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The bleeding woman

RM says that the only woman Jesus helped was Mary Magdalene. But what about the Bleeding woman?

Jesus healing the bleeding woman (or "woman with an issue of blood" and other variants) is one of the miracles of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew 9:20–22Mark 5:25–34Luke 8:43–48).[1]
Infirm woman

And the infirm woman?

Jesus healing an infirm woman is one of the miracles of Jesus in the Gospels (Luke 13:10-17).[1]

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@RM

Making certain your agenda holds, with a feature of argument not present in your #1. Who bloody cares if service is rendered as a favor to whom? You didn't in #1. Raised now purely as agenda. Too bad I don't approach holy writ in that fashion, but, to each their own.
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@ Stephen

I'll take Jarius' words on the opinion of his daughter's death, as he says it outright. I'll accept that he checked. 

As for Lazarus, you suddenly dismiss the ability for Jesus to apply metaphor. Strip him of it completely. Fine; your prerogative. But consider that Jesus is preparing the sisters and others witnessing the event that Lazarus, though dead a few days [he's begun to stink, yeah?] by priesthood power, and by faith, he can be raised from the dead as though just asleep; a concept completely foreign to the people, and Stephen.

Reading the Bible is important, but understanding is vital. Read with that intent, my friend. Reading with contempt will just make you angry.
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This was not created solely to mock, Jesus genuinely showed many signs of being gay.
John 19:26-27 ESV
When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

it sounds to me like the gay couple were acting like they were married.

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You ignore the custom of the day of grown children taking in their aged parents for their continued care. Normally, Jesus would have performed that service for his beloved mother, but was, at the time, uniquely indisposed, so he was asking John to stand in for him to perform that traditional service, and advising his mother of same. By using familial reference, he was merely identifying the relationship, though artificial, was still important. See commandment #5
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Why did god make Joseph a cuckold?
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@RM

Seems to me, by a read, that his brothers did that. Why blame God, since God allows free agency, even to be evil.
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Isn't that a different Joseph, son of Jacob? I'm referring to the stepdad Joseph for Jesus.
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cuck·old
/ˈkəkəld,ˈkəkōld/
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noun
DATED

  1. a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision.
    "jokes in literature about elderly cuckolds and misers are rife"

verb

  1. (of a man) make (another man) a cuckold by having a sexual relationship with his wife.
    "in the novel Humberto cuckolds his employer"

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I just don't want lies to be said - saying Jesus is a gay man is a bit like saying Adolph was a gay man. It is not true and is designed in some ways to garner sympathy for Jesus - after all if he is gay, then perhaps he is ok.  He must be enlightened. He must be someone we champion. And to be honest - I dislike Hitler - and Jesus. ?????

 That will be honesty about Jesus being only a "myth"  will it?


It is not true and is designed in some ways to garner sympathy for Jesus
Homosexual or  not, Jesus isn't rue either is he?  According to you the is only a myth?  How do you know Jesus wasn't homosexual?  



He must be someone we champion.

"We"?  Who is the "we"? 
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The daughter of a synagogue leader, raised from the dead.

That would be the daughter of Jarius, I take it.

 No she was not raised from the "dead" in my opinion. She was never "dead" in the first place. 

Try reading the THE BIBLE!

behold,there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.  And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise. He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not deadbut sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose”.Matthew9: 18-25.KJV


So we see, if the “certain” ruler’s daughter is dead has her father believes she is, then Jesus lied exactly as he did to those disciples who were with him in the case of Lazarus where he first told them Lazarus was not dead but asleep. And if she (the daughter) was not dead, then there was no miracle performed but a ritualistic “raising” into the Jesus circle of followers  As usual  it seems, Christians AND YOU want it both ways.


Bible is important, but understanding is vital. Read with that intent, my friend.

You need to "UNDERSTAND"  what these people were talking about when they talk of  people falling or being  "dead". 


It's always the other person that lacks understanding isn't is according you you lot. And never yourselves.


You ignore the custom of the day of grown children taking in their aged parents for their continued care. Normally, Jesus would have performed that service for his beloved mother,

And you ignore  the fact the Jesus ignored and  disowned his own  mother , aren't you?


SEE>>>“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”Matthew 12:46-50

In fact he said that we are to hate our mothers and fathers, didn't he? 
SEE>>>> "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.Luke 14:26


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He was not gay or sexually active in any way. 
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Yes, I see what you are saying.  Normally, Jesus would have performed that service for his beloved mother, but was, at the time, uniquely indisposed, so he was asking his husband to stand in for him to perform that traditional service.
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He probably fought against his homosexuality but if he were active, he surely wouldn't tell what he did.
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@ RationalMadman,


probably fought against his homosexuality but if he were active, he surely wouldn't tell what he did.

So if Jesus is not admitting anything and his disciples and the biblical authors don't appear to be saying anything, where do you get the notion that Jesus was a homosexual?


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Because  Bishop Hugh Montefiore, an English Anglican bishop and academic, said that he thought he was.
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Absurd interptetation
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Because  Bishop Hugh Montefiore, an English Anglican bishop and academic, said that he thought he was.

I see. That will be Hugh William Montefiore the  English Anglican bishop and academic and author of more than 20 books, who served as Bishop of Kingston from 1970 to 1978 and Bishop of Birmingham from 1978 to 1987. 

