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As long as important intellects are developing stuff, then the other 8 billion or so can jabber on and fight to their hearts content.

Though it's far to suggest that evolution requires both.

I think"Intellectuals" shouldn't be shadow kings and emperors. A muslim "intellect" doesn't have the right to lord over everyone's lifestyle just because he has read a thousand hadith narrations of Muhammad. 
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As a Cristian, I do support Israel in it's actions as a whole.  They are on the good side and I want to be on the good side too.  Simple as that.  They are God's chosen and do serve the same God as I serve.  

I know this is seen as narrow minded and bigoted, but there is evil in this world and to choose to sneak attack Israel is not a good thing to do.

To put the responsibility on the Israeli nation for their counter attacks and wiping out any other potential threat is one sided.  They were attacked and they will respond in their own way.  I'm sure the terrorist leaders knew this.  Put the blood of babies on their hands for starting the conflict, not Israel.  It's Israel defending itself and it's future.




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The goal of evolution is for all religions to wipe out each other.
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Yep.

Based upon the notion of evolutionary inevitability, then we can assume that everything is occurring accordingly relative to developing intellect and knowledge.

Though we have to accept that data transfer will inevitably inhibit the process of data evolution.

Necessary checks and balances perhaps?


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As a Cristian, I do support Israel in it's actions as a whole.  They are on the good side and I want to be on the good side too.  Simple as that.  They are God's chosen and do serve the same God as I serve.  

I know this is seen as narrow minded and bigoted, but there is evil in this world and to choose to sneak attack Israel is not a good thing to do.

To put the responsibility on the Israeli nation for their counter attacks and wiping out any other potential threat is one sided.  They were attacked and they will respond in their own way.  I'm sure the terrorist leaders knew this.  Put the blood of babies on their hands for starting the conflict, not Israel.  It's Israel defending itself and it's future.
Well, your comment comes in handy for this thread. As you, there are lot of christians standing up for Israel no matter if they do bad or good. I don't want to judge if Israel is doing bad or good, but your comment seems to show us that your support is unconditional because they are the chosen people. That's dangerous.
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I don't want to judge if Israel is doing bad or good, but your comment seems to show us that your support is unconditional because they are the chosen people. That's dangerous.
I can see why you say it's dangerous since it's a unwavering support no matter what a country does, BUT keep in mind that the Israeli people are God's chosen.  Stay on the side of God and you are always on the good side.

Of course, if you either don't believe in God or that Israel is God's people, then I look like an absolute nut.  Again, there is good and evil.  I want to be on the side of good.  Simple as that.

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Are you trying to convince me that there is a "God" sitting in a confortable throne from where he rewards the good boys and punishes viciously the bad boys. Haha! Oh, man, I've overcome this dilemma since I was a kid.

Maybe the sionists have their "God", maybe this God is actually sitting in his confortable throne watching over the earth from the sky, and maybe this God is preparing to show up with his craft to carry out the final judgment and take their good boys with him. Who knows? 😁
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Are you trying to convince me that there is a "God" sitting in a confortable throne from where he rewards the good boys and punishes viciously the bad boys. 
Trying to convince, of course not.  I figure the thread's starting question has you figuring there is no such thing as a God. 

I'm stating that my perspective that there is a God, he chose to bless Abraham, Isaac then Jacob and has a covenant with his promise to his people (Israel).  As a worshipper of this God, I am obligated to support the people of God.  Regardless of how you feel about God or not, what is true or not, this is my reason to support Israel's actions as a whole.  

Where you think a man's or countries actions can judged independently with today's standards, I say there is still a God that has a plan to manifest. 

So to each his own and we will see the outcome.

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One could argue, that even if one wants to support God's chosen people,
One ought want God's chosen people on a good path in life,
That supporting them on a wrong path, would not truly be supporting them.

Though I don't take the view that they are on the wrong path, myself.
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That supporting them on a wrong path, would not truly be supporting them.

Though I don't take the view that they are on the wrong path, myself.

