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@secularmerlin
Animals do not have souls as humans do.How have you determined that animals do not have souls?How have you determined that humans do?What exactly is a soul? I have never seen one.
How many people have seen your butthole? Yet you would like everyone to believe you have one. Same difference!!!
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@secularmerlin
You do not understand the difference between claims and evidence.
Any you have a lot of evidence you have never claimed. Sounds like a zero sum game you are playing.
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@crossed
What Secularmerlin is saying is if you cannot prove you are wrong then he will dismiss your inability. Isn't that what you want? You don't have evidence to prove God doesn't exist. Your failure might be more gratifying than if you succeeded. Secularmerlin's problem would be to succeed where you failed. So the burden is now in him.Darn you Harikrish!!
Harikrish biblical scholar and critical thinker!!
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@secularmerlin
You actually never started but sure.
There must be a God if you let a believer get away.
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@crossed
Be glad i am ending it here. Hopefully no hard feeling's
There can't be a God if you are not willing to defend it.
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@Castin
I already miss him. It just won't be the same without him.
Why don't you let me help you bring Ethang5 back to DART.
Do you still believe he will return after being away for almost a year?
He visits DDO several times a day to check for his daily reminders. So why isn't any effort being made to get him back on DART?
I created a thread about his confessions that would have forced him to defend. But I was accused of Doxxing.
On DDO he follows Harikrish around like the disciples followed Jesus. He needs a spiritual leader and no one on DART is stepping up to the plate.
Allow me the priveledge and you will have him back. He needs to feel wanted and Harikrish knows what self loathing negros need is assurance. I did research on Christianity's role in African slavery, African genetic and phenotypes. He has never been able to let go of Harikrish's research material. It gets to what the core of his problems are, how and who caused it and how to learn to live with bad Karma. He even nominated Harikrish as African Champion on DDO.
See link.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
All translations are interpretations. That us why it is the wise thing to accept the authority of the church when it comes to knowing and walking the faith.
This is what Jesus said about church authorities (religious leaders of his time) You are doing the opposite of what Jesus taught.
Luke 11:46 “Yes,” said Jesus, “what sorrow also awaits you experts in religious law! For you crush people with unbearable religious demands, and you never lift a finger to ease the burden. 47 What sorrow awaits you! For you build monuments for the prophets your own ancestors killed long ago. 48 But in fact, you stand as witnesses who agree with what your ancestors did. They killed the prophets, and you join in their crime by building the monuments! 49 This is what God in his wisdom said about you:[c] ‘I will send prophets and apostles to them, but they will kill some and persecute the others.’
The OCA site translates Mark 3:21
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Mark 3:21
21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
So the OCA site says Jesus was out of his mind I.e a madman.
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John 10:20
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
The objections raised by bishop Dimitri does not include Mark 3:21. See below.
(Genesis I: 1-2) In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
(Psalm I) Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked.
(Psalm XXII:16) My hands and feet have shriveled.
(Psalm LI:5) Indeed I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me.
(Romans V:12) Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned.
(John I:3-4) All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.
(I Timothy II:5-6) For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all-- this was attested at the right time.
(I Timothy III: 1-2) The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher.@
I have given you you two verses taken from the OCA site with links.which say Jesus was demon possessed and mad.
That Jesus was crucified should be proof enough he was a blasphemous liar and a lunatic.
The bible tells us Jesus was crucified and not sacrificed.
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@bsh1
He was banned for making personal attacks. He will be back soon.
Do you still believe he will return after being away for almost a year?
He visits DDO several times a day to check for his daily reminders. So why isn't any effort being made to get him back on DART?
I created a thread about his confessions that would have forced him to defend. But I was accused of Doxxing.
On DDO he follows Harikrish around like the disciples followed Jesus. He needs a spiritual leader and no one on DART is stepping up to the plate.
Allow me the priveledge and you will have him back. He needs to feel wanted and Harikrish knows what self loathing negros need is assurance. I did research on Christianity's role in African slavery, African genetic and phenotypes. He has never been able to let go of Harikrish's research material. It gets to what the core of his problems are, how and who caused it and how to learn to live with bad Karma. He even nominated Harikrish as African Champion on DDO.
See link.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
P,ease keep your errors to one topic so that they do not have to be refuted more than once.
Jesus lied to his generation. But his lies were passed on to succeeding generations. I am exposing his lies across multiple generations and denominations of Christians.
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@Mopac
You can repeat yourself all you want, you have a non argument. Your polemic is easily some of the flimsiest I have ever seen.I have seen 12 years old atheists make more intelligent arguments than you.
