If God does not exist, then morality is speculative at best
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In Dostoevsky's classic, "The Brothers Karamazov," one of the brilliant characters, Ivan Fyodorovich, states the following:
"...were mankind's belief in its immortality to be destroyed, not only love but also any living power to continue the life of the world would at once dry up in it. Not only that but then nothing would be immoral any longer, everything would be permitted, even the eating of human flesh (anthropophagy)."
Another character summarizes Ivan's view this way: "Evildoing should not only be permitted but even should be acknowledged as the most necessary and most intelligent solution for the situation of every godless person!"
The contention of this debate is to answer the age-old question, "Does atheism imply immorality, or can the moral landscape be salvaged some other way than in the existence of the divine?"
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Forfeiture.
Pro was around for debate.
Sources didn't factor in really.
Pro was legible.
Con conduct hit for missing debate.
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I read The Brothers Karamazov once in High School.
. . . Well, permitted by who?
Even in chess one is not permitted by standard rules, to move a King as a Knight.
One can do so anyhow, but even if God exists, one can eat human flesh, even if it is not permitted by God.
People still commit and value acts defined evil by God.
R1
"what is considered moral today can be considered immoral tomorrow"
I suppose, but any yardstick is a yardstick, what makes God the yardstick of yardsticks?
R2
Moral Truths, Moral Ends, Ends that maximize X or hold true to X.
If one father instructs their child to kill, and another father instructs their own child to not kill, Both children's moral facilities were not random, but intentionally designed.
Course, I suppose one might argue that there 'is no other God, that my example of two fathers does not work compared to God.
R3
I think obligations exist when there is some end,
The obligation exists when considering how to reach that end,
If I value money above all, I have an obligation to take advantage of my fellow humans,
If I value my fellow humans, I have an obligation not to take advantage of them. Generally speaking.
Pro made argument. Con didnt.
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Forfeiture.
Actually morality is not subjective at all so the I stigator is factually incorrect
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11801-the-case-for-objective-morality
You know, if you made a new debate and made the resolution something like, "If God exists, then morality is objective," I might just be willing to accept that one.
Morality is subjective regardless of whether or not God exists.