Prisoners of war=women
Where did you get that assumption from?
Of course if the prisoners of war are the enemy, and the enemy fights you and you fight back, you capture the enemy and take them as prisoners or slaves or whatever you want to call them.
And marrying is not the only option. I gave you 4. Owner can free them them kindness. Slave has to pay to become free. Slave can marry owner. Slaves can convert to Muslim and be free. Now for me this is fair. It is fair because if you don't want slaves, then don't declare war on Muslims. Its as simple as that
Slaves are only allowed in prisoners of war
And even then they can convert to Muslim and be free, the owner can let them go, they can pay and they can be let go, or can marry the owner to become free
If they marry the owner, the owner has to treat them right with respect and provide for them just like a couple should work.
Now Novice, it is a simple case of bias and dare I say Islamophobia. I have had countless messages telling me that I am useless that Muslims are terrorists, that I do not belong in society, that I do not belong here etc etc. I don't care about these messages. However it is evident and clear when the moment I say something that is apparently out of order, you respond. But when other people say stuff, you don't respond. Nor does anyone else. Plus I just defended myself because this debate is not about slaves it is about the 2 religions. Christianity allows slaves too, how many did moses have etc etc. I don't want to go into detail however it is very unfair and to be frank, racist. I have had what, like 5 non Muslims all attacking Islam, maybe even more and there is only 1 Muslim which is me, backing the case. Out of order from you novice, I expected better
Yes, I agree with that. But if we are playing that game then I will play it. US and UK killing 3 million of my brothers and sisters. Hitler killing 6 million of my fellow humanity. Christchurch, right winged Christian, killing of my brothers in a mosque in new Zealand. Indian authorities killing my brothers and sisters in Kashmir. Israel authorities killing my brothers and sisters in Palestine. The LRA in Uganda, killing many of my fellow humanity. The Crusaders declaring war on Muslims and Jews motivated by Christianity and taking over Jerusalem. Threats posted to Muslim households in the UK threatening to kill Muslims and nuke Mecca on April 3rd. I can go all day. I can play this gutter game all day.
Now you are really ignorant. I cannot debate with you on comments. Lets see what the people think. If you really want to debate then please do, make a debate and I will accept. If not then do not waste my time
With terrorism, I state that there is nothing in the book that supports terrorism, unless you think self defence is terrorism.
With oppression of women, I state there is nothing in the book, that oppresses women.
With Miracles, I say there are miracles in the Quran
With contradictions, I address the contradictions. I am not doing anything here, I am hard to debate because people cannot accept the truth, not because I divert it.
Lol, Khadijah, one of the greatest women who led an army.
Maryam, mother of Jesus, highly respected figure
Aisha, highly respected figure
Paradise is at a mothers feet
Indonesia, the largest Muslim country has had 2 female prime ministers
USA has had 0
So women do not have to pay money to the country and that is seen as sexist? Wow, what has the world come to.
Women are exempt of all financial liabilities. Is that sexist? Is that oppressive? If you think that is then wow, go back to school.
You don't like Christianity yet you follow Jesus as God and worship him. Wow, another big claim. Christians will call you a heretic.
Also you do realise that Muslims pay tax as well, Zakat. Who are you to decide if Jizya tax is more or less? Zakat is 2.5% of a mans wealth. The man could have 1 billion in his account, this means 2.5 million will go to charity.
This is the thing Ehyeh. I am going to be really honest with you. Realistically you don't care what I say, if you think what I am saying is bad, then that is your choice. Islam is the most highly converted to religion, women and men are converting and Islam is a low converted back religion.
You do you bro, have a good time in life.
I am not going to respond to any more messages, not because I am scared but because I just cannot be asked talking to someone that always assumes bad about Islam.
In a previous debate, you said I made good points, and now you are opposing those points. So have a good day, if you want to debate, then please make the debate, if not then thanks for your time.
What has this got to to with Islam oppressing women? Also the US killed 3 million of my brothers and sisters. So I am going to say it is the US that is to blame, not only for the killing and genocide of 3 million people, but also the killing and genocide of the native Americans, something which the US has not taken blame over. Yet you want to say that my religion supports terrorism, look at your own country first you mong
You know what jizya is? Women don't pay it. Old people do not pay it. Children do not pay it. You know what tax is? Tax is everywhere in every country. Muslims pay zakat which is giving money to charity 2.5% of their wealth each year. And Jizya is tax for non Muslims. And Muslims pay jizya too, if they are called up for the army then Muslims can pay jizya and be exempt from the army. Jizya is fair for everyone.
