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This thread is being created to challenge @Mps1213 (and anyone else likeminded) on the subject of George Floyd’s death, specifically the illicit drugs he consumed prior to the initial contact with police and the excited delirium that followed during his apprehension that lead to his cardiac arrest and respiratory failure. Two common results of an overdose when one is “speedballing.” In other words, when one is taking/consuming a strong stimulant like meth that staves off the effects of depressants like fentanyl and amphetamines, when the stimulant(s) wears off, fatality more often than not occurs (unless medical intervention is immediate upon noticing the symptoms of an overdose). As in the case of Mr. George Floyd. An individual addicted to illicit drugs like fentanyl, amphetamines, morphine, marijuana and methamphetamines.
However, pseudo know-it-alls like Mps1213 believe Floyd did not die from what they would consider as a “recreational drug,” but rather from the neck compression (despite the coroner clearly reporting absolutely “no life-threatening injuries [were] identified.” In comments in another formal debate, Mps1213 basically, for a lack of better terms, mouthed off that he knows better than Sir.Lancelot, myself and anyone else on this subject of Floyd’s death who dares say otherwise. So, this forum thread is being created to challenge him on this very subject, and to allow anyone else so interested and inclined to join the debate/discussion, pro or con, may do so. This shall (or rather should/could) provide a learning experience for all involved. So without further adieu…
On May 26, 2020, at 9:25am, just 12 hours after Floyd’s pronounced death, the coroner completed the autopsy of George Floyd.
“As was released earlier by the medical examiner’s office, Floyd’s cause of death is listed officially as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The full autopsy report states further that “no life-threatening injuries [were] identified.” The medical examiner’s office had also previously deemed the manner of Floyd’s death a “homicide.”The report describes Floyd as a “46-year-old man who became unresponsive while being restrained by law enforcement officers; he received emergency medical care in the field and subsequently in the Hennepin HealthCare (HHC) Emergency Department, but could not be resuscitated.” https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/
The above quotes are not only poorly written grammatically and contextually, but they are also self-contradictory. Then there is this:
“Critically, the report says Floyd “experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”
Having provided those two quotes (and sources) to describe the coroners official findings of the manner in which George Floyd died, what I implore upon anyone and everyone reading this thread is the fact that you each have to look at the data and circumstances OBJECTIVELY, not subjectively driven by emotion or otherwise. Nor any absurd appeals to authority either. The people with letters after their name all perjured themselves on the stand regarding the subject matter being discussed herein.
To clarify my position on the stated manner of death:
“cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression”
The wording of this statement, contextually, directly implies that Floyd’s experiencing a heart attack – in the moment (i.e., excited delirium) – complicated the subdued, restrain, and neck compression” executed by law enforcement. When I read this from a law enforcement perspective, this tells me that while all the officers involved, especially Chauvin, were doing exactly what they were trained to do in order to calm Floyd down and subdue him without increasing the use of force continuum…Floyd’s heart attack “complicated” that effort that required EMS to be called vs routine transport to the county jail for booking.
Yet people like Mps1213, BLM (Burn Loot Murder aka Black Lives Matter), and the leftist propaganda machine (MSM) would have everyone believe that Chauvin either broke or compressed his neck so much that it caused damage to his larynx and caused asphyxiation. That couldn’t be further from the truth. As the coroner clearly noted: “no life-threatening injuries [were] identified.”
Given the fact that there were “no life-threatening injuries” identified during the initial/original unbiased autopsy by the county coroner, that leaves the question: why/how did George Floyd die. Well, the next place to look is the Toxicology report: https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report for the (in your face) obvious answer. He died of a drug overdose brought on by a lethal concoction of fentanyl, methamphetamines, amphetamines, morphine and marijuana. Stimulants vs depressants. A deadly combination either way you slice and dice it. And when you add comorbidities like hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and a positive test for COVID-19…well, death was certain and imminent. See below:
“Underlying Conditions The report says Floyd’s autopsy revealed three “natural diseases:” (1) “arteriosclerotic heart disease,” which it described as “multifocal, severe;” (2) “hypertensive heart disease,” which included a “clinical history of hypertension,” and (3) a left pelvic tumor, which it described as “incidental.” (Incidental tumors are generally benign.) The report elsewhere said that a “cross sections of coronary arteries, though not all ideally oriented, confirm the gross impression of atherosclerotic narrowing.”
Then add into that mix the toxicology findings, broken down and sectioned out here (same place the above quote was taken from): https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/
The obvious fact of the matter is Floyd consumed a fatal dose of fentanyl and meth in what is commonly known as “speedballing.” https://www.training.fadaa.org/Speedballing/Speedballing_PPT.pdf
The lethal dose of fentanyl is 2mg (but can be less); Floyd had 11ng/mL in his blood as reported in the toxicology report. But when combined with all the other stimulants and depressants he willingly consumed that day, Floyd was “dead man walking.” Which perfectly explains why he can be heard on body-cam footage upon initial and immediately following contact by police (long before the infamous knee) telling them he was having trouble breathing. Respiratory distress and failure is a common result of mixing potent stimulants with deadly depressants. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-floyd-told-police-he-was-struggling-breathe-officer-put-n1218556
The risks of combining fentanyl and meth is no secret. Fentanyl is not a new drug, but it is certainly more dangerous than most others, especially when combined with other drugs like methamphetamines, amphetamines, et al. https://www.ashevillerecoverycenter.com/methamphetamine-and-fentanyl/
“Deaths related to methamphetamine cut with fentanyl appear to have spiked in recent years; for instance, a 2022 report from the New York State Department of Health noted that overdose deaths involving methamphetamine notably increased in the state (outside of New York City) from 2016 to 2020, but that the majority of those deaths also involved fentanyl. This suggests that “the potent opioid [fentanyl] has actually been driving the increase.”Part of the reason the combination is particularly dangerous is because it combines an opioid (a depressant) with meth (a stimulant). According to the Florida Alcohol & Drug Abuse Association, the combination of an opioid and stimulant, when taken intentionally, is sometimes called “speed-balling.”The opposing effects of the two types of substances can mask each other, making overdose more likely. For instance, in some cases of overdose, the stimulant’s effects may wear off, and respiratory failure can result—particularly from an opioid as strong as fentanyl.”
Taking into consideration the multitude of deaths, reported overdoses, and the scientific evidence that explains the ever increasing uptick in deaths related to fentanyl overdoses when mixed (laced) with other illicit drugs, and the fact that the coroner made it perfectly clear in his report that there was absolutely no life threatening injuries to Floyd’s body (e.g. his neck, specifically), the ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION is that he died from an overdose complicated by excited delirium during his arrest. That’s all on him and has no bearing on the officers and the manner in which they conducted their arrest per their own departments training guidelines and S.O.P.
The ONLY reason the officers were ostracized and Chauvin was tried is it was yet another (among many) distractions the left and Democrats took advantage of (never let a tragedy go to waste) in further dividing this country and gaining or solidifying current democratic voters to continue voting for the Democratic Party. Officer Chauvin is innocent and he is nothing short of being a political prisoner in his win country for which he swore an oath to defend, and that country turned its back on him all in the name of divisive political rhetoric on faux racism and police brutality claims.
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Candace Owens new documentary PROVES Floyd died of an OD on Fentanyl. and the left needs to spin a different take on order to financially benefit the biggest lie ever sold to America: #BLM
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Both Trump and George Floyd are victims of rogue law enforcement officers breaking the law.
The bad apples at the FBI tried to do to Trump exactly what the bad apples at the MN police dept did to George Floyd.
See any liberals calling for reform at the FBI? Trump is white, so he can't possibly be a victim.
