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#151

TheRealNihilist

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TheRealNihilist

04.07.2019 08:34PM

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@Outplayz

so, he may stop talking to you bc you're talking to me... i hope not, if so sorry lol.

Doubtful. He still thinks his holy book states his side even though he is making arguments which his holy book does not even mention.

And therein you'll see the deception... it doesn't matter.

I am using the source he is. If he has a problem I can simply bring that up over and over again until he admits to it.

I don't know if this is true.

How do you explain the majority of the world population being Religious?

most of the "follower" type religions fall into the average. Just like IQ, there are a lot of them... which seems to correlate with reality. And similar to IQ... they will just never understand what a 140 IQ person see's if their IQ is 90. So, that's how i see it... i think it goes a little further than just indoctrination.

I don't think it is low IQ instead they commit a special pleading fallacy. They use different standards with Religion compared to other things. Some people use that standard with everything so I would consider them the exception rather than the rule.

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Outplayz

04.07.2019 09:15PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Doubtful. He still thinks his holy book states his side even though he is making arguments which his holy book does not even mention.

Well, i hope to see a continued conversation. I think you are bringing up good points.

How do you explain the majority of the world population being Religious?

Just like the Bell curve example. It's like saying why is the majority of the population average IQ. However, with religion it's a little different, but sorta similar still. If you give people the chance, and they are willing... you can raise their level of awareness. I think most people just don't care. And a lot of them, if pressed and shown beliefs... they will change. My friend was Christian until he sat down and talked to me. All i had to do is tell him my paradise paradox and he got it. He's like... yeah, i find paradise to be an F-rate existence too. So, he heard me out and changed. So, i think a lot can change... but not the people on here mostly... they are stuck. Just like some people can never get 100 on an IQ test... they can never surpass their average level understanding. So, they'll defend it by making stuff up and trying to act like they have a 160 IQ... just like any person would do. So, of course you can move around on the curve with knowledge... but there are also some people that just can't. They'll never understand.

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TheRealNihilist

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04.07.2019 09:25PM

Well, i hope to see a continued conversation. I think you are bringing up good points.

Thank you. I think it would be him trying to either state that he is wrong or carry on laughing.

I think most people just don't care. And a lot of them, if pressed and shown beliefs... they will change

That has got to be a liar. Many people use it as a reason to live or do what they do in life. They rely on it since they don't think there are able to make their own moral foundation use it as a reason to keep on living through difficult times or selfishly use it in order to get into heaven.

My friend was Christian until he sat down and talked to me. All i had to do is tell him my paradise paradox and he got it.

You do agree this is an anecdote and is not a representation of how everyone will be like to this explanation?

I think you need to drop IQ. It has been used by Race Realists, White Nationalist and people who advocate for ethnostates as a reason to segregate people. I would like first a concrete foundation on intelligence research before I make claims about it. You should refrain from talking about IQ until the research is better.

#154

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04.08.2019 02:22AM

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@Yassine

Sup?

Same old. I see your ability to be honest about your faith is still nonexistent, just like your God.

#155

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04.13.2019 04:47PM

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@Yassine

Hello everyone,

- Anyone wishes to debate on the topic of Islam? Anything that relates to Islam, in religion, or scripture, or law, or theology, or spirituality, or tradition, or history...etc. If you do not wish to debate the subject, you are welcome to discuss it in this thread. All questions or objections are welcome.

I would just like to say that I enjoy watching Turkish TV series such as Resurrection Ertugrul https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80127001, What Happens To My Family (Baba Candir - turkish drama | turkish (very funny), and Kurt Sejik and Sura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Seyit_ve_%C5%9Eura.

Although we share much in common regarding religious values (and I appreciate this) I still believe your religion largely borrows from Christianity and misrepresents it in various ways. I think you would agree that one of us is wrong in our belief and I would argue that it is your belief. If I find the time I would like to delve into a few of your comments posted in this thread.

#156

WisdomofAges

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WisdomofAges

04.13.2019 05:39PM

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@Yassine

ABRAHAMIC... ????...........A Comic Book Series.... featuring the JEW GOD of MOSES.....invented 1400 years before the JESUS HOAX...then 600 years after the JESUS boy GOD hoax was murdered by ROME per the JEWS demands...some illiterate MUHAMMAD ARAB guy has his version of the "(Moses meets GOD moment") and VOILA ! ALLAH is the GOD of GODS !

