GnosticChristianBishop

""If you want to me to chat with you - then please stop being so antagonistic. Calling my God genocidal is intentionally trying to rile me. ""

If female, you would think that being decreed to be of less value than a man, would suffice. No ?

Good Christ; what if you are gay?

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DL

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Being super special, I post everywhere.

I try to get believers to change to our real Gods, people, and I try to get atheists off their rumps and pushing their better morals against believers.

The bright need to help the dim see.

Atheists have to up their social duty trait.

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DL

Don't make stupid statements without an argument.

"You should not asking leading questions. Questions that assume facts without evidence.  God is neither incompetent nor stupid."

That statement is a lie, unless you can show competence and intelligence.

Ignoring all your false claims about God, by your own standards , lets see if we can chat without you lying all the time. 

"Humanity chose to rebel against God. That is the essence of it. God meant what he said would happen if humanity rebelled.  Humanity chose to rebel and went ahead anyway.  God judged the world. Absolutely. And humanity was found guilty and sentenced to death.  This GCB is justice."

You, in your Exsultet hymn, sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

You are saying the opposite.

Are you correct or is Christianity?

Why do you see failure for God in Eden while singing of Eden's success?

The Jews who invented your religion call it Original Virtue.

Why are you calling good evil?

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DL 

It is virtue signalling. As it should be.

Should the brightest moral lights, atheists and non-believers these days, not shine over the darker lights?

For evil to grow and all that my friend.

Think of the gays and females in your own family.

They will be effected by the ongoing preaching of the benefits of homophobia and misogyny that churches preach.

Think social duty.

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DL

Some deny that Noah's flood, myth or not, that it was genocide.

Some do not see Armageddon or the death of hells residence into the lake of fire as genocide either.

Those people are stupidly immoral.

The intelligent and moral will think like these.

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DL

Let me know when you want to chat with me, not at me, and when you stop adoring a genocidal prick of a God.

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DL

"Mercy and Grace that is meted out by God The Saviour of the World. "

What kind of incompetent and stupid God would have to condemn his own creation and then have to die, Not that God can fucking die, right, to remove his own condemnation? 

Do you really believe such utter stupidity?

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DL

Adulthood and moral maturity happened.

I don't think I know any but one objective moral tenet, so of course morals are mostly all subjective.

"I haven't seen a genocidal god,"

You have not read of the Jesus/ Yahweh genocidal prick?

 

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DL

Thanks for this.

I have some reading to do.

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DL

There is more than one Jesus portrayed in the bible.

The Rome created Jesus wants slaves to religion, while the Gnostic Christian free thinker wants to free us from religions.

Should the religious and non-religious people wish to be slaved or freed?

Should people fear the governments and religions, or have them fear us?

Why should people give up their autonomy?

We should not.

If we are to be in God's image, we should act like it. 

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DL

I hope you do not remain so stupid and full of supernatural beliefs.

I hope you recognize that a genocidal god is a real prick.

Moral people do, but I guess that that is not you.

Let me know if you want to chat on morals, instead of your stupid belief in the supernatural.

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DL

If your genocidal prick is great to you, you show your low moral standard.

Christians are such liars, they are hardly worth talking to.

As to Jesus, care to discuss your poor moral thinking and how you have to sin to be saved, as you ask Jesus to ignore his own laws?

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On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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DL

Our friend is not a dunce.

He just does not want to face the reality of how vile Christianity is today and Yahweh has always been.

It was great in the past but is now moral garbage.

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DL

"Yet so is Jesus rising from the dead and yet I absolutely have no question or doubt about this historical fact.  After all, the best fit for the explanation of the exponential growth of the church is the physical resurrection of Jesus."

No questions show acceptance of miracles, which is a stupid idea.

If you want me to believe your fantasy, then you have to believe mine on a real Thor.

Are you ready for reciprocity of your foolish thinking?

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DL

"I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true. "

Do you see a possibility of the talking serpents and donkeys in scriptures as being real and true?

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DL

"In my view - homosexual nature was not created by God. "

Who is God's co-creator then?

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DL

Many issues you bring up.

Christians call Eden a fall, while at the same time sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

Perhaps that is why the Jews who wrote the myth called it Original Virtue and our elevation, not our fall.

 

What position are you favoring and accepting?

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DL

Indeed.

The religious have no answers except for discrimination without a just cause.

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DL

Statism is a religion.

The religion you advocate is homophobic and misogynous.

I will let you think of the past while ignoring that they discriminate against half the world without a just cause.

You go ahead with the dead.

I will go support the living presently being abused.

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DL

I agree on genocide and mourn that Christianity and Islam venerate the dark sade and pray to devils.

That is why Gnostic Christian, centuries ago, consigned Yahweh to hell, where all such vile gods belong.

All morale people will follow suit.

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DL

You do not help my ability to understand by thinking our sexuality is man made.

Your an intelligent guy, just not too smart.

Your foolish thinking hinders and blocks your understanding.

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DL

I do not agree with all you put as we do not understand the changes, and when they happen, to change a DNA from hetero to homo.

I do not think nurture can do what you suggest and make a straight to go gay.

Nurture does not change ones DNA controlled chemistry, which is what determines our sexual preferences.

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DL

People are the best they can possibly be, at all points in time, given their history.

Even you.

If you want to think properly, read on.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
 
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
 
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
 
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
 
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
 
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
 
As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.
 
Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?
 
Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”
 
That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
 
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DL

 

Mine was to your inaccurate statement.

At least you recognize your error.

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DL

"God tells Christians not to hate fags."

They follow that as badly as they follow many other moral tenets.

I will ignore the rest of your more stupid personal garbage.

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DL

Haven't what?

Are we discussing something?

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DL

"And probably be ignored."

Only because you did not answer the O.P.

Why would I not ignore you, here as well as elsewhere, if you will not get on the fucking issues in the O.P.

Especially given your hard to read ego feeding style.

Use it on me and be ignored.

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DL

If some God did not want gays to enjoy sex, he should have put less sexual enjoyment in his creating kit.

Why does that same God create straight Christians to hate gays?

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DL

Social behavior????

What social behavior might change you from whatever you are, gay or straight,  to the other?

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DL

I will read you as saying nature.

Good enough for me.

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DL

Indeed.

Protection begins at home.

It also comes from the state that preaches for equality, while the G D religions are preaching for homophobia and misogyny.

Good luck continuing letting that happen in your neighborhoods.

You mentioned conditioning, and I wonder about what it is in our freedom loving Western conditioning that has Christians and Muslims idolize a genocidal God.

They like St. Hitler.

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DL

Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
 
I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.
 
If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?
 
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DL 

I read English.

Try writing it, if you want to be understood, stupid.

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DL 

Noetic Science will cover telepathy and it's proofs or evidence.

I am just a guy with a victim to prove my testimony.

Google will get you the toys. 

I used one about a year ago, and our military have been using that same technology for weapons deployment and tracking.

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DL

IOW, you were talking out of your large ass.

Get your dad. I like to speak to adults.

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DL

Where have I erred?

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DL

You must be well read.

Where do I differ with the usual Gnostic Christian?

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DL

"There is indoctrination into everything."

Yes, but I dislike how so many are indoctrinated by religions into homophobia and misogyny and the notion that a genocidal God is somehow a good God.

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DL

There is also indoctrination into immoral religions, that force parents to hate their gay or female children.

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DL.

"More importantly, how were those ethical systems arrived at?"

By argument, before the stupidity of supernatural belief put Christianity in the Dark Ages, where those fools remain.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.
 
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
 
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
 
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
 
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
 
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
 
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
 

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I have enjoyed listening to many of his works.

I like intelligent apologists for my side.

It is too bad that there are no decent religious apologists about these days.

I used to learn the odd thing from Christian apologists  but atheists are the better source today, --- strangely.

I guess it is all about knowing your enemy.

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DL

"That is a low IQ take, but it's your choice. "

It is the moral choice, so end in hell with you immoral genocidal prick of a God.

Moral men will pity you for being so morally low and stupid.

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DL

Sure, but it is also what some call the root of Western thinking and law under our Judeo Christian inheritance.

It is, in a small part, with much of the garbage policies in Christianity taken out, due to our secular laws ignoring the more immoral and vile homophobic and misogynous policies.

If we had not brought Christianity to heel, the secular would have had to form their own inquisitions and jihads to rid ourselves of that immoral creed.

I have links if you need education.

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DL

 

"I do fight evil every day.  I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions."

What deception are you seeing?

I see more lies and deception in the God religions.

Have you not seen the stats that show atheists to be way more moral peaceful and law abiding than believers? 

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DL

"I agree with the 10 commandments.  Not following the 10 commandments is sinful. The question is - whether all sin is evil or not? Certainly sin is not good. But does that lead ergo to evil? " 

I did not take you to be a Christian.

Only a fool would like the 10 evil commandments.

As to sin being evil, have you not sung along with Christians --- of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

God, in the bible I read, says that he created both good and evil for his pleasure.

What pleasure do you see God gaining by creating and doing evil?

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DL

"God does not control everything."

Who does, given that scriptures say God controls our desire to believe or not by his application, or not, of grace.

Read this old O.P. before your reply.

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
 
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ
 
Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
 
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
 
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
 
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
 
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
 
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
 
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
 
 
What is your choice of those two options?
 
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
 
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
 
What do you think is the truth?
 
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
 
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DL

" All one has to do join God’s people is accept that Jesus is the Lord and Savior."

True, but that is a sin to do, as it includes you abdicating your responsibility for your own sins as well as ignoring what Jesus himself taught.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Are you ready to sin to be saved?

Regards
DL 

"You'll also still have the opportunity to repent and be with God. "

Why would anyone want to spend eternity with a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous God?

Do you like St. Hitler, and do you want to spend eternity with him as well?

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DL

Are you expressing belief or Christian dogma?

"God will miraculously heal someone but leaves room for doubt."

You have seen this personally have you?

 "Faith is asked for by God and a person only has faith if there's room for doubt."

When and where did this event happen?

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DL