I mean the ignorance of yourself is not a good virtue.
I have answered Surah 9:5 already
And also 9:73
I have stated that whenever Muslims are commanded to go to war, there is always a case of self defence. A Muslim is only allowed to go to war if the enemy attacks first. In fact, you won't find a single war verse in the Quran that states to go to war and kill innocent people. Every single war verse is also accompanied by a case of self defence. For example, Surah 9:5 talks about if the enemy violates the peace treaty and they attack you.
You are either new to this site or think you are the main character. Grow up, no one gives a toss what you say, stop wasting your own time typing all of that crap and do something productive, go on a walk, talk to your parents etc.
I don't get emotional and outraged unless one falsifies my religion. Otherwise, if you're telling me I'll get outraged, chances are, I probably won't.
I can't wait for your arguments
Name a terrorist attack that Muslims have committed that exceeds the amount of people affect that the US have committed.
Even if groups like ISIS are still around, they are not following Islam. They are killing innocents, this is not the teachings of Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion, that does not advocate terrorism. How can you reply to me, a non Muslim, by saying Islam promotes terrorism? Where is the proof? Where is the Quranic verses and Hadith's that consider to kill and fight INNOCENT people and spread terror to INNOCENT people? There is no such thing, get out
Also your claim is false. the usa killed 3 million people in Iraq, a genocide of the native Americans, this is the largest terrorist attack organisation, secular democracies
First of all, you are the one who messaged me to say if you want to debate. You asked me for key terms and I gave them. You rejected them. I rejected yours. We needed to come to common ground, however you did not want that. Now you are lying about Allah being a deciever because it is a matter of translation, I am sure you have been watching too much videos on this. It is helper, not deciever.
Secondly, I accepted but on my terms which you rejected
Thirdly, I never disrespected anyone and I said this in the dm, I only asked why did you leave Islam. I gave you a statement, you left because it is to do with emotion rather than logic. And you said logic? What logic? All you needed to do is tell me why you left Islam or you could have said save it for the debate. But you gave an ambiguous answer.
Fourthly, the original Quran is still the Quran we have today, Birmingham manuscripts have been carbon dated back to the time of the Prophet, and it is all there in black and white. The evidence is there, but you choose to accept it not.
I just wanted to state my opinion. Plus I want you to realise that every single question I have asked has had no response by you. But I will still end up losing because it is what it is.
So you are debating against what you are debating for? That makes no sense, throughout this entire debate you have just talked about Islam. Nothing about Christianity. When I asked you about Christianity, you kept on talking about Islam. You claim its some kind of horrific religion when there are non-Muslims saying it is peaceful. It's only you and a handful of people that say Islam is a violent religion because you don't understand it.
And the best part of this debate is, no one cares about my views. I just see Christians and atheists etc commenting on Islam, rather than Christianity. It is evident that I have won the debate, people like Barney who apparently served in Iraq and other non Muslims will always vote against Islam because they see it as some kind of threat to the western world. But the Muslim empire gave so much to the western world, no one cares.
This debate thing is just a side hobby, I don't care about the outcome. I think this is pretty obvious because I have debated people who I have lost against. Unfairly, but still.
The reason why I am highlighting these flaws in the voting and juridical system of this website, is no matter the outcome, Islam will always lose. Which I find canny because it will be the non-Muslims who are the losers. But enough of that.
I am sure you think that you won this debate. As do I. Every voter thinks I have won it. However you will end up winning. It goes back to the bs of this entire thing, it's a shambles
One thing I have realised on this site, is everyone leaves comments challenging Islam, but none whatsoever challenging Christianity. Your recent round, RationalMadman, was very poor, you gave new points and they don't have any backing, but you will still win this round as well because of the bias against Islam
What are you talking about? Everyone has a right to decide their own religion, I am debating and so is Con. Islam is not a business that has a USP to tell people that it is the right religion. It is all over the religion, peace embodies Islam, not the other way round.
The Catch 22 is a weird thing to establish, because I have already done so. I said forcing others into Islam is a sin anyway, so they are not a good Muslim by sinning violently, and not a good Muslim forcing people to the religion. Its a lose-lose.
Quran has never been changed
There are no contradictons in the Quran
No errors or copious errors in the Quran, Please send the exact link that novice guy sent in our debate, it is false
The Quran could not be written by anything other than God
Side Note:
Make a debate, I will accept.
If you think you know better than a Muslim, go for it.
Make the debate.
Make it 1 week writing
1 month voting
30,000 characters.
