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@Casey_Risk
Why did you motion detect wylted? and why cop pie? You've probably said before, but please indulge me
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wait whiteflame was also roleblocked? but on a different night phase. So if there is a roleblocker its an everynight one
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@WyIted
what did you mean about the two different roleblockers?
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@Lunatic
Well you have Austin who was technically a role blocker not a jailkeeper
I feel like im missing something glaring here, and its gonna bite me in the ass if I dont figure it out.
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@WyIted
Well you have Austin who was technically a role blocker not a jailkeeper
Right. But we know whiteflame was blocked too after austin died.
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@Lunatic
I think you got it. 2 supposed role blocks one on whiteflame and apparently one on Casey while simultaneously me needing to be a ninja. So I would have to be 2x roleblock and 1x ninja and coincidentally used it when she motion censored me
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@Lunatic
Why did you motion detect wylted? and why cop pie? You've probably said before, but please indulge me
Pie was simply because he was a nullread for me and a player that I have a hard time reading in general. I used my MD on Wylted because using it on Vader would have been pointless, I had figured that you were a Bookie by that point (I figured you had to be either that or Informed based on your softclaim, and you basically told me you weren't Informed) so using it on you wouldn't have actually given me any information, using it on WF made no sense, and using it on Savant would have been equally pointless. Wylted, however, was a natural choice since he was scumread by multiple players, though I had a townread on him. If I got a Motion Detected result, then he was probably scum. On the other hand, if I got no motion detected, as I did, then it would help to put him in the clear. So it just kind of seemed like the natural night action choice for me.
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@WyIted
I think you got it. 2 supposed role blocks one on whiteflame and apparently one on Casey while simultaneously me needing to be a ninja. So I would have to be 2x roleblock and 1x ninja and coincidentally used it when she motion censored me
Oh right because she motion detected you np2 the same night whiteflame was roleblocked, so somehow one scum would have had to have used two night actions, or she was lying.... god damn nice work there
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@Lunatic
Right. But we know whiteflame was blocked too after austin died.
What makes you think WF was roleblocked? He was a 2x Commuter. Evidently, he just used his ability on the first two nights.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie was simply because he was a nullread for me and a player that I have a hard time reading in general. I used my MD on Wylted because using it on Vader would have been pointless, I had figured that you were a Bookie by that point (I figured you had to be either that or Informed based on your softclaim, and you basically told me you weren't Informed) so using it on you wouldn't have actually given me any information, using it on WF made no sense, and using it on Savant would have been equally pointless. Wylted, however, was a natural choice since he was scumread by multiple players, though I had a townread on him. If I got a Motion Detected result, then he was probably scum. On the other hand, if I got no motion detected, as I did, then it would help to put him in the clear. So it just kind of seemed like the natural night action choice for me.
So how do you think wylted would have used a ninja the same night whiteflame was roleblocked? How is this possible?
Actually, Mharman did write that in a confusing way. He says 2x Commuter, but then says "every night". I think the second phrase is much more likely to be the typo tho.
Vote Count
Casey (1/2) - Wylted
Wylted (1/2) - Casey
I agree, but there's literally no value to town for me to claim what I did with my role. I either used it or I didn't, I either have shots of my Commuter or I don't. If you think there's value for town to know those things, I'd like to know what that would be.
Damn it whiteflame, hindsight is twenty twenty, but really wishing we had this information right about now.
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@Lunatic
So how do you think wylted would have used a ninja the same night whiteflame was roleblocked? How is this possible?
I don't think Whiteflame was roleblocked, as I just explained. You can't roleblock a Commuter anyway, except with something like a Car Thief, which scum definitely didn't have access to on any night.
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@Casey_Risk
I don't think Whiteflame was roleblocked, as I just explained. You can't roleblock a Commuter anyway, except with something like a Car Thief, which scum definitely didn't have access to on any night.
Yeah and thinking about it, he would have pointed this out way earlier, if he was roleblocked the night wylted was found clean on the md, which would have put wylted in his town pile.
Maybe it was a stupid reason to vote Casey here I just thought Austin having a roleblock and lunatic having a roleblock role was silly. Among other things
Not so silly it couldn't happen but it was one of the feathers on the scale
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@WyIted
Maybe it was a stupid reason to vote Casey here I just thought Austin having a roleblock and lunatic having a roleblock role was silly. Among other things
So either way two roleblocks being presented, but the OP of the game kind of also strongly hints that the mafia have role prevention abilities, otherwise why would town need immunity from them by being last on the lynch
With that point in mind I have to remind myself that wylted as a vanilla, it REALLY doesn't look good that he was the hammer twice in a row instead of allowing someone like casey to do it since she had the only role that was visit based.
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@Lunatic
Yeah true, but either way if I am x shot roleblock and x shot ninja why do I get so lucky to prevent the sensor or detector from catching me and also prevent the redirection from Whiteflame to you?
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@Mharman
How much later will you be up?
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@WyIted
Yeah true, but either way if I am x shot roleblock and x shot ninja why do I get so lucky to prevent the sensor or detector from catching me and also prevent the redirection from Whiteflame to you?
assuming you had an x shot of each, you were really only lucky to use the ninja the same night she motion detected you, otherwise, casey is still the only one with a claimed ability, naturally if you still had a roleblock it would make sense to roleblock her last night.
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@WyIted
Until now. Gn. If I wake up to the DP being over it’s fine.
Why? Do you have any quick questions?
I guess I’ll give you five minutes
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@Mharman
No I was just hoping to see the end game but it's cool
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@Lunatic
Well we won't get the endgame tonight which sucks but you know I am town. I know you know it. I also know that you know that if I have 2 people seeming to lead town on me at LYLO I will be the hammer not the first vote.
Anyways, here's the point I was going to bring up about wylted earlier that he me like a brick in the face. I kind of backed off it because I didn't see much of it in his last game, but it was because he was silenced most of the game. But I distinctly remember wylted saying he likes to scum hunt by POE and work backwards as town, and I remember him doing this and following this logic alot. He likes to form a solid town block based on behavior, and try to go through and lynch remaining players not in his town bloc. I haven't noticed this at all from him in this game, in fact he seems to be playing the opposite. He never really had a town bloc the whole game and instead kept just about everyone in his scum pool and lynched pretty wildly. This is out of character I feel for town wylted.
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@WyIted
Yeah true, but either way if I am x shot roleblock and x shot ninja why do I get so lucky to prevent the sensor or detector from catching me and also prevent the redirection from Whiteflame to you?
I don't think that's inexplicable. It's not uncommon for there to be two motion-based investigative abilities in a single game, especially with one being weaker than the other. In Years Mafia, Luna even fakeclaimed being a Watcher after a Motion Detector had already flipped and Moozer claimed Justice/Parity Cop/whatever you want to call it (apparently on MU it's actually called "Mentalist", go figure). He wouldn't have done that if he thought it would be unbelievable. I'll admit I found it a bit odd, but without Moozer's role I wouldn't have. As for you using the Ninja at that point, it wouldn't have hurt to be safe while killing Savant. After that, it would just make sense to RB me since I could have had anything remaining in my JOAT list and was the only player left who even could have used a night action (again, aside from potentially WF), so why not RB me?
If the DP ends while I’m asleep I can post it pretty early in the morning.
Gn.
Honestly, I myself am probably not going to stay up too much later. I'll probably stay up for another half hour but I need to head to bed after that. If the game hasn't ended by that point, I suspect I'll probably wake up to find that Luna cast the final vote in my sleep, but that's fine tbh. It's been a good game. I'm going to have to reevaluate how I read Wylted in the future tho.