You seem to have a perverted and misconstrued idea of Christian thought.
1.god created humans in the perfect shape ,
The bible never claims humanity was created perfect. Good - even very good. But not perfect. But let's say for the sake of the argument that God did create the perfect body, sin entered the world and distorted everything including the human body. The more the body lives in sin the more corrupt it gets. The more it is likely to have flaws and problems.
2.god have a plan for everyone ?
Yes and no. It stands to reason in one sense that God - the creator of the universe has a plan for every individual and item or subject or object in the universe. Obviously nothing can move or do anything without this said plan. Christians would call this the first cause. Yet Christians also talk of second causes.
Within this second cause God has plans for the world - but mostly it is a general application - with the overall primary purpose of reconciling himself with the world through Jesus. He ordains the ends - and the means. Yet how people's plans play out - are part of what the Christian calls second causes. Hence the notion of God having a plan for everyone is both true and false. One is part of the grand master plan - but on the second part - the plan is general and not specific.
3.religions tend to be extremely homophobic take islam and christianity for example.
Christianity is not homophobic. Some Christians are homophobic. Some atheists are homophobic. Homophobia is not related intrinsically to religion.
The Bible does call homosexuality sinful. It also calls Christians to love homosexuals and to treat them with respect and with dignity. Nevertheless, the Christian is called to call out sin - no matter what form that takes. I don't call that homophobia. For me homophobia is not simply disagreeing with homosexuality and calling it sin, it is about hate and violence. It is about causing people to be disliked simply because of homosexuality. Christians are not called to be homophobic anymore than they are called to call out sin in whatever form it is. Whether that be atheism, following another religion, fascism, socialism, lustful, greedy, selfish, drunkenness, laziness, theft, or pride and arrogance. Christians are called to call the pope sinful since he like the rest of us - is sinful.
perfect shape? a dude that cums from his @ss ?
Sin has created this situation. Not the man's personal sin, sin that has invested itself in humanity since Adam and Eve.
what are god's plans for this dude? , actually he is quite lucky to be born in our age if he was born like few centuries back he would probably be crucified or executed for having this medical issue. why ? homophobia .
I don't know God's plan for this man. Hopefully, it is to repent of his sins and turn to Jesus. Hopefully it is live a normal life as possible and to use his situation to demonstrate how much God loves him. No one needs to be identified by his color, or his sex, or his orientation, or his disabilities, or his sicknesses. If they are - then that is going to cause them discomfort when things are not in their own eyes - perfect. Christians are called to be identified as the redeemed of Christ.
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@Lunar108
1.god created humans in the perfect shape ,2.god have a plan for everyone ?3.religions tend to be extremely homophobic take islam and christianity for example.
1. No.
2. Not exactly. Some have goddesses of fate who monitor and a person's path.
3. Nah. There are gay and gender neutral gods and goddesses in polytheism.
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@Tradesecret
But let's say for the sake of the argument that God did create the perfect body, sin entered the world and distorted everything including the human body.
A perfect man would not be tempted or effected by sin.
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@Lunar108
3.religions tend to be extremely homophobic take islam and christianity for example.perfect shape? a dude that cums from his @ss ?what are god's plans for this dude? , actually he is quite lucky to be born in our age if he was born like few centuries back he would probably be crucified or executed for having this medical issue. why ? homophobia .
Its more likely the case that he would be accused first of "having a demon" and then stoned or at least exiled as a "leper". This idiom was bandied around often. It could be applied to anyone and for any reason that didn't conform to the ` norm ` the rules or to anyone upsetting the status quo in those ancient times.
Jesus himself was believed to be " demon" possessed as was John the Baptist, simply for going against the grain.
Another idiom was used when speaking of someone being " dead" . The prodigal son is a good example. The wayward son was not "dead" at all. He just wished to go out and see the world for himself (and splash out his inheritance), so was said to be "dead" in the eyes of his father. When the wayward son returned his father proclaimed that his "son that was once dead and is now alive again"... and made a meal of it too by all accounts. So we see, this wasn't a miraculous physical resurrection from the "dead" to being alive again.
Luke 15:23 "Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate".
It appears that the New Testament bandies these words around often. Lazarus wasn't "dead", at all. He just lost his faith in the Jesus movement. He was wanted by the authorities, he was frightened and he wanted nothing more to do with it, so was said to have "died". To simplify this Jesus' circle considered themselves as "the living" and anyone outside this / his circle were simply referred to as the " dead". And this perfectly explains that centuries old enigmatic phrase said to have been spoken by Jesus himself " let the dead bury the dead". Christians simply cannot accept these biblical facts and want everything to be miraculous when they are nothing of the sort.
This raising from the "dead" can just as quickly be reversed too. A good example is the case of the husband and wife that didn't hand over all their money to the movement/church. Acts 5:1-20. This was an excommunication from the movement/church and nothing more.
There are no miracles in the New Testament. All of the stories that Christians like to claim as miracles all have reasonable and very earthly explanations.