It could be argued that they are doing everything wrong, therefore, on the wrong path continuously.  BUT what I have seen, almost all people who argue what Israel is doing is wrong are also people who do not like or believe in God.  With that said, what Israel is doing right now will be perceived as right or wrong depending on your belief in God, and then the support of Israel will also depend mainly of your belief in God and not so much as your belief in what is "right or wrong".
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 As a worshipper of this God, I am obligated to support the people of God.
So, for you the jew is over the gentile. Am I right?

Isn't it agaisnt Geezus' teachings?

Seriously, dude, you're behaving as the usefull idiot of the jews.

I don't like christianity but I think you as a christian zealot should abide more by the new testament than the old. Remember that Geezus was sentenced by the jews.
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GOD.

This is the omni-sensible super-intelligent guy, that sneaks upon old guys and sets fire to bushes. 

He also sends messages chiselled onto lumps of rock.

No spaceship, no smartphone, not even a pencil and paper.


A few thousand years of techno evolution later and you should realise that the old folk tales of people traipsing around the Arabian deserts fighting each other, are a tad silly.


Not to say that OSISI isn't a reasonable hypothesis, in terms of universal seeding. 

Though OSISI is OSISI and not the daft bloke.
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So, for you the jew is over the gentile. Am I right?
You are putting words in my text.  I never said the Jew was better in any way EXCEPT that they are God's chosen.  Like I said, my "crazy" belief that there is a supreme higher being and that being put his promise on a group of people still existent today, is the reason why I support Israel.  I support Israel because I believe in God, NOT because the Jew is better in some sort of way.  It would be a lot like I put a ton of support on my own children rather than the rest of the kids in the world.  They are not necessarily better, except that they are special to me.

Isn't it agaisnt Geezus' teachings?
Technically, no.  Jesus never preached all were equal.  He at first pushed away the Syrophenician woman stating it was not meet for her to eat the children's food:

For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

She pressed him and he was impressed by her faith in his abilities and possibly her desperation, and healed her daughter. 

Seriously, dude, you're behaving as the usefull idiot of the jews.
Maybe, but for sure you are being a "useful idiot" to someone.  We all follow someone/ something.  I choose God and the Bible and my outcome has become decent considering my other family's outcome who has not.  To each his own, again.

I don't like christianity but I think you as a christian zealot should abide more by the new testament than the old. Remember that Geezus was sentenced by the jews.
What is that abiding by the NT mean?  
Also, Jesus was sentenced by the ruling class of the Jews.  The people believed and loved him.  It was the corrupt power that condemned Jesus, not the Jewish people.  Also, keep in mind that Jesus came to Earth for the purpose of becoming the sacrifice for all.  So it was part of God's plan for them to act like this anyways. AND . . . that brings this full circle, God knows what he is doing with his people this time too, that is why I am behind what Israel is doing.
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OSISI - I know you have wrote out this acronym before.  What does it stand for again? omni-sensible super-intelligent . . . 

A few thousand years of techno evolution later and you should realise that the old folk tales of people traipsing around the Arabian deserts fighting each other, are a tad silly.
I suppose that most things we do in life when looked back upon is silly.  People get caught in some of the most foolish things and ideas.  Like when I was growing up, it was the Furby's, gigapets, pogs (which I still think was cool), and the such like. 

In the case of God, there for sure is something bigger than us and for any of us to be able to directly put our finger on it and say "this is what it is!" is absurd.  NOBODY knows the full past and nobody can re-create it.  All my belief in God and the Bible is pretty silly when brought to a table of Western science, but I don't judge it on that scale anyways. I suppose everyone is in their own category of crazy when compared to everything else.
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Yep. Nobody knows.

But we can all appreciate that the Universe is vast and that matter evolves.


Omni-Sensible Interventionist Super-intelligence.

Something came, something saw and something decided that this was a suitable planet, on which life and intelligence might develop.

And then it departed across the universe to find other such places.

Call it GOD if you will.

End of hypothesis.