THE TRUTH of Abrahamic RELIGIONS = All 3.....JEW - JESUS - ALLAH... are human invented fabricated Comic Book HOAXES...all 3 are STOLEN

and TWISTED versions of other GOD stories and Religions of the Middle East region going back 3000

years BEFORE the JEW God shows up ! let alone the JESUS and ALLAH GOD invented GARBAGE...

The TIMELINE of history over the last 10,000 years proves beyond any doubt how the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD hoaxes ARE nothing more than

twisted versions of other GODS in human history...GODS ? thousands of them have come and gone just like COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS...the

difference with the ABRAHAMIC GOD GARBAGE is how world class PSYCHOPATH MIND and LIFE MOLESTERS use them as SCAPEGOATS

to enslave the masses of deliberately DUMBED DOWN human ASSES....

THE RESULT....= Unprecedented DEATH and DESTRUCTION using the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD invented HOAXES to THIS DAY !

None of the CON ARTIST VAMPIRE SCUM Religious Circus Clowns in Halloween Glory Gowns is concerned with HUMAN and EARTH

WELL BEING..these are OLD MEN acting like a GOD...playing games with the minds and lives of others for POWER and CONTROL

these HUMAN Bible/Torah/Koran spewing PARASITE VAMPIRES are the greatest THREAT to HUMAN - ANIMAL - EARTH....they despise the

OPEN MINDED curious HUMAN and demand total OBEDIENCE to horrifically OBSOLETE and OPPRESSIVE DOGMA they invent and attach

to their FAKE GOD HOAXES....

Sadly due to the HYPNOSIS PSYCHOSIS these Parasite GOD preaching VAMPIRES induce using FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE as TOOLS

in the name of their totally ASININE God invented HOAXES...the weak and feeble minded humans fall for the ILLUSION that they will SUFFER for

all eternity when they DROP DEAD..unless the SERVE the PARASITES without question..including the MURDER and TORTURE of all who do not

accept and OBEY them.....

So...where the FCK IS THEIR GOD ? to save these pathetic creatures under the spell of the Parasite VAMPIRES they serve first ? NOWHERE

All 3 Abrahamic GOD HOAXES remain INVISIBLE and OUT OF TOUCH....what a SCAM....

SOLUTION ? YES....relegate these 3 STOOGE GOD hoaxes to MYTHOLOGY like they have done to all the other GODS humans invented...

...like ZEUS...ODIN....APOLLO...and thousands more who are no longer USED as GODS by the Parasite VAMPIRES for power and control

.......NO HUMAN EVER needs to be validated and approved to EXIST and DIE by some Parasite VAMPIRE preacher in a Halloween Glory Gown

who plays GOD but ...eats...sleeps...sits on a toilet...and DIES like all other humans...WHAT a DISGUSTING JOKE on HUMANITY these Clowns

of the Abrahamic GOD HOAXES truly are....

Save HUMANITY and EARTH by ridding the planet of these 3 Abrahamic DISEASE...GOD inventions...reduce them to the Comic Book GARBAGE

they truly are and FORGET....going forward....as humanity has done with all the other GODS and RELIGIONS before them.....

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#157

Alec

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05.11.2019 01:11AM

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@Yassine

You know more about Islam then I do. I got a few questions.

What are the odds of going to Jinnah/Heaven according to your religion?

How do you know Islam is correct, as opposed to the other religions that exist?

Do you think the following idea has any merit:?

-What if every God that ever existed (The Christian one, the Muslim one, etc.) colonized this planet like Europe colonized Africa, and where the Christian God influenced became Christian majority(Most of Europe, Most of the Americas, etc) , where the Muslim God influenced became Islamic (The Arab world) etc. and areas change faiths based on the purchasing ability of the religions. An example would be the Christian God buying the Roman empire from Pagans, which explains why the Roman empire went Christian so fast. Atheism is an independence movement and the Christian God and Bhudda decided to give their colonies independence since Christian territory and China are becoming more secular.

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#158

Yassine

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05.18.2019 06:27PM

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@Alec

You know more about Islam then I do. I got a few questions.

- Alright.

What are the odds of going to Jinnah/Heaven according to your religion?

