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@cristo71
Uh no, I did not realize that. I had assumed, it seems incorrectly, that Sufis are not very political, and Hamas is nothing if not political. My rudimentary search immediately found that article indicating that Hamas has persecuted Sufis. So, would you say that this article is on the right track?
- This whole thing is a misconception. Sufi masters (REAL Sufis) are themselves the religious leaders of Muslims (Sunnis in particular). Sufism is simply the third dimension of Islam. That is, the beloved Prophet (pbuh) teachings pertaining to the 3 dimensions of body, mind & soul developed into 3 traditions:
• Morality – Fiqh – Islamic Law: teachings pertaining to body, i.e. actions – crystallized into the 4 legal schools of thought (Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii....)
• Rationality – Kalam – Islamic Theology: teachings pertaining to mind, i.e. beliefs & convictions – crystallized into the 3 theological schools of thought (Ashari, Maturidi & Athari)
• Spirituality – Tasawuf – Islamic Mysticism (or Sufism): teachings pertaining to soul, i.e. intentions & emotions – crystallized into a number of mystical schools of thought, including Shadili to which Hamas belongs.
- Sufi masters (REAL ones) are inevitably master jurists & master theologians as well, & generally polymaths in many other fields. Such as Imam Ghazali, Imam Fakhr Razi, Imam Shadili, Imam Suyuti, Imam Sanusi...etc. Imam Razi for instance, wrote encyclopedic works on Jurisprudence, Legal Theory, Theology, Philosophy, Medicine, Physics, Mathematics, Literature, Linguistics, History, even a dictionary... Sufis refers to those in context who adhere to a Sufi school/order. Most "Sufi" gurus are not real Sufis, more like spiritual charlatans who pray on the weak minded to gain wealth. – The great Muslim founders & conquerors were generally Sufis disciples of great Sufi masters, like Saladin founder of the Ayyubi dynasty, Qutuz founder of the Mamluk dynasty, Osman founder of the Ottoman dynasty, Mehmet Fatih the conqueror. – The whole Sufi cucked simps notion is a scam, promoted by the Colonialists because virtually all resistance movements in the Muslim world were led by Sufis.
- More relevant context I may make a post about:
• The Muslim Brotherhood are a political movement established by al-Banna to fight imperialism based on Rashid Reda principle of Nur (light): that is, ignoring differences between Muslims against the common imperial enemy. Initially, all sorts of sects even non-Muslim participated, including Salafis & Shia. However, Shia divorced the movement during the Iraq-Iran war & the Salafis divorced it during the Arab Spring, henceforth becoming the greatest enemy of Gulf states, since it is an existential threat to their regimes. Although this movement was banned among traditional Sunnis in the Arab world, there are exceptions including a few Hamas founders/leaders in alliance with Turkish religious leaders.
• Turkey, or Erdogan & his faction in particular, are also Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi legal school, Maturidi theological school & Naqshabandi mystical Sufi school. Naqshabandis are the inheritors of the Ottomans & the keepers of the beloved Prophet (pbuh)'s mantle & sword, which in Muslim history symbolizes supreme power, or the Caliph (literally meaning successor to the Prophet (pbuh)). Erdogan's faction plays the long game & acts on the principle of : we can't beat them but we can join them while we build alternatives. Reason why Erdogan stayed in power for so long as an ally to the West but also to their enemies, presiding a secular nation but also a religious one, commanding a secular army but also a Muslim one, normalizing with Israel but also with Hamas...etc. – This mode of governance will be adopted by countries like Qatar as well, & recently Syria.
• Saudis & Co are reformist Muslims of the Wahabism sect founded by Ibn Abd-Wahab in the mid-18th century who were funded & armed by the British to kick the Ottomans out of Arabia. They are staunchly opposed to all traditional schools. During the Sahwa period (1990s) they switched to calling themselves Salafis (orthodox) & then the true Sunnis. In a 2016 conference organized by Kadirov & Putin comprising all world Sunni schools (like al-Azhar) declared Wahabism a non-Sunni sect. In fact, Wahabis, albeit claim to be, are not just non-Sunnis, they consider Sunnis (who follow traditional schools) to be innovators & idolaters.
• ISIS, al-Qaeda...etc belong to the Sururi faction of Wahabism who is not loyal to the Saudi regime, as opposed to the Madkhali faction dominant in Saudi & UAE who are 100% loyal to the regime. These may differ in political allegiance but share the same ideology & same Western affinity. Reason why ISIS kills almost exclusively Muslims for US interests & never Israelis, for they deem these idolaters & others People of the Book. We have a famous saying about them "their leaders are funded & their followers are shepherded".
• Iran & Co are reformist revisionist Muslims of the Shia sect, i.e. adopt Wilayat Faqih Shiism of Khomeini. They not only believe in the coming of their last Imam Mehdi (savior of End Times who fights the Jews in the Holy Land to welcome the Messiah Jesus (pbuh)), but also believe a successor must be appointed to actively seek his coming, by political force if necessary. Hence, the Ayatolah.
• Israel & Co are Zionist Jews who believe in actively establishing a Jewish homeland, by political & military force, in their promised land between the rivers with Jerusalem as its capital & home to the Third Temple, for the final goal of welcoming the Mashiach & inhering the earth.