Additional fantasy tales  are unnecessary.
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As a Cristian, I do support Israel in it's actions as a whole.  They are on the good side and I want to be on the good side too.  Simple as that.  They are God's chosen and do serve the same God as I serve.  
Clown!  🤡 
Gods chosen and most treasured people of all people "of all the nations on earth" were Hebrews.
"Now if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own special treasure from among all the peoples on earth; for all the earth belongs to me". Exodus 19:5

Nope not a single mention of Christ, Christians nor Christianity. Not a single mention of  Christ, Christians nor Christianity in the Old Testament  nor the four gospels either. Indeed the Christ himself clearly states that he had come only  to unite and save the "lost tribes (sheep) of Israel". 


They [the Israelis} are on the good side and I want to be on the good side too. 

Then shouldn't you convert? Considering that "Israelites/Jews" think nothing of Jesus only that he may have been an agitator and was nailed to  some wood for his trouble?


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Then shouldn't you convert? Considering that "Israelites/Jews" think nothing of Jesus only that he may have been an agitator and was nailed to  some wood for his trouble?
Leave it to Stephen to muddy waters here.

You know there are 2 testaments, or covenants.  One for the Hebrews and the other for Christians.  Same God.  

They actually call Jesus a wise teacher but not the Messiah or a prophet, so to say they think nothing of him is just not true.

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They actually call Jesus a wise teacher but not the Messiah or a prophet, so to say they think nothing of him is just not true.

 Who is it that calls  Jesus - "wise teacher"?
  And don't Christians believe Jesus is god?
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Who is it that calls  Jesus - "wise teacher"?
Referring to the Jewish community

  And don't Christians believe Jesus is god?
In a round about way, yes. God was in the flesh.
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They actually call Jesus a wise teacher but not the Messiah or a prophet, so to say they think nothing of him is just not true.

Who is it that calls  Jesus - "wise teacher"?
Referring to the Jewish community
Who specifically?


  And don't Christians believe Jesus is god?
In a round about way, yes. God was in the flesh.


Can you explain to me what you mean by saying that Jesus is god  "in a round about way"?

So are you then telling us that  Jesus is also Yahweh the god of the Hebrews, Israelites and the Jews?








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Who specifically?
Nobody Jewish that I have met, but it is because I never have asked.  I just googled it and it came up with this : Diverse views: While most Jews do not consider Jesus a prophet, some may view him as a Jewish teacher or a wise rabbi, though not with religious reverence.

So I know that most Jews despise Jesus and Christianity, but there are some that still think his teachings were at least wise.

Can you explain to me what you mean by saying that Jesus is god  "in a round about way"?

So are you then telling us that  Jesus is also Yahweh the god of the Hebrews, Israelites and the Jews?
I'm out of time, but basically God is a spirit (John 4:24), so God could not have been a man.  The Son of God (Jesus) was the combination of the flesh of man and the spirit of God.  To actually scientifically describe the union is a mystery (1 Tim 3:16), but the Son was not God, it was a vehicle for the sacrifice on the cross for mankind used of God.  So the God of the Hebrews is the same God of the Christians (not the Trinity, which is pagan beliefs).

So when you hear that Jesus is God, yes it was God manifested in flesh, or in a body.

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I think everyone knows that Israel is technically commiting genocide on Palestinians. It doesnt matter how evil muslims are, there is no justification for that so I'm not going to discuss it here. 

What I want to put into discussion, though, is the way Christians approach to this topic. This is what you're going to see all over the Internet, Christians cheering the jews to keep up with this butchery instead of condemning such horrible attacks only because both religions share the same "God" and some beliefs, but when it comes to other religions all of a sudden they start to remember there are human rights. 

I dont know about you but this is called double standard wherever you are. That's why I always say that religion and politics resemble one another, they suck.
Interesting theory. But it's so overgeneralised it defeats itself. 

Christians all over the world, the West, the East and the Middle East all have different perspectives on this subject. Gee, turn up in Australia to a Uniting Church and the Palestinians are correct and the Israelis are Evil. Walk down the street to a dispensational Baptist Church and the Israelis are right and the Palestinians - are evil. 