Oh well then,   if it was a 4th  from the top ranking Bishop C of E that  has said Jesus was a homosexual , then who is to argue with any church leader? SURLEY he knows his subject better than any -  know nothing - make it up as you go -  pass it on - bible ignorant -   Pastor or Priest here, and he  must be an authority in all matters biblical. 

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@ Stephen

Re: your #101, once again, Stephen is cherry picking, not "understanding" that one must read with intent to understand more than a single verse, which is all I have been saying to you since you started criticizing me, nearly a year ago. We cannot cheery pick and expect to understand. Your citation of Luke 14, for example. You pull verse 24 out of the mix, ignoring that Jesus speaks not of himself, directly, but is telling a parable in which the lord of a manor speaks, wanting to have people attend his feast, but all have excuses why they cannot come, just as many people ignore Christ. It's another story we may know better as the littler red hen. Probably that fable was based on this very parable, for it tells of the same consequences. All the farm animals are unwilling to assist in preparation of making a loaf of bread, or a cake, whatever, but everyone wants to eat it when it is baked.  Oh, it is certain that the lord of the manor represents Christ in the parable, but only by context does one see that the real ignorant people are those who will not abide by the invitation to come to the lord's table. He's not even asking for assistance in preparation of the meal, in this case, but, they still refuse. People like you, Stephen, always finding excuses why this or that is too much to accept. Jesus is saying that even if that invitation is extended to one who is inclined to attend, but his parents, his brother, whomever, impose on him to stay away, better that the person shun his parents than not attend the supper of the Lord God. All you see is hate for hate's sake, and not what an alternative choice would be.
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What Jesus is saying is[ .................................. .......]   People like you, Stephen.....

So says you, yet not the bible.

You Christians are always telling us   what it is that  Jesus ' really `  means, aren't you? 

Why is it  that YOU believe that it is ONLY the followers of Christ that can interpret these unreliable , ambiguous half stories that go to make up these bible stories?  

I shall tell you why, it is because when these scriptures are accepted as they are at face value, they make no fkn sense whatsoever, but scratch the surface then they tell a completely different story to the one that  "PEOPLE LIKE YOU"   have been force feeding us for over 2,000 years.  And this is why you can never , EVER, support a single claim made by these biblical authors and "PEOPLE LIKE YOU".

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So explain where and how Jesus hid his sexuality? Oh that’s right you can’t. LOL. At least come up with original stories. 
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how? that is so very easy actually... Where? Well, that's how hiding works.
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Jesus was a semi-fictional character in an Arabian Tale.

Sexuality wasn't a part of the plot.

Though the mind can wander and come up with all sorts of lurid images.

I'm currently imagining a group of beardy Caucasian males, writhing about naked, smeared with olive oil.

That would be the Gay Porn version of the Last Supper.

Who holds the copyright?


Or they could be a group of erudite Arabians, breaking bread and chatting esoterically.

You choose.
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Thanks for the link. 
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Of course it doesn’t prove anything. Even if the centurion  boy was a particular kind of relationship.  That does not mean Jesus condoned it. He healed these people without discrimination. And the centurion was a God fearing man - not just roman god but Jewish God. Jesus was human and as such was a sexual being. How did he express this? Not outside of marriage. And for Jesus it could not even be fantasy. According to Jesus ‘ definition of sin - pornography would be sin and akin to adultery.  And since Jesus was perfect and without sin then it goes without saying he was neither gay nor having a relationship with an unmarried or married female.  And he was not married.  It is true that the culture then did not understand sexual orientation. I think that is good as I think that sexual orientation is a myth.  It was not a thing then. I also don’t think Jesus discriminated against gay people if they were publicly known at the time. Jesus came to deal with sin.  The link and the evidence is so thin it has no weight. Nevertheless thanks for the link. 
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You are a sad man  and your fantasies will only end up with grief.

Jesus is the king of the universe and does not deserve such ridicule. 
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LOL
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@stephen

What I'm saying, people like you, is that you do nothing but complain. So complain if that floats your boat. It ain't my boat. Sorry about yours.
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What I'm saying, people like you, is that you do nothing but complain.

And what is it precisely that you are saying that I complain about? It appears to me that it is YOU that is the one doing all the complaining about " people like me"#109  fauxlaw


I don't complain about the bible.

I don't want it thrown on a fire like your ` new` friend does.

Yet I notice not once have you pulled your ` new` best buddy dimwit for his vehement anti everything religion stance.  Why is that? 

I don't complain about anyone for being religious or christian or having a faith. I haven't said "Christianity should be cancelled"  and called it the "most dangerous religion in particular" , have I?

 I haven't said the Jesus story is a "myth". No, that was ALL your ` new ` found buddy complaining all over the forum wasn't it. It certainly wasn't me.


 It wasn't me that came here complaining that  Christians are "weird" either. No, that was your  `new` found buddy dimtim of  whom you haven't had a single bad word to say against! Not ONE!

Yet here you are, like the coward you are,complaining about me with false allegations of me complaining. FKN priceless!


 Your problem sunshine is that you, like all other Christians simply cannot defend these scriptures when put under the least of scrutiny.  And as clever and as educated as you  think you are, or allege to be, you simply are not equipped to do so.

 And that is your baby, so " Y'ALL"should rock it.