In Islam we have gender roles. Why can't women talk in church? They have to be silent correct? It says in the Bible. It is called gender roles, maybe look it up. Women have rights and roles. Men have rights and roles. Children too. Nothing not fair about this.
Yet again, you are falling for the same misconceptions. Muslim men are the providers. They are the people that pay everything. They are the people that pay a woman's dowry. You know what that is?
Muslim men are also the people who carry on the religion of Islam for generations. They take their children to the mosque, they are the people who educate their children on Islam.
I never said there were more creators. I said Hindu's worship the different Gods like they are the creator. Plus Hinduism is not a religion where you have to do certain things and you get paradise and if you do not then you get hell. Hinduism is like Buddhism, it is an ideology, a more philosophical faith rather than a spiritual faith. After you die, depending on karma, you get turned into a different being. It is a little confusing however as I said, Hinduism is a different matter
All the million of Gods in Hinduism are worshipped. Worshipped to the point of that they created the person worshipping. This is not right, Hinduism is another matter, a polytheistic religion makes no sense. There can only be 1 creator.
1 creator who is independent
1 creator who has no beginning
1 creator who is self sufficient
1 creator who is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, etc etc.
You can believe in what you want to believe, but there can only be 1 truth. And that 1 truth will come in the hereafter
Hinduism is another matter. Brahman is a God but there are millions of other Gods as well, for different purposes, much like the roman or Greek Gods etc. Plus Hinduism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is claiming to be mono however it is clearly not. But then again, this is a difference of opinion. Nothing that I can say will change yours or Ehyeh's mind. Ehyeh believes in Jesus being God yet is not Christian, not much sense in that.
You clearly are misunderstood about how Islam teaches to respect women. Let me enlighten you.
The reason why I brought the US into it, was because I thought this was a terrorism debate, it is not, yet my point still stands.
The point I was trying to make, you have to look at the scripture to judge what Islam actually teaches. I could be a firm believer and a few other people as well could be believers of Buddhism. I could disrespect my wife and hit her, and then blame the religion. This causes a domino effect on the rest of the people including the unbelievers pf Buddhism. They will all believe that hitting women is advocated in Islam. Both you 2 and people that hit wives think the same. That Islam is the reason for it, when that is clearly not the case.
Islam dominated countries so women are mistreated because of Islam? How did you reach that conclusion? The religion itself does not teach to mistreat women, it is the men who have a brain, who have the ability to know right and wrong, and pick wrong. Muslim men honour women for example, Islam teaches that paradise is under your mothers feet. Women are entitled to work, to vote, to be educated, to divorce, for a dowry which I doubt you know what it is, inheritance rights, exempt from all financial liabilities and many more rights. Is this the religion of Islam teaching Muslim men that you should be hitting and disgracing women? Or is it that the men of these times take matters into their own hands and choose their free will over the righteous actions. You do realise that there are domestic abuse cases in the US, the UK, all of Europe, all of Africa etc. It is not mutually exclusive to Muslim countries. Even the Bible teaches women should be silent in church, but no one speaks about that because Christianity has changed to become more integrative for this society. Yet when this society changes to a different one, Christianity will change again, making the religion weak and the people that change the religion want people to accept them so they change the laws. This is what you want?
Then we can move onto the striking. Muslims cannot cause pain to the woman, Muslims cannot leave a mark, so how are they supposed to strike the women till bleeding? This does not make sense. So think about what I said and take it in. Muslims are not allowed to hit women. Why do some do it anyway? Because they have a brain and know between right and wrong, and pick wrong. Nothing new here.
Then we can move onto child marriage. Prohibited. Muslims cannot marry children. The reason why the Prophet married a 9 year old is because Allah commanded him to. Read more about the marriage on this- https://www.islamicfinder.org/knowledge/biography/story-of-aisha-bint-abi-bakr/
Then we move to polygamy. Men are told to marry up to 4 wives and if they cannot provide for all the wives then only marry 1. Women cannot marry more than 1 husband because first of all, DNA testing. I have said this so many times to Ehyeh. DNA testing was not discovered for 1400 years. Why would Muslims change the religion of Islam now that DNA testing is discovered? Changing a religion to meet societal standards is weak. Then another reason is the women will have sex with more than 1 man. Increased chance of STD's. Increased chance of abuse. Increased chance of fights, arguments and stress. Increased chance of depression. The women would get tired, looking after kids with different fathers.
https://www.dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6167- Answer to the Muslim man marrying Christian or Jew women, and not the other way round.
