Gunplay Mafia DP4

Ok not like 6am early but even 10am is gonna be kinda early based on how long I’ve stayed up already. 

Gn.

So when I am able to form a town block and hunt by POE, I feel like I am player better than when I hunt by my top scum reads.

That is I think what I was saying and have mentioned it multiple times. When I hunt by POE, I think I perform better than when I don't.

If I struggle to develop town reads than I usually do not perform well and ai think you can see that my performance this game sucked

I wont stall out this day phase any longer. I'll make my decision soon. Just so we can be official about this, can the two of you write up a final "conclusion" post where you list all the points where you think  should town read you, and I will take it into account when making my decision. It doesn't need to be an essay or anything, I get it is late. I just want to be thorough as best I can here, and even if I make the wrong decision here, can at least say I did it in good faith ya know

If it cause me to lose than sorry. I am already getting yelled at by my wife for looking at my phone too much when we are watching a show together.

I assume Casey will make a high effort post. That doesn't make her more likely to be town.

I also think you already know what you are going to do. Your reads have been good this game and ai have no doubt you will make the right decision as long as you don't talk yourself out of the right decision by overthinking shit

No worries I can wait til you are available.

thankyou

NP. And with that, I am logging off for tonight. Here's hoping you make the right decision.

Before I make a case for myself here is some good reason why her motion detector results are not that important.

That argument is something I am keeping in mind btw.

I am at my laptop now

Look you have a tough decision to make. I don't envy you because I was in the same situation one or two pages back. I can say that no matter what your decision is, that this is a team game. we either won because of our collective successes or failed due to our collective mistakes. Nobody played a perfect game. Well almost nobody. Casey played damn near perfect and if she lost it was really due to allowing people as good as me and you to survive. She probably is not aware of just how willing me and you are to reset our reads, and how much more serious we take LYLO than any other part of the game.

Reread page one. Casey and you at least from my POV were signalling that you were willing to make it 1v1. I wouldn't have placed the first vote as scum and locked my options and you are right that you would be easier to lynch than Casey given how everyones reads were last DP. 

Now that I am writing this out, I can't really think of much TBH. I think the NP1 kill was a mistake and perhaps an unavoidable one. Casey was the obvious NK DP1 due to the soft claiming of an investigative role. I think or I hope that scum me wouldn't have picked Pie I have never picked pie NP1 historically because If I am scum and he is town, I usually see the game as me vs him. 

The rest of the time, sure I fucked up. I made bad reads or whatever but I showed a real inerest in catching scum and after DP1 casey made an effort to just not stand out or draw attention to herself.

She just came off of a game where you and whiteflame took huge risks as scum and it paid off. SHe went into DP1 and took some huge risks. I applaud her for it and even though I think you will make the right decision here, even if you don't she really kicked ass and deserves the win

As for why she et me survive. Check out her endgame post for the game she hosted. SHe made it clear in that OP that she sees me as stubborn and unwilling to change my mind. from her point of view, it was a lock for me to come into this DP and vote Lunatic, but also give thoughts to why the most town read player of the game made it this far. I am not dragging her here if I can avoid it and making it 1 v 1. I try to drag stupid people to the endgame with the excesption of pie who I want to see frustrated

Her view of my skills at MYLO

funny enough i felt he was towny and went against my instincts and lunatic explained how he made me go against my instincts in the endgame

Thankyou

BTW if Lunatic is scum and just dragging this out, which I doubt he would do I will laugh my ass off

dude she is not even trying to find scum this dp by eliciting tells or anything. At most she is just like 

look at how me and you both are asking each other questions to try and figure things out

just reread this dp. not even earlier ones and see who genuinely is behaving like you and trying to scum hunt?

for any spectators one of the things that made me town read lunatic was his misunderstanding of his own role and him saying his justification makes no sense. I feel like scum would have tried to invent a justification that made sense instead of saying that

Correct me if I am wrong also. GP tagged practically everyone with a smart ass comment DP1, except for Casey. Perhaps there was fear of spotting an association.

He tagged me and called me scum almost immediately and I would have to think scum GP is not enough of a dick head to tag his scum partner and call him scum. .

Okay I am gonna vote. And after a lot of deliberation, I think I am going to vote for casey. Wylted, if you are scum you played me like a fiddle and it worked. But there were other factors outside of just raw manipulation that led to my decision..

From the beginning of the game I have to weigh which decisions scum might make, and ultimately casey being alive at LYLO doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Wylted was right that there would be a degree of luck required for everything to have worked out the way casey's case means it would have had to have. For instance, convienently clearing wylted with the Motion Detector. To have got results would have forced casey into a 1 v 1 situation, which would have placed unneccesary attention on her. If I was in her shoes, I would have done the same as scum as with a watcher people might think a ninja is extremely likely and ignore the results. Wylted was still in everyone's POE at this point, and she had to have known this wouldn't clear him. If she thought it did, he wouldn't have made it to LYLO. 