You only experience has been with 12 year old atheists. You have never faced a biblical scholar like Harikrish before.
So perhaps you'd be better off talking about subjects that you can more convincingly bullshit that you are an expert on.
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Mark 3:21
21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
So the OCA site says Jesus was out of his mind I.e a madman.
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John 10:20
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
The objections raised by bishop Dimitri does not include Mark 3:21. See below.
(Genesis I: 1-2) In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
(Psalm I) Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked.
(Psalm XXII:16) My hands and feet have shriveled.
(Psalm LI:5) Indeed I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me.
(Romans V:12) Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned.
(John I:3-4) All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.
(I Timothy II:5-6) For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all-- this was attested at the right time.
(I Timothy III: 1-2) The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher.@
I have given you you two verses taken from the OCA site with links.which say Jesus was demon possessed and mad.
That Jesus was crucified should be proof enough he was a blasphemous liar and a lunatic.
The bible tells us Jesus was crucified and not sacrificed.
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@Mopac
You are not going to get around the fact that the Greek simply does not say this.Nowhere in this passage does it say anything about Jesus' family or Jesus being "out of his mind".
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Mark 3:21
21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
So the OCA site says Jesus was out of his mind I.e a madman.
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John 10:20
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
The objections raised by bishop Dimitri does not include Mark 3:21. See below.
(Genesis I: 1-2) In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
(Psalm I) Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked.
(Psalm XXII:16) My hands and feet have shriveled.
(Psalm LI:5) Indeed I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me.
(Romans V:12) Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned.
(John I:3-4) All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.
(I Timothy II:5-6) For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all-- this was attested at the right time.
(I Timothy III: 1-2) The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher.@
I have given you you two verses taken from the OCA site with links.which say Jesus was demon possessed and mad.
That Jesus was crucified should be proof enough he was a blasphemous liar and a lunatic.
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@Mopac
Trust, much like love, is a choice not an emotion.The door is always open. It is of course, your choice.
Should Jesus be trusted?
jesus by his own admission is living in his father's house and works as a house cleaner preparing rooms for guests. He promised to return to fetch his believers, but that was 2000 years ago. Doesn't he have angels to help him or that is his punishment for failing in his earthly mission to save the Jews.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." The Romsns destroyed the nation of Israel in 70AD.
John 14: 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
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@Mopac
It is better fir a child to listen to their parents than to fight and question everything they say.The outward form of our faith is practically intended to confound the so called wise, because ours is a faith of revelation. It is impossible to come to know Christ without the humility to say, "I don't really know", the charity to truly listen and learn, and the faith to put what you are told into practice.In order to come to God, you must by your own free will direct yourself toward Him. Christ is at the door knocking, and it is your decision to get up, open the. door, and even let Him dwell within you.
Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy. His family tried to keep Jesus from revealing his mental illness.
Mark 3:21 When his family[b] heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”
But Jesus ignored them and even denied them in public.
Mark 3:31 Then Jesus’ mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, “Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you.”
33 “Who are my mother and my brothers?” he asked.
34 Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.”
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@Melcharaz
if you cannot discuss then turn away. you lose nothing by not responding to accusation or trolling.
If the Jews recognized Melchisedec from Isaiah description. Why did they fail to recognize Jesus?
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@Mopac
Also, we use the septuigant for the Old Testament primarily, not the msdoretic text which the NRSV is translated from.Also, their source texts are from Nestle-Aland, which are post textual criticism texts that do not really match our transcripts.So no, your claim that this is our bible is false.
The OCA site translates Mark 3:21
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Mark 3:21
21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
So the OCA site says Jesus was out of his mind I.e a madman.
Home / The Orthodox Faith / Scripture Readings /
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John 10:20
20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?”
The objections raised by bishop Dimitri does not include Mark 3:21. See below.
(Genesis I: 1-2) In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
(Psalm I) Happy are those who do not follow the advice of the wicked.
(Psalm XXII:16) My hands and feet have shriveled.
(Psalm LI:5) Indeed I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me.
(Romans V:12) Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned.
(John I:3-4) All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.
(I Timothy II:5-6) For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all-- this was attested at the right time.
(I Timothy III: 1-2) The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher.@
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@Mopac
Well for starters Mark 3:21...The text in Greek does not actually say what your translation says.
So what does the NRSV bible used by the Orthodox Church say?