• Iran funds & arms the Resistance despite the ideological rift for 4 reasons: as an overall battle front against the US like a Soviet Cuba south of the US; as a military base bordering its enemy Israel in the region to bridge the vast distance such that Iran can reach Israel whereas Israel can't reach Iran; as a leverage against Saudi/UAE who see the political Islamic movements as an existential threat to their monarchies; & ultimately as a tool to bring about the coming of Mehdi (End Times) by bringing about the the end of Israel.
• Saudi/UAE are ideologically & politically antithetical to the Resistance on a fundamental level. Since they deem Sunnis apostates or idolators (who constitute 90% of Muslims worldwide), they believe the Muslim lands except Arabia occupied land by idolaters. That means they see Israel & Hamas & Taliban & Iran & Turkey..etc equally as occupiers; & that Palestinians or Israelis equally as non-Muslim, except idolaters (Palestinians) are worse than People of the Book (Jews). Hence, Fatwas by their Mufti on the tune of "Muslim Palestinians must leave the Holy Land if they don't feel safe because it's non-Muslim land", "Better to stay a Jew than convert to -traditional- Islam", "You must make prayers against Hamas" "Istanbul has never been liberated by Muslims because Ottomans are idolators" (this extends to Palestine)... Knowing this, ISIS's actions become crystal clear, who even deem it beneficial to unite with Israel & fight the idolators & apostates (Sunnis & Shia).
• The current Arab regimes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, UAE, Lebanon & Asad's Syria are legacy to the Colonial powers & maintained by US. Hence, their interests are tied to US/Israeli interests. Moreover, a successful Hamas means embolden Islamist movements in the region to revolt against these regimes, like what happened in the Arab Spring. Therefore, the Resistance must never be allowed to win in their eyes.
• Turkey's & Qatar's partnership with Hamas revolves mainly around providing political cover & logistic support to Palestine & the Resistance. Such as, international representation, safe haven, travel, facilitating trade between Palestine & the rest of the world, humanitarian aid, study abroad, infrastructure... etc. Post Oct 7, trade between Turkey & Palestine which was done previously through Israel was completely shifted towards direct trade with Palestine through alternate channels, subsequently cutting all relations with Israel.
• Under Turkish stewardship, Turkish backed Syrian Army & allied Idlib factions took over Syria. This for several goals: solve the refugee crisis in Turkey which is the main political contention of Erdogan's opponents (who happen to be funded by USAID...); secure Turkish borders against US-backed Kurds & subsequently subdue them; establish a Turkish friendly bordering state; extend the Blue Ocean plan to the Mediterranean & around Cyprus (for political leverage & oil reserves); open a northern front against Israel under pretext of military alliance with Syria. – In short, eliminate all main points of pressure, internal & external, by the West against Turkey in order to preparedly engage Israel. Albeit long term goals, similar successful strategies have been implemented by Erdogan to take over Karabakh & Libya.
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@cristo71
Do you believe that Hamas fights Israel in a fashion consistent with Allah’s directives? I ask in order to learn both how you believe Hamas wages war and how you believe Allah directs wars to be fought.
- Very well put question. I assume this is a genuine question, so I am gunna answer genuinely. But I will ask you similar questions, how do you believe Israel wages war? Is this consistent with Christian/Western/American... values? Is this morally justifiable according to you?
- Hamas traces its roots to Izzdeen Qassam. Just like Emir Abdelkader in Algeria, Omar Mukhtar in Lybia, Abdelkrim Khattabi in Morocco, or Saladin liberator of Jerusalem before them, Izzdeen Qassam was a Sufi sheikh turned leader of resistance when his country was invaded. He would eventually be killed by the British, but the resistance would continue after him & ultimately grow into what is now called Fasail Muqawama (resistance factions), which consists of 12 factions, among them the military wing of Hamas itself called Kataib Qassam. Hamas, as the de-facto government in Gaza, manages these factions as a state would manage its army. They also manage all other things a normal state would: a police force, public schools, parks, roads, healthcare, energy... etc. – In this context, instead of Hamas I will be referencing Resistance. They are Sunni (traditionalist) Muslims of the Shafii legal school, Ashari theological school & Shadili mystical (Sufi) school. This fact is of utmost relevancy to understand not just their beliefs & actions, but also the overall power dynamics.
- How does the Resistance wage warfare & is it consistent with Islamic Law (Allah's directives)? The conversation boils down to two things: Ismah (Inviolability) & Jihad (literally struggle, but in this context: Just War), in accordance with the traditional schools of Law, namely Shafii.
• Ismah in Islam – Inviolability is the sanctity of the 6 basic rights: faith, life, reason, progeny, property, & honor. The role of the state is in preserving these sacred rights (i.e. state protection & due legal recourse). There are two camps in Sharia on this: that Inviolability is contingent on non-hostility (Hanafi), or that Inviolability is contingent on treaty (Shafii). The Resistance fall under the second affiliation. That is the strict dichotomy of Treat or War: we are in a state of peace in case of treaty –referred to as Abode of Peace, otherwise we are in a state of war –referred to as Abode of War.
• The Abode of Peace is inclusive of the covenant of Faith (millah) for Muslims, & also of Protection (dhimmah), Asylum (istiman), & Treaty (ahd), for non-Muslims citizen, temporary resident, or non-resident respectively. All these groups are Inviolable in Sharia by divine decree. – This abode excludes those whose life is forfeit (transgressors deserving capital punishment), Muslim apostates, political traitors, & Arab polytheists.