A dream is completely different to life. Jesus existed in life however he had no divinity on his own, only with the help of his father and he was 100% human. Never encouraged people to worship him etc
You should have included that quote in the debate. Never mind, still would not have saved you. The reason being is the context. Context has intellectually disabled the point you are trying to make. One word. Warfare. Another 3 words. Holy War criteria. Last two words. Try again
How could you disagree by stating what you saw in Iraq is the reason why Islam does not advocate terrorism. Don't you think its the people not the religion? Plus the US killed 3 million of my fellow Muslims for no reason. I also see the US the same as you see Muslims. There was also the genocide of native Americans as well.
Omg, yes it means infinite power.
Omnipotent, means infinite power
Meaning, there is no one more powerful than God
Lets just say a raindrop is God. This is believed by Ehyeh. a raindrop is a small aspect of God. First of all, that raindrop would have to have Gods qualities such as omnipotence and omniscience, but it doesn't because the main God which is not in the universe has got these qualities. 2 entities cannot have these qualities. If God who is not in this universe has these qualities then nothing else can have them. It is so simple
This is just not possible and cannot work. Power is nothing to do with typing. Bad example. Infinite power in other terms means more power than anything else. If something has more power than another thing, that another thing cannot be the most powerful.
I just cannot believe why people are not understanding this. Basic, basic understanding.
I agree, being omnipotent means to have infinite power. 2 entities cannot have infinite power. So God needs to have the most power, no one can have more power than Him. This is what it means if you break it down. Now, there cannot be 1 aspect of him which is not omnipotent. If 1 aspect is not omnipotent, then something would be more powerful than that 1 aspect. This contradicts Gods omnipotence so that 1 aspect cannot be omnipotent. This is basic logic,
All the aspects of God need to be omnipotent, and the ones that are not, are not God. This is basic logic,
I do not mix up omnipotence with omniscience etc. I know the difference. But omnipotence is just 1 example. I could apply what I just said in my last paragraph with omniscience as well, however omnipotence is the more used term. You are the one contradicting things. So simple to understand yet they are 'deaf dumb and blind' to understand
It does not matter about the substance of the shapes, matters about the shapes themselves. If I slice a person in half, the top of the head would be the beginning, and the bottom of the belly would be the end. Then we move on to the other shape. The top of the pelvis would be the beginning and the bottom of the feet would be the end. Or vice versa. It does not matter about the substance, the shape itself
God is infinite. But not in his creation. The reason being is it would contradict his other attributes. If God is all powerful, He cannot be in his own creation. Therefore, if he is not in his own creation, he has to be outside his creation. We believe that God is closer to us than our jugular vein in spirituality. However as you are talking about a physical aspect of God, this is not supported
Not necessarily. If God has infinite power, He is the only one that has that power. 2 entities cannot have infinite power as one has to have more than the other, basic logic. Now if an entity has infinite power, it has more than anyone else. Thus being the most powerful. Thus if 1 aspect is not the most powerful, then that 1 aspect is God because then there would be something more powerful than that 1 aspect. Again, basic logic
What? That just supports my point, If God is not omnipotent in 1 aspect, then that 1 aspect is not God. Because there is something that is more powerful than that 1 aspect. it is just basic english
God is not omnipresent. I do not believe that. So it is not a fact of dodging a question, it is a fact of you being too ignorant of looking at my answers and interpreting that Rayhan does not believe that God is omnipresent
However you have just contradicted yourself with the paint analogy. Lets say the paint and the floor were made from the same materials. 1 primary materiel with the rest being secondary and changeable. If the paint is then spilled on the floor, you can basically say according to your logic that the paint is falling on the paint and it is not a boundary. I will give an example on your perspective of God. God is a chair and God is the floor. Both chair and floor are made from 100% wood or 99% wood. You can then say that the chair and the floor have no boundary as they are both the same. So the chair is God and floor is God. There is no valuation of God here
also can you write your comments in 1 comment pls, it is kinda hard if I send a message and you send another 1. just make all your points in one comment
Of course every aspect of God has to be all powerful. If one aspect of God is not all powerful, then it is weak. And if it is weak, then it is not God as God is all powerful. It his God's nature to be all powerful however you do not think like this
So there is a whole, lets assume it is a block of cheese. I half the block of cheese, cook a half and eat it and poo it out. The block of cheese is in the sewage system. The block of cheese has decomposed and has now become my poo. Does that block of cheese in the sewage system still have the same attributes, properties, smell, taste as the one in the fridge?
If God is a droplet of water, if God is a grain of sand, and there are billions and trillions and more and if God is a star and there are billions of stars and if God is a person, there are billions of people etc etc. This basically means that God is split into parts. Illogical. The reason why is very very simple. It would mean that God had a beginning. If God is infinite, and you break God into parts, then each part has a beginning and an end to the next part. And of course you guys both believe that God has no beginning and no end.
If God is a droplet of water, if God is a grain of sand, how do we know if that is God? By this I mean what attributes is God like that the grain of sand has? Is the grain of sand omnipotent? If God is all powerful, there cannot be something more powerful than Him. So a grain of sand is not all powerful, which means it is not God. Basic.
No. He used his will to make the materiel. Not pieces of him. This is illogical, because if God is infinite, there cannot be pieces of him. This would make him finite. For example, reduce his power. And you may say, He is God, he does whatever he wants. He does stuff that befits his attributes. If he makes himself weaker and he is omnipotent then that is going against his attributes. Illogical
If I kill myself, am I killing God? If I kill people, am I killing God? This is wrong according to the Bible. If I spit a chewing gum out, am I spitting out God? This entire philosophy is just abnormal
There is no material to make things out of. He created the materiel to make it. It never existed and then it did. Because He is that independent entity that created it.
So again, if you dont know what is good and bad. Is rape good or bad? And if you do not want to label it, then you automatically are disagreeing with nearly everyone on the planet.
Then we can do this. Is God a knife? I can use that knife to stab someone. Is it me that killed a person, or God?
Lets just assume that God is also a chocolate. I am going to eat the chocolate, does that mean I am eating God? Lets also assume that God is a toilet, am I going to do my waste in God? Lets also assume that God is my bed, am I going to sleep on God? Lets also assume that God is a punch bag, am I punching God?
So God is also a toilet? God is in a rubbish bin? God is in someone's chimney? Do you really believe that?
Secondly, the universe has not always been here, there is a beginning. Most scientists agree on this that 13.4 billion years ago, the big bang occurred etc. Now the universe relies on time and space, it is a dependant entity. A dependant entity cannot always have been here, it needed to have been created. The reason for this is very simple. Something that relies on something else, must have to be created by something or it will be an infinite regress. And this is impossible. It is also a cause and effect. Something has to make the small matter explode in the big bang, it won't do it itself with no outside influence
Thirdly, just because the Bible says it, does not mean it is true. Where is the evidence for that? Is the Bible reliable? Who are the authors of the 4 gospels that said this?
God is not created. God has always been there, I am sure you believe this too as you are Christian. But since Jesus had a beginning, he was born and came out of a womb, he was created. I do agree that atheism is just a lack of belief though. Whatever atheists say, it is wrong, the only possible solution for the creation of the universe is God. No one can differ
No because that would show his weakness. It would make him weaker because God would then be restricted in doing certain things. Yes Jesus did miracles, but only with the father helping him, he does not do them without the father. Jesus relies on the father for his existence, not the other way round. It is like saying can God make himself into a toilet. This is not God like, it goes against his attributes, but as you said, God must be all things. Can God be waste? Of course not
Prisoners of war=women
Where did you get that assumption from?
Of course if the prisoners of war are the enemy, and the enemy fights you and you fight back, you capture the enemy and take them as prisoners or slaves or whatever you want to call them.
And marrying is not the only option. I gave you 4. Owner can free them them kindness. Slave has to pay to become free. Slave can marry owner. Slaves can convert to Muslim and be free. Now for me this is fair. It is fair because if you don't want slaves, then don't declare war on Muslims. Its as simple as that
Because it is obviously a lie.