Luther and Calvin and a heap of the Reformers, along with the Roman Catholics, have long been accused of being anti-Semitic.  

It's an issue that is divisive, not just in religion but in the Secular world as well.  All over the world in fact. Just as it is here on this forum page. And among those who are not committed to any particular religion. 

Me, I think the issue is complex. Israel is killing lots of people. Hamas should just let the hostages go.  I think the League of Nations made a powerful mistake in 1940 - to give Jews land in the Middle East. But it did and now the world has to live with this decision. I don't think it was a fulfilment of Scripture, although many Christians do. 

The Jews were mightily persecuted during WW2. Hitler's NAZI regime was evil and so are followers of him today. It is not a Christian organisation - since it intentionally tried to destroy the church and has nothing to do with Christ. Using religious words doesn't make it religious. Yes, I know Hitler was a choirboy. So what? It doesn't mean he followed its teachings or promoted them. Fascism and its evil twin brother - Communism are competitors. Both are vying for the monopoly of the world. 

Christians are divided on this issue essentially as a matter of doctrine. Interestingly, it's probably an eschatological one, and an ecclesiology one. You will find that Christians do have some sympathy with the Jews as noted by someone above because of its historic roots and connections with Christianity. Yet there are many Christians in Gaza among the Palestinians who are being killed too.  Little is told of them because it's not politically helpful.  

I think we should call out both parties. But Hamas ought to give back the hostages. Israel should accept that as a reason to stop. Hamas should let Israel live peaceably. Israel should permit the Palestinians to live peaceably. Should there a two state solution? Why not a three state one? Someone should persuade Taiwan to move all of its citizens to live between Israel and Palestine.  That'd be interesting. 
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Yep Trade.

Clever stupid gene and overthink.

Such are two aspects of the human condition.
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They actually call Jesus a wise teacher but not the Messiah or a prophet, so to say they think nothing of him is just not true.

Who is it that calls  Jesus - "wise teacher"?
Referring to the Jewish community
Who specifically?
Nobody Jewish that I have met, but it is because I never have asked.  I just googled it and it came up with this : Diverse views: While most Jews do not consider Jesus a prophet, some may view him as a Jewish teacher or a wise rabbi, though not with religious reverence.
"Some may".
I see. So you just make it up as you go, grasping at any straw that you can find just lying around in the belief  it supports your claim that "the Jewish community" believe that Jesus was a  "wise teacher" with nothing specific that can be directly attributed to any  "Jewish community" at all. Do you not see your blinding contradiction?  Its simple. If there are Israelis  that believe in Jesus  regardless of his relation to god, being a god or a son of god, miracle worker or even a "wise teacher" then they would be Christians and not of "the Jewish community"  at all.

Can you explain to me what you mean by saying that Jesus is god  "in a round about way"?

So are you then telling us that  Jesus is also Yahweh the god of the Hebrews, Israelites and the Jews?
basically God is a spirit (John 4:24), so God could not have been a man. 

Although we were made in the image of god? Although Jacob says he wrestled "a man" that he categorically states was a god? Although Abraham categorically states that three "men" approached his tent  one of which he recognised as  god? 

And aren't all men ( gods chosen and most treasured at least)  gods? 
 John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’?


Leave it to Stephen to muddy waters here.

I think you mean - Leave it to Stephen to ask questions, challenge your  own comments and the Scriptures.
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I've always thought that you are a twit but I have to agree with you at this time.
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What is that abiding by the NT mean?  
Also, Jesus was sentenced by the ruling class of the Jews.  The people believed and loved him.  It was the corrupt power that condemned Jesus, not the Jewish people.  Also, keep in mind that Jesus came to Earth for the purpose of becoming the sacrifice for all.  So it was part of God's plan for them to act like this anyways. AND . . . that brings this full circle, God knows what he is doing with his people this time too, that is why I am behind what Israel is doing.
I guess the good samaritan parable did tell something about it.