• The Abode of War consists of: Combatants (muharib), non-Muslims militarily fit free adult males at war with Muslims, these are non-inviolable in Sharia (meaning, enjoy no state guarantee in sacred rights & no legal recourse). Non-combatants (musalim), non-Muslims non-combatant women, children, elderly, slaves, disabled, insane, peasants, laborers, monks..., these are semi-inviolable (meaning, enjoy no state guarantee in sacred rights but have legal recourse) – However, this excludes any person on the battlefield, tangibly supporting the combatants (through funding for instance), or transgressing against Muslims. & Prisoners of War (asir), non-Muslims captured by Muslims in battle before they convert. These are semi-inviolable.– the Prophet (pbuh) said: "do not kill the women, the children, the elderly. Also the chronically ill, the blind, the monk, and the slave must not be killed, you must not kill a woman or a laborer”…
• Captives in Sharia (POWs) have the right to be accommodated (food, shelter, care), exchanged (against Muslim prisoners), ransomed (by their kin or country), pardoned (mass amnesty for greater peace), released (back to his country), assimilated (into Muslim society) &/or emancipated (as a free citizen) –in this order. This of course entails the prohibition of having sexual intercourse with POWs, regardless whether consensual or coerced, the Sharia penalty of which, if proven, can range between 100 lashes & stoning. "So when you meet the disbelievers in battle, strike their necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later free them either as an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end." (Quran 47:4) "Indeed, the righteous will drink from a cup [of wine] whose mixture is of Kāfūr, [...] And they give food in spite of love for it1 to the needy, the orphan, and the captive" (76:8)
• There is a discretionary principle of reciprocity in Islamic Politics (not a legal issue), but it does not override the Law. For instance, a commander may chose to kill a POWs for being especially cruel or other reasons, like Saladin killing Reginald. To put things in perspective, in a nation state nationals are inviolable whereas non-nationals are non-inviolable. That is, an innocent Iraqi killed, robbed or captured by an American in Iraq has no right in American Law to not be killed, or legal recourse when robbed, or POWs rights whatsoever if captured.
• Jihad – Just War in Sharia relates to both defensive warfare (Jihad Dafa) & offensive warfare (Jihad Talab). Defensive warfare is reflected in two types: Nafeer, when your nation is under attack & sacred rights violated; & Nusra, when another nation is under attack. Nafeer is Just War in Sharia under the conditions: for the cause of Allah, legitimate leadership, martial preparedness (availability of weapons & training...), a ratio of force less than 10 to 1, not ally with a non-Muslim against a Muslim aggressor, & adherence to Sharia commands in warfare conduct (such as not killing non-combatants, treating POW fairly, not burning trees or killing cattle, not mutilating bodies...etc). "Permission to fight back is hereby granted to those being fought, for they have been wronged. And Allah is truly Most Capable of helping them prevail. They are those who have been expelled from their homes for no reason other than proclaiming: “Our Lord is Allah.” Had Allah not repelled the aggression of some people by means of others, destruction would have surely claimed monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which Allah’s Name is often mentioned. Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty." (Quran 22:39)
• All that been said, some of the relevant elements in our context are: Palestinians have been driven out of their homes & villages & put in refugee camps in Gaza under siege; the enemy soldiers are actively killing Palestinians families & destroying their homes; the Resistance has a reasonable level of preparedness in terms of military training & arsenal against the enemy; their sponsors are Muslim & their enemies are not; Israel has no peace treaty with Palestinians except the occasional truce; adult Israelis are in principle combatants due to the conscription law for men & women; most Israelis if not active combatants are tangibly supporting them; Israel holds thousands of Palestinian prisoners; Israelis in the Gaza belt live in the stolen homes & villages of the Gazans...etc. All this is a textbook case of Just War.
• How is the Resistance waging war? – They recaptured the Gaza belt, exchanged fire with the IDF, shot at possible non-combatants at the festival, shot at whoever shot at them anywhere, captured mostly IDF soldiers & a number of civilians for prisoner exchange, protected those captured against heavy Israeli fire under Hannibal directive & died for it, drove some of them back to Gaza for the sole purpose of keeping them safe from Israel (like some elderly people two mothers with their babies & Thai workers), kept the prisoners in safe houses in Gaza & accommodated their needs (food clothes hygiene...etc), assigned females for female POWs needs, protected them with their lives against Israel's constant bombing, grouped them according to family & town so they keep their socialization, afforded them prayer areas & gathering places for entertainment & so on, treated them with dignity, released these prisoners for the exchange in dignified manner & even sent them away with goody bags, kept the dignity of the women POWs, ambushed & killed IDFs in Gaza, fired rockets into Israel, killed informants for Israel, crucified spies for Israel who participated in the death of members, sieged & killed rebels calling for Wahhabism in Gaza, distributed coming aid & punished Israeli backed gangs, set a price limit for goods entering Gaza so people don't get exploited, collaborated with Iran & Hizbllah & Huthis against Israel, put their members through training in matters of Islamic law & morality...etc.
• Most of the above is clearly consistent with Islamic commands, with few cases of contention:
1. The festival shootout: this would be considered a battlefield, therefore no person in the premises is inviolable by Sharia, i.e. enjoys no guaranteed sacred rights nor has legal recourse. The exception is if a non-combatant is there by accident. It is up to the Israelis to protect their own in this case. But we all know Israel shelled the whole thing with helicopters & tanks, & any car that moved, killing many of their own.
2. The captured "civilians". A 'civilian' in the conventional sense (as opposed to military) is not necessarily considered a non-combatant in Sharia. In fact, a civilian can be more dangerous than a military soldier if better armed. By default, any militarily able adult male is considered a combatant unless otherwise the case, like workers or farmers...etc. Also, persons in a battlefield or actively supporting the enemy are not immune to capture in Sharia. In effect, this leaves a handful of captured like children along with the Thai workers to be considered non-combatants. The resistance themselves expressed they had no intent to take them, but they had to lest they be obliterated by the heave Israeli fire.
3. The fired rockets. As stated, Israel in this case is an Abode of War. Therefore, no non-Muslim Israelis are fully inviolable in Sharia. Even the non-combatants are semi-violable, as they only have legal recourse. For instance, as improbable as it is, if a rocket hits & kills a child, the family of the child then have a right to legal recourse against the Resistance, namely the right to demand blood-money in compensation for their loss.
4. Alleged rape. Well, staring is not rape even by Sharia standards. I'am referring to Moran Yanai who wrote: "They held us for 27 hours in a room with a force of soldiers, the elite of Hamas. Then Muhammad came, you don't understand what a beautiful boy. The most beautiful man I've ever seen in Gaza. 24 years old, porcelain face, rosy cheeks, beard, mustache, everything is neat, precise as if, standing like this, sturdy, with fluent Hebrew. So for ten hours I talked to him, tried to reach him." then said: “If a guard stares at you every day for ten minutes, trust me that's rape”. – Truth is, Muslims aren't allowed to touch a woman, let alone have extramarital sex with her.
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@Shila
We are talking about soccer and why the women’s soccer team was banned in a Muslim country.
- Ok. Don't really care.
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@cristo71
- I saw your question, I shall answer it shortly.
It’s odd that he boasts so eagerly on Hamas’ behalf, especially considering this fact:“When Hamas assumed power in 2006, it shut down many Sufi zawiyas (meeting places) on the pretext that they posed a danger to society.”
- You know Hamas are Sufis right? Their spiritual founder Izzdeen Qassam & political founder Ahmad Yasin & the father of its leader Ismail Haniay were Sufi sheikhs of the Shadili order. In fact, one of the conditions to join the Qassam Brigates (military wing of Hamas) is to memorize & recited the daily Shadili prayer book. Although Imam Shadili (founder of the Shadili order) was the spiritual leader of the Mamluk Dynasty, Sufism in the region didn't start with him. Sunni Sufism is as old as Islam, & simply expresses the beloved Prophet (pbuh) teachings on spirituality, as opposed to law or theology. – The article is not wrong about closing some Zawiya, indeed. Ahmadi & Alawi sufis, really?! The sects funded & founded by the Brits? These are fake fronts for foreign agents. Salafi/Wahhabi mosques are also banned by Hamas.
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@Wylted
No obviously not. No fed says the word nigger as much as I do
- Sounds like something a fed would say.
I am blocking you.
- Fair enough. I was half joking tbh. I kinda like you, oh well.
Yes I have called you a retard and a pedophile but AI have never sunk so low as to call you a fed.
- I am offended to be ruled out as a fed. I could be a fed.
Jesus fucking Christ.
- DUDE, aren't you Christian!
You have to be a troll.
- I am here to debate & intellectually eviscerate my opponents. Sometimes trolling does the job.
You can't literally think "well we weren't genocided so that is a victory"It's like somebody losing a football game. "We got some points on the board so really they lost because they didn't shut us out"This level of brainwashing takes serious work
- You have it backwards. First, you kinda backtracking & admitting Israel "won" short of total genocide. Second, mass killing to achieve victory is the standard modus operandi of the West, even against each-other. But that only works when your adversary is actually defeated or surrenders. It worked on Japan in WWII, it didn't work on Russia. A couple hundred thousands civilian deaths compelled Japan to surrender, yet 15 million civilian deaths did not to Russia, & the Soviets won. – Israel may have wiped out 5% of Gaza's population, yet utterly failed to subdue Hamas which is still ruling the strip, their forces growing, & Israel abiding by the prisoner exchange they proposed Oct 8th. Rubble doesn't fight back...
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@Castin
I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.
- So you are an ex-Scientologist apostate? What is that like exactly?
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@WyIted
If I hate them and tell you they won than it really should show you, your level of delusion.
- You still haven't answered my question, are you a fed?
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@WyIted
Israel always works out deals for 2 state solutions that get rejected with pleas of 'from the river to the sea"
- Do you worship Israel or are you just a fed? – I don't care to argue this nonsense. But please do keep up. The narrative has changed. No one is pretending anymore. You don't have to keep pretending either. It's all out in the open. The US & Israel are officially intending to take over Gaza & the West Bank. The Abraham Accords' aim was to sweep the Palestinian statehood under the rug, hence Oct 7. Regardless, this is low IQ caveman thinking & it's cringe. A "deal" is only dictated by the underlined power dynamics. Everything else is nonsense. If Israel & the US win, there would be no Palestinian state, if the Palestinians win there would be no Israeli state –certainly not a sovereign one at the very least.
That's Ukraine not the United states.
- It's a NATO vs Russia war using Ukrainian fodder troops in which they lost a quarter of its territory the size of Britain; & solely because Russia was only interested in annexing Russian-speaking territories from Ukraine. – The US is currently negotiating the peace with Russia, not Ukraine.
Also China? They literally have building collapsing due to poor construction. They have their own brand of electric vehicles which keep catching fire.
- This sounds like a "China fakes everything" bit. LOL! You know 4 in 5 EVs in the world are made in China, 3 of which are Chinese brands, BYD alone makes 2.5x more than Tesla... Have you seen their cars? Tesla & Mercedes are shit in comparison. Check these out: BYD U8 & Huawei M9. You may wanna sit down for this one.
Outside of a few major cities life is like the 17th century or worse and in the cities it's only a select few who live well.
- Dude, this is downright embarrassing. I get the 'Murika! sense of pride, but at some point you just gotta take the L. No city in the US today comes even close to the level of modern infrastructure in the average city in China, let alone places like Shenzhen or Shanghai. – You know the Chinese are among the best engineers & scientists in the US. Guess what, there are like 100x of them IN China...
It's not a nation that's good for much other than providing cheap labor.
- 80s talk. Today, there is virtually no real development metric in which the US surpasses China in absolute terms. China's real industrial output is 3x that of the US, so is its scientific output in STEM fields. That's greater than the difference between the US & Germany. Its agriculture sector is 7x that of the US. That's how small the US is compared to China. Let that sink in. – The US has the Stock exchange, the USD & the Finance industry, all basically pyramid milking schemes. The very small gaps between the countries in the very few niches will inevitably disappear & reverse, like all else.
If you want to buy the hype they make good ships go for it. Certainly we"ll lie to the American public and claim they do here as well when we need Congress to approve budget increases
- More than 1 in 2 ships in the World are made in China... China builds close to 2k ships a year, the US builds 5.
I think the whole world benefits when a nation drops their backwards thinking and starts becoming productive and providing a good life for their citizens.
- Naivety or arrogance? Hmm... My advice, forget other nations & mind yours. & if you really wanna save your country & your race, you should drop all the nonsense labels you been indoctrinated into since you were a baby, paid for & enforced by the state itself, for, DUH!, no other reason then to keep the state in power & keep you down like a slave forever.
That's silly, there was a withdrawal from Afghanistan because we want to become more isolationist. The people we left in charge of the country let the Taliban take over. That didn't happen under US occupation.
- Sure thang bro. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
You are lying about the state of the economy
- I don't lie. You are welcome to check the facts yourself. I know these things are shocking to you, welcome to reality. I am happy to share sources or provide more detail on whatever you feel apprehensive about. – To name a few ongoing mega projects in Afghanistan: the 300km Koshtapa Canal (largest in Asia) ; the 3 million residents New Kabul City ; the 2000km Kafharat Railway ; the $6bn rare earth mineral Mining Project (with China)...etc.
and I think the Taliban are doing some good things like banning baka bazi and the opium production, but the economy was only doing good because of the opium and they aren't intelligent enough to build factories or anything so they won't develop.
- Idk, Afghans built the first industrialized empire, the Mughal Empire. Britain's industrial "revolution" was basically a relocation of British India Co factories (textile, shipbuilding...etc) from the Bengal Bay to the British Isles because they lost a war against the Mughals over refusing to pay fair taxes. Afghans also built the first international observatory, thanks to which Ulug Bey & his student Ali Qujshi developed the astronomical model Copernicus would plagiarize a couple centuries later. – Humans are intelligent beings. Germans were barbarians still 5000 years after Egyptians first built the pyramids, yet once urbanized they were able to build a magnificent nation & great innovations surpassing the pyramids in a few centuries.
We are trying to remove California from America also it's LA that's the shit hole Sandransisco Isn't so bad.
- I thought "DiS nEvweR haPpeNs in ze wESt"... if it happens to some cities, it would happen to all. – I have friends who live in the Bay Area all they want is leave that shithole. San Diego is still nice though. My wife's favorite city.
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@cristo71
@WyIted
That literally doesn't happen in the west.
- Aw! U sho shpeshial! Friend, come on drop the inferiority complex. It's already happening. That's the fate of all empires... yours is beyond decadent. – The median wage in the US today is lower than it was in the 70s. No USD as WRC & you're 80% poorer overnight! Italy's real GDP today is less than what it was 30 years ago. I could keep going... Europe/West was about the poorest region in the world for much of human history, especially the northern & western regions who upgraded from being barbarians barely 5 centuries ago. The last couple centuries are an exception. The Ottoman Empire's income was 5 times that of the richest country in Europe, France, in the 1700s. That's like the difference between the US & South Africa today. Western Europe reached 9th century Abbasid Empire income levels first in the 1900s & only surpassed it for good post-WWII, less than 80 years ago. Your countries only survive with infinite plundering & swindling everyone else. You can't stand on your own. Maybe you should try before it's too late.
It only happens in non white countries and no,
- Bruh! You're going extinct. At your current fertility rate in a 100 years there'll be as many of you as Japs. That's too few. Sad, but true story. Instead of mumbling "Moose limbs" all day like a PTSD patient, get your women out of the workforce & go make some babies. Lots of them. We still like you guys. Shame if you disappear.