- It's Jannah. According to the Hadith, 1 in 1000 of all -conscious- creatures (including humans & jinn) goes to Jannah/Heaven (those whose good deeds outweigh their bad deeds), while the other 999 goes either to Jahannam/Hell (those whose bad deeds outweigh their good deeds) or to Aaraf (those whose good & bad deeds are balanced), until they eventually leave for Jannah themselves. The idea is there is a sort of bridge (Sirat) over Hell everyone must cross, at the end of which there lies the gates of Heaven. Across this bridge there are traps that pull evil downwards & push good away. If one's good deeds outweigh one's bad deeds, they'll eventually be pushed away further & further until they escape the bridge free from any evil. If one's bad deeds outweigh one's good deeds, they'll eventually be pulled down into the Fire until all their evil is cleansed, then pushed away again out of Hell. If one's good deeds balance out their bad deeds, they should barely escape the bridge with nothing to show for, thus joined to the Aaraf until God decides to send them to Heaven. Only those of a pure soul can go into Heaven.

How do you know Islam is correct, as opposed to the other religions that exist?

- Preponderance of evidence. First, the authenticity of the Quran is easily verifiable, unlike any other religious book. Second, the claims of the Quran are equally verifiable & sound, unlike the absurdities of other religious (Trinity & such). Third, the life & teachings & miracles of the prophet of Islam, Muhammed (pbuh), are much more accessible & verifiable. We can talk more in depth about this if you wish.

Do you think the following idea has any merit:?

What if every God that ever existed (The Christian one, the Muslim one, etc.) colonized this planet like Europe colonized Africa, and where the Christian God influenced became Christian majority(Most of Europe, Most of the Americas, etc) , where the Muslim God influenced became Islamic (The Arab world) etc. and areas change faiths based on the purchasing ability of the religions. An example would be the Christian God buying the Roman empire from Pagans, which explains why the Roman empire went Christian so fast. Atheism is an independence movement and the Christian God and Bhudda decided to give their colonies independence since Christian territory and China are becoming more secular.

- I don't quite understand this to be honest. Are you saying God literally conquered Europe or Africa & such?

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Alec

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05.18.2019 07:02PM

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@Yassine

(including humans & jinn)

What's jinn in this context?

Is Jahannam/hell a temporary place or an eternal place for conscious creatures? You said something about it attracting evil, so that kindof resembles purgatory in the bible since I imagine it as purging the evil from one's soul.

Preponderance of evidence. First, the authenticity of the Quran is easily verifiable

How is it verifiable? GotQuestions.org, a Christian site claims that Christianity is correct while all other religions are false prophets. Islam claims that it is the only accurate religion. I imagine many religious faiths do the same thing.

Third, the life & teachings & miracles of the prophet of Islam, Muhammed (pbuh), are much more accessible & verifiable.

How is it much more accessible and verifiable?

Are you saying God literally conquered Europe or Africa & such?

I'm saying is it possible for all the Gods that have ever existed on the earth(God/Allah, Jupiter/Zeus, The hindu god, Bhudda, etc) to have sat down in some spaceship with a map of the earth and decided to partition the earth into various sectors. God/Allah got Israel, Jupiter/Zeus got the Roman empire, Bhudda got China, etc. Jupiter and Zeus needed money, so they sold the Roman empire to God. This is why the Roman empire became Christian so fast. As God/Allah got richer, he wanted to expand his influence on Earth. This caused him to buy out most of the tribal gods which gave him the power to bless Christian Europe with the power to colonize most of Africa and much of the world. God/Allah tried to buy out the Indian Pagans with the British empire, but they refused. Same with the Chinese. Does this make sense?

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05.18.2019 07:28PM

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@Yassine

You believe that all things were crested by and through God's word, right? That God spoke everything into existence?

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Yassine

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06.30.2019 12:56AM

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@Alec

What's jinn in this context?

- Jinn, paranormal creatures living in the interstice world, parallel to our own, who may on conditions interact with ours, such as the case of devils (a kind of Jinn) assigned to tempt humans into doing bad things.

Is Jahannam/hell a temporary place or an eternal place for conscious creatures?

- This is actually a matter of difference of opinion among Muslim theologians. Some contend it's eternal, just like Heaven. Some others suggest it's not eternal, only Heaven is. This stems from a distinction of terminology in the Quran when referring to duration: indefinite in case of Heaven, whereas finite in case of Hell.

You said something about it attracting evil, so that kind of resembles purgatory in the bible since I imagine it as purging the evil from one's soul.

- I'm not an expert on the Bible. But indeed, Hell purifies evil.

How is it verifiable? GotQuestions.org, a Christian site claims that Christianity is correct while all other religions are false prophets. Islam claims that it is the only accurate religion. I imagine many religious faiths do the same thing.

