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Woo Hoo, tariffs will fix everything and then some, we all get rich, no more fentanyl, more jobs, crime goes down, more sex, tariffs fix everything.

Yay for tariffs.

The best part is China pays for all of it.
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Dude what is wrong with you. 

We should allow Chinese workers to put greedy American businesses out to pasture so we can get cheaper stuff through their sweat shops.

Who cares if reciprocal tarrifs protect the American worker. American workers are lazy their jobs should be exported to Indians who will do it for $5 a day and not bitch. 

Like we need cheaper prices bro. Cheap prices when you have no money is so much better than reasonable prices when you actually do make a good living
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more sex, tariffs fix everything.
More sex? Does Trump plan to import more foreign sex workers?

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We should allow Chinese workers to put greedy American businesses out to pasture so we can get cheaper stuff through their sweat shops
What? You dont like the fact that China is destroying buisnesses in other countries worldwide?

I dont know about you, but I support People's Republic of China! 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

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More sex? Does Trump plan to import more foreign sex workers?
Ukranians women once we kill all their men by prolonging war with russia
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Ukranians women once we kill all their men by prolonging war with russia
Well, historically, many armies did kill men and spared women for themselves as a way to get more sex and offspring.
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Ukranians women once we kill all their men by prolonging war with russia
Well, historically, many armies did kill men and spared women for themselves as a way to get more sex and offspring.
American population dropped during the American wars. Too many American men were killed.
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more sex, tariffs fix everything.
More sex? Does Trump plan to import more foreign sex workers?
You mean besides Melania?

(Beat FLRW to it :)
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More sex? Does Trump plan to import more foreign sex workers?
You mean besides Melania?
We should reduce taxes on sex workers!
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Ukranians women once we kill all their men by prolonging war with russia
Well, historically, many armies did kill men and spared women for themselves as a way to get more sex and offspring.
American population dropped during the American wars. Too many American men were killed.
But the enemy's population dropped even more.

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - General George S. Patton
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I won't shed a tear for traitors buying foreign shit.

Enjoy being forced to support Americans.
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I won't shed a tear for traitors buying foreign shit.

Enjoy being forced to support Americans.
But you went and got a foreign fiancé.
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@Sidewalker

  OK, you got me !
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You cant let Melania do that here. This isnt White House!
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I bet when Christians see my pfp they will say, JESUS!
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I aint waiting around for America to start taking care of Americans. 
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We should allow Chinese workers to put greedy American businesses out to pasture so we can get cheaper stuff through their sweat shops.

Who cares if reciprocal tarrifs protect the American worker. American workers are lazy their jobs should be exported to Indians who will do it for $5 a day and not bitch. 
And you guys claim we're the ones who are brainwashed.

Tariffs will raise prices for everyone. That means people will have less money in their pockets. That means businesses will have to lay off workers and investments in new businesses will slow. That is not protecting the American worker.

Bringing manufacturing back to the US sounds great, but doing it in the insane and unpredictable way Trump is doing it, coupled with the fact that he's a lame duck president defeats the entire purpose. Building new facilities here in the US is a large and long term investment, no one is going to want to commit to it until they feel confident all of this will stabilize. We are years away from that.

And all of this is before we get to the reciprocal tariffs other countries will place on us. Trump seems to think US businesses only sell to US customers. They don't. The new clientele US companies will gain will be little more than replacements for the international clientele US companies will lose. I work for a tourist attraction, we've already lost our entire Canadian client base and international visitors is down significantly since January. They've told us specifically this is because of Trump.

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What do you mean reciprocal tarrifs from other countries. They tarrifs our cars in Europe at 10% and we tarrifs theirs at 0% for example. You want to continue lying and no people are not going to have less money if we fix trad deficits and have more money in america
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Tariffs will raise prices for everyone
Guess what letting cheap Chinese goods in does to local economy and local buisnesses. Also, almost everyone uses tariffs. I am not sure why you choose to attack Trump on his strongest point.
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Tariffs will raise the price by exactly zero on every good produced by Americans...in America.

DoubleR is just lying again.
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Tariffs will raise the price by exactly zero on every good produced by Americans...in America.

DoubleR is just lying again.
Why is Trump waging a tariff war against Canada and Mexico after he signed the USMCA which is still in effect.
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Because Canada won't drop their tariffs among other things.
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I asked ChatGPT to be neutral on benefits and harms of tariffs. It seems on the first look that they are not actually the most terrible idea, especially when faced with unfair foreign competition.

Tariffs can be beneficial under certain conditions, but their overall impact depends on a country’s specific economic context, policy objectives, and how they’re implemented. Here’s a detailed breakdown:
Potential Benefits
  • Protection of Domestic Industries:
    Tariffs can shield emerging or struggling domestic industries from intense international competition. This protection can help these industries grow until they become competitive on a global scale.
  • Revenue Generation:
    When properly structured, tariffs provide an additional source of revenue for the government without raising taxes directly on domestic consumers.
  • Negotiation Leverage:
    Tariffs can serve as a bargaining tool in trade negotiations, helping a country secure better terms or encourage trading partners to open their markets.
Potential Drawbacks
  • Higher Prices for Consumers:
    Imposing tariffs usually raises the cost of imported goods. These higher prices often get passed on to consumers, potentially reducing overall purchasing power.
  • Retaliatory Measures:
    Trading partners may respond with their own tariffs, which can hurt exporters and spark trade wars that disrupt global supply chains and economic stability.
  • Inefficiencies and Reduced Competition:
    Protective tariffs can lead to complacency among domestic producers who might face less pressure to innovate or improve efficiency due to reduced foreign competition.
  • Long-term Economic Impact:
    Over-reliance on tariffs might discourage international investment and integration into the global economy, possibly leading to slower growth and reduced economic dynamism over time.
Context Matters
  • Short-term vs. Long-term:
    In the short term, tariffs might provide a buffer for domestic industries, but in the long run, they can lead to inefficiencies and hinder economic growth if not complemented by broader economic reforms.
  • Sector-Specific Effects:
    Some sectors may benefit from protection while others suffer from reduced access to foreign markets and technology. The overall benefit of tariffs thus depends on which sectors are dominant in the economy.
  • Global Economic Environment:
    In a highly interconnected global economy, unilateral tariffs can disrupt supply chains and provoke retaliatory measures that harm multiple sectors.
Conclusion
Tariffs are a double-edged sword. They can be a useful policy tool when aimed at protecting critical industries or generating revenue during specific transitional periods. However, when applied too broadly or maintained over the long term, they risk increasing costs for consumers, inciting trade disputes, and reducing overall economic efficiency. Ultimately, whether tariffs are beneficial for a country depends on how they fit into the broader economic strategy and the current global trade environment.

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I could make AI produce hundreds of arguments for or against tariffs, but I think the argument of unfair competition very much wins this. I dont see a negation anywhere on argument that without tariffs, other countries which use cheap labor and other tricks to produce dirty cheap goods simply send their goods into another country and local economy of that country suffers because local buisnesses cant compete with those prices.
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What I said was correct. Tariffs have zero effect on goods made completely in America and purchased by Americans. (like chickens and eggs)

When talking heads say it will raise prices on everything, they are lying to promote an agenda.
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Tariffs have zero effect on goods made completely in America and purchased by Americans.
Yeah, people will just buy more US goods. If Trump reduces taxes and government spending, it might even turn that local products become cheaper.

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I dont support Trump, but I cant help but notice some people literally hate everything he does just because its done by him. The tariffs he is suggesting arent even high enough to raise prices significantly.
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Don't forget that one of his college professors said that he was the dumbest student he ever had.  No, No, I'm not talking about Greyparrot.
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Don't forget that one of his college students said that he was the dumbest professor he ever had.  No, No, I'm not talking about FLRporn.
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