Slavic people don't count as white
- I see what you doing... You been to Russia? Better than most Western cities. The difference is, Slavs don't have USD & are doing great, whereas your country will collapse the moment it loses USD as WRC, or any of its 100 other institution built to exploit the world.
Yeah Pakistan is awesome to live in so is Somalia and Iran LOL.
- Sign... Hard cope! Take a tour downtown San Fran. As it happens, these countries have a +3000 years of recorded history. & each gave rise to several great empires lasting centuries before your country even existed. As to Iran today, they have roughly the same income level as Eastern Europe, though boasting a greater industrial output than "powerful" countries like the UK & France. That, despite the US spending hundreds of billion of dollars a year on spreading Wokeness, regime change & bribes under the pretext of "aid" to keep these countries in perpetual instability & war, tied to its interests.
No Indians usually come from India
- r/woosh
They settled India long ago just like whites settled America
- Different meanings of "settled" though...
10 years from now you will be saying the same thing. "Israel is almost over, Just. 2 more weeks"
- Look. It's simple. If, with your full might with full backing of the West, you still can not even overpower a 20k men force with basic artillery, it's time to count your days.
How many decades do you have to repeat this until you learn it's nonsense?
- You see, words mean Jack. Like "we will destroy Khamas completely"... The US itself will not survive, or at least maintain its power, for decades. That's an impossibility.
Seriously if every Christian country has terrible societies like with the Gaza strip or Pakistan or Afghanistan I would just assume it was God punishing me for having the wrong beliefs and then try to get in line with and follow the will of God.
- It's all you. All of it. The reason why Afghanistan, Gaza... are in bad shape is the same reason why most Christian countries outside the West are the shitholest countries in the World, because your Christian countries can only survive by crushing by any means possible any hope of nation building in the world. But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
Here’s a good video from Al Jazeera detailing how Hamas has met many of its objectives:
- Here is one detailing how Israel met their objectives: https://x.com/i/status/1893440345708388372 , & yes, that's an Israeli POW kissing the foreheads of Hamas fighters...
I thought yassine had some good points about it than he just distracts the good points by peppering in ridiculous stuff like something about an 80 year curse or something.
- Indeed it's ridiculous. Tell that to your Jewish overlords, they might just be convinced & let go of those heifers they keeping.
I just couldn't do foreign policy like that. When you are such a superior power than you either destroy the organization so there is no reward or you literally murder the decision makers so that way the individuals who made the decisions can be sent to the eternal fire
- Good to see you back to power dynamics. You're right, the feat of "destroying" is the relevant aspect of this story, such that lack thereof makes you –in your words– NOT a superior power. – 400 billion dollars of military funding, 2 million troops & dozens of empty stockpiles, +1700 sanctions on Russia... just to end with losing a quarter of Ukraine. I wonder how the US will fare against a country like China that produces 400x more military grade ships than the US a year & 15x steel & 30x concrete...
I try to learn something new wherever possible. For example, I learned that one of Hamas’ realized objectives was to interfere with or foil the Abraham Accords.
- Indeed, successfully. Now even the UAE is calling for a Palestinian state as declared by Ben Zayd just recently. Israelis, or rather Netanyahu's regime, grew complicit thinking signing the Abraham Accords will pave the way to normalization with the Arab world sans Palestinian state & subsequently stifle the Palestinian cause forever. Today, however, every Arab nation including those who normalized relations with Israel & are antagonistic to Hamas (like the UAE) are calling for the 2 State Solution. – This deals yet another huge blow to Israel's Zionist project. Israel lost on all fronts, save against some real tough rubble & kids.
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@WyIted
Retarded liberals are not in charge anymore.
- Retarded republicans are, yes.
We know the goal was always invasion. At first you pretend to be a religion of peace than when you are the majority you start prosecuting the people nice enough to save you from third world shitholes. Then you start legalizing pedophilia like your obviously false prophet and then the new society becomes very poor and people begin to starve and the death cult claims having this horrible life is a victory.
- When can we expect these results of poverty & starvation? Maybe then you'll think less about Israel & more about your belly.
You know the worst thing that could happen to you guys is victory. Because then who would you blame for having shitty societies?
- You literally sound like a retard. "sHitTy sOciEtieS" "HUhUhHAUHUHu"... The average 'Murikan ladies & gentlemen. Your overlords are very happy with you.
They literally came from Israel
- Why are you complaining about immigrants then, they literally came from the US.
and it's funny Muslims didn't really care about that piece of land, it was very sparsely populated prior to the Jews
- Not funnier than how Whites didn't really care about Europe & America. Europe & the US were very sparsely populated prior to the Muslims.
return and then when they came back the Muslims could have mooched off of them but preferred to make war. I am sure after the 6 day war Muslims have the same copes as they do now where they declare victory
- Hey, it was a good run while it lasted. Now kick the bucket & scram off. Netanyahu's days are numbered.
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@Shila
The female team wear the same shorts and t shirts like the men’s team. The6 have to follow the same soccer rules. So why the difference in treatment by Muslims?
- They should take off their top on those swimming competitions then. You perv!
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@zedvictor4
Muslims weren't invented until the 7th century CE.