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I have a question for you all on how to interpret the phrase "breathing expert." Barney and Novice had a debate about whether Derek Chauvin is a racist. After I voted, I found out that my interpretation of a phrase in that debate is not as universal as I thought. So here's a quick question for you all.
Read the following paragraph from the debate.
"During the murder, DC was told 27 separate times by a breathing expert with 46 years’ experience, that the victim could not breath; the expert was African American, and DC wholly ignored the advice. Another breathing expert with 26 years’ experience (fellow officer Alexander Kueng) likewise advised DC that George Floyd no longer had a pulse, also an African American and was of course ignored [4]. Had DC respected superior knowledge when it comes from African Americans, he would not be in prison and George Floyd would still be alive."
Poll Questions:
1) Who are the breathing experts in question?
2) Does this paragraph imply that the breathing experts in question are medical professionals?
3) Is this a correct use of the term "breathing expert"?
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Beat to Loop for the rap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGNNAnkWJA
What I see is people talking big, their white privilege is evident,
Spoilt brats born rich, think their ancestor's wealth is heaven-sent,
Think they deserve a cent of it, then wonder why the rest resent the fact that blacks have inheritance far less common and the bottom of the barrel's only low due to past prejudice still rendering results the remain prevalent,
What do you know about it? Petulance among caucasions blessed with tenament,
They used to own all votes but cannot gloat the privilege anymore; protestors got the betterment thanks to Democratic president's benevolence,
I know Lincoln freed the slaves, but the was a fuck-ton more to fix and that he never did,
Civil Rights, affirmative action and practically every tax that helped them was down to Dem's development,
Some of you are blaming B-L-M for their reverence towards a party that blatantly helped the blacks so much and today is dedicated to egalitarian prevalence,
I suggest getting your head out of your ass, read less Mein Kampf and your Faux Fox News and more objective facts that'll slap the ignorance out of your mind so fast it's like a zap of electric intelligence,
You look at looters and think they represent the protests when they are literally hurting black business owners, you're a moron for suggesting it,
Get to grips with reality, commit less logical fallacies and open your mind to the issue that's affecting many African-American residents.
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To those who think BLM haven't changed anything and that 'it hasn't happened since the slavery days'
Tell me right now that the way she was treated in her trial and lack of representation she had would have happened if she were a Caucasian American.
Do not look '.co.uk' and tell me she was British, read the article. It was a British lawyer that saved her. That is irrelevant to the piece, I am just clarifying before people try to correct me on this. The British legal system also has needed a lot of work pushed forward by BLM protests and campaigns in order to improve, it's just further along the way, I believe.
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Do not talk. Do not say a word. Do not type. Watch a murderous racist abuse of police power take place and pay some fucking respect.
It makes me sick that you idiots can even fall for some bullshit propaganda. Stfu and watch it. Understand what you are defending.
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I replied this to Fauxlaw's debate:
The frequency of wrongful convictions, overly-brutal sentences and the very pressures (financial and sociological) that drive one to crime are all very much harshest against those of the 'black' race due to many things in the past trickling down generations.The gap between whites and blacks of average income, education quality and stuff like that is getting worse (but obviously not 'worse' than literal slavery) as time goes by. The less opportunity they have, the more pressures there are to become a criminal to ever be more than a blue collar worker for life on a dirt-cheap wage that can barely uphold themselves, let alone their families, especially if relatives get sick.It's also the case that generally speaking, caucasians in poverty have somehow got distant relatives to help them out, however I am not suggesting that they have it 'easier' by a large margin at all. The issue is that the system is overall rigged against blacks because due to all the things I've mentioned there is a bias against people of that ethnicity that says they are more likely to have done crimes (since they're more commonly driven towards it as they are desperate for money and have far less opportunity to get it). This bias runs deep in both mentality of not hiring and promoting them as well as convicting them of crimes.This is the core thing that needs to be altered in MANY 'white' countries that previously enslaved and continually discriminated against blacks in recent generations. The effect is still being had on blacks alive today and that is what needs to be stopped.
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