Secondly the pie kill day phase 1 kind of implicates her. See, pie was the ONLY person who was scum reading casey. She also knew that that pie would have had a guaranteed action go through based on him hammering the lynch. That combined with the fact that I know casey has a tremendous respect for pies abilities as a player (I've heard her talk about this  multiple times as scum, and when she was scum in one of my games I remember her wanting to prioritize killing pie as well). True wylted could have been behind the pie kill as well for similar reasons, but wylted as scum I think would have tried to spin pie as being scum based on him pressuring casey who was right about GP. I don't think casey wanted to risk that, and I think she may have also suspected pie was an investigative role. Lastly, looking at casey's POE piles the last few day phases kind of makes me sus of her. I feel like I should have been a pretty solid town read from her as I was the first person to take up the mantle with her on pushing GP. She seemed to have not even considered that until after I'd brought it up, as if she thought the GP was such a surefire event the entire time. Then each night kill slowly made it so that I had to be in the POE in every decision. As far as mislynches go, she was on every single same one wylted was, so even though I faulted him for those, I cannot say she is not 100% equally at fault for each one. She went from saying this in DP3 "Luna's role is a bit odd to me specifically because it's a 1x role, and that makes it unconfirmable if he guesses wrong, which he apparently did. I did have him in my PoE for a while, but on reexamination, I just can't see him as scum anymore. The way he was quick to join the GP wagon and his strong defense of Austin during the last DP come off as very towny to me, so much so that I just can't justify lynching him today. If he's scum, then damn, Luna. Very well-played. "

To this at the beginning of dp4: "To be honest, I don't think I can glean that much from DP1 anymore. All of us were early supporters of the GP lynch, so there's really nothing to learn from there. I had a strong feeling before that GP's partner probably bussed him, but now it's a certainty."

Nothing had changed between end of day phase 3 and 4 other than whiteflame dying which she had said was "obvious" except for now the stakes are higher and she has to get a mislynch her, so suddenly I go from being basically town locked, to "everyone's an option".

Lastly casey has no business being alive in LYLO, she was widely town read all game and had a role that was way to risky for mafia to leave alive. I don't see wylted leaving her alive like this. 

I can't get this point out of my head and if I am wrong about it, I am sorry but you have to admit I have a point here. ALL OF MHARMANS RECENT GAMES HAVE A VANILLA. Some of them multiple, usually multiple actually. Literally all of his games in the past year, even his last one which was supposed to be crazy. He never mentioned anything anywere about this game being rolemadness. Casey I think realized this too and mentioned it in her opening posts this day phase, I think she also realizes how bad this looks for her, which is why she juxta positioned the argument that this had to have been a rolemad game. However if you really think about it, I don't think this game is really all that unbalanced if you consider wylted is actually a vanilla. My 1x bookie was so extremely unlikely to ever have use, I was basically a vanilla as well. Whiteflames role fit perfectly with GP's counter to it. Supas role fit perfectly with the watcher. An extra cop and motion detector on TOP of that seems a bit over powered in favor of the town, and it's extremely convenient she never got a useful result. If she is town, than that is just incredibly bad luck. Roleblocker and gravedigger were mis-lynchable roles which makes sense balance wise. Technically my role fits that way  too based on its mechanics. Idk a town JOAT just feels like an outlier. Not to mention JOATS just usually feel like they are scum aligned.

Both players had behavior issues to me. Wylted was just simply wrong multiple times, but rather than defend his decisions seems to genuinely understand his mistakes instead of double down about them or be defensive about them which is something I would expect scum to do. Wylted if scum, is playing rather well on my empathy, but I can't really blame him simply for being wrong, because I as town have been wrong on many occasions as well. So it really just looks good for him  that he acknowledges that he has played this one differently than he has in other town games, and admits that it his fault. But realistically I also can't blame him for being on the wrong mislynches, since casey was on every single wrong mislynch as well. And wylted was SOOO confident about the austin lynch, he had to have known that level of confidence would have made him look extremely bad going forward, and it kind of did. Everyone had him as a scum read in dp3 as well as supa. Supa kind of giving up was really the only reason wylted lived. Wylted's behavior ultimately is NAI if it is all WIFOM, but I think he could have just as easily tried to convince casey to lynch me this day phase, and he had indicated that being his intention in the previous day phase. Casey came into this day phase seemingly willing to lynch whoever was most convenient, as there was really no way for her to buy whether a ninja existed outside of just guessing, which kind of left her in the ideal position to be the hammer as soon as wylted voted me, which I think she thought would happen. Ultimately though, casey's lack of "interest" in the game seems more like she is trying to stay in the background and let town tear each other apart, and hoping to ride the wave of the bus from day phase on greyparrot. Her reads and contributions to the game have been extremely un-enthusiastic, to result in the wrong decision every time. Wylted was also on the wrong decisions, but he seemed to have a passionate interest and assurance in almost everyone, where casey's interest seems feigned, as if she knew the outcomes all along. I get the genuine impression of townie surprise at the results of every lynch from wylted.

Wylted if you are scum you played me like a fiddle, and you are a better scum player than I give you credit for. Not that I didn't think you are capable of it, but you took the game to a much deeper personal level and kind of played on my empathy by admitting to faults, by pointing out genuine regret at being wrong on decisions to a level where you seem more human and attached compared to casey's almost robotic calmness throughout the game. As if she's saying "keep calm, and stay patient, you should win this". I just don't see the same townie like passion that I feel from wylted, who seems to just genuinely not know whats gonna happen.

If I am wrong, I am sorry. Whoever the scum is played VERY well. If I am wrong about wylted, well I blame you all anyway for not helping me lynch him when we had the chance on dp2 :P

JK. but for real though..

Alright now don't make me wait for mharman or troll me. Were you town or mafia?

Fuck yeah. I was town. I had a feeling you would get this right and poor Casey kicked ass and still lost

You better not be trolling me or I won't forgive you

Usually I would but no not now not with the end game post so far away and with Casey mIA . We did it. We won a game we should have lost

If you are up lock this thread so everyone has to wait until tomorrow to discuss the game

Alright then yay! if you are messing with me your a d1ck. Lol well played. 

There was a legit point in this phase where I was confident it was wylted. Glad I stopped to mull that one over a bit longer.

I went back and forth. I thought it was you as well.

Casey probably feels like she did enough to earn that so I feel bad for her but shit happens