- Of course, every ideology -wether religious or otherwise- makes the same claim, 'we have it right'. That said, the wisdom is not in the claim, it's in the substance. The authenticity of the Bible can not be verifiable for the simple reason we do not have the original Bible nor do we have any other means to conclusively reconstruct it. The oldest parchment of the Bible -a piece of paper the size of a debit card- came 100 years after the death of Jesus. The "nearly" -some 60%- complete Biblical manuscript (Codex of Sinaiticus) dates back to over 3 centuries after Jesus...

- The Quran, however, is much more easily accessible. The Quran, as the name indicates, is two things: a text but also a recitation. Thus, verifying the authenticity of the Quran entails verifying the authenticity of both its -written- transcription & its -spoken- recitation. Recitations were memorized & transmitted orally generation by generation. The transcription was collected first from the scribes of the Prophet (pbuh) into a single Codex at the time of Abu Bakr (1st Caliph) about a year after the Prophet's death, & was canonized into the Uthmanic Codex at the time of Uthman (3rd Caliph) some 20 years after the Prophet's death, of which several copies were made & sent all over the Muslim world then. Therefore, to verify the authenticity of the Quran, scholars require three condition to be met:

1. The recitation must be transmitted by Tawatur throughout the chain of transmission from beginning to end.

2. The recitation must perfectly correspond to the Uthmanic Codex text.

3. The recitation must belong -linguistically & grammatically- to one or more of the 7 Arab tongues.

1 => Tawatur means transmission by a large number of narrators at every level & throughout the chain of transmission, which eliminates any chance of error, intentional or otherwise.

2 => Aside form the fact that the Uthamic Codex was studied & recorded by Muslim scholars throughout history, the oldest Quranic manuscript found today dates back to at least the third Caliph -20 years after the Prophet's death (& might've even been written during his lifetime). The oldest *complete* Quranic manuscript (Topkapi Codex) dates back less than 100 years after the Prophet's death (which might also be a Uthmanic Codex itself), which also correspond to the cumulative 30 or so other manuscripts dating back to less than 90 years after the Prophet covering some 96% the content of the Quran.

3 => Any one of the above conditions is sufficient to authenticate the Quran, but just to be absolutely sure, why not all three conditions. There are today 10 recitations which meet all three conditions, called the Ten Mutawatir Recitations.

How is it much more accessible and verifiable?

- It's funny, but we have NO report in the Bible from anyone who actually ever met Jesus. None. Zero. Nada... In contrast, we have records of over 12600 (1600 among whom women) companions who actually met the Prophet (pbuh), some 4000 of them transcribed from him & reported to their successors, generation by generation to what later amounted to nearly 200,000 narrations collected in the Hadith compilations (including sound, good, weak & forged narrations). The 9 Canonical Collections of Hadith alone account for over 56,000 narrations relating 11,800 unique incidents (2/3rd of which are deemed sound or good narrations).

- In this context, miraculous incidents are similarly reported in abundance. For instance, the 'grieving tree' miracle was reported by 13 distinct companions who actually witnessed the incident. It is extremely unlikely that 13 witnesses would conspire to falsify a fact, especially since lying about the Prophet = apostasy in Islam. The 'flowing water' miracle was reported by +72 companions.,, etc.

...God/Allah tried to buy out the Indian Pagans with the British empire, but they refused. Same with the Chinese. Does this make sense?

- This would decidedly be against all beliefs in Islam. Allah is Singular & Transcendent Creator, as in disjoint from creation. Thus, He does not have any co-gods & does not interact with the world. This is the paramount belief in Islam: Tawheed.

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Yassine

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Yassine

06.30.2019 12:57AM

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@Mopac

You believe that all things were crested by and through God's word, right? That God spoke everything into existence?

- God's Word, as in God's Will, yes. Why?

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#163

Yassine

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06.30.2019 01:05AM

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I would just like to say that I enjoy watching Turkish TV series such as Resurrection Ertugrul https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80127001, What Happens To My Family (Baba Candir - turkish drama | turkish (very funny), and Kurt Sejik and Sura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Seyit_ve_%C5%9Eura.

- Ertugrul is the BEST. Still haven't finished it, damn long show.

Although we share much in common regarding religious values (and I appreciate this) I still believe your religion largely borrows from Christianity and misrepresents it in various ways.

- Indeed, well appreciated. You could say Christianity borrow from Judaism too. But it isn't really like that, we Muslims believe equally in the truth of all revelations to God's messengers ["We make no distinction between any of His messengers." (2:285)], be it Abraham or Moses or Jesus (pbut) or all the other prophets. So we don't really see it as a borrowing, rather than the same continuous divine message & tradition, concluded by the Quran. As to beliefs today, Islam is much more closer to the Judaic tradition than the Christian tradition.