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@Tradesecret
It stands to reason in one sense that God - the creator of the universe has a plan for every individual
And you tell us that you had a "calling", was this gods plan for you? And now you have had your "calling" what do the consequences entail?
The Bible says very clearly, that God gave wine to “gladden the heart of man (Psalm 104:15).”
He actually did it to cover his poor design.
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@Bones
why?
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@Tradesecret
Because he is perfect.
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@Bones
What is perfection?
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@Tradesecret
Nice.
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@Tradesecret
What is perfection?
Can we or anyone, or anything for that matter, ever be perfect Reverend "Tradey"?
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@Tradesecret
How god allegedly created humans.
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@Stephen
What is perfection?Can we or anyone, or anything for that matter, ever be perfect Reverend "Tradey"?
Great question Stephen. And like most things in the bible - it is not a simple answer.
But before we can answer your great questions - we still need someone to define for us what perfection is.
Does it mean "without flaw"? Does it mean " can never be flawed?" Does it mean better than best? Is it simply "really good"?
Is perfection as you deem? Or is it as I deem? Is there an objective understanding or measure of perfection? Or is it simply a subjective standard?
My view is that humans were created very good. And without flaw. But were they perfect? Would a perfect human be able to do imperfect things or would a perfect being be unable to do imperfect things?
If a perfect being can do imperfect things - does that make it imperfect?
Or if a perfect being cannot do imperfect things - yet they appear imperfect to an already imperfect being, is the thing imperfect or perfect?
Is the perception of an thing by an imperfect being which is done by a perfect being - going to look flawed or not flawed?
Can an imperfect being - a flawed being - really know whether what a perfect being is perfect or not? Surely the flawed being - having lost the ability to see perfectly is going to misunderstand whatever the perfect being is doing?
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@Bones
How god allegedly created humans.
I don't think the bible says that God created humans that were perfect. They were surely without flaw. But they were tempted not from within - but from without.
The temptation came from Satan.
They were also immature in the sense that they were on probation.
Like a baby born - without flaw - they needed to grow and mature.
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@Tradesecret
How god allegedly created humans.I don't think the bible says that God created humans that were perfect.
The bible says that God created man in his image, which means that the image in which man was based on is one which is perfect. Either God isn't perfect, or he isn't a very good artist.
The temptation came from Satan.
A perfect being would not be tempted by Satan.
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@Bones
How god allegedly created humans.I don't think the bible says that God created humans that were perfect.The bible says that God created man in his image, which means that the image in which man was based on is one which is perfect. Either God isn't perfect, or he isn't a very good artist.
Strawman argument. The bible says God created man after his image and likeness. God alone is perfect. Humanity was made very good. He was made without flaws. God did not make man to demonstrate his artistic skills. But even if he did - how do people determine whether art is good or not? Art is one of the most subjective fields of life. God designed the humanity to be able to make its own decisions. He did not make man to be a robot. Anyone who has been made has the ability to do right - and by implication the choice to do wrong. You still need to get back to the definition of perfect. Is it an objective standard or a subjective one?
Is perfection an illusion you hold in your imperfect mind?
The temptation came from Satan.A perfect being would not be tempted by Satan.
Why not? Is the temptation the problem or giving into the temptation? I think Jesus was perfected and he was tempted by Satan. He didn't give into the temptation. Temptation is not sinful and it is not imperfect to be able to be tempted. It is how we respond to the temptation which is the real issue.
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@Tradesecret
How god allegedly created humans.I don't think the bible says that God created humans that were perfect.The bible says that God created man in his image, which means that the image in which man was based on is one which is perfect. Either God isn't perfect, or he isn't a very good artist.Strawman argument. The bible says God created man after his image and likeness.
Genesis 1:27:“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”
Humanity was made very good.
When you make something "in the image of X", you derive the outstanding qualities of X and implement it into your creation. If God is defined within the parameters of the "omni's", that is, any attribute he posses is infinite, then deriving even a percent of God's image would yield a perfect creation, as dividing infinity by anything results in infinity.
God did not make man to demonstrate his artistic skills.
Why did he make man? I've always thought it seemed odd that a being with infinite wisdom would waste his time with little mortal creatures.
God designed the humanity to be able to make its own decisions. He did not make man to be a robot.
Determinism is a serious position that philosophers take, so even God's alleged desire to create free creatures requires strenuous justification.
Is perfection an illusion you hold in your imperfect mind?
Is perfection (God) an illusion you pray to in your imperfect mind?
The temptation came from Satan.A perfect being would not be tempted by Satan.Why not? Is the temptation the problem or giving into the temptation? I think Jesus was perfected and he was tempted by Satan. He didn't give into the temptation.
Exactly, Jesus didn't give in, just like how a perfect man shouldn't. Yet somewhere along the line, someone (who is equally a creation of God) did give in, thereby demonstrating that he is not perfect.