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@Sidewalker
you realize the Swedish national bank hands out nobel laureates as party favors. none of those people matter after helping Biden fuckup the last 4 years.
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@FLRW
good. screw the rich. Now the poor can afford to buy them stocks
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@Double_R
Pretty sure if it was a bad idea, the radical left would be saying to go ahead. But the leftists in power are not afraid that he is wrong. They are afraid cause they know he is right. That means the end of the institutional government base of the far left elites when the people realize just what the government was holding back from the people. That means the end of the Democrat party. Well, it's actually over anyway, they just do not know it yet.
When Democrats have bad ideas, Republicans just let them do it, and reap the rewards later. 80-20 issues abound in 2025.
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@Sidewalker
Let me know when buying a unicorn will increase your standard of living, and I will look into it.
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@J.A.Prufrock
Or that you might initially want to proceed with slowly at first, testing your theories. With plenty of consultation, building up buy-in and acceptance one success at a time.
Nah, Americans are done with your status quo theories. They want a better standard of living now, not 20 years from now. The days of shitting on the average worker and lying about why they can't have nice things is over. It's time to reclaim what was once lost under the delusions of government economic managers. No more domestic red tape. No more foreign aid. Americans are not going to wait.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
We're not addicted to cheap products, the corruption in our governments and the mega corps that are entangled with them have stolen our wealth until we can't afford anything but cheap imports.
Funny that the same people against tariffs are also against removing the fraud and waste of the government.
Well, maybe more damning than funny at this point.
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@J.A.Prufrock
As far as I can tell, US auto manufacturing is already running at capacity or near capacity. There's no manufacturing plant, all tooled up and ready to go, sitting idle somewhere. There is no glut of unemployed, skilled UAW members just waiting for a shot. We don't hear of the astonishingly high production over-capacity, currently dragging on the economy, needed to step up production of ever more widgets to the level required to return to equilibrium. Nope. That kind of magical thinking is better as the plot of some After School Special.
Funny you bring this up. Your 1st statement is correct with the usual market conditions where we charge no tariffs but pay a lot to export our surplus production.
UAW head honcho Fain totally gets that we can change the market conditions where we can increase that manufacturing capacity. This is why Fain thinks your conservative ideas are full of shit. Conserving the status quo that created the rust belt isn't something Americans will allow anymore. Especially patriotic Americans.
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@J.A.Prufrock
American manufacturers facing shock increases in demand..
Oh, heaven forbid we create a market for American manufacturers. We might actually create jobs that matter...
(with all its apparently unused capital hiding under some pillow somewhere)
A good chunk of that capital is overseas. That can change. Fairly soon likely. It will be a sad day for America haters.
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I agree, cheaper labor is a way to keep costs lower. So DOGE ships all cheaper labor out of USA.
DOGE is trying to make the cost of American business lower by cutting fraud and waste. That's the other half of making it more expensive to invest in foreign manufacturing.
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@ebuc
How well did that round of Tarriffs do for USA?
Ask Detroit and all of the rust belt how paying foreign tariffs while imposing zero tariffs worked out for them.
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@Double_R
I'm used to being around people that make fun of things they do not understand. Don't feel bad.
Luddites and Malthusians will always be with us.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Their production is more efficient than ours.
And now you touched on the huge elephant in the room. That elephant that consistently ranks USA 26th on the economic freedom index. The very reason why the public demands DOGE. Because the cost of doing business in America is too damn high. Government doesn't want to fix the manufacturing problem because it will reform the crony way government controls business. And we can't go back to a time where the government was not a partial stakeholder in all private local manufacturing businesses.
Or can we?
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@J.A.Prufrock
For every manufactured good with the same cost base, for example, a 10% tariff on the foreign good will result in a 10% price increase on that foreign good in America. And a 10% tariff on the same foreign good, will result in a 9% increase on the comparable good made in America. Congratulations, you have just raised the price for that good sold to all Americans.(who choose to buy foreign sourced crap despite the price because they hate America)
Fixd.