I think you would agree that one of us is wrong in our belief and I would argue that it is your belief.

- I would of course argue the opposite... We could have a debate about this if you wish.

If I find the time I would like to delve into a few of your comments posted in this thread.

- Any time. Thank you ;-)

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Yassine

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06.30.2019 01:18AM

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@TheRealNihilist

Doubtful. He still thinks his holy book states his side even though he is making arguments which his holy book does not even mention.

- I see you two cuties are feasting on your delusions... You seem to be quite sure about your case, why don't we have a formal debate to settle this?

I am using the source he is. If he has a problem I can simply bring that up over and over again until he admits to it.

- Yes, you can do that in a formal debate. See, you've already got a plan to win.

I don't think it is low IQ instead they commit a special pleading fallacy. They use different standards with Religion compared to other things. Some people use that standard with everything so I would consider them the exception rather than the rule.

- LMAO, beautiful! Dunning Kruger effect in full display. It's cute. How about that debate though? I see you like debating.

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06.30.2019 01:47AM

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@Yassine

I would just like to say that I enjoy watching Turkish TV series such as Resurrection Ertugrul https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80127001, What Happens To My Family (Baba Candir - turkish drama | turkish (very funny), and Kurt Sejik and Sura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Seyit_ve_%C5%9Eura.
- Ertugrul is the BEST. Still haven't finished it, damn long show.

I finished watching the whole thing. Now I'm waiting for Osman. I believe they start filming in June and the first episodes are available in November.

Although we share much in common regarding religious values (and I appreciate this) I still believe your religion largely borrows from Christianity and misrepresents it in various ways.
- Indeed, well appreciated. You could say Christianity borrow from Judaism too.

Christianity is the fulfillment of the OT prophecy.

But it isn't really like that, we Muslims believe equally in the truth of all revelations to God's messengers ["We make no distinction between any of His messengers." (2:285)], be it Abraham or Moses or Jesus (pbut) or all the other prophets. So we don't really see it as a borrowing, rather than the same continuous divine message & tradition, concluded by the Quran. As to beliefs today, Islam is much more closer to the Judaic tradition than the Christian tradition.

Unfortunately, they say contrary things. You do not accept some of the Christian teachings about Jesus. I have studied the Judaic teachings of the OT for a long time and, as I said before, Jesus is a fulfillment of them.

I think you would agree that one of us is wrong in our belief and I would argue that it is your belief.
- I would of course argue the opposite... We could have a debate about this if you wish.

Are you saying we are both right?

If I find the time I would like to delve into a few of your comments posted in this thread.
- Any time. Thank you ;-)

Okay, after I attempt a debate with Ragnar.

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#166

Yassine

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06.30.2019 02:50AM

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I finished watching the whole thing. Now I'm waiting for Osman. I believe they start filming in June and the first episodes are available in November.

- All my friends finished watching it & are excited about Osman. What a marathon.

Christianity is the fulfillment of the OT prophecy.

- What exactly does this mean?

Unfortunately, they say contrary things. You do not accept some of the Christian teachings about Jesus. I have studied the Judaic teachings of the OT for a long time and, as I said before, Jesus is a fulfillment of them.

- The thing is though, Judaic teachings according to the Jews do not support such a position. As you know, Jews reject Jesus (pbuh). We don't reject anyone. We reject the claim of divinity of course.

Are you saying we are both right?

- I'm saying I would argue the opposite, as in I would argue that it is your belief that is wrong.

Okay, after I attempt a debate with Ragnar.

- Good luck with that. The guy likes to be sure he could win before he attempts.

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06.30.2019 04:14AM

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@Yassine

I finished watching the whole thing. Now I'm waiting for Osman. I believe they start filming in June and the first episodes are available in November.
- All my friends finished watching it & are excited about Osman. What a marathon.

(^8

I enjoyed it. A really good series! I actually speak and recognize a few words of Arabic (i.e., Inshallah and of course the most common greeting "Salam Alaikum").

Christianity is the fulfillment of the OT prophecy.
- What exactly does this mean?

It means that everything predicted about the Jewish Messiah was fulfilled by Jesus. It means that the whole OT is a type and shadow of a greater truth, a spiritual truth. Jesus is revealed in most pages of the OT. Not only this, what was predicted of Israel is fulfilled too.

