Instigator / Pro
12
1504
rating
10
debates
65.0%
won
Topic
#5842

Suicide is never justified.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
9
Better sources
6
6
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
3
3

After 3 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Moozer325
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
4,096
Voting period
Two months
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
1,500
Contender / Con
21
1584
rating
29
debates
70.69%
won
Description

Suicide: The deliberate self-inflicted ending of one's own life. Can include indirect means, as long as it is primarily intended to end one's own life above all else except fundamental ethical/axiological goals.

Never: In no cases whatsoever.

Justified: Objectively ethically and/or axiologically warranted. Objectively preferable (or at least equal to alternative(s)) given what is objectively ethical/unethical and/or valuable/"unvaluable".

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Note: Con automatically loses the debate if they purposefully copy the arguments I use in my other suicide debate.

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@Novice_II

If you believe you could do much better with the same setup (can be (a) different R1 argument(s)), I would be elated to argue as Con against you.

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@Novice_II

I agree.

4,096 characters, 3 days, and as far as I know no good alternative except for a very complex argument with no previous formal representation. This made for a challenge I was not able to do very well at.

Omitting "(or at least equal to alternative(s))" from the definition of "justified" would have made it a lot easier, but I wanted to see if I could formalize my axiological position, and I underestimated the character requirement to do that well given my abilities.

This argument is terrible

I am actually black so pro is wrong

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@Lemming

Who knows... Who knows what dreams you'll be having today at night and what decision you'd have to make :)

Btw, most people tend to save their life till the very end, hoping to the divine salvage. So, you can't be sure how you'd behave.

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@Kanasero

I 'might, but the possibility for failure and torture being high,
I'd might be tempted to save it for myself,
Hopefully I'll never have to know what I would decide.

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@Lemming

Why wouldn't you try to kill one of cannibals using your gun? In that case they'll maybe decide that you're some magical divine creature, who can kill from distance :) I'm sure they know nothing about firearm.

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@Ferbalot

Well, I'm pretty willful about living myself,
Even in theoretical circumstances.

But if I crashed on a desert island, and saw several other of my shipmates grilled alive over an open fire before being eaten alive (Just cooked a bit) by cannibals,
Then the cannibals are gesturing at me and the fire, and I happened to have a gun hidden, with one bullet,
Suicide 'might be tempting then.

I wont kill myself because I am a coward.