To the max.
Glad you have more misconceptions let me answer them for you.
1. Backbone verse
Does not say that semen/sperm comes from the backbone. It is gushing water. Only 2-5% of the fluid are actually semen. The rest is a mix of different things, comes from the seminal gland etc etc. Plus, ribs is not the correct translated word. It is actually loins.
2. Flat Earth
[79:30] He made the earth egg-shaped.
[Q39:5] He created the heavens and the earth truthfully. He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night.*- Meaning it is not flat.
Plus the verse that you mentioned 88:20, means the earth is spread out, not flat. The earth is not flat.
3. Seven Earths
Different opinions on this verse as it is only mentioned once.
https://quran.com/en/at-talaq/12
That is the verse and it says 'layers;. So it may be referring to the different layers of earth like the heavens. And scientifically, there are 7 layers. However as it is only mentioned once, there is not enough information.
4. Sun and Moon chasing each other
Where does it say the sun and moon chase each other around the earth? But offensive for you to even say this. 'Each is travelling in an orbit of their own.' 36:40
5. Human embryos
The word 'alaqa' is also defined as a leech like substance. This is also true according to science.
6. Sky would fall
What is the contradiction here?
7. Stars being missiles
Untrue. Stars keep the devil/s away.
I have to pray now, let me know if you have any more misconceptions for me to answer. Have a great day
But surely that is just disrespectful. I know he said he stopped, and I appreciate that, however I think a rule should be made that anyone who disrespects a religion must have some sort of suspended account for like a week. And you may call me soft and a 'Karen' but it is a real issue that can lead to some sort of offense, and the offender may incorporate some racism in it as well. I am not saying just for best Korea, but for all that disrespect someone's faith. It is a debating website after all, not an insults one.
'Thank you for the noteworthy improvement. As Allah is not a member of this site, he or she has no protection from insults or otherwise.'
That was a response to this,
'I have every right to insult your p** Allah. You may say that Allah is a nice p**, but I dont believe it. Being a child of muslim parents, I know how horrible muslims are by direct experience.'
'I have every right to insult your p** Allah. You may say that Allah is a nice p**, but I dont believe it. Being a child of muslim parents, I know how horrible muslims are by direct experience.'
'Please refrain from accusing fellow debaters of being suicide risks. Likewise please refrain from accusing fellow debaters of targeting children.
This is not to say you must get along, merely that there are some very minimal etiquette expectations.
The Code of Conduct may be found at: https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/rules
-Barney, assistant moderator'
Really? Is that all he gets? He has said every insult on the planet to me and the other 1.8 billion Muslims, plus insulted my religion to the point of no return, saying he wants to destroy Islam (which is ironic considering he said Islam is a terrorist religion), then proceeds to call me a 60 year old gay, and then lies and defames me, my religion, my community etc. And all he gets is a 'please refrain'? If I call someone the N word 10 times, I will surely get banned. However this guy has called me every name in the book, and gets a please?
Sexism is not always bad, I do agree with that. It is just the act of treating the genders unequally. Both are not treated equal however have their own set of rights. This is a response to VeryConfused.
Now lets move onto RationalMadman. Your point has been answered above. Have a great day. Time is ticking mate, 40 years left, that is only if you die of natural causes :)
Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.
You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.
Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent
Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.
You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.
Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent
I would love to debate you on this topic too. Would you be down?
Let's have a debate
Islam vs Christianity
You down?
You too!
I said it is not to do with Islam. It is a secular attack. Where is the proof it is because Islam advocates it?
I am ashamed to inform you that Hindu's are killing and torturing Muslims in India.
This has nothing to do with a religion advocating terrorism. This is a secular attack
I mean the ignorance of yourself is not a good virtue.
I have answered Surah 9:5 already
And also 9:73
I have stated that whenever Muslims are commanded to go to war, there is always a case of self defence. A Muslim is only allowed to go to war if the enemy attacks first. In fact, you won't find a single war verse in the Quran that states to go to war and kill innocent people. Every single war verse is also accompanied by a case of self defence. For example, Surah 9:5 talks about if the enemy violates the peace treaty and they attack you.
This is basic knowledge.
Yes I know, but it's funny playing with him
1. when they attack you
2. when they attack you
3. when they attack you
4. when they attack you
In fact, every verse that you quoted, is all in self defence, but you never included that part, did you?
XD
Yes, I acknowledge you have a very powerful way with words, maybe save it for a debate. Me and you?