Slaves are only allowed in prisoners of war
And even then they can convert to Muslim and be free, the owner can let them go, they can pay and they can be let go, or can marry the owner to become free
If they marry the owner, the owner has to treat them right with respect and provide for them just like a couple should work.
Now Novice, it is a simple case of bias and dare I say Islamophobia. I have had countless messages telling me that I am useless that Muslims are terrorists, that I do not belong in society, that I do not belong here etc etc. I don't care about these messages. However it is evident and clear when the moment I say something that is apparently out of order, you respond. But when other people say stuff, you don't respond. Nor does anyone else. Plus I just defended myself because this debate is not about slaves it is about the 2 religions. Christianity allows slaves too, how many did moses have etc etc. I don't want to go into detail however it is very unfair and to be frank, racist. I have had what, like 5 non Muslims all attacking Islam, maybe even more and there is only 1 Muslim which is me, backing the case. Out of order from you novice, I expected better
Please stop leaving useless and meaningless comments in my debate. Thanks
Yes, I agree with that. But if we are playing that game then I will play it. US and UK killing 3 million of my brothers and sisters. Hitler killing 6 million of my fellow humanity. Christchurch, right winged Christian, killing of my brothers in a mosque in new Zealand. Indian authorities killing my brothers and sisters in Kashmir. Israel authorities killing my brothers and sisters in Palestine. The LRA in Uganda, killing many of my fellow humanity. The Crusaders declaring war on Muslims and Jews motivated by Christianity and taking over Jerusalem. Threats posted to Muslim households in the UK threatening to kill Muslims and nuke Mecca on April 3rd. I can go all day. I can play this gutter game all day.
Now you are really ignorant. I cannot debate with you on comments. Lets see what the people think. If you really want to debate then please do, make a debate and I will accept. If not then do not waste my time
I do not divert anything.
With terrorism, I state that there is nothing in the book that supports terrorism, unless you think self defence is terrorism.
With oppression of women, I state there is nothing in the book, that oppresses women.
With Miracles, I say there are miracles in the Quran
With contradictions, I address the contradictions. I am not doing anything here, I am hard to debate because people cannot accept the truth, not because I divert it.
Lol, Khadijah, one of the greatest women who led an army.
Maryam, mother of Jesus, highly respected figure
Aisha, highly respected figure
Paradise is at a mothers feet
Indonesia, the largest Muslim country has had 2 female prime ministers
USA has had 0
But you do you
So women do not have to pay money to the country and that is seen as sexist? Wow, what has the world come to.
Women are exempt of all financial liabilities. Is that sexist? Is that oppressive? If you think that is then wow, go back to school.
You don't like Christianity yet you follow Jesus as God and worship him. Wow, another big claim. Christians will call you a heretic.
Also you do realise that Muslims pay tax as well, Zakat. Who are you to decide if Jizya tax is more or less? Zakat is 2.5% of a mans wealth. The man could have 1 billion in his account, this means 2.5 million will go to charity.
This is the thing Ehyeh. I am going to be really honest with you. Realistically you don't care what I say, if you think what I am saying is bad, then that is your choice. Islam is the most highly converted to religion, women and men are converting and Islam is a low converted back religion.
You do you bro, have a good time in life.
I am not going to respond to any more messages, not because I am scared but because I just cannot be asked talking to someone that always assumes bad about Islam.
In a previous debate, you said I made good points, and now you are opposing those points. So have a good day, if you want to debate, then please make the debate, if not then thanks for your time.
What has this got to to with Islam oppressing women? Also the US killed 3 million of my brothers and sisters. So I am going to say it is the US that is to blame, not only for the killing and genocide of 3 million people, but also the killing and genocide of the native Americans, something which the US has not taken blame over. Yet you want to say that my religion supports terrorism, look at your own country first you mong
You know what jizya is? Women don't pay it. Old people do not pay it. Children do not pay it. You know what tax is? Tax is everywhere in every country. Muslims pay zakat which is giving money to charity 2.5% of their wealth each year. And Jizya is tax for non Muslims. And Muslims pay jizya too, if they are called up for the army then Muslims can pay jizya and be exempt from the army. Jizya is fair for everyone.
In Islam we have gender roles. Why can't women talk in church? They have to be silent correct? It says in the Bible. It is called gender roles, maybe look it up. Women have rights and roles. Men have rights and roles. Children too. Nothing not fair about this.