At any rate, I don't want to discuss about the scriptures because it pisses me off. I just want to say that Geezus, aka the Christ, did never mention anything about giving support to the jews or that the jews are special. If there are christians all over the world it might be because Geezus' message is meant for any kind of people.
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Nobody Jewish that I have met, but it is because I never have asked.
so ask (preferably in a new post, or a private message).
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Sorry for the delay. . .

Although we were made in the image of god?
Right and in his likeness, but it never states that God is a man.  In fact the Bible is clear that it is the opposite in a few scriptures.  

Although Jacob says he wrestled "a man" that he categorically states was a god?
This was an angel or messenger of God.  The name change refers to him metaphorically wrestling with God.  If it were really God that Jacob had phyciscaly wresteled, there would not have been a struggle.
Although Abraham categorically states that three "men" approached his tent  one of which he recognised as  god? 
Again, Angels or messengers of God.  Read in the beginning of that chapter that God appeared to Abraham and then the 3 angels approached him.  Also at the end, the men leave and then God is still talking to Abraham.  So there was multiple conversations going on between God and Abraham and then the 3 men (angels) and Abraham.  A little confusing I would say, BUT this does not show that God was a man.

Do you not see your blinding contradiction?  Its simple. If there are Israelis  that believe in Jesus  regardless of his relation to god, being a god or a son of god, miracle worker or even a "wise teacher" then they would be Christians and not of "the Jewish community"  at all.
Meh.  Semantics.  Can a guy who is Hebrew still look at some of the things that Jesus taught and realize that some of it was very wise, but not follow Jesus?  Can I not hear something from an atheist that is true but still not turn into one?

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Although we were made in the image of god?
, but it never states that God is a man. 

Typical denial of BIBLE facts.


Although Jacob says he wrestled "a man" that he categorically states was a god?
This was an angel or messenger of God. 

 Nope. More denials of biblical facts.

Genesis 32:24-29 New International Version
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[ saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
Also interesting here is the BIBLICAL fact that we have yet another BIBLICAL character saying he saw the face of god and lived. along with Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel that all saw God.
While another part of the BIBLE states that "no one has seen the face of god and lived ". ex John 1:18


Although Abraham categorically states that three "men" approached his tent  one of which he recognised as  god? 
Again, Angels or messengers of God.  
Of which one was "the Lord".  

Do you not see your blinding contradiction?  Its simple. If there are Israelis  that believe in Jesus  regardless of his relation to god, being a god or a son of god, miracle worker or even a "wise teacher" then they would be Christians and not of "the Jewish community"  at all.
Meh.  Semantics. 

Not at all.  And you still haven't  show us this Jewish community that you tell us believed Jesus was a "wise teacher".


Sorry for the delay. . .
 🤡 I didn't notice. 


Off you go now trady.

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Typical denial of BIBLE facts.
It does not state that God was a man and he created man to look just like him.  There are multiple passages that say that God is not a man.  So, if God is not a man, then the references to God being a man must mean something else or a personification of God (I.E. God's right arm or nostrils).

Also interesting here is the BIBLICAL fact that we have yet another BIBLICAL character saying he saw the face of god and lived. 
He did not see the face of God in the sense of you seeing another man's face.  It was metaphorical again.  AND if he did mean to say he actually saw God's face, he was wrong because that guy that he wrestled could not have been God.  God parted the Red sea in one night, but could not get free of Jacob's grasp?  

Of which one was "the Lord". 
It was God.  Look how the men talk to Abraham, it says "they" said.  Then it is specific about the Lord talking.  God was using these men (angels) to talk to Abraham and then God interjected into the conversation.  The 3 men and God are separate entities.

Not at all.  And you still haven't  show us this Jewish community that you tell us believed Jesus was a "wise teacher".
Fine.

Off you go now trady.
Trady?!  At first glance I thought it said tardy, like retard, and I was thinking "well, that's okay, I guess".  But Trady?!  Like Tradesecret?!  Those are fightin' words!