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@Shila
Take it to AI to deal with his limitations.
I don't deal with AI, at all. It is, after all, artificial. What's so great about that?
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Democrats cave? What's your take on the CR?
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@Shila
A minority party has no say in governing.
Anyone who is elected from a minority party - I take your meaning of that to be neither Democrat nor Republican -  has a say within the body in which they reside, but that may not be a majority voice. That's the breaks in a democratic-republic, which we are in the U.S. We have elements of both. You may not like a democratic-republic, but it's a better government than any other ever instituted by man. Longer enduring, as well. Maybe there's a point to that?
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……2p..…..................................................4…….6.. has three surface LoR's
I could have chosen any one of these fragments; this one will do the job.  Most of us, boyo, [I mean ebuc, but he has blocked me] are not advanced mathematicians, so frankly don't know if this is legit, or bullshyte. Either way, it is excessive premature efactulation, and evidence of singular track mind. Have any other subjects needing clean-up after the exercise? After years of this, it's a little boring.
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@Double_R
if such fraud was actually happening people would be getting arrested.
One is  arrested when the people responsible for receiving the payments every month are actually found. All we know at present is that the money is leaving the treasury to what may be an illegit address that the Treasury doesn't know is fraudulent. When DOGE figures it out, the money will stop, and the people responsible will be held to account. Remember you've had a DOJ for the last 4 years that only weaponized justice. Don't expect this stuff to resolve in the day Rome was built.

Because he's the most pathological liar in the history of American politics. 
More bullshyte. Trump is accused of telling 30,000 lies in his term. Psychology Today published an article some 15 years ago [neaning it's probably worse today] that the average person lies 20 times daily. Over four years, plus leap year, that amounts to about the same number with rounding Trump is merely average, no worse than you or me, and what some call "lies" are not deceptive, the real key to a lie. 

Then it's Congress's job to slash funding, not by executive fiat.
Glad you recognize that. But they manage to keep it up, don't they, because they use all their time trying to be DOJ - investigating.

Why? Until you can figure out that 
You just played the same game, boyo.

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@Shila
the other parties are left out.
How are other parties left out? In very election, I see other partly candidates running  for office, and some even win. I've even vortex for them Ona few occasions, being an Indie. So, what "left out?" Open your eyes. Is it you limiting your own view of the ballot, and its results?
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@FLRW
Stupid Republicans... Stupid Democrats... 
How does creating a new party make 60% of us suddenly smarter? I agree, some Repubs are stupid, and so are some Demos. But all of them? No. And, being an Indie, I do not agree we're all smart, either...
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@Double_R
The arguments I hear over and over are that the democrats are supposed to fight, not lay down. They say the republicans used this CR to make harmful cuts and the democrats gave in to them without anything in return. I have a few problems with this.
The alleged cuts [Medicare, Social Security] are claimed by Democrats, but unsubstantiated by Trump or Musk. They are not cutting into those programs, other than those who are collecting benefits for people who have been dead for years upon years. That's called fraud. Get it? Trump has constantly and consistently said "No cuts.  Why don't you believe it?. They are cutting waste and abuse, such as funding education loans, which individuals have taken out with the assurance they, personally, will pay them back, and now feel [by Biden's promises] they are entitled. Also cutting the nonsenses of USAID payments, like condoms for Gaza? The sexual culture of hookers in Bozoland? 

if the government shuts down my understanding is that this will give Trump full latitude to decide which government programs are essential, basically giving him and Musk free reign to cut whatever they want with no legal recourse. And if the government shuts down how does it reopen? No one seems to know.
The Executive has no power to defund programs that are the territory f the Legislature [Congress] and Judicial [Supreme Court], does he? No, he doesn't. Miss your high school civics classes? Do you know how many times the government t has shutdown over CRs in the past? Too numerous to count. What make3s this one different? And as it happens, Shhoofly caved on his threat to shutdown on Friday last, so it isn't happening, anyway.

the politics of this would be terrible for the democrats. They do not get to claim the republicans shut the government down when they are literally the ones who voted against keeping the government open. They will get blamed for the shut down. And at a time where Trump and the damage he is causing is making headlines everywhere, this is the perfect opening republicans need to blame the democrats for Trump's failings.
What damage is Trump actually causing? Show me. The say-so is not sufficient for further response.


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So you want to ban me?
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@Vader
Nope, I noted in post #75 that no date of BK's ban was noted by Vader, but it's there, I just skipped it.  3/16, 18:15. Sorry, Vader
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So you want to ban me?
It appears on BK's profile that the ban was self-requested, not imposed, and this is conformed by the Moderator, Vader, in his post #62, but no date is provided. BK was still posting as of yesterday [3/16].  But BK's last post [#30] is incorrect, at least in the U.S., which has variable age of consent laws in each state, at least for sexual activity, and it ranges from 16 to 18 by State per https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age-consent-united-states-map/, as of 2016 [may have changed since then]. This would imply that under the age of consent, a minor child cannot offer consent of his or her own discretion. And I advised him in the string which he claims in this string to have been the string causing his ban [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12464-children-can-consent  - post #3 of this string]  that the definition of "consent" is not clearly understood by him. I provided him with the definition as given by the OED, what iris, and what it isn't, and both need consideration.

Accordong to The  Law Dictionary, the defininion of consent is; "consent
1) n. a voluntary agreement to another's proposition. 2) v. to voluntarily agree to an act or proposal of another, which may range from contracts to sexual relations.

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How can a man know if he is rapist? Are all men rapists?
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@Best.Korea
How can a man know if he is rapist?
There is the flaw in your entire argument. You being indoctrinated by a personal opinion, and fail to support its claim. You answer is: No, not all men are rapists anymore than all women are liars; either one lying to themselves about about consent of another, either before or after a sexual union. First of all, most level-headed psychiatrists who have a head screwed on that actually has a  functioning brain conclude that rape is not sex, regardless of the functional tissues involved. Do not consider the act as having any relation, mentally, with your undefined words.
Your denial of dictionary definition is incorrect, at least in English: You ignore the OED [Oxford English Dictionary, unabridged], which definition does stipulate that the subject is not exclusively sexual. According to the OED, "consent" is  voluntary and informed agreement, is positive and enthusiastic, is specific, but can be withdrawn at any time, is absent of coercion or force, and there must be capacity of consent by legal age, and of sound mind. What consent is not is violence or merely lack of resistance,  involve intoxication or unconsciousness,  being under aged, or is obtained by force, threat, or manipulation.
Therefore, if a man, or a woman [because they, too, can violate consent, or its absence, of a man] ignores the lack of consent and proceeds to attack, they ignore the negation of consent by those definitions, or agreement to consent should those latter factors be in effect. Either, or, my friend. There is no mysterious middle-ground that can be questioned. Therefore, no, all men are not rapists, and not any more than all women are.
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This discussion is useless mostly because terms have not been well defined.
What is rape?
What us sex?
What is consent?
The definitions vary, and until we can agree on them, the matter is useless to discuss because the definitions vary as widely aaa there are X numbers of us. 
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It is impossible to believe in one God or consider God as the only source of truth.
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@Stephen
auxlaw wrote: Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.
And? Your point?

"Boyo"?  That's a Welsh term.  Scottish equivalent being - Laddie. 
And? Your point? My ancestry left France in the 11th century, settling in Scotland, but then spent the next 500 years in Britain. Just in my generation, I've lived across a greater expanse of the U.S., and in 30 separate countries on four continents than the distance between Scotland and Wales.
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@Stephen
And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language:  Hebrew.
Your memory serves poorly. I am not Jewish, and not a Rabbi, and Hebrew is not my first language. Don't know where you get that, but it was not from me, boyo.
I am an American of European heritage [Scotland and France], with an American ancestry back to 1625, and English is my mother tongue. I am fluent in English, French, Italian, and  Egyptian hieroglyphs, with a  good understanding of Greek, and a fair understanding of Hebrew. but not totally  fluent in either. 
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@Shila
that is was God raised Jesus from the dead.

Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, 
God, who? As Shila says, there is a Trinity., and I'll buy Shila's suggestion that all three participated in Christ's resurrection, not God, the Father, alone, as has been alleged, even by y'all, ad others, until now. 

I've read the Bible in English, French, Greek and Italian, Stephen, who still has me blocked from his own hang-up with me  from three yeas ago.  Bitter, still? Then stop posting to me.

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He resurrected Jesus and took him to heaven.
Show me. Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection. People have this notion that nothing happens but that God made out happen. I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages.  Words mean things, but not those that people insert or delete on their own. I read Genesis that God gave people free agency - to act if their own volition, and that gave gave us dominion. I read Matthew 28: 18, that HJesus, himself, said, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. He gave his own life3; it was not taken fr4om him. He rose in ressur hiection, himself.  If you have something other to demonstrate, I'll gladly read it. 
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I graduated, again
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@WyIted
I would urge people to be me or better yet be the best version of me you can pull off. 

Stay hard
That just results in premature efactulation. Who wants a clone of that?
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I graduated, again
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@Vader
Congrats.
I always find it amusing to  see 20-somethings consider themselves "old." I've been around the sun 75 times - a boomer, and definitely one of the senior members of DART.  I'll offer advice from one of my favorite literary guys; Oscar Wilde. He said, "Be yourself; everyone else is taken."
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@Shila
Even Jesus prayed for God’s intervention.
But God, to my point, did tmot intervene, did he?
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@zedvictor4
the Adam and Eve story, was as much to do with developing social attitudes towards human sexuality,
The Bible is not specific on the point of Adam/Eve sexuality, so don't blithely introduce elements to the story that may have never been there.  What we don't know, we don't know, and it doesn't help to add puzzle prices that may not belong to the puzzle. The entire Eden bit is outside the rest of biblical, and modern society, so we cannot expect it to either explain our society, nor detract from it, by inclusion of Eden. The entirety of the creation story is outside our personal experience, and I see no reason to try to make it either fit into, or explain society today. There simply was no "society," then, so why try to make it so? Their society began with the birth of a first child...  after Eden. There we can start comparisons of "...as much to do with....
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@Shila
Your litany of Trump failures is an indictment against all of us, because all both succeed and fail, right? Those six bankruptcies were their own failures; separate companies. Trump bankrupted them for failures to make a profit. Six of over 350 separate companies under the Trump org umbrella, which are their own entities, not Trump, personally. Get it? That's a success rate of well offer 99%. Would that we all were so personally successful. And paying. hush money to anyone, porn, or not, is not illegal, my friend. Look it up.  It amounts to a legal contract, which the porn lady violated, not Trump.  Get your facts straight, and maybe we'll talk. But, do that, first, at least. 
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@Shila
Jews and Christian’s prayed daily for God to intervene. Muslims pray 5 times daily for God’s guidance.
But is guidance the same thing as intervention? Seems to me, Islam has the better approach, here, at  least by your description.  Why would God need to intervene  to respond to Christians ands Jews [and why do you single out Christians & Jews, who, after all, at least Jews, represent but one of 13 tribes of Israel - and don't all deserve inclusion?] 
Recall that God gave Adam & Eve - and, therefore, all of us - free agency ["... of every tree thou mayest freely eat..."]  and dominion of the Earth.  God has intervened on only a handful of times to us collectively. He would much prefer to guide us individually, and that should be our approach to him.
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@Double_R
Working with Congress is the first step
Not with JoeBiden. A failed presidency. If any of that myth you've described occurred, how did the administration manage to spend $8 trillion dollars from Q3 2021 to end of Q2 2025 [remember, his admin in on the hook until start of Q3 this year]? And we saw last nought how pathetically DEmocratds will work with Trump. Couldn't even applaud the list of ordinary people heroes Trump presented last nights. Woke is dead, and we saw it last night. So, what "work with."


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@zedvictor4
an Interventionist Super-Intelligence 
Given the thousands of years humans have populated Earth, and I don't personally buy the 6,000-year creationiist theory since there are obvious gaps in the Bible chronology, and that over 60% of creation was accomplished before there were 24-hour [approx] days and nights [day 4, when Earth was given a sun and moon to track times and seasons] added to the fact that we have no idea how long Adam and Eve spent in Eden - and I don't buy, either, that it was just a few days]  and the less-than-handful of times since an "interventionist" God put us here, that he has actually intervened, I do buy the evidence, then, that we were given free agency and dominion, as the Bible clearly defines, and that, therefore, he has not intervened but that few times. The constant 'intervention' is a myth.
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@n8nrgim
 And It's not my job to educate you.
Did I ask you? No. I thought you were done with replies. You said as much. So, stop, already. 
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@zedvictor4
So, call on Dad for me and send him over to my place...I assume that he already knows the Address.
Not to be blunt, but there's your apparent, entire problem. Ask him, yourself. That's the entire point of prayer. That is a very personal endeavor, and you're either up to it, or not. "Prove me now herewith..." God asks. [Malachi 3: 10]. He is waiting to flood us with blessings, "such that you shall not have room to receive it." Better to prepare the place so we can retain more. What's more worthless to God than a leaking bucket?
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@Double_R
Clinton worked with Congress to decide where to cut, then worked with the agencies to make it happen.
How does Congress know the details of employment in another branch's agencies; none of whom work for thecongressional branch, do they?