Yet again, you are falling for the same misconceptions. Muslim men are the providers. They are the people that pay everything. They are the people that pay a woman's dowry. You know what that is?
Muslim men are also the people who carry on the religion of Islam for generations. They take their children to the mosque, they are the people who educate their children on Islam.
I never said there were more creators. I said Hindu's worship the different Gods like they are the creator. Plus Hinduism is not a religion where you have to do certain things and you get paradise and if you do not then you get hell. Hinduism is like Buddhism, it is an ideology, a more philosophical faith rather than a spiritual faith. After you die, depending on karma, you get turned into a different being. It is a little confusing however as I said, Hinduism is a different matter
First of all because you both think the same about this issue
Secondly, your answer is at the bottom
All the million of Gods in Hinduism are worshipped. Worshipped to the point of that they created the person worshipping. This is not right, Hinduism is another matter, a polytheistic religion makes no sense. There can only be 1 creator.
1 creator who is independent
1 creator who has no beginning
1 creator who is self sufficient
1 creator who is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, etc etc.
You can believe in what you want to believe, but there can only be 1 truth. And that 1 truth will come in the hereafter
Hinduism is another matter. Brahman is a God but there are millions of other Gods as well, for different purposes, much like the roman or Greek Gods etc. Plus Hinduism is a polytheistic religion, Christianity is claiming to be mono however it is clearly not. But then again, this is a difference of opinion. Nothing that I can say will change yours or Ehyeh's mind. Ehyeh believes in Jesus being God yet is not Christian, not much sense in that.
You clearly are misunderstood about how Islam teaches to respect women. Let me enlighten you.
The reason why I brought the US into it, was because I thought this was a terrorism debate, it is not, yet my point still stands.
The point I was trying to make, you have to look at the scripture to judge what Islam actually teaches. I could be a firm believer and a few other people as well could be believers of Buddhism. I could disrespect my wife and hit her, and then blame the religion. This causes a domino effect on the rest of the people including the unbelievers pf Buddhism. They will all believe that hitting women is advocated in Islam. Both you 2 and people that hit wives think the same. That Islam is the reason for it, when that is clearly not the case.
Islam dominated countries so women are mistreated because of Islam? How did you reach that conclusion? The religion itself does not teach to mistreat women, it is the men who have a brain, who have the ability to know right and wrong, and pick wrong. Muslim men honour women for example, Islam teaches that paradise is under your mothers feet. Women are entitled to work, to vote, to be educated, to divorce, for a dowry which I doubt you know what it is, inheritance rights, exempt from all financial liabilities and many more rights. Is this the religion of Islam teaching Muslim men that you should be hitting and disgracing women? Or is it that the men of these times take matters into their own hands and choose their free will over the righteous actions. You do realise that there are domestic abuse cases in the US, the UK, all of Europe, all of Africa etc. It is not mutually exclusive to Muslim countries. Even the Bible teaches women should be silent in church, but no one speaks about that because Christianity has changed to become more integrative for this society. Yet when this society changes to a different one, Christianity will change again, making the religion weak and the people that change the religion want people to accept them so they change the laws. This is what you want?
Then we can move onto the striking. Muslims cannot cause pain to the woman, Muslims cannot leave a mark, so how are they supposed to strike the women till bleeding? This does not make sense. So think about what I said and take it in. Muslims are not allowed to hit women. Why do some do it anyway? Because they have a brain and know between right and wrong, and pick wrong. Nothing new here.
Then we can move onto child marriage. Prohibited. Muslims cannot marry children. The reason why the Prophet married a 9 year old is because Allah commanded him to. Read more about the marriage on this- https://www.islamicfinder.org/knowledge/biography/story-of-aisha-bint-abi-bakr/
Then we move to polygamy. Men are told to marry up to 4 wives and if they cannot provide for all the wives then only marry 1. Women cannot marry more than 1 husband because first of all, DNA testing. I have said this so many times to Ehyeh. DNA testing was not discovered for 1400 years. Why would Muslims change the religion of Islam now that DNA testing is discovered? Changing a religion to meet societal standards is weak. Then another reason is the women will have sex with more than 1 man. Increased chance of STD's. Increased chance of abuse. Increased chance of fights, arguments and stress. Increased chance of depression. The women would get tired, looking after kids with different fathers.
https://www.dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6167- Answer to the Muslim man marrying Christian or Jew women, and not the other way round.