Unfortunately, they say contrary things. You do not accept some of the Christian teachings about Jesus. I have studied the Judaic teachings of the OT for a long time and, as I said before, Jesus is a fulfillment of them.
- The thing is though, Judaic teachings according to the Jews do not support such a position. As you know, Jews reject Jesus (pbuh). We don't reject anyone. We reject the claim of divinity of course.

Yes, I know.

Psalm 118:22 (NASB)

The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=stone+the+builders+rejected&qs_version=NASB

2 Corinthians 3:14-16 (NASB)
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil [a]remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Are you saying we are both right?
- I'm saying I would argue the opposite, as in I would argue that it is your belief that is wrong.

Okay, understood.

Okay, after I attempt a debate with Ragnar.
- Good luck with that. The guy likes to be sure he could win before he attempts.

His reputation goes before him. He has gained support. Thus, harder to win against.

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TheRealNihilist

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06.30.2019 10:58AM

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@Yassine

I see you two cuties are feasting on your delusions... You seem to be quite sure about your case, why don't we have a formal debate to settle this?

Insult and asking for a debate. Create the debate. If I like the rules then I will accept.

Yes, you can do that in a formal debate. See, you've already got a plan to win.

It has been a long time when we last spoke but I think I still have the better position. Quran is morally bankrupt. Quran is filled with false information which contradicts science. God doesn't exist so there is a heck of burden for you to fulfill.

LMAO, beautiful! Dunning Kruger effect in full display. It's cute. How about that debate though? I see you like debating.

Do you really think you can win this debate? Okay then make it and I'll accept if I want to.

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06.30.2019 11:37AM

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@TheRealNihilist

The winner of a debate is the best debater, not the one who is right.

#170

TheRealNihilist

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06.30.2019 11:57AM

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@keithprosser

The winner of a debate is the best debater, not the one who is right.

What do you mean?

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06.30.2019 12:22PM

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@TheRealNihilist

The winner of a debate is the best debater, not the one who is right.

The rules of debating require voters to consider how well the argument is expressed, the quality of the sources referred to, spelling ang grammar and general conduct. Bring right is irrelevant.

Formal debating is a competitive sport intended for aspiring lawyers and politicians to practice the dark arts of advocacy. It isn't for discovering truths - a good debater should be able to win arguing either side.

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TheRealNihilist

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06.30.2019 12:24PM

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@keithprosser

The rules of debating require voters to consider how well the argument is expressed, the quality of the sources referred to, spelling ang grammar and general conduct. Bring right is irrelevant.

Formal debating is a competitive sport intended for aspiring lawyers and politicians to practice the dark arts of advocacy. It isn't for discovering truths - a good debater should be able to win arguing either side.

Can someone be right?

Yassine has yet to have a debate on this site but I am sure he had debates on DDO. I think had Islam debates but I guess the people forfeited or didn't face good competition.

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06.30.2019 12:54PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Like stamp collecting and historical re-enactment, some people like formal debating. It leaves me cold.

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TheRealNihilist

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06.30.2019 12:59PM

Like stamp collecting and historical re-enactment, some people like formal debating. It leaves me cold.

Okay? Don't know why you were talking about yourself.

Can someone be right?

#175

TheRealNihilist

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TheRealNihilist

06.30.2019 12:59PM

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@keithprosser

rwfw

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keithprosser

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keithprosser

06.30.2019 01:55PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Can someone be right?

Yes, but formal debating isn't about discovering who is right. In a formal debate voters should vote against a debater who is right but argues badly.

That is no more the way to truth than an arm-wrestle.

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TheRealNihilist

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06.30.2019 01:58PM

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@keithprosser

In a formal debate voters should vote against a debater who is right but argues badly.

What?
Voters vote for who they thought won.

#178

keithprosser

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keithprosser

06.30.2019 02:03PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Voters vote for who they thought won.

Possibly you haven't read the 'voting policy' section of the DArt CoC.

https://www.debateart.com/rules

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disgusted

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06.30.2019 02:10PM

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@Yassine

Yes read your fantasy book.

Topic's author

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Yassine

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06.30.2019 04:45PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Insult and asking for a debate. Create the debate. If I like the rules then I will accept.

- Remarks*. Why don't you tell me what rules you like to see?

It has been a long time when we last spoke but I think I still have the better position. Quran is morally bankrupt. Quran is filled with false information which contradicts science. God doesn't exist so there is a heck of burden for you to fulfill.

- I don't know, the Quran is a divine revelation & God absolutely exists. But I like your confidence.

Do you really think you can win this debate? Okay then make it and I'll accept if I want to.

- What should be the resolution?