You are either new to this site or think you are the main character. Grow up, no one gives a toss what you say, stop wasting your own time typing all of that crap and do something productive, go on a walk, talk to your parents etc.
Weirdo.
Thank you, appreciate it.
Writing in capital letters does not help your cause. If you really want to comment, challenge me for a debate. If not, good day.
Realistically, I don't need to read that, so you have wasted your time in writing.
Schedule it whenever you would like.
1 week writing
1 month voting
20,000 words
And there is it, the outrage has come out of you. If one is not following Islam, they are not following the Quran also
But you won't get that. Send a debate request to me, if you want to debate on this issue, instead of commenting
I don't get emotional and outraged unless one falsifies my religion. Otherwise, if you're telling me I'll get outraged, chances are, I probably won't.
I can't wait for your arguments
Name a terrorist attack that Muslims have committed that exceeds the amount of people affect that the US have committed.
Even if groups like ISIS are still around, they are not following Islam. They are killing innocents, this is not the teachings of Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion, that does not advocate terrorism. How can you reply to me, a non Muslim, by saying Islam promotes terrorism? Where is the proof? Where is the Quranic verses and Hadith's that consider to kill and fight INNOCENT people and spread terror to INNOCENT people? There is no such thing, get out
Islam does not promote terrorism at all lol.
Also your claim is false. the usa killed 3 million people in Iraq, a genocide of the native Americans, this is the largest terrorist attack organisation, secular democracies
Which physical act of terror does Islam push? Just curious to know
Thanks for voting :)
Kid, you said in dm's you don't want to debate because of 'dawah script', stop it
The debate is complete.
I am predicting what I have preached.
First of all, you are the one who messaged me to say if you want to debate. You asked me for key terms and I gave them. You rejected them. I rejected yours. We needed to come to common ground, however you did not want that. Now you are lying about Allah being a deciever because it is a matter of translation, I am sure you have been watching too much videos on this. It is helper, not deciever.
Secondly, I accepted but on my terms which you rejected
Thirdly, I never disrespected anyone and I said this in the dm, I only asked why did you leave Islam. I gave you a statement, you left because it is to do with emotion rather than logic. And you said logic? What logic? All you needed to do is tell me why you left Islam or you could have said save it for the debate. But you gave an ambiguous answer.
Fourthly, the original Quran is still the Quran we have today, Birmingham manuscripts have been carbon dated back to the time of the Prophet, and it is all there in black and white. The evidence is there, but you choose to accept it not.
You asked me for my age and then attacked me, then blocked me, don't lie
I just wanted to state my opinion. Plus I want you to realise that every single question I have asked has had no response by you. But I will still end up losing because it is what it is.
So you are debating against what you are debating for? That makes no sense, throughout this entire debate you have just talked about Islam. Nothing about Christianity. When I asked you about Christianity, you kept on talking about Islam. You claim its some kind of horrific religion when there are non-Muslims saying it is peaceful. It's only you and a handful of people that say Islam is a violent religion because you don't understand it.
And the best part of this debate is, no one cares about my views. I just see Christians and atheists etc commenting on Islam, rather than Christianity. It is evident that I have won the debate, people like Barney who apparently served in Iraq and other non Muslims will always vote against Islam because they see it as some kind of threat to the western world. But the Muslim empire gave so much to the western world, no one cares.
This debate thing is just a side hobby, I don't care about the outcome. I think this is pretty obvious because I have debated people who I have lost against. Unfairly, but still.
The reason why I am highlighting these flaws in the voting and juridical system of this website, is no matter the outcome, Islam will always lose. Which I find canny because it will be the non-Muslims who are the losers. But enough of that.
I am sure you think that you won this debate. As do I. Every voter thinks I have won it. However you will end up winning. It goes back to the bs of this entire thing, it's a shambles
One thing I have realised on this site, is everyone leaves comments challenging Islam, but none whatsoever challenging Christianity. Your recent round, RationalMadman, was very poor, you gave new points and they don't have any backing, but you will still win this round as well because of the bias against Islam
What are you talking about? Everyone has a right to decide their own religion, I am debating and so is Con. Islam is not a business that has a USP to tell people that it is the right religion. It is all over the religion, peace embodies Islam, not the other way round.
The Catch 22 is a weird thing to establish, because I have already done so. I said forcing others into Islam is a sin anyway, so they are not a good Muslim by sinning violently, and not a good Muslim forcing people to the religion. Its a lose-lose.
all that for nothing
pls vote
Accept the challenge of the debate, make one and I will accept.