That shows very clearly, that they literally do not know what the people they are firing even do.
Neither, apparently, do the employees. DOGE asked them to justify their employment; to describe their productivity [what the do and how they do it]. That is an ability of its own, to know what and how job performance is conducted, and iight to be knowledgeable to every employee, or they are not worth their income. Period. How do they deserve in income outa of my pocket and yours if they cannot describe their job description and duties?  As you say:

That's just blatant incompetence.
...on the part of the employees, not DOGE.

They have yet to show a single shred of evidence that anything they've cut is because of fraud, 
USAID, just for one example. Condons for Gaza? Really? And that list of frauds just in USAID is legion.  But then I do not depend on Cartoon News Network for my news.
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@Best.Korea
In order to believe, you have to know what you believe in. People cannot know God, thus people cannot believe in God
Belief still imposes no action, regardless of belief. That is my point. 
Knowing God is a very personal experience, which, apparently, you never have. I have to my extremities. Faith, on the other hand, absolutely requires action, or it is not faith, but mere belief, if even that. That is the quintessential difference between belief and faith. They are absolutely not identical. They are, effectively, entirely separate concepts. Worfds may try to make it otherwise, but words have no spiritual or emotional effect, unless written for that purpose.
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@Best.Korea
You cannot believe in God if you yourself arent a God.
Belief, alone, imposes no demand for a person's action, which makes belief "any shyte you want to hear" palatable without necessity of acting on the shyte. So much for belief..
Faith, on the other hand, demands action on the  " ...the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" [Hebrew's 11: 1] Paul is telling us belief is not the partner of faith, but something less than substantial, but more than belief Faith in something demands it be acted on, even if we cannot fully see what the outcome will be. Therefore, while belief in God is certainly a step in the right direction, even for someone who has not seen or heard, or felt him, these are common attributes of faith, even by someone who does not know God, but desires to haves kinship with him. And following their initial encounter, though hoped for, but unseen, that kinship grows, and we begin to understand what he is, how he is, and why he is, even though we are far from his equal.
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@zedvictor4
and the word Christianity is also of Middle English origin.
But, "Jesus Christ" Ιησούς Χριστος - is not 3rd century  M.E., but 1st century Greek, and derived from earlier OT Hebrew, Yeshua, and earlier Greek, χπιω [chrio] meaning  "to anoint," and from Hebrew [Masiah] - Messiah - meaning one who is anointed. Such verbiage was in common use during the Christ's lifetime among his followers and among the Jewish Pharisees, so, your alleged 3rd century jargon is just that. Tells me Constatine's translators in the 3rd century  were trying dictionay-to-dictionary translation, and that never works well, not even now, if the translators are dumb to the historic cultures involved. Dictionaries are piss-poor textbooks on culture.
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@zedvictor4
So context is unachievable unless the Big Guy does a fly by 
Did not read my references, did you? Two whole chapters. Big wow. The two, together, outline exactly how to call on Dad for confirmation of what's what. We don't have to wait for a fly-by.  He already knows the real content and intent of a sincere heart wanting to know stuff we have a hard time figuring out for ourselves, but it takes time to learn how to talk to Dad to convince him to take us seriously in our questions. He doesn't respond much if our approach to him is so-so. He wants a sincere heart, and real intent. That's a little different that just asking the time of day.  He wants effort on our part, and that, consistently. He will not respond to anything less. But if less is replaced by more effort, he will respond by tyke power of the Holy Spirit, and that effect is unmistakable.
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Who is the real tough guy?
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@Greyparrot
We held up this Zelensky guy to be some folk hero
"We," who?" What'shisname, the pic of the guy who is your current avatar? He made this mess, but someone else is cleaning it up. And don'r give me some telephone transcript, and an explanation from a keystone cop who couldn't keep his willy out of a Chinese spy, and an aborted Impeachment for his momma, Madam Pelostomy.
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@zedvictor4
So clearly made up later by Europeans.
Nope. Constantine and his cadre of "translators," whose skill with ancient Greek and Hebrew cultures, and only secondarily with their languages [because the former creates the latter, not the other way around] has been suspect then and now, and they were hardly European. Go East, young man. And South. let alone their knowledge of Latin by conquest; their conquest, you will recall, let alone the Roman conquest of Europe, which it still is, by the way.
Net result, we have a Bible today that is a man-made choice of books, and rejection of others, on the basis of... [we don't really know, given that Constantine, then, was, perhaps a brand of Christianity of his own making just to put to rest the conflict within his own empire - and, therefore, perhaps for purposes of his own success as an emperor - not the best motive in the world to create a handbook.
I sound like I think the Bible is a pile of fluff. I don't, and Malichi, and James, give us reason to hope there is a method to employ to find the Truth, capital T. I mean by that, Truth as God understands and uses it and dispenses it to man. Tenth chapter of Malachi; 5th chapter of James. All of both, not selected verses. Context is king, along with a lot of reading, pondering, and prayer. Belittle it, if y'all will, but it is the path to understanding more than any magic anyone else would conjure.

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@zedvictor4
Can you clarify what you mean by "productivity"?
I mean being able to not only contribute to individual production of a product or service, but also calculate its worth to the bottom line of your own, or another's enterprise. It means being able to see the worthlessness of another doing that for you: a union rep, for example. Who needs a union rep when. one can do that for themself, because one should know how to do that calculation and send a union rep packing as worthless dross.
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@badger
Horse shit, the lot of it. 
Typical reaction of jealousy for not figuring out, yet, the acquisition of personal wealth. I've been buying gold and silver since the 70s, boyo, when you were... what?   Shortly after that, my first house, which I still owned, mortgage-free and rented out until a year ago when it sold for more than 1500% of original value in Silicon Valley, with which I  purchased two rental houses, and paid-off my current house in the Rockies. I've earned my pomposity, boyo. You? By the way, thought you'd sworn off reply to me. Can't keep your own promises? Typical.
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@n8nrgim
Youre missing the points. 
Your "points" are nothing but personal opinion repeated from personal opinion from TV whacko "news" elites who never justify any of their "points" by reference to anything of scholastic credibility. You don't, either. Justify something, or go to another subject, because you clearly have not sufficiently researched this one with any credibility. Show me, or go home, and take your flat ball with you. I will not play.
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@Shila
how God works for you.
It may partially be because I don't complain because bad things happen to good people. That is basically a claim that God controls everything, while I believe, since we were given dominion of the Earth in Eden, and by virtue of our being descendants of Adam & Eve, to whom that gift was given - and which we use poorly - I think the cause of those bad things happening to all of us, at one time or another, has nothing to do with God's working, but with ourselves and our bad choices, because none of us is perfect, yet.
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@zedvictor4
Ego and inevitable resentment.
Looks like you argued ego to me as being a factor of intellect, but my cited Melon U study says no; they do not correlate.
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@Shila
Does the number really matter? If it's just one state, and it has been successful inspite of Biden's so-called leadership, then that is worth study and doing likewise.
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@n8nrgim
Your 20% cut is as pulled-out-of-the-butt as Biden did the last four years: picking a target that may cancellationnot have any relation to what is doable, given the waste and fraud going on in government. We need to eliminate3 that waste and fraud, no mater what percentage it represents. Get it? You  know Clinton did much the same thing. What was your beef, then? 
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@Shila
What does it say about American IQ
I don't know. I am not that concerned with the collective "America," nor any other country. I concern me with my own productivity; it's the only one looking out exclusively for me, other than my Lord and Redeemer, and he's not paying me in cash, There are other values to be considered, and his are fine with me because I know they work for me for the benefit of me and mine. Good enough for me, because I am invested in him, first and foremost.
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@badger
You assume my entire life and fortune  is cataloged on Amazon. Assume all you wish - yours is a sum-total wish balloon, and my religion has naught to do with the discussion. I will tell you that inheritance has little to do with my acquired personal worth - such as about 100 lbs of gold - not futures, not shares, but the metal, itself, and silver. And properties. And...  Inheritance amounted to a sum total of about $15,000 from my parents back in a day when the dollar was worth considerably more than what Biden has done with it, because my brothers and I encouraged our parents to use their fortune in retirement to travel and enjoy it rather than give it to us. We've all done well, and that is attributed to the values they taught us. Instead of giving us a fish, dad taught us how to fish. Lt's just say I have multiple revenue streams, not just Amazon, my friend. 
As for Musk, I hear jealousy of wealth. So, what's stopping you? Your mirror? So Musk has access to personal records. So what? What, exactly, are you afraid of, other than your own shadow? 
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@zedvictor4
"When  IQ is normalized in conventional IQ points... 1 IQ point is associated with approximately 1% higher wages, but 6% - 7% higher national productivity."
Seems to dismiss your opinion of higher IQ equalizing with higher self-assessment off of self-worth - i.e., higher ego.  No one can explain, yet, this apparent interrupt in the "{logic" which is apparently not logic, after all.  As my argument is personal productivity, and not necessarily ego, on a national level, the findings are significant, but tru7ly logical, that the more one knows, the more they know how to do their job independently; a decided advantage to the bottom line of a company. Again, a mark of more competent leadership to assure workers know what they are supposed to do, and do it.
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@Best.Korea
Nope. Age, itself has naught to do with  mental or spiritual capacity; age is only a factor of physical capacity, because the human genome suffers deterioration of the DNA helix's telomeres, which protect a younger person's DNA helixes, but telomeres begin fail from prime gae to old age, but that does not necessarily affect a person's mental or spiritual capability. If we were smart, we would seek the means to protect the vitality of telomeres.
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@zedvictor4
Self-respect, first, is the key to personal value of contribution to the bottom line of any entity. Without self-respect, one might as well go direct to the entitlement line, and earn disrespect from everyone else, first and last.
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@Sidewalker
If a person is worthless to the bottom line of any entity, what is their value to its bottom line? They are worthless to themselves, let alone any other entity.
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@Best.Korea
I am more worthy than billions of other people.
Failed justification, and that is what is asked, here. The claim is void of evidence.
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@Best.Korea
truth doesnt exist.
I've been around the sun more times than you, I'll wager - 75 times, and I'll do more than hint. I'll lay it bare for you: Truth exists in more places than you or I have been., or ever will be. Truth fills the universe, but that fact is off-topic to this string. I will remind what it is:

