When your whole evidence depends on assumption that those people are telling the truth about their mind, then me pointing out that they can lie destroys your entire evidence. So can people lie? Make up your mind. If people cant lie, then everything I say is true. If people can lie, then your whole evidence is based on assumption and blind hope that they told the truth.
We can look at these studies, surveys, interviews with victims, support groups, books written by victims, podcasts hosted by victims, documentaries made by victims, subreddits for victims, interviews with therapists who treat victims, etc. And we can see a consistency in how people express their experiences with rape, unwanted arousal during an assault, and their overall perspective on what happened to them. Yes, people can lie. But it's unlikely to see people lying this consistently in both open and anonymous settings.
Evidence that women don't enjoy rape comes from many many different sources through-out time. The idea is when multiple different sources that exist independent of each-other all display the same conclusions, then it would be irrational to dismiss those conclusions based on the idea that everyone could be lying about the same thing. If we saw a difference between how women reported their experiences with rape when anonymous than when they are identified, you would have an argument, but we don't see a difference in-regard to your claims.
The argument is simple. If you think everything what people say in surveys is true, then it is true that many women are guilty of own rape, many feel that rapist shouldnt be punished, and many have rape fantasies and gain pleasure when being raped. Do you concede to all these?
I believe women are telling truth in-regard to all of the above, including that they found their rape distressing and bad.
Let's break this down:
Guilt: It's common for people who have experienced any kind of trauma (including non-sexual) to experience guilt. There's
survivor guilt, where the victims can feel guilty because for surviving or because they felt they didn't do enough to help other victims. Much of the time, there was nothing the survivors could do to help or to change the outcome in anyway, and the guilt persists despite this knowledge. This is also a common symptom of PTSD.
As the studies show, when women feel guilt regarding their rape, they blame themselves for things like: deciding to go out to the bar with their friends that night, trusting their co-worker to drive them home, being too nice to someone who was making them feel uncomfortable, etc. No where is it reported that the guilt comes from the feeling that they actually enjoyed the experience.
Punishment: As mentioned before, many victims don't wish to pursue prosecution for many reasons: fear they won't be believed, don't want the responsibility of breaking up a person's family, don't wish to relive the experience in court, fear that they will face some sort of retaliation, don't feel they remember enough about the person who raped them to be able to properly identify them, etc.
Fantasies: There's no correlation between people experiencing rape fantasies, and also expressing a desire to be raped in real life. Many may wish to experience a role-play scenario, as they are very common in BDSM circle. But in BDSM circles there is a very strict regard to consent, safety, and boundaries being established before the role-play begins (which would make the experience explicitly not rape). A core component to any fantasy, is the person who is doing the fantasizing is always in control, it's impossible to have a fantasy and not be in control of the fantasy.
Unwanted arousal: Both men and women experience unwanted arousal during rape/assault. Experiencing arousal is not the same as experiencing desire, and it is not always an enjoyable experience. It's a fact that bodies may always respond to certain stimuli, but that response is merely physical.
When her favorite thing to imagine sexually is being raped, one must doubt that she wouldnt want to realize her favorite thing.
In a role-playing scenario (typically where consent, boundaries, and safety are laid out ahead of time), sure. That does not mean she wants it to actually happen in real life. One thing to understand, even when just talking about sex generally in regard to women, is that while most women enjoy sex, they are not ready to have it all of the time. For example, a woman can enjoy having sex with her husband, but her husband randomly forces her into sex, that would still be a traumatizing experience regardless of the fact that she had enjoyed sex with him in the past. Like I mentioned above, one thing all fantasies will always have in common is that the fantasizer is always in control, you take the control away, and it's not the same experience.
They all depend on surveys. You cant read people's minds, thus they are just assumptions.
Your argument falls apart because it relies on you picking and choosing what you believe from these surveys. You believe women when they say they've been raped, when they save they've experienced rape-fantasies, and when they say they've experienced arousal during an assault, but then you stop believing them when they say that they did not find the rape enjoyable. You only believe what suits your narrative.
Arousal and orgasms are both pleasurable.
They are not always pleasurable (sometimes they can even be painful):