Seems like you never read the debate, let me enlighten you. Respond to the offer and make a debate.
Quran has never been changed
There are no contradictons in the Quran
No errors or copious errors in the Quran, Please send the exact link that novice guy sent in our debate, it is false
The Quran could not be written by anything other than God
Side Note:
Make a debate, I will accept.
If you think you know better than a Muslim, go for it.
Make the debate.
Make it 1 week writing
1 month voting
30,000 characters.
To the max.
If you can't or won't, go away
Have I answered your misconceptions?
Don't understand what is so funny. If you have nothing positive to say, don't comment on my debate.
Good day
Do I care?
Yes I understand that when I said this:
From the basic understanding of Atheism, it is pretty obvious that it is just a lack of belief, not an actual belief.
I do admit I said belief in various other quotes so I misunderstood there.
Glad you have more misconceptions let me answer them for you.
1. Backbone verse
Does not say that semen/sperm comes from the backbone. It is gushing water. Only 2-5% of the fluid are actually semen. The rest is a mix of different things, comes from the seminal gland etc etc. Plus, ribs is not the correct translated word. It is actually loins.
2. Flat Earth
[79:30] He made the earth egg-shaped.
[Q39:5] He created the heavens and the earth truthfully. He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night.*- Meaning it is not flat.
Plus the verse that you mentioned 88:20, means the earth is spread out, not flat. The earth is not flat.
3. Seven Earths
Different opinions on this verse as it is only mentioned once.
https://quran.com/en/at-talaq/12
That is the verse and it says 'layers;. So it may be referring to the different layers of earth like the heavens. And scientifically, there are 7 layers. However as it is only mentioned once, there is not enough information.
4. Sun and Moon chasing each other
Where does it say the sun and moon chase each other around the earth? But offensive for you to even say this. 'Each is travelling in an orbit of their own.' 36:40
5. Human embryos
The word 'alaqa' is also defined as a leech like substance. This is also true according to science.
6. Sky would fall
What is the contradiction here?
7. Stars being missiles
Untrue. Stars keep the devil/s away.
I have to pray now, let me know if you have any more misconceptions for me to answer. Have a great day
Glad to help.
It says 41:11- 'Then He turned towards the heaven'
This means that the universe was already there. Good try, misconception however
Description has been updated.
Which one is the right belief, Islam or atheism. That is the basis of this debate
But surely that is just disrespectful. I know he said he stopped, and I appreciate that, however I think a rule should be made that anyone who disrespects a religion must have some sort of suspended account for like a week. And you may call me soft and a 'Karen' but it is a real issue that can lead to some sort of offense, and the offender may incorporate some racism in it as well. I am not saying just for best Korea, but for all that disrespect someone's faith. It is a debating website after all, not an insults one.
'Thank you for the noteworthy improvement. As Allah is not a member of this site, he or she has no protection from insults or otherwise.'
That was a response to this,
'I have every right to insult your p** Allah. You may say that Allah is a nice p**, but I dont believe it. Being a child of muslim parents, I know how horrible muslims are by direct experience.'
'I have every right to insult your p** Allah. You may say that Allah is a nice p**, but I dont believe it. Being a child of muslim parents, I know how horrible muslims are by direct experience.'
You literally said this after you said you won't.
And look at best Korea comments. Nothing will happen though, not even a speaking to, because the Muslim agenda is real
Not really. The trinity is a fundamental faith in Christianity. Apparently, it decides your fate
'Please refrain from accusing fellow debaters of being suicide risks. Likewise please refrain from accusing fellow debaters of targeting children.
This is not to say you must get along, merely that there are some very minimal etiquette expectations.
The Code of Conduct may be found at: https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/rules
-Barney, assistant moderator'
Really? Is that all he gets? He has said every insult on the planet to me and the other 1.8 billion Muslims, plus insulted my religion to the point of no return, saying he wants to destroy Islam (which is ironic considering he said Islam is a terrorist religion), then proceeds to call me a 60 year old gay, and then lies and defames me, my religion, my community etc. And all he gets is a 'please refrain'? If I call someone the N word 10 times, I will surely get banned. However this guy has called me every name in the book, and gets a please?
Sexism is not always bad, I do agree with that. It is just the act of treating the genders unequally. Both are not treated equal however have their own set of rights. This is a response to VeryConfused.
Now lets move onto RationalMadman. Your point has been answered above. Have a great day. Time is ticking mate, 40 years left, that is only if you die of natural causes :)
Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.
You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.
Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent
Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.
You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.
Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent