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I could not refute my claim either.

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"How can Jesus on one hand bring peace and on the hand tell us that he has not come to bring peace?  Is the simplistic answer to this that here is one of the many contradictions in the Bible or is there something else going on? 

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

"I'm not religious and I'm not an atheist either"

You are your own guide and master. Rather Gnostic that.

Gnostic Christians think that if we are in a simulation, the proof of it would be the same proof needed to confirm the God over God ideas, that are ancient, --- and refute a matrix systems, --- as those end in  a fractal set of realities.

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"the Resurrection of Jesus has more evidence to support it historical reality than many other things in history. "

Do not the others, what was it, 6 Gods who have dies for us in history make a difference?

Why ignore those others. Jesus and his Armageddon are likely more evil.

The Gnostic Jesus is ok, but that Roman genocidal; prick, is a prick.

Moral people will agree.

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Religions have a problem of evil.

The naturalist religion I follow does not. It does not have a sentient God.

Evolution and nature have no problem of evil.

The evil they have is only a small part of the overall good of our continuing evolution instead of extinction.

We would never give up that evil and we would all continue to do it even knowingly.

We have no choice in this.

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"Evil is subjective by nature and therefore unless you agree to a common standard with your interlocutor the conversation will break down at "is x really evil though?""

It may be both.

Do you wish to discuss xs or evil?

Evil is objectively always at the end of the graph for good and evil that denotes what we would not prefer.

Evil xs  or issues then would be subjective, as to degree of evil, but always objectively evil.

If subjective, as you say, then show where evil is ever on the good side of a good and evil graph.

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Sorry.

We are not discussing the same things.

I do not discuss things here. I am discussing moral ideas.

Call those things if you like, but we are still not even on the same page.

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Sure. I follow the dictionary.

One term, objective, applies to a tenet all the time, without exception.

Subjective will or could have exceptions.

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Impossible?

Don't be foolish.

How else does it become objective, if we do not subjectively make it so?

If you have no method, then you must accept that that is how we subjectively decide that a tenet is objective and always applies..

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???

I like and use the dictionary.   I do not deflect into arguing the definition of well defined words.

I do not know what you have against the dictionary definitions, so I will just read your words as deflection by the less bright. 

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Of course the subjective mind has to choose to make something objective.

How else could subjectivity or objectivity of a thig be accepted.

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We all have different tastes. We all know this.

Did you have another point?

Am I supposed to show what it was for you?

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To them, it was an objective moral tenet as their God always liked sacrifices.

One must try to get into the judges head.

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Not me. All of us.

That s what makes it objective.

Show why that is not true, instead of just stating it like a proven fact.

Tell us about how you like pain.

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When the vast majority agree that the Golden Rule is objective,  how can you say that morals are subjective?

Sure, there must be subjective judgement of all moral tenets, but that does not negate the objective nature of that rule when it is always chosen.

When is the Golden Rule subjective, in real sense?

 

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Tradesecret 

Too many lies and personal garbage.

Go away.

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Say losers and poor thinkers.

Ass holes abound.

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Luck has little to nothing to do with duty or success in finding decent minds.

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""If you want to me to chat with you - then please stop being so antagonistic. Calling my God genocidal is intentionally trying to rile me. ""

If female, you would think that being decreed to be of less value than a man, would suffice. No ?

Good Christ; what if you are gay?

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Being super special, I post everywhere.

I try to get believers to change to our real Gods, people, and I try to get atheists off their rumps and pushing their better morals against believers.

The bright need to help the dim see.

Atheists have to up their social duty trait.

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Don't make stupid statements without an argument.

"You should not asking leading questions. Questions that assume facts without evidence.  God is neither incompetent nor stupid."

That statement is a lie, unless you can show competence and intelligence.

Ignoring all your false claims about God, by your own standards , lets see if we can chat without you lying all the time. 

"Humanity chose to rebel against God. That is the essence of it. God meant what he said would happen if humanity rebelled.  Humanity chose to rebel and went ahead anyway.  God judged the world. Absolutely. And humanity was found guilty and sentenced to death.  This GCB is justice."

You, in your Exsultet hymn, sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

You are saying the opposite.

Are you correct or is Christianity?

Why do you see failure for God in Eden while singing of Eden's success?

The Jews who invented your religion call it Original Virtue.

Why are you calling good evil?

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It is virtue signalling. As it should be.

Should the brightest moral lights, atheists and non-believers these days, not shine over the darker lights?

For evil to grow and all that my friend.

Think of the gays and females in your own family.

They will be effected by the ongoing preaching of the benefits of homophobia and misogyny that churches preach.

Think social duty.

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Some deny that Noah's flood, myth or not, that it was genocide.

Some do not see Armageddon or the death of hells residence into the lake of fire as genocide either.

Those people are stupidly immoral.

The intelligent and moral will think like these.

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Let me know when you want to chat with me, not at me, and when you stop adoring a genocidal prick of a God.

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"Mercy and Grace that is meted out by God The Saviour of the World. "

What kind of incompetent and stupid God would have to condemn his own creation and then have to die, Not that God can fucking die, right, to remove his own condemnation? 

Do you really believe such utter stupidity?

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Adulthood and moral maturity happened.

I don't think I know any but one objective moral tenet, so of course morals are mostly all subjective.

"I haven't seen a genocidal god,"

You have not read of the Jesus/ Yahweh genocidal prick?

 

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Thanks for this.

I have some reading to do.

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There is more than one Jesus portrayed in the bible.

The Rome created Jesus wants slaves to religion, while the Gnostic Christian free thinker wants to free us from religions.

Should the religious and non-religious people wish to be slaved or freed?

Should people fear the governments and religions, or have them fear us?

Why should people give up their autonomy?

We should not.

If we are to be in God's image, we should act like it. 

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I hope you do not remain so stupid and full of supernatural beliefs.

I hope you recognize that a genocidal god is a real prick.

Moral people do, but I guess that that is not you.

Let me know if you want to chat on morals, instead of your stupid belief in the supernatural.

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If your genocidal prick is great to you, you show your low moral standard.

Christians are such liars, they are hardly worth talking to.

As to Jesus, care to discuss your poor moral thinking and how you have to sin to be saved, as you ask Jesus to ignore his own laws?

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On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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Our friend is not a dunce.

He just does not want to face the reality of how vile Christianity is today and Yahweh has always been.

It was great in the past but is now moral garbage.

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"Yet so is Jesus rising from the dead and yet I absolutely have no question or doubt about this historical fact.  After all, the best fit for the explanation of the exponential growth of the church is the physical resurrection of Jesus."

No questions show acceptance of miracles, which is a stupid idea.

If you want me to believe your fantasy, then you have to believe mine on a real Thor.

Are you ready for reciprocity of your foolish thinking?

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"I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true. "

Do you see a possibility of the talking serpents and donkeys in scriptures as being real and true?

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"In my view - homosexual nature was not created by God. "

Who is God's co-creator then?

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Many issues you bring up.

Christians call Eden a fall, while at the same time sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

Perhaps that is why the Jews who wrote the myth called it Original Virtue and our elevation, not our fall.

 

What position are you favoring and accepting?

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Indeed.

The religious have no answers except for discrimination without a just cause.

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Statism is a religion.

The religion you advocate is homophobic and misogynous.

I will let you think of the past while ignoring that they discriminate against half the world without a just cause.

You go ahead with the dead.

I will go support the living presently being abused.

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I agree on genocide and mourn that Christianity and Islam venerate the dark sade and pray to devils.

That is why Gnostic Christian, centuries ago, consigned Yahweh to hell, where all such vile gods belong.

All morale people will follow suit.

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You do not help my ability to understand by thinking our sexuality is man made.

Your an intelligent guy, just not too smart.

Your foolish thinking hinders and blocks your understanding.

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I do not agree with all you put as we do not understand the changes, and when they happen, to change a DNA from hetero to homo.

I do not think nurture can do what you suggest and make a straight to go gay.

Nurture does not change ones DNA controlled chemistry, which is what determines our sexual preferences.

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DL

People are the best they can possibly be, at all points in time, given their history.

Even you.

If you want to think properly, read on.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
 
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
 
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
 
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
 
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
 
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
 
As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.
 
Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?
 
Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”
 
That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
 
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Mine was to your inaccurate statement.

At least you recognize your error.

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"God tells Christians not to hate fags."

They follow that as badly as they follow many other moral tenets.

I will ignore the rest of your more stupid personal garbage.

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Haven't what?

Are we discussing something?

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"And probably be ignored."

Only because you did not answer the O.P.

Why would I not ignore you, here as well as elsewhere, if you will not get on the fucking issues in the O.P.

Especially given your hard to read ego feeding style.

Use it on me and be ignored.

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If some God did not want gays to enjoy sex, he should have put less sexual enjoyment in his creating kit.

Why does that same God create straight Christians to hate gays?

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Social behavior????

What social behavior might change you from whatever you are, gay or straight,  to the other?

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I will read you as saying nature.

Good enough for me.

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Indeed.

Protection begins at home.

It also comes from the state that preaches for equality, while the G D religions are preaching for homophobia and misogyny.

Good luck continuing letting that happen in your neighborhoods.

You mentioned conditioning, and I wonder about what it is in our freedom loving Western conditioning that has Christians and Muslims idolize a genocidal God.

They like St. Hitler.

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Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
 
I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.
 
If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?
 
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