Debate?

I enjoyed it. A really good series! I actually speak and recognize a few words of Arabic (i.e., Inshallah and of course the most common greeting "Salam Alaikum")

Yes, I know.

Psalm 118:22 (NASB)

The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=stone+the+builders+rejected&qs_version=NASB

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 (NASB)
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil [a]remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

His reputation goes before him. He has gained support. Thus, harder to win against. 

The winner of a debate is the best debater, not the one who is right.

Why don't you tell me what rules you like to see?

I don't know, the Quran is a divine revelation & God absolutely exists. But I like your confidence. 

What should be the resolution?

I enjoyed it. A really good series! I actually speak and recognize a few words of Arabic (i.e., Inshallah and of course the most common greeting "Salam Alaikum")

- Oh yeah, 40% of Turkish vocabulary is Arabic. I moved to Turkey recently, wonderful people.

It means that everything predicted about the Jewish Messiah was fulfilled by Jesus. It means that the whole OT is a type and shadow of a greater truth, a spiritual truth. Jesus is revealed in most pages of the OT. Not only this, what was predicted of Israel is fulfilled too.

- We too believe Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah, & that he will descend at the end of time.

Yes, I know.

Psalm 118:22 (NASB)

The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=stone+the+builders+rejected&qs_version=NASB

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 (NASB)
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil [a]remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

- Do you abide by the OT?

His reputation goes before him. He has gained support. Thus, harder to win against. 

- He's a good debater too.

His reputation goes before him. He has gained support. Thus, harder to win against. 

So does the truth of the Koran depend on how many friends a debater has ?

His reputation goes before him. He has gained support. Thus, harder to win against. 

So does the truth of the Koran depend on how many friends a debater has ?

Ok, so you believe in God's word.

Do you believe in God's spirit?

Yes, I've heard that. It is somewhere I would like to see also. Are you located in Istanbul? So many of the Turkish shows I've watched have a panorama of the city. 

Since you are a Muslim you should already have the information with you to make such an argument.

I know I did say I will allow you to make the rules but there are 2 things I would like for the debate.

1) 1 week for me to make an argument/

2) 30k character limit. If that is too much just drop it down to as low as 10k. I don't think I have ever reached the 30k character limit but just to make sure if I do come close most of my argument can be submitted if not most then more than what the other character limits were able to do. 

So does the truth of the Koran depend on how many friends a debater has ?

What does God's spirit mean? In the Quran, 'word' & 'spirit'/'soul' from God refers to Jesus Son of Mary (pbut).

We Orthodox Christians have a prayer that we say to begin our other prayers that explains it well I think.

"O heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of truth, who art in all places and fillest all things; Treasury of good things and Giver of life: Come and dwell in us and cleanse us from every stain, and save our souls, O gracious Lord."

When Jesus Christ, took flesh from the ever virgin Mary and theotokos, He was conceived by The Holy Spirit. It is this same Holy Spirit that we say in our creed, or statement of belief...

"And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life,

Who proceedeth from the Father,

Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,

Who spake by the Prophets;"

So we say that the Holy Spirit is what spoke through the prophets.

Yes, I've heard that. It is somewhere I would like to see also. Are you located in Istanbul? So many of the Turkish shows I've watched have a panorama of the city. 

- I was in Istanbul, & I fly there frequently, but I'm located in Ankara now. I'm moving there soon though.

The biblical and historical evidence is strong to say He already has. Argued any other way shows many inconsistencies.

- What biblical & historical evidence?

No, I believe the OT was abolished in AD 70.

- What does that mean? Why do you believe that?

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

"Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD."

Is this to say: God, as defined in the Quran, exists? Or: God exists & the Quran confirms it?

30k is too much, no one has the time through a 60k character round! 20k tops. & how many rounds?

We are really off topic here, I think it would be better to make a new topic if you would.

The destruction of the temple and city in AD 70, for instance. The promised Messiah coming to an Old Covenant people that no longer exist in covenant relationship as specified in the (written) Torah after AD 70, for another. 

In the Islamic world, Christian dominions were specifically disallowed from carrying out apostasy penalties even within their domains, though with exceptions. That been said, things have indeed changed now, as secular law & morality took over.

The religion is still a source of morality & spirituality, & as a source of morality, it should dictate laws or at least guide them. Believing in the morality of the Church on one hand & practicing the morality of Secularism on the other, I find, profoundly incoherent & hypocritical.

Do you believe God gives authority to those who are evil?

Wut?!

If you're not gunna reach it, then you don't need it. 20k is too much. 4 rounds it is. Of course BOP shared. 

Secular is another way of saying worldly. 

You confuse The Roman Empire with The Church. We do not kill apostates.

Muslims do kill apostates though, and this goes back even to Mohammed and his successors.

The Turks imposed on the church to act in a judicial manner through the millet system, but the church is not intended to be a worldly power.

Because of how the Orthodox Church is organized, it is able to revert back to normal after government imposition ceases. There has never been a period in history where government didn't meddle with the church, but the church survives.

Of course. God granted authority to the Roman Empire. God granted authority to the Tzars of Russia, the bolsheviks. The Caliphate. Who can give authority but God? Even Satan has no power but that which was granted by God.

Your examples of "Christians" killing apostates is somewhat silly because none of the examples are Orthodox Christians, and even if they were, the Church's official position is that we do not kill apostates or execute any type of juridical authority whatsoever. In fact, the merging of church and state even has its own heretical name in Caesaropapism. 

I find it difficult to believe that in Islam it isn't the norm for apostasy from Islam to be punishable by death, since this has been the norm since the beginning.

If you believe I am ignorant about something, don't think that puffing yourself and acting condescending will impress me that you know better. 

I know it is hard for you to understand, because the state and church are so intertwined in Islam, but this is not how the Christian Church is. You mock us because governments can and have bullied the church around, but because of how our church is structured it always reverts back to normal. The Turks could not genocide our church out of existence, neither could they, despite their meddling in church affairs, corrupt our faith. The Soviet Union could not genocide our church out of existence, neither could they, despite their meddling in church affairs, corrupt our faith. We are not like The Roman Catholics, who can have their whole church corrupted by one bishop, as they have when they altered the creed of the church. We are not like the protestants, who lacking real holy orders and unity find themselves being corrupted into abominable heresies at the whim of their surrounding culture.

Our is The Church of Jesus Christ and the apostles, the very Church that Christ promised the gates of hell will not overcome. When you say that the church fell away or died and needed to be replaced by Islam, you are calling Jesus Christ a liar.

But Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law and all the prophets. At the end of Islam is Jesus Christ.

The Church does not make secular laws. Historically, emperors and such felt that they should enforce religion on the population. This is not denial of history, I am simply not making the identity fallacy that you are likely unintentionally making.