A dream is completely different to life. Jesus existed in life however he had no divinity on his own, only with the help of his father and he was 100% human. Never encouraged people to worship him etc
You should have included that quote in the debate. Never mind, still would not have saved you. The reason being is the context. Context has intellectually disabled the point you are trying to make. One word. Warfare. Another 3 words. Holy War criteria. Last two words. Try again
I thought this was a terrorism debate but My point still stands. Its the people not the religion
How could you disagree by stating what you saw in Iraq is the reason why Islam does not advocate terrorism. Don't you think its the people not the religion? Plus the US killed 3 million of my fellow Muslims for no reason. I also see the US the same as you see Muslims. There was also the genocide of native Americans as well.
Yes it is. Nowhere in the Quran does it say to massacre innocent people. It is also why I won the debate against you about terrorism
Full forfeit
Omg, yes it means infinite power.
Omnipotent, means infinite power
Meaning, there is no one more powerful than God
Lets just say a raindrop is God. This is believed by Ehyeh. a raindrop is a small aspect of God. First of all, that raindrop would have to have Gods qualities such as omnipotence and omniscience, but it doesn't because the main God which is not in the universe has got these qualities. 2 entities cannot have these qualities. If God who is not in this universe has these qualities then nothing else can have them. It is so simple
This is just not possible and cannot work. Power is nothing to do with typing. Bad example. Infinite power in other terms means more power than anything else. If something has more power than another thing, that another thing cannot be the most powerful.
I just cannot believe why people are not understanding this. Basic, basic understanding.
Do you not understand?
I agree, being omnipotent means to have infinite power. 2 entities cannot have infinite power. So God needs to have the most power, no one can have more power than Him. This is what it means if you break it down. Now, there cannot be 1 aspect of him which is not omnipotent. If 1 aspect is not omnipotent, then something would be more powerful than that 1 aspect. This contradicts Gods omnipotence so that 1 aspect cannot be omnipotent. This is basic logic,
All the aspects of God need to be omnipotent, and the ones that are not, are not God. This is basic logic,
I do not mix up omnipotence with omniscience etc. I know the difference. But omnipotence is just 1 example. I could apply what I just said in my last paragraph with omniscience as well, however omnipotence is the more used term. You are the one contradicting things. So simple to understand yet they are 'deaf dumb and blind' to understand
It does not matter about the substance of the shapes, matters about the shapes themselves. If I slice a person in half, the top of the head would be the beginning, and the bottom of the belly would be the end. Then we move on to the other shape. The top of the pelvis would be the beginning and the bottom of the feet would be the end. Or vice versa. It does not matter about the substance, the shape itself
God is infinite. But not in his creation. The reason being is it would contradict his other attributes. If God is all powerful, He cannot be in his own creation. Therefore, if he is not in his own creation, he has to be outside his creation. We believe that God is closer to us than our jugular vein in spirituality. However as you are talking about a physical aspect of God, this is not supported
Not necessarily. If God has infinite power, He is the only one that has that power. 2 entities cannot have infinite power as one has to have more than the other, basic logic. Now if an entity has infinite power, it has more than anyone else. Thus being the most powerful. Thus if 1 aspect is not the most powerful, then that 1 aspect is God because then there would be something more powerful than that 1 aspect. Again, basic logic
What? That just supports my point, If God is not omnipotent in 1 aspect, then that 1 aspect is not God. Because there is something that is more powerful than that 1 aspect. it is just basic english
God is not omnipresent. I do not believe that. So it is not a fact of dodging a question, it is a fact of you being too ignorant of looking at my answers and interpreting that Rayhan does not believe that God is omnipresent
However you have just contradicted yourself with the paint analogy. Lets say the paint and the floor were made from the same materials. 1 primary materiel with the rest being secondary and changeable. If the paint is then spilled on the floor, you can basically say according to your logic that the paint is falling on the paint and it is not a boundary. I will give an example on your perspective of God. God is a chair and God is the floor. Both chair and floor are made from 100% wood or 99% wood. You can then say that the chair and the floor have no boundary as they are both the same. So the chair is God and floor is God. There is no valuation of God here
also can you write your comments in 1 comment pls, it is kinda hard if I send a message and you send another 1. just make all your points in one comment
Of course every aspect of God has to be all powerful. If one aspect of God is not all powerful, then it is weak. And if it is weak, then it is not God as God is all powerful. It his God's nature to be all powerful however you do not think like this
So there is a whole, lets assume it is a block of cheese. I half the block of cheese, cook a half and eat it and poo it out. The block of cheese is in the sewage system. The block of cheese has decomposed and has now become my poo. Does that block of cheese in the sewage system still have the same attributes, properties, smell, taste as the one in the fridge?