Mark 3:21 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
21 When his family heard it, they went out to restrain him, for people were saying, “He has gone out of his mind.”
New Revised Standard Version Bible, copyright © 1989 the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
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@Mopac
I hardly would consider a healthy fear of the truth to be bad thing.
so you admit you fear the truth! Busted!!!
the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.
So you accept God is a genocidal lunatic who should be feared!!
So how do you bring yourself to love his lunatic son Jesus? The Jews rejected him.
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@Mopac
Anyone who cares to look into any of your claims, even with. the most minimal of efforts can confirm that they are based on perverse reasonings and removing scripture from context.It is certainly not that The Church missed anything.
What context was removed from a direct declaration by his family and those who heard Jesus declare Jesus was a demon possed madman?
We know he was rejected by the Jews the very people Jesus claimed God sent him to save.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Jesus blamed God for failing in his mission.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
It simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
Jesus was incoherent and spoke in parables which the disciples did not understand. That caused confusion. But what was said about Jesus was direct and simple. He was a demon possessed madman.
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@Mopac
If God so wills that I be cast into the fire, I accept God's judgement as righteous.
But God gave the Jews his moral commandments in the 10 commandments to Moses and a total of 613 commandments over time. So we know what he deems as righteous. And killing is disapproved.
in fact Jesus broke all 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments say.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.
5. Honour your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus broke many of the commandments, If not all!
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Jesus tried to claim he was God.
John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work, " said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, Because You, Who are a man, Declare Yourself to be God. "
2. You shall not make idols.
Jesus made a covenant with a cup.
Luke 22:20 In the same way, After supper He took the cup, Saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, Which is poured out for you.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Jesus said every word he spoke came from God. Unless God too was as incoherent as Jesus. God in the OT never spoke in parables. His orders were clear and direct.
Luke 18:34 But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, And they did not comprehend what He was saying.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.
Jesus broke the sabbath.
Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16).
5. Honour your father and your mother.
Jesus tried to destroy the traditional family.
Matthew 10:35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, A daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
6. You shall not murder.
Jesus murdered the truth.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "
Yet he spent his entire ministry condemning the very people he was sent to save.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
Jesus was unfaithful to God and his disciples. He left them to die even though he was given all authority over heaven and earth.
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
8. You shall not steal.
Jesus stole the words of the prophets before him and claimed they pointed to him.
Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, Explaining from all the Scriptures. . . And Jesus explained to them what was said about himself in all the Scriptures, Beginning with the books of Moses and the writings of all the prophets".
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Jesus accused God of betraying and forsaking him on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus suffered from a messiah complex and coveted the title messiah/Christ/Anointed one.
John 17:1 After Jesus said this, He looked toward heaven and prayed:
"Father, The hour has come. Glorify your Son, That your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The only true God, And Jesus Christ, Whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Scriptures tell us Jesus was tried, Convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy. . . . By the Romans. But the confusion continues.
Christians have waited for 2000 years for Jesus's return as he had promised without any success.
Preterists claims Christisns got it wrong, That Jesus returned in 70 AD.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus returned in 1874 or maybe 1914.
Others say Jesus could be the next thief who robs your house.
Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10 ESV - ("Behold, I am coming like a thief in the night! )
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@Mopac
How did the Orthodox Church miss scriptures that declared Jesus a demon possessed madman?Nonsense
You are 2000 years removed from the Jesus that the Bible speaks about. The Gospel are eyewitness accounts by those who were there and followed every word and deed of Jesus.
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
It simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
Jesus was incoherent and spoke in parables which the disciples did not understand. That caused confusion. But what was said about Jesus was direct and simple. He was a demon possessed madman.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
How did the Orthodox church missed scriptures that declared Jesus was a demon possessed madman?Nonsense
You are 2000 years removed from the Jesus that the Bible speaks about. The Gospel are eyewitness accounts by those who were there and followed every word and deed of Jesus.
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
It simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
Jesus was incoherent and spoke in parables which the disciples did not understand. That caused confusion. But what was said about Jesus was direct and simple. He was a demon possessed madman.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
Come on, even you are not do base as to be unaware that you are peddling nonsense. We of course do not believe that Jesus Christ was demon possessed.
You are 2000 years removed from the Jesus that the Bible speaks about. The Gospel are eyewitness accounts by those who were there and followed every word and deed of Jesus.
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
It simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
Jesus was incoherent and spoke in parables which the disciples did not understand. That caused confusion. But what was said about Jesus was direct and simple. He was a demon possessed madman.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
if it was the case that scriptures are not interpreted, there wouldn't be thousands of heresies as you admit that all claim scriptures and run away with a foreign gospel.
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
it simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It it was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
Jesus was incoherent and spoke in parables which the disciples did not understand. That caused confusion. But what was said about Jesus was direct and simple. He was a demon possessed madman.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Stephen
Humans first appeared in Africa. If God made humans in Africa in his image, should we assume God is Black.
Ok what is the evidence for a "god" creating black people in Africa before he is supposed to have also created white people in Africa?
The first humans appeared in Africa and gradually spread throughout the world. (Out of Africa Theory).
Because of the hot African sun Africans are black. Whites arrived in Africa during the colonial expansion of European countries.
So God had to be Black if he created the first humans(Africans) in his image. God is portrayed as white after Christisns embraced the Bible.
Ok so keeping in mind that what you have written above, when and where did this "god" create whitey?
God did not create whitey. As the humans migrated to other parts of the world the milder climate reduced the melanin pigmentation that turned their skin white. They also interbred with Neanderthals which were the survivors of a failed attempt by God to creat humans in his image before he got it right in Africa.
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@crossed
Jesus exists because his prophesy come true like pharmakeal.
Jesus never made any prophesies. Jesus only quoted the prophets of the past. His Olivet Discourses was based on Daniels prophecy.
Yes when he was asked when this will happen, he said he didn't know. Jesus was clueless all his life.
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father.
Even at his trial Jesus couldn't answer directly but said he was not of this world.
The Romans crucified this alien liar and lunatic Christians call Jesus.
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mopac
Just so you are aware, it is really easy to do what you are doing. If someone wanted to take, say, your scriptures and interpret them out of context in order to paint a picture that isn't true, they could.We The Orthodox Church consider ourselves the true successors of Israel. The Church is Israel. You mock these many denominations, but we do not believe in denominations. You are either with The Apostolic Orthodox and Catholic Church or you are heterodox.The Church since the very beginning has put a great deal more emphasis on the typological interpretation of scripture. One thing that would be beneficial for you to understand is that while we certainly venerate scripture and consider it among the highest authorities in The Church, scripture is only rightly interpreted through The Church. You don't know what we use scripture for. Your interpretations simply can't be valid, because you do not have The Holy Spirit as your helper. You do not have the grace of The Church.You can take offense, but this is what we believe. I certainly know better what I have faith in than someone who has never shared my faith.
What I quoted from scriptures don't need any interpretation or special gifts from the holy spirt to understand.
it simply says those who knew and lived during Jesus's time including his family declared jesus was a demon possessed madman.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
It it was confirmed on the cross jesus was indeed mad to blame God for his failures.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
What is further proof of insanity is Christians believe this illegitimate jewish bastard demon possessed madman died for their sins 2000 years ago.
Hitler put this belief to the test by exterminating 6 million Jews. He never found a single claim of redemption or resurrection among the Gentile Christians. who believe only dead Jews can forgive sins as taught be Jesus.
So Jesus was not only a lunatic, he was a liar too.
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@Mopac
If you say the Gospels were written by the church, then the church wants you to believe Jesus was a demon possessed madman.I believe you are the one presenting alternate falsehoods as fact.
So you accept Jesus was a madman and demon possessed? I even provided the supporting scriptures.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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@Mopac
I never did understand the stigma behind the.phrase "brainwashing". I certainly would rather have a clean mind than a defiled one.
Is that a confession you have a dirty mind that is defiled or that is your preference if given the choice?
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@RationalMadman
God codes reality in binary, there's only 1 and 0 in God's logic.1 = is0 = is notGod controls the fluctuation of what is and is not at any given time. God is enslaved to time but can make things inside the 'true time' shift back in time if she pleases (yes God is a she if you didn't know, it has to be a mother to reality by default).
Creation could only be possible if God was a she. Then Satan must have been the he before the feud started.
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@Stephen
Humans first appeared in Africa. If God made humans in Africa in his image, should we assume God is Black.
Ok what is the evidence for a "god" creating black people in Africa before he is supposed to have also created white people in Africa?
The first humans appeared in Africa and gradually spread throughout the world. (Out of Africa Theory).
Because of the hot African sun Africans are black. Whites arrived in Africa during the colonial expansion of European countries.
So God had to be Black if he created the first humans(Africans) in his image. God is portrayed as white after Christisns embraced the Bible.
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@Mopac
No, I am mocking you for expecting me to believe your self declaration in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
What is so controversial about sctiptures that describe Jesus in unflattering terms. Jesus was critical of the religious leaders too.
Do you accept Jesus was a madman and demon possessed? I even provided the supporting scriptures.
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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@Mopac
You are deserving of mockery.
Do you accept Jesus was a mad man and demon possessed?
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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@Melcharaz
This is turning adversarial, I encourage discussion, not debate.
If one cannot defend ones theological position with scriptures then all they have is Indoctrination.
The Bible is the sacred book of the Jews. It was written by Jews for Jews. But the Gentiles stole judaism from the Jews and displaced it with the Roman Catholic Church or variations of the Roman Catholic Church or 30,000 denominations of Christian churches.
Where is a Rabbi when you need one?!!
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@Mopac
No, I don't respect your self declaration. You are obviously a liar.
The scriptures don't lie.
Isaiah promised Ahaz God would send him a sign to reassure him against his enemies.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and she will call Him Immanuel.
But Ahaz never received the sign. Jesus appeared 735 years later. And jesus was not called Immanuel. Another prophecy fail.
The generation of Usaiah and Ahaz did not see that prophecy fulfilled.
So the Orthodix Church does not teach from scriptures but from pre-scripted texts not based on the Bible. You are admitting you are scripturally ignorant.
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@3RU7AL
Blaming God does you absolutely no benefitI Love taking responsibility for god's errors.Doesn't that make me into a sort of god of all gods?
You ambition is greater than your hypocrisy
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@crossed
animals have lots of furWinter will be xLots of fur will be yGod chose to design The animals with y because of xGod chose to design animals with lots of fur because of winter
So why are Eskimos just as hairless as Africans.
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@Mopac
--> @MopacI would say that Christ was Melchisedec, is Melchisedec, and will forever be Melchisedec. The Eternal Melchisedec.
What do you base your answer on?
isaiah promised Ahaz God would send him a sigh to reassure him against his enemies.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.
But Ahaz never received the sign. Jesus appeared 735 years later. And Jesus was not called Immanuel. Another prophecy failed.
The generation of Isaiah and Ahaz did not see that prophecy fulfilled.
MopacThe teachings of the church, which certainly have more authority than someone who only studies with the intent to refute.
So your Orthodiox Church does not teach from scriptures but from pre-scripted text not based on the Bible. You are admitting you are scripturally ignorant which is the Orthodox Church's objectives.
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@Mopac
You say I can not.
and I won't, not because I can't, but because you have no argument.
The argument is I am a biblical scholar and you are not. You cannot even name a modern biblical scholar you have read. So your understanding is based on archaic ignorance.
Do do you accept Jesus was a mad man and demon possessed?
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader
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@Mopac
Yes, and everyone with an iphone is a photographer.
Is that the Orthodox understanding?
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@OoDart
That is certainly a possibility.
Does that also explains why white people have struggled to understand God like they struggle with Blacks today. Which is why we have 30,000 denominations of Christians trying to interpret the Bible or words of a Black God. Jews even under went circumcision as a penis enhancement to satisfy a Black God. Go figure!!
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@Mopac
There are 3 types of believers according to Saint Basil.Those who are motivated by fear of hell are like slaves.Those who are motivated by reward of heaven are like mercenaries.Then there are those who are motivated by love of God, these are as children of God.So it is wrong to say we simlly act out of fear of damnnation.
If you are damned in hell none of the other types matter. Critical thinking!!!
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I am saying these adaptation are not adaptation but were formed via creation. It is believed by some. That when god teleported humans across the entire planet during t
According to Genesis 10 Ham and his children were the first Africans in the start of nations.
There was Noah's curse and the hot African sun that gave us negros.
But all that happened because and after the giant flood that God sent. Cause and effect?
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@Mopac
I'm afraid your opinion comes from your inadequate education concerning our faith.You are also going back to polemics.
I am a biblical scholar. You cannot even name a single modern biblical scholar you have read.
You were asked if you accept sctiptures that declared Jesus was a demon possessed madman. You got stumped by scriptures!!
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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So you cannot name a single modern biblical scholar that you have read. Proves your mind is closed just like Catholics who are told not to even read the bible on their own for fear they would develop a wrong understanding of scriptures. But that they should follow scripted teachings dictated by their Catholic Doctrine.
Do do you accept Jesus was a mad man and demon possessed?
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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@Mopac
I would say that Christ was Melchisedec, is Melchisedec, and will forever be Melchisedec. The Eternal Melchisedec.
What do you base your answer on?
isaiah promised Ahaz God would send him a sigh to reassure him against his enemies.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.
But Ahaz never received the sign. Jesus appeared 735 years later. And Jesus was not called Immanuel. Another prophecy failed.
The generation of Isaiah and Ahaz did not see that prophecy fulfilled.
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@crossed
Mountain goats have special mountain feet that help them climb in mountains.Mountains will be xSpecial mountain feet will be yGod created the mountain goat with y because of xGod created the mountain goat with special feet that help with climbing mountains. Because they live in mountains
How much of that is adaptation and not attributed to creation? Like melanin in negros to deal with the hot African sun. It leaves their skin black.
God surely did not create negros with their negroid appearance so they could be discriminated. God surely understand cause and effect!!
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@Mopac
Continued from previous post.
Scriptures prove the God of the Bible was a genocidal lunatic.
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.
13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master"s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.
14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God"s favor in killing the Ammonites.
15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother"s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother"s widow.
19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God"s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth"s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
Scriptural evidence that God was a liar and lunatic too.
God lies and sends prophets or lying spirits to deceive.
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.
Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.
Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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@Mopac
I am afraid you speak forom a position of ignorance, not of any deep insight.
Scriptural verses of a genocidal God.
Genesis 6:7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created--and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground--for I regret that I have made them.
Isaiah 24:1 Lord is going to completely destroy everything on earth.
2 Peter 3:10 The day of the Lord will come as a robber comes. The heavens will pass away with a loud noise. The sun and moon and stars will burn up. The earth and all that is in it will be burned up.
1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing "men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites " men, women, children, infants, and their cattle " for something the Amalekites" ancestors had done 400 years earlier.
6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." About 3,000 people died.
8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God"s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot"s wife for looking back at her burning home.
10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears "maul" the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means "to tear apart.")
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@Mopac
My Presbyter is a biblical scholar. He actually wrote the commentary on the Epistle to the Hebrews in The Orthodox Study Bible(A bible with commentary that works as a good way to introduce protestants to Orthodoxy)But as I said, your education is outside The Apostolic Church. That makes it rather worthless.
So you cannot name a single modern biblical scholar that you have read. Proves your mind is closed just like Catholics who are told not to even read the bible on their own for fear they would develop a wrong understanding of scriptures. But that they should follow scripted teachings dictated by their Catholic Doctrine.
Do do you accept Jesus was a mad man and demon possessed?
Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."
John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"
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@Mopac
The goal of Orthodox Christianity is theosis, which is how we understand salvation. That is, we become partakers of the divine nature and in cooperating and abiding with the divine uncreated energy of God that fills all things, we are united to divinity. This is complete after our time in this world. In this world we become co-workers with God as living icons of The Truth. Our God is The Truth. That being the case, a big part of our discipline has to do with freeing ourselves of prelest, or delusion. We recognize that the pure in heart see God, and so our discipline involves the cleansing of the nous of the influences and passions that lead us into delusion or obscure the Image of God in us.I am sure you can at least see here that we do have some in common. There is also much that is different.Reincarnation simply does not fit into our eschatology, as there is no need for multiple lives. Everything is revealed as it is in eternity, and the very same light of Truth that is paradise to those who abided in The Truth is the fiery torment that afflicts those who have lived a life in defiance of The Truth.We would also say that the idea that one can save themselves is prelest, because we understand that The Truth is what saves and liberates, not our own will. We see ourselves as having a personal relationship with The Truth, and so we say that The Truth is what cleanses us, not our own efforts. That said, we still play a part in this through what we call synergy. That is, cooperation with this divine energy. All Orthodox Christians are called to be ascetics.Though there are 30,000+ nominally Christian denominations, the oldest creeds of the church state a belief in "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church". That very Church is around today in the form of The Orthodox Catholic Church. What I am really saying here is that of these 30,000+ nominally Christian churches, there is only one Church that can legitimately be called Christian and Orthodox, and this is something that is easily confirmed in studying the history of the church.
The fact that we have 30,000 denominations of Christian is proof the early Orthodox Church was found wanting and left behind. Christianity had to evolve because the Old Testament teachings did not work for the Jews. Even Jesus who followed judaism was crucified. So the closer you are to the source like Orthodoxy the less relevant you are to modern Christianity.
Paul said to the faithful the promise was not kept. The believers are still in their graves waiting to be resurrected. Hindus dont have that problem. Reincarnation gets them back on their feet and working on their next life cycle. Some like Buddha even break through in their first attempt. No such hope for Christians. Their resurrection is dependent on Jesus returning. From dust to dust was the original Christian curse, remember?
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