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I’m recycled from Fast Food Mafia.
What about everyone else?
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Sorry I dropped the ball so badly this game, twice in fact.
I do really like the idea of mafia and town sharing some powers. The mafia role blocker is a cool idea, but if mafia can RB everyone (and there's only a couple people who get told action failed) then it's comparable to a 1x insane cop. Which isn't to say don't do that, but perhaps have one more weak investigator in town to counter balance?
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@Casey_Risk
Not everyone bothers with desperate pleading. And Austin has only expanded upon the points I’ve already made (oh plus finding out the protective actions could have failed because the target was dead, but that doesn’t make sense, protective roles prevent said deaths).
My own words are we shouldn’t look at Austin, but the way he just acted like all but plagiarizing me is something new and novel, I officially sus him.
Anyway, better to lose with dignity than to start pulling lame stunts. If town wishes to try to find the scum, great; if not then I’ll make town conceding the game to the mafia extra easy…
VTL Barney.
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP2(bk) killing/voting n/a n/a <-confirmed
☠️Graveyard☠️
Whiteflame Daruk (rock guy/ghost) NK Magnet protective Auto(rb) Auto()/RIP
- Casey, first to claim still gives a lot of credit to me. They do of course have the convenient reason why they never die.
- Savant, my top pick for behavioral reasons (not the strawman ones he claimed). That his role is limited to night isn't how I remember it working from other games, but there is a lot of custom stuff in this one.
- Lunatic, IZ TOWN
- Austin, there is no real point having suspicion on Austin. If we mislynch, him getting a protection right is our only chance. So if anyone is sus of him, look for the scum buddy instead.
- JoeBob, I'll admit I've looked past him for the very thing I've said we should not do: assume the main character must be innocent in a new hosts game. He is a protective, and we have too many of those; but I would say that throws more likelihood at the others than himself.
- Barney, I fully admit to being scummy... I guess scum had three role blocks in the first night (I look forward to the end game to know more), and aimed for people they knew could move (much like what I did). That overlap has cost us dearly, and for that you all have my apologies. I should have waited for NP2 to use my ability, but I thought by then I would have been pressured to out it, and once outed scum could have just skipped a kill to frame.
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To determine to lynch me or not, just ask if I would pull this big of a gambit so early in the game?
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@Casey_Risk
Lunatic was confirmed. Look at the thread again. BK got something like 9999999 votes.
I stand corrected!
I was remembering BK being annoyed at you for hammering, but I seems Lunatic did after all. IMO this completely town confirms him.
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@Savant
I'd have gone for either at this point, but then Barney gave a complete lack of defense, which seems pretty anti-town.
Not to OMGUS, but you were literally in the Mahabharata game, where I did the exact same thing as town; with me having explained the pro-town purpose in the end game. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11070-mahabharata-mafia-endgame?page=1&post_number=9
And you're opposed to letting Lunatic confirm himself... Whereas me, I'm trying to give town the best chance at victory; but those two slips back to back are just too much for me to still assume you're town (besides, if you're really a bleeder town will survive into the next day by lynching you).
VTL Savant
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@Savant
I suggest not bothering with voting, and just have Lunatic do it whenever he gets on.He can only use his ability once.
Yes, and he hasn't used it yet. Casey hammered yesterday. Therefore, wait for Lunatic so that he can be town confirmed.
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@AustinL0926
Ok I think that Korea spewed Joe as scum last DP. Notice how Korea attacked everyone except Joe. Might be his scumbuddy
BK was unfortunately innocent, as was whiteflame.
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King killing/voting n/a n/a <- needs to use power today
☠️Graveyard☠️
Whiteflame Daruk (rock guy/ghost) NK Magnet protective Auto(rb) Auto()/RIP
Forgot wf was the NK Magnet. This means mafia could have targeted anyone, and by not role blocking him he took the hit. On the up side, it decreases the likely mislynches (as much as we can't afford any right now, if we make it into tomorrow, having a mislynch already lined up would kill us).
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I had hoped I would have drawn the NK to myself. My power was a one off (sorry to anyone who may have followed me).
Scum killing WF is odd, since by deduction he was assured to me scum. At the same time, it does a fantastic job framing me.
By a similar deduction to what I made against BK and wf, I must be scum. It's SOP to lunch me at this point. I suggest not bothering with voting, and just have Lunatic do it whenever he gets on.
I'll try to get in a dashboard update before the thread locks. Whomever still has a protective role, aim well. You either block the NK, or this is the final day.
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@Lunatic
I only just claimed it in that last post, since I realized there wasn’t any point leaving it a mystery how I knew one of those two is scum (mafia would have a good idea my role since one of them was role blocked).
I’m Zelda, for constantly cockblocking Link I am the Cockblocker; each night I block dicks…Kidding of course (one day I should run one of these games to put stuff like that into it)
Princess Zelda of Hyrule. I have the power of Hylia, but I can’t seal stuff with it.
(If I knew the lore better, that would make more sense to me)
I’m the Mafia Roleblocker.
Each night I may target two players to potentially be roleblocked. They are only role blocked if mafia.
There are however limits. The NK itself is only blocked if I target both scum, otherwise I just block their role power. I do not get told if I hit scum, nor even if my power worked at all.
And of course I win with town.
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@Casey_Risk
BK is wholly unpredictable. It seriously gets randomized every game…
Whiteflame makes almost the exact same plays if town or scum.
All other things being equal, if I were to lose to either of them, I’d rather it be whiteflame.
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() killing/voting n/a
Barney Zelda (damsel in distress). Mafia RB. Manipulative BK/WF
Whiteflame Daruk (rock guy/ghost) NK Magnet? protective Auto(rb). <- needs new role link
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So calculations…
5 protective roles is too many. I am most distrusting of the doctor, since those often work alone, so balance issues.
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3 reported role blocks.
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X_1
I can only roleblock scum
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I targeted whiteflame and Best.Korea
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Whiteflame and best both reported being roleblocked
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X_2
Earth was nightkilled
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X_3
∏X_i = either whiteflame or Best.Korea is guilty
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So two roleblocks had to be from mafia.
Austin could be lying about being RBed, but that’s a complication to review later.
Assuming mafia could perform two role blocks, it’s really doubtful they’d pick the exact same two as me.
It’s even more doubtful that they could perform three.
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whiteflame seems more townie with accepting defeat, whereas Best.Korea is very much murder hungry.
VTL Best.Korea
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Best.Korea
I think we shouldn't lynch anyone until after Lunatic gets on to explain himself.
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() killing/voting n/a
Barney Zelda (damsel in distress) semi-confirmable ???
Graveyard
In case a lynch happens while I'm at dinner, I did some calculations and I can promise (to like 95% certainty) that either Whiteflame or Best.Korea are scum, and with 100% certainty that the other is town.
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@Savant
Let's say I'm the doctor or cop, and I don't want to get NKed... I do what scum does and makes a fake claim, which keeps my role in the game.That works because doctor and cop are usually unique roles. If a miller tried that strategy, we would lynch them.
But we're not talking about a miller right now.
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Going to defend (minor) lies.
Let's say I'm the doctor or cop, and I don't want to get NKed... I do what scum does and makes a fake claim, which keeps my role in the game.
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@whiteflame
Blocked, or unsuccessful for other reasons? And who did you target?
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() killing/voting n/a
Barney Zelda (damsel in distress) semi-confirmable ???
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@whiteflame, who did you visit?
@Lunatic, wtf? I'm actually curious about no lynches in this game, but your proof of township was supposed to be using your power.
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@Best.Korea
I don't believe any host would put that combo into the game.
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Player Claim Description Role Type NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder protective/passive n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() killing/voting n/a
This is A LOT of protective roles.
It's basically guaranteed one of them is a scum:
- Savant, Best.Korea, Austin, JoeBob, or whiteflame
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@Savant
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@AustinL0926
I think it's a good angle to explore... Just there's not much to do with it DP1.
Then there's him as a high value player (him, Lunatic, and recently you), which further makes attempting to lynch him today a fruitless endeavor.
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@Casey_Risk
Focus is shifting toward lynching you. While your defenses are limited, you should get the opportunity to speak up about this...
So, who shall we ritualistically sacrifice to the Tri-Force today?
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Player Claim Description Role NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() n/a
I also don't think this game is solved. Scum can fake some of the means of confirmation, and they can even have roles which allow role confirmation separate from faction.
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@Best.Korea
I just want to know if you will be able to confirm yourself by dp3
I'll get confirmed by then. If not, feel free to lynch me.
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Regarding Whiteflame and JoeBob...
A couple back, Whiteflame risked looking like my scum partner with a very active defense of me. We were both innocent.
So his behavior with JoeBob fits his town play. Plenty of other reasons he could be scum, just not this. In fact, if either flips scum I would be more likely to believe in the innocence of the other (as scum, he'd advise JoeBob on argument styles to defend himself, rather than risking tying two boats together in the storm).
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Player Claim Description Role NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() n/a
My gut reaction is anti-Earth. If scum and about to get lynched anyways, a cop gambit is the way to go... I will admit that it's debatable if it's confirmable or not, as it is the single easiest role for scum to fake... Still, not a lynch option today.
Whiteflame listed his role as semi-confirmable, and later even stated a tracker would need to follow him. While scum do have investigative powers and others which do not kill and do not tell the target anything, this feels organic for weak confirmation. If scum, he's wise to not over play his role utility (to be clear, I don't feel any scum vibes).
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@whiteflame
So, you think that JoeBob as part of a scum team decided to essentially CC Savant knowing that, when Savant flips town, he would be next on the chopping block?
I think JoeBob is suspicious, which is worthy of some attention.
Saying something is a counter claim (or a light counter claim, something like that), when it's not really, can easily stem from changing one's mind on which fake role to claim (yes, it can also just be a misunderstanding). Decreasing the level of counter claim, could even be a scum partner pointing out the head on the chopping block problem.
All that said, were I a vigilante, I would not spend my shot on him.
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@JoeBob
In your own words, what's the justification for Link being bulletproof?
(seriously, you can paraphrase, but never copy/paste the mod PMs; that is grounds for auto-kill)
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@Lunatic
Do you think link would not be in the game?
It's possible. Not long ago Invincible was absent when the theme made him the main character.
Mostly I believe we should not consider main characters to be town confirmed. I'm Zelda, and I think it would be a blunder to assume I'm innocent just because of that.
Plus as light as the pressure from a single vote is, it can help stimulate reactions to be read.
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@JoeBob
Ok. I am soilder. I can survive one mafia NK.
Not buying this as a counter claim for a bleeder, nor am I buying 1x bulletproof being renamed soldier.
The actual role of soldier came up in a recent game, which I believe our host was in; this makes it far less likely for him to screw up.
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I also buy the other claim a lot more, particularly with how early it was, and the commentary from the user about poor justification.
VTL JoeBob
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I believe it's a mistake to assume too little from our host.
Yes, there were problems with the setup of last game... But that gave him opportunities to receive advice and do better this game.
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@Savant
We could do the same thing in reverse, and it would be more effective. Luna uses the power today, thereby town confirming him, and then we all buddy up to him by voting for whomever he says tomorrow.
What we should do is largely vote as normal both days. Today a little less pressure, since we don’t need any wagon to actually succeed. Tomorrow, we’ll have a town confirmed player, which will mean any wagon he initiates is not initiated by scum; which doesn’t assure the best reasoning, but it creates a good default place to lend support.
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Player Claim Description Role NP1 NP2 NP3
Savant Purah (fake ID for senior discount) Bleeder n/a
Lunatic Roham (the patriarchy) King DP1() n/a
Best.Korea Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost) Confirmable
Joebob Link (hero) Confirmable
Whiteflame Daruk (rock guy/ghost) semi-confirmable
Regarding the 6, even if scum were not given fake claims, if either of them knows the game or just researched, they could have spotted enough other popular characters which the host was likely to use so slid in (which is part of why I rearranged everyone on the dashboard to be sorted by their claims as a function of time).
After reading up on the characters a bit, first I am surprised at how many of them are dead.
I'm also a little sus of Casey_Risk, due to Urbosa being a female pirate, and apparently Ganondorf is (or was) king and god of female pirates (also, female pirates are a race of people in these games)... I'd be far more sus, were they not the first to claim.
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@Lunatic
it's a pretty big one.
Are you fat shaming the king?!
I actually thought you were going to be a dragon or something when I read that.
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Iz Hyrule… See, I’m literally the town itself, so I can’t be scum! 🤣
Kidding, obviously.
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I’m Zelda. With a little cooperation from another player I’m confirmable.
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@AustinL0926
By last game I mean the aborted LotR one.
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The six seem like a fine starting place, but there’s a high probability of a mod provided fake claim among them. Still, locking scum in on a fake claim is beneficial.
Due to the theme split from LotR, I assume it’s the same classic Good v. Evil. Still, we should be open to the possibility that there are any other number of theme splits, such as in LotR, it could be humans driving out the mythical races, or girls against boys, or anything else wherein one trait unites and isolates two characters from the pack.
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Player Claim Role NP1 NP2 NP3
1. Savant Purah Bleeder n/a
2. Austin . Confirmable
3. Earth .
4. Whiteflame .
5. Lunatic .
7. Barney Mario Pipelayer your mother
8. Best.Korea .
9. Joebob .
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@Best.Korea
Can you guys say if you are one of the 6 characters mentioned by whiteflame?
You want me to find out my character this early?!
Fine... Yup, one of six.
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@Savant
I don't remember Urbosa.
The character and justification for role are mismatched, but this is common for game hosts when designing the balance.
I think it's worth making note of, but not hyper-focusing on.
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Of course if true, there is less likely to be any mafia redirection powers.
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@Savant
Zelda was one of my favorite games. That it updates the game cartridge to save your number of hearts is incredible!
Ok I actually have played newer ones, like on the Wii... I remember that every game Link gets amnesia or something so has to start over as a little kid... Ok, apparently they sucked so much because it wasn't even his Wii games my friend has me play, but DS games ported onto the Wii or something like that.
Still, Link is like the most useless hero!
I mean unless you need someone to mow the lawn...
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@Casey_Risk
Why is Urbosa a paranoid gun owner (AKA, granny)?
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A good catchup on what you need to know about the Zelda games:
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I’m Mario. Each day I may jump onto whomever is below me in the players list, killing them instantly. If I kill the blue Koopa (by jumping onto them, hammering them, or NKing them) I may at any time throw their shell to kill whomever is at the top of the players list. If killed I may restart the day phase up to three times. I can also use warp pipes to move to random future day phases or even games of mafia.
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