I have reviewed a number of “debates” in which the instigator issues a subject challenge, then proceeds with a fluff R1 that makes no effort to argue any point in support of, or against the Resolution, and then the opponent either forfeits the round, or makes an equally off-topic statement that neither argues for or against the Resolution. 
The debate proceeds through the argument rounds as in R1: nothing for or against the Resolution through the last round. 
This is from post #1. This string is about utter avoidance of support or denial of a Resolution whether true, our not, so your argument does not follow.
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@Best.Korea
It is not possible to lose an argument
It is when that argument is personal attack rather than to the point of the Resolution, for or against. Why do you refuse to acknowledge that? 
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If you cannot justify your personal value to a private industry company or to the government by calculation and description of your personal contribution to the bottom line value  of that entity, then move over, be entitled, and accept your worthlessness, because reality demands it's one or the other.
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Was Marx A Utopian Genius Or An Absolute Buffoon?
Karl Marx never ran a lemonade stand, or he would have understood there's more to a producing business than bourgeois and proletariat [management and direct labor], and would have realized that his brand off economy does not know how to create personal wealth, but everything about spending other peoples' wealth until there is no more. He ignored a n enduring free market economy for one that collapses when other peoples' money is used up.
Christians who think the story of the young wealthy man who asked Jesus how to get to heaven think Christ's advice to him was for all off us: give all your money to the poor. No, that was advice for that young man, because he was jealous of his wealth. There are many wealth people who are charitable to help a person down on their luck, and wants to recover, but do not want to help when an able-bodied potential worker is too lazy for self-sufficiency. The wealthy should remain wealthy to help as many people as they can, while retaining wealth to continue that practice.  Christ was social, not a socialist.
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