These investors don't even have the cash to invest....
They do. They can return their overseas investments and become reformed patriots. America has plenty of cash, just not in the country. That's gonna change.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I noticed the far-left dropped the talking point that Trump wants to help the rich after he took a hammer to the wealthiest wall street investors supporting foreign imports.
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@Sidewalker
I approve of taxing foreign supporters and rewarding American patriots. Buy American. Source American. Let's make "insourcing" a thing again. Let's see what a country can look like when Americans work to help other Americans first.
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@Double_R
You don't have to give me anything genius, if the trade didn't benefit you then you wouldn't have engaged in it.
Oh, so now your position is that Americans can choose to not buy tariffed goods, thereby not increasing the prices of the things they choose to buy. Well done sir. Very well done. We can now live by your maxim:
You don't have to pay any Tariff, genius, when the trade doesn't benefit you then you won't have engaged in it.
Very well done, sir.
Alright, kiddo, let's talk about something fun, like buying toys! Imagine you love toy cars. You can buy a cool red car from your local toy store, or you can order a blue one from a faraway country. Now, let's say the grown-ups in charge decide that if you buy the blue one, you have to pay extra money. That extra money is called a tariff.
Now, here’s the thing, nobody is forcing you to buy the blue car. If you don’t want to pay extra, you can just buy the red one. Simple, right? That means the price of the red car doesn’t change just because there’s a big fee on the blue one. You’re not buying the blue one, so that extra money doesn’t affect you at all!
Some people get really confused about this. They think that if one thing gets more expensive, then everything will suddenly cost more. But that’s silly! If the blue car costs way too much, you just say, “No thanks,” and get the red car like you always did. Your piggy bank stays safe, and you still get to play with a cool car.
Now imagine someone comes along and says, "But wait! The toy store will see that the blue car is super expensive now and raise the price of the red car too!" That doesn’t make sense! If they make the red car too expensive, you might just stop buying cars at all, and they’d lose customers and market share. The toy store still wants to sell cars, so they don’t just raise prices whenever they feel like it!
The same thing happens with food, like chicken. America grows almost all of its own chicken, so when the grown-ups put big fees on chicken from faraway places, it doesn’t really change anything for you. You’re already buying American chicken, and that chicken isn’t affected by the fee. The farmers don’t suddenly say, “Hey, let’s make chicken cost more just because!” That’s not how selling things works.
Some people get mad at tariffs and orange things just because they don’t like the person who put them in place. But being mad doesn’t change how things actually work. If you don’t want to pay a tariff, just don’t buy the thing with the tariff! Nobody is making you. It’s as simple as choosing the red car instead of the expensive blue one. So next time someone tells you tariffs make everything more expensive, just smile and say,
“Not if I don’t buy it!” And then go enjoy your tariff free chicken nuggets. 🍗🐔🚗
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@Double_R
Next time don't lie and say Tariffs will raise prices on everything. Including goods made solely in America for Americans (such as chicken). You don't get paid millions to lie about that.
Either you failed to read what you quoted, or you lied deliberately. Pick one.
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We already learned this lesson during COVID. Companies don't give a shit about the greater good, they're about profits, full stop.
Your entire point was that tariffs don’t matter for goods that are made and consumed entirely in America, yet you dodged that and responded as if U.S. chicken is in direct competition with foreign imports. It’s not. The U.S. imports less than 1% of its chicken, so no matter how high a tariff is placed on foreign poultry, it has no impact on domestic pricing. Your argument would make sense in an industry with heavy import reliance, but for U.S. chicken and eggs, it’s completely irrelevant.
Your COVID example is another red herring. Supply chain disruptions during the pandemic weren’t caused by tariffs; they were caused by labor shortages, transportation breakdowns, and sudden demand spikes. Companies didn’t jack up prices because they suddenly had an epiphany about profit margins, they did it because production couldn’t keep up with demand. That had nothing to do with artificially shifting markets through tariffs and everything to do with the logistical chaos of a global shutdown.
Your lame argument boils down to a general “companies like profits” statement, which is true but meaningless in this context. Companies are always going to price their goods based on supply and demand, not just because a tariff exists somewhere in the economy. Your claim that U.S. farmers would randomly jack up prices just because foreign chicken is more expensive assumes a total misunderstanding of competition, market saturation, and consumer behavior, but hey, when derangement over Trump’s tariffs kicks in, market realities tend to fly out the window faster than an escaped rooster. 🐔 🍗 🐔 🍗 🍔 🍟
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@Double_R
That will incentivize the US company to raise their prices to increase their profit margin,
Okay, kiddo, listen up! America makes almost all of its own chicken—like 99.67% of it. We only import a tiny little 0.33%, which is basically nothing. That means no matter how high tariffs get, they can't make American chicken more expensive, because we don’t need foreign chicken!
And if I think farmers can just charge whatever they want just because there’s say, a 1,000% tariff on Chinese chicken, that just shows how little one knows about economics. Prices are set by local competition, not price hikes from stuff we barely even import.
Alright, let’s break this down further. The United States produces nearly all of its own chicken—about 99.67% of it. That means we only import a tiny 0.33%, which is so small it’s practically irrelevant. No matter how high tariffs get on foreign chicken, they won’t drive up the price of American chicken because we don’t rely on imports.
The idea that tariffs on imported chicken would somehow make domestic chicken more expensive just doesn’t hold water. Tariffs only affect imported goods, and when nearly everything we eat is already made here, the impact is nonexistent. Anyone claiming otherwise is either confused or trying to push an agenda.
This misconception often comes from a general misunderstanding of how markets work. Prices aren’t set by tariffs on products we barely import—they’re set by supply, demand, and competition among domestic producers. Even if tariffs made imported chicken completely unaffordable, it wouldn’t matter because we already get our chicken from U.S. farmers.
But some people, especially those deranged by their hatred of Trump’s tariffs, ignore market realities in their rush to criticize. They want to paint every tariff as a disaster, even when it has zero effect on the vast majority of goods. The obsession with opposing tariffs blinds them to basic economics, leading them to make arguments that just don’t add up.
If I truly believed that American farmers could suddenly start charging whatever they wanted just because there’s a 1,000% tariff on foreign chicken, that would only prove how little I understand economics. Farmers compete with each other for customers, and competition keeps prices in check. No tariff will change that fundamental rule of the market.
The reality is, American chicken prices depend on feed costs, labor, transportation, and overall market conditions, not foreign trade policies that barely touch the industry. So when someone starts panicking about chicken tariffs, they’re missing the bigger picture.
Tariffs might matter in other industries, but when it comes to American chicken, they’re irrelevant. Ignoring this reality just because of political bias against Trump’s tariffs is not an excuse to abandon basic economics. Markets don’t work the way some people wish they did, and pretending otherwise doesn’t make it true. So put down the remote, touch some grass, and maybe have a nice basket of American chicken. Or 2!
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@Double_R
no serious economist ...
Yeah, we lived through 4 years of those "serious economists"
We are seriously over their bullshit.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Bro is literally defending decades of blanket EU tariffs and then pretends Trump has no reason or rhyme to fight back.
Punitive Tariffs are an integral part of negotiations.
If EU is willing to fight Trump 4 years and risk permanently losing the market share of products they enjoy a comparative advantage over right now (mostly due to the unfair tariffs), so be it. America is a pretty resilient and innovative country, there is not much we cannot home grow here.
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@Double_R
If I have bread and mayo and you have ham and cheese, we both win by giving each other half of what we have.
If I have to give you 2 pieces of ham for 1 cheese because of tariffs, that's how people like Trump get elected.
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@Double_R
EU has always had a flat tariff on all goods from America. How is that remotely fair.
Help me out here chatzie!
Ohhh, okay, little fella! Listen up! So, the big kids over in Europe? Yeah, they made a rule that every time America wants to sell them toys, candy, or, I don’t know, tractors, America has to pay them extra money first. But guess what? When Europe wants to sell stuff to America, they don’t have to pay as much! 😲 That means Europe gets to play the game on easy mode while America has to carry a big, heavy backpack full of rocks. And when America says, “Hey, that’s not fair!” Europe just shrugs and says, “Too bad! Those are the rules!” And America, instead of taking its ball and going home, just sighs and keeps playing anyway. Kinda silly, huh?
Ohhh, buddy, it gets even sillier! 😲 So, Europe is really, really big—like a giant kid on the playground who tells everyone what to do. Because it has so many countries all working together, it can boss around smaller places and even America sometimes! If a company wants to sell things in Europe, they have to follow Europe’s special rules, even if those rules don’t make sense. And if a country does something Europe doesn’t like? BOOM! Europe says, “No more trade for you!” and makes them play alone. 😡 It’s like the biggest kid on the swings telling everyone, “If you don’t play my way, you can’t play at all!” And since nobody wants to be left out, they just nod and go along with it. Kinda sneaky, huh? 😏
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@zedvictor4
The alternative to bread and circuses is manufactured outrage. I'll be happier knowing the weak minded are out there posting selfies at a concert instead of burning Teslas and standing with a Country they were told to stand with.
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@FLRW
Don't forget that one of his college students said that he was the dumbest professor he ever had. No, No, I'm not talking about FLRporn.
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@TheGreatSunGod
What I said was correct. Tariffs have zero effect on goods made completely in America and purchased by Americans. (like chickens and eggs)
When talking heads say it will raise prices on everything, they are lying to promote an agenda.
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@Shila
Because Canada won't drop their tariffs among other things.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Tariffs will raise the price by exactly zero on every good produced by Americans...in America.
DoubleR is just lying again.
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@FLRW
lol, porn doesn't motivate me nearly as much as it does you.
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@Double_R
Yep. Government doesn't need all that hired help.
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@n8nrgim
Biden would print money and use that to subsidize tickets.
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@Sidewalker
I aint waiting around for America to start taking care of Americans.
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@Sidewalker
I won't shed a tear for traitors buying foreign shit.
Enjoy being forced to support Americans.
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In the end, I think combatting the ticket scalpers will give the working class a chance to enjoy the things usually reserved for the upper-middle class. What do you guys think?
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@Double_R
AI is fairly useful as a bullshit sniffer. Simply input the bullshit talking point, and it will correctly identify the bullshit almost all of time. So when you say something as erroneous as "America got most of its land through force" or "America protects the sovereignty of all other nations"
It can easily reprint thousands of pages of recorded history at a snap to debunk all your gaslighting of history.
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@zedvictor4
Democrats appeal to the old and often childless populations. Malthusians.
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@n8nrgim
Policy vision is what winners run on. Policy details are what the losers use as ammunition.
What was the policy vision for Democrats?
Well first it was "hope and change"
Then it was "expanded rights for lgbtq and undocumented"
People rejected all those visions once they found out the true cost of spending billions of dollars on government red tape and the true cost of destroying title 9 for women and the true cost of a declining American wage.
And what's the vision for Democrats today? Same as yesterday.
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@zedvictor4
And simply in terms of the species and societies, prosperity is variously defined.
Scientifically, there is nothing various about the definition. Luddites and Malthusians hold the majority stock in extinction theories, yet ironically they are the very ones going extinct due to their lack of progress. It's only natural that they gather moss because their stones refuse to roll.
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@n8nrgim
Did Trump win on policy?
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@zedvictor4
The Chinese definitely have the cultural edge. Americans and UKers lost all sense of what it meant to look out for their fellow country-man.
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@Double_R
He focused instead on the fact that the journalists were all democrats, as if that in and if itself proves some kind of liberal bias, which I wouldn't even argue depending on how you're defining liberal.
If that was the only metric, we could say they are just run of the mill left leaning.
Sadly, the stories they run prove they are radicalized Democrats, not the normal ones.
What's ironic is that the only time it becomes an issue is when the administration decides to inject politics into an organization like this, which is exactly what Trump is doing.
It's hardly ironic. It's expected when the left loses a culture war so badly that the president will be obligated to remove the government soldiers of the losing side of that culture war.
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@Lemming
Biden didn't have a problem serving under Obama's third term...
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@Double_R
."AI OverviewAnnex territory, in a political context, means to incorporate a territory into the domain of a city, country, or state, usually by force or without permission."The context we are talking about makes clear which usage of the term applies here, and it's just stupid to hold onto some fantasy notion that Canadians are anything but vehemently against joining the US.
I will just toss yet another silly argument over to chat GPT...
Hay chatzie, care to explain?
In U.S. history, most of the land was gained through purchases and agreements. Only sometimes has the U.S. used force to take over new territory. One peaceful example was the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, when the U.S. bought a huge piece of land from France for $15 million, which doubled the country’s size. The U.S. also bought Florida from Spain in 1819 through a treaty called the Adams-Onís Treaty, and in 1867, the U.S. bought Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million. There was also the Gadsden Purchase in 1854, where the U.S. bought a small piece of land from Mexico to complete its southern border.
However, the U.S. didn’t always gain land peacefully. Sometimes, it used force or war. The U.S. fought the Mexican-American War. When the war ended in 1848, the U.S. took not only Texas but also California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming. In Hawaii, the U.S. helped businessmen overthrow Queen Liliʻuokalani in 1893, and later, in 1898, the U.S. officially annexed Hawaii. Even though most native Hawaiians didn’t want it, the U.S. still took over.
The U.S. also used force against Native Americans. The government made treaties with tribes but often broke them and forced Native Americans onto reservations. The U.S. Army fought battles with many tribes, using violence to take their land. After the Spanish-American War in 1898, the U.S. gained Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. Even though this was through a treaty, it came after the U.S. had defeated Spain in the war.
The U.S. sometimes added new land by letting the people who lived there vote to join. One example is Texas. A long time ago, Texas was its own country after it broke away from Mexico in 1836. For almost 10 years, it was independent, but many Texans wanted to join the U.S. In 1845, they had a vote, and most people said yes. So, Texas became the 28th state. This was a peaceful and democratic way for Texas to join.
Another example is Hawaii. Even though the U.S. had taken control of Hawaii in 1898, it didn’t become a state right away. In 1959, the people of Hawaii had a vote, and almost everyone said they wanted to be part of the U.S. So, Hawaii became the 50th state. Around the same time, Alaska also had a vote. The people there chose to join the U.S., and Alaska became the 49th state. These are examples of how some places became part of the U.S. because the people voted for it.
So, while the U.S. mostly bought a lot of its land peacefully, there were also some times when it used war, force, or unfair deals to expand its territory.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Gotta love uncensored AI.
yep. It doesn't care about your partisan slants.
It will just tell you the history of the annexation of Texas as if you had the mind of a child.
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@WyIted
And that's why most intelligent Democrats have already left the party. They know now that they are being useful tools for corporate media who will exaggerate for shock value and destroy any serious Democrat candidate.
And that's why most intelligent Democrats have left corporate media.
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@Double_R
Just letting you know exactly why your party is suffocating, and who you are allowing to suck up all the oxygen.
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@Double_R
While you guys get trolled in circles over dumb stuff like this, it leaves no room for you guys to talk about rebuilding your own party. Go ahead and keep getting trolled.
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@zedvictor4
Or forced prosperity despite Luddites and Malthusians.
That's an option too.
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