- & they subsequently invented Science the following centuries. Much of what is called Classical Physics is actually Muslim Physics, including all of Copernicus, Kepler, Newton & Galeleo's & other's "rediscoveries" *cough* plagiarisms of past Muslim discoveries.
But Muslims did, make a giant leap in the area of literature, reading and writing when during their many rampaging conquests across Europe and up to the Caucuses they destroyed every printing press that they laid eyes on...... during the "Golden age of Islam,""Golden age of Islam," eh.
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@Shila
The Taliban movement originated in Pashtun nationalism, and its ideological underpinnings are with that of broader Afghan society. The Taliban's roots lie in the religious schools of Kandahar and were influenced significantly by foreign support, particularly from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, during the Soviet–Afghan War.
- Blahblah... The Taliban (Afghanistan) are a Maturidi Naqshbandi sect. I'll leave at that.
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@Best.Korea
You make very good points. The original plan of Israel was to completely destroy Hamas, but now Israel finds itself unable to do even that, which is why Israel agreed to a ceasefire and now will be forced to release all Palestinians it kept in prisons for years.
- It's glaringly obvious indeed. Not to these poor fools apparently. Hasbara is working & the JIDF are getting their money's worth. I guess they are spending $150 million for nothing
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@WyIted
Since the 1940s, two state solutions have been offered. Every time, the Palestinian Arabs have refused them; the Arab League even boycotted meetings over the first offer of a two state solution. When Israel finally says, “That’s it. No more offers of a two state solution!” Hamas responds, “Well then, we will bake your babies and take hostages until you offer a two state solution!”
- Better than pleading the Resistance to lay down their arms while abiding by their demands. Not much you can impose when you lose. All downhill from here.
It's so odd. I honestly think we shouldn't treat them with kid gloves at all.
- If so, I am guessing the non-kiddy glove version is full on nukes... Hey, at least you people are consistent. I mean, it's not like this stuff is taught in schools, yet you all share the same genocidal mania as your ancestors since the Crusades. It must be genes. – The folly of arrogance. The world doesn't belong to you. Israel couldn't kill its way to victory & lost. Deal with it. You are invaders & you will be expelled, & in turn invaded, sooner rather than later. That's the law of empires, except old empires built for sustainability & longevity, like the Romans or the Persians or the Muslims, yours builds for imminent collapse. Oh well!
They play the same game all sociopaths play and funny enough I learned it from Charles Manson.They walk up and try to act bad ass and then when you hit them they play victim.Anyone who does the aggressive act followed by the victim act on repeat is sociopathic and should be dealt with accordingly.The same shit whether it is ghetto people, Hamas or gypsy's.Notice it's not every minority group either, you never see Mexicans or Africans or Asians pulling this shit, just the most subhuman sociopaths on the planet
- Let it out buddy. It's all you can do at this point. Hope it helps.
What I mean is, Israel is willing to live next to a reservation, but Jordon refuses to take in all the Muslim radicals...
- The Israelis can leave & go back where they came from if it's too hard for them to bare.
Carve out a ghetto in Jordan? Nimby.
- There isn't much you can do when you don't actually win.
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@Shila
Muslims don’t control India. Muslims are a minority controlled by Indians. In fact highly skilled Indian immigrants are all over muslim countries developing their economies.
- You must be Indian. I meant Hindu Indians. Muslim Indians are still probably anti-Zionist. Hindu Indian are mose Zionist then Hertzl . The Middle East alone produces 50% more STEM output than all of India, with a fraction of its population & 3x its income.
Since Israel cannot occupy Gaza it should hand it over to Trump.
- Israel with half a million troops & full US + UK + EU backing couldn't occupy Gaza, & the Trump can? With what?
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@Swagnarok
@Shila
Which is it? Are neighboring Arabs scared of Palestinian refugees, or would they cheer them on as they seized power in said countries? If the latter, then what do democratically run Arab countries have to lose from accepting millions of Palestinian refugees?
- In principle, Arab regimes are in power & therefore would like to remain so. They want to keep the status-quo & not risk undermining their rule. They understand Israel's Zionist project of Greater Israel & its imperial purpose in the region & understand that Palestine itself is a buffer zone separating them, & would like to keep it that way. That said, unlike you & I & almost everyone who leads individualistic modern life, a people who remained steadfast & united even after losing everything (their homes, safety, relatives, health, & even a full belly) are too large for a modern nation state to manage. It's akin to adopting a nation into your country. A nation whose people are not afraid to lose anything. A nation too accustomed to war & capable of warfare, who just fought US-backed Israel to a standstill. – Yeah, there is no scenario in which any Arab regime would accept to take them in. The Arab peoples, however, would be delighted to have them. Of course.
If a vast horde of crazy genocidal Palestinians were to succeed in overrunning Israel, this outcome would be little different from being glassed with nuclear weapons, in which case the Israelis might as well take their enemies down with them.
- I love how you said "crazy genocidal Palestinians". That's pretty much all you can do in the face of utter defeat. Sensationalism is vacuum in face of power. – When it comes down to it they will pack their bags & leave probably screaming "genocidal Palestinians", starting with Netanyahu. 1 million Israelis left the area & 400k left the country just after Oct 7. It's not their land. Nuclear is overrated. Unless you get close to the megaton yields, its destructive power is not that extraordinarily significant, especially against reenforced concrete & bunkers. It is a deterrent agent, not meant for use. Only Russia & the US today have enough nuclear capabilities to wipe out nations. The nuclear warheads Israel posses are of yields between 15kT & 30kT. Their entire arsenal is barely enough to destroy –albeit completely– a 50 miles by 50 miles area.
