Gunplay Mafia DP4

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It wouldn't redirect the NK though obviously I guess.
I asked Mharman and he said it would have. I got roleblocked, which I guess makes sense since I was the only person other than WF to still potentially have a night action left.
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I have never killed pie NP1 especially if I was in control of the scum team and especially when a soft claimed investigative role is on the board.

Have you?

I can't always control the scum team strategy but if I was in the scum chat with GP, yes it would have been on me.

I know I keep flipping back and forth

Another thing that makes this really difficult is that both of you were basically early to soft claim your roles and characters.
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if you are town don’t vote me. We will lose. Waiting in my laptop to restart 

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Just looking through scum games with lunatic he does kill pie NP1 frequently. He also didn't seem to be on any incorrect lynches last game
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I am not voting you now I am leaning towards Casey but hopefully one of you presents some shit I can believe in.

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I think the aggression early is out of the norm for Casey but she also backed away from the lynch to vote for me for activity because she stated the lynch was moving too fast.

After DP1 she does seem to just kinda go with the flow.
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It's a minute by minute thing. I wanted to set a trap and quicky unvote but nobody would forgive me if that backfired LOL
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I reread all the DPs just focusing on lunatic and Casey's messages and the only difference is how much effort each is giving. Lunatic is giving a lot of effort but he would do that as scum anyway.
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Update is taking forever in the meantime I will write this: for you to think I am scum you would have to buy a lot of wifom and a lot of that would be me actively playing against my wincon. There was 0 reason for me not to support the Austin lynch as scum, and if your argument is that it bought me town cred, no it clearly didn’t, I’ve been in the POE the entire game. I didn’t participate in the supa lynch either when there was virtually no reason for me to and basically supa gave up arguing his case against me, because I was viewing his frustration as genuine town. It’s also why I wasn’t pushing you as hard dp3 despite having read you as scum much harder the previous day phase. I had plenty of reason to continue pushing you and I would have easily gotten away with being on either lynch and I could easily have justified it. You’d have to buy that I was actively playing against my wincon for no reason when any lynch I could have participated in would be within the realm of my POE and justifiable. Idk about your argument about my role not fitting in, I didn’t quite understand that one 

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How did you and whiteflame decide the Pie NK last game? Do you recall the thought process and reasoning for that?
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I can tell you the other thing in your favor is prior to the end of last DP you wanted to consider Casey as a possibility when I seemed an easy mislynch so I don't see why you would mess with that hornets nest if you didn't have to.

Why do you think Casey is scum though?
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I think the aggression early is out of the norm for Casey but she also backed away from the lynch to vote for me for activity because she stated the lynch was moving too fast. 

After DP1 she does seem to just kinda go with the flow.

I do think if Casey is scum here she’s been playing differently this go around. Casey basically gave up when supa died just two games ago, and here he’s playing the long con with an early bus if she’s scum. And she’s not posting nearly as much as I would expect her too. She was excited to have been scum in my game even though it didn’t work out for her, and she was much more active. She kind of has been dead activity wise since dp1. This doesn’t mean she can’t be scum but if she is she is trying new strategies and playing differently.
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She has improved her game if she is scum. That was a phenomenal risk but I also think the NKs have been safe choices and she should have died NP1. She also claimed being. Blocked so that's 2 role blockers and the sensor which also basically would make the watcher pointless.

Anyway either way ai am causing Casey to lose here so I apologize in advance

vtl casey
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How did you and whiteflame decide the Pie NK last game? Do you recall the thought process and reasoning for that?
We eliminated pie purely for his role. When I play as scum I always target based on role. We thought he made it obvious he want actually a PGO because he fought earth so hard for pushing his phrasing which seemed to hint that he had a very powerful role and was hoping mafia wouldn’t call his bluff, so we decided not to risk that and killed him. We were inanely lucky because he actually was a PGO he just happened to be an even night PGO lmao
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So if you are scum end the game and try not to be nice in the endgame to me. Also if you are scum fuck you for playing me 2 games in a row
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Not hammering to prove I’m not scum. I wanna hear Casey out
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That is 100% proof you are town. I am really fucking shocked and happy now. If we lose this is on you nigha
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MY heart was racing there.

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That is 100% proof you are town. I am really fucking shocked and happy now. If we lose this is on you nigha
NGl I totally thought you were gonna vote me this dp, and it was gonna be a 1 v 1 between me and you and then casey would sneak the ez victory. I will grant you that I am leaning toward casey being scum though but I really don't wanna fvck this one up. 
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That vote was really tough for me. I understand your position. She has also been buddying me all game which is super hard to resist due to my undiagnosed narcissism.
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That vote was really tough for me. I understand your position. She has also been buddying me all game which is super hard to resist due to my undiagnosed narcissism.
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That vote was really tough for me. I understand your position. She has also been buddying me all game which is super hard to resist due to my undiagnosed narcissism.
I have to assume that if you ARE scum here, you are taking advantage of my known suspicion of casey that I started on since DP3. Which is smart of you, but also a huge risk. I almost feel like it would have been easier for you to try and convince casey I was scum, she has been putting me in her POE for a while now. 
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You have been in everyone's POE while Casey has been town read all game. Trust me I am aware of why the 2 scummiest town players survived while the most town read player all game was also not NKed at any point
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Well, I guess that makes my choice here easy.

VTL Wylted

Well, it's up to you now, Luna. I do, however, want to respond to the point about my early aggression. It is abnormal for me, true, but it's not unprecedented. Remember Heroic Heroes DP1? In that game, I was town and thought I had correctly identified a scumtell on Earth, and I went hard against him, based on much weaker grounds than the basis on which I went against GP in this game. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever pushed anyone aggressively as scum before. So, there is precedent for me acting that way as town, but not as scum. Take that as you will.
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You know what pie deserves some credit here. He had her as scum DP1. And if he kept that read all game this whole game was probably frustrating to read
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 I deflected from WF to Luna, thinking that if Luna was scum, then GG. Otherwise, I'd know exactly who to vote for, and Whiteflame would probably vote for Wylted as well. Whatever roleblocking abilities scum were given must have still been active, however, since it obviously didn't work.
Wait shouldn't this mean I should have died not whiteflame?
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I asked her that and she claimed to be role blocked which helped me mechanically come up with my decision as well
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She also claimed being. Blocked so that's 2 role blockers and the sensor which also basically would make the watcher pointless.
Also, I want to point out that this is simply not true. A Motion Detector is not redundant in a game with a Watcher, since it doesn't make sense to use an MD on a player that you think will be NK'ed, whereas that's typically how you use a Watcher. Also, the town factional perk provides a way to defend against being roleblocked while also implying that the scum team has roleblocking capabilities, so I don't think this analysis checks out at all.
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Wait shouldn't this mean I should have died not whiteflame?
If I hadn't been RB'ed, yeah. That's what I was saying.
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On the other hand, I don't think I've ever pushed anyone aggressively as scum before. So, there is precedent for me acting that way as town, but not as scum. Take that as you will.
No I agreed with that, if you are scum you are playing differently than you have before. I even acknowledged that to wylted.