If you both believe that God is everything,
If God is a droplet of water, if God is a grain of sand, and there are billions and trillions and more and if God is a star and there are billions of stars and if God is a person, there are billions of people etc etc. This basically means that God is split into parts. Illogical. The reason why is very very simple. It would mean that God had a beginning. If God is infinite, and you break God into parts, then each part has a beginning and an end to the next part. And of course you guys both believe that God has no beginning and no end.
If God is a droplet of water, if God is a grain of sand, how do we know if that is God? By this I mean what attributes is God like that the grain of sand has? Is the grain of sand omnipotent? If God is all powerful, there cannot be something more powerful than Him. So a grain of sand is not all powerful, which means it is not God. Basic.
You believe what you want to believe but don't say I did not warn you.
I am not as intellectual as you so many of these big words you are presenting are not in my vocab.
Realistically, if I am hurting myself, am I hurting myself or am I hurting God?
No. He used his will to make the materiel. Not pieces of him. This is illogical, because if God is infinite, there cannot be pieces of him. This would make him finite. For example, reduce his power. And you may say, He is God, he does whatever he wants. He does stuff that befits his attributes. If he makes himself weaker and he is omnipotent then that is going against his attributes. Illogical
It is not a threat, a warning.
If I kill myself, am I killing God? If I kill people, am I killing God? This is wrong according to the Bible. If I spit a chewing gum out, am I spitting out God? This entire philosophy is just abnormal
There is no material to make things out of. He created the materiel to make it. It never existed and then it did. Because He is that independent entity that created it.
Yup, the Quran also states the universe is expanding.
If i stab someone, am I using God to stab someone, or is God killing someone ?
What's your POV on Ehyeh's reasoning that God is me and God is everything?
This is too absurd. You think that God is me? Let us just see what you think on the day of judgement.
I do not get this. The universe had a beginning. That is my point
So again, if you dont know what is good and bad. Is rape good or bad? And if you do not want to label it, then you automatically are disagreeing with nearly everyone on the planet.
Then we can do this. Is God a knife? I can use that knife to stab someone. Is it me that killed a person, or God?
Lets just assume that God is also a chocolate. I am going to eat the chocolate, does that mean I am eating God? Lets also assume that God is a toilet, am I going to do my waste in God? Lets also assume that God is my bed, am I going to sleep on God? Lets also assume that God is a punch bag, am I punching God?
So God is also a toilet? God is in a rubbish bin? God is in someone's chimney? Do you really believe that?
Secondly, the universe has not always been here, there is a beginning. Most scientists agree on this that 13.4 billion years ago, the big bang occurred etc. Now the universe relies on time and space, it is a dependant entity. A dependant entity cannot always have been here, it needed to have been created. The reason for this is very simple. Something that relies on something else, must have to be created by something or it will be an infinite regress. And this is impossible. It is also a cause and effect. Something has to make the small matter explode in the big bang, it won't do it itself with no outside influence
Thirdly, just because the Bible says it, does not mean it is true. Where is the evidence for that? Is the Bible reliable? Who are the authors of the 4 gospels that said this?
God is not created. God has always been there, I am sure you believe this too as you are Christian. But since Jesus had a beginning, he was born and came out of a womb, he was created. I do agree that atheism is just a lack of belief though. Whatever atheists say, it is wrong, the only possible solution for the creation of the universe is God. No one can differ
No because that would show his weakness. It would make him weaker because God would then be restricted in doing certain things. Yes Jesus did miracles, but only with the father helping him, he does not do them without the father. Jesus relies on the father for his existence, not the other way round. It is like saying can God make himself into a toilet. This is not God like, it goes against his attributes, but as you said, God must be all things. Can God be waste? Of course not
Can a human be a part of God with a humans attributes?