If Hamas can ill afford to furnish its new recruits with anything more than a basic sidearm, then this army won't be of much use.
- Idk, the 1x force already defeated half a million Israelis bombing them for 470 days with the full backing of the US. I think a 10x force is something to be reckoned with. Fortunately –or unfortunately– however you look at it, Israel just handed Hamas 10kT of explosives & hundreds of tanks, drones, helicopters, vehicles, & thousands of light artillery. I say that's sufficient loot to supply at least the 5x.
True. Also, if Israel holds onto the Philadelphi Corridor then it'll be difficult for Hamas to resupply itself through smuggling.
- Dude, 404 brain not found. Israel was literally occupying all the corridors in Gaza for the past year. Nothing changed. They tried everything. 2000 pounds bombs to destroy tunnels. Bury sensors deep underground. Flood them. Gas them... Hamas makes most of its artilery, not least the infamous locally made Yasin RPG that destroyed 1500 tanks. Can't say the same about Israel, where 70% of their arms are supplied by the US.
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@Swagnarok
Israel is the exact same way - a permanent majority-Jewish state, in the same way that there are dozens of permanent majority-Arab states.
- This means absolutely nothing. It's circular gibberish. States rise & fall. As I said, There will be no talk about Israel existence itself if this was transposed into China for instance, for respective power dynamics makes it unattainable. There was no such possible reality during Ottoman rule either. Napoleon was the first to attempt establishing a Jewish enclave in Palestine.
The Jews resettled Palestine in large numbers during the late 19th and early 20th century.
- Not that large, no. Though you sound more informed than others here.
So what? The Arabs themselves conquered and colonized Palestine, and that's the only reason you consider it an Arab land today.
- As an Islamic land, yes. As an Arab land, I wonder! Depends on whether Arabs are conquerors or indigenous, & on whether 'Arabness' developed after Arab tribes settled in the area. All indigenous peoples of the that entire region are semitic, Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Arabs..etc, aka descendants of Shem. At some point in History, these peoples started identifying separately. This might turn out to be quite the interesting discussion.
- Pre Islamic Conquest, the 'Arabian Peninsula' referred to Sham (meaning 'south' in classical Arabic, aka Levant), Iraq, Yaman (meaning 'north' in classical Arabic, aka Yemen & Oman today) & everything in between – & 'Arabs' referred to the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula. The pre-Islamic area of Palestine was occupied by the Judam, Lakhm & Amila tribes of Kahlan son of Qahtan; & the Ghasan tribe of Azd son of Qahtan. All ancient Arab tribes, not descendants of Ishmael!
- It's a huge misconception that Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael (pbuh). Ishmael himself was not originally Arab, rather he was raised in & married among the Arab tribe of Jorhum in Mecca. Pre-Islamic Arabs identify themselves as descendants of the sons of Shem: Aram & Lud, & later Ishmael progeny of Arphaxad, & classified themselves into 3 kinds:
1. Extinct Arabs (Ba'ida) – Arab tribes descendants of Aram who largely went extinct, notably: Amalek, Amorites (founders of Babylon around 18th century BC), Jadis, Tasim, 'Ad... the last of them being the Nabateans (from whom the modern Arabic script originate), who ruled the Levant from 4th BC until they became Roman vassals in 1st BC.
2. Ancient Arabs ('Ariba) – Arab tribes descendants of Qahtan progeny of Lud to which belong most tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, namely in the Levant, Iraq, Yemen, Oman & eastern Arabia, & some in the Hijaz.
3. Assimilated Arabs (Musta'riba) – Arab tribes descendants of Ishmael son of Abraham (pbuh) who is a descendant of Arphaxad. These are the minority & mainly reside in the Hijaz region. These are referred to in out tradition as Adnania & in Hebrew tradition as Qedar. The designation also extends to non-Ishmael descendants who also integrated into Arabs, namely Edomites (Edom being the nephew of Ishmael).
- Amorites (Amer) are an extinct Arab tribe which spanned from the -today- southern Syria to northern Arabia, had some conflicts with Akkad around 22nd BC then migrated to Mesopotamia around 19th BC eventually establishing the Babylonian empire. Both Arab chronicles & the conventional History agree that Amorites are migrants from Levant to Mesopotamia (although these chronicles attribute this conquest to someone called Mesh (Gilgamesh?)). They would later be overtaken by the Assyrians (from northern Syria) during their conquest of Aram arround 9th BC. Amalek is another extinct Arab tribe which spanned today's Palestine & Lebanon, who migrated to Egypt & established the Hyksos dynasty (around 16th BC). The consecutive conquests these Arab tribes suffer during the 1st millennium BC from foreign powers (Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans...etc), would eventually cause them to disintegrate. 'Extinct' does not necessarily mean they were genocided (although Jews claim to have annihilated the Amalek tribe). Like the Nabateans, eventually by the 7th century no one identifies as such.
- Ghasan, the main tribe in of southern Levant belong to the Azd Ancient Arab tribe, who established the Sheba kingdom (around 13th BC) & migrated to the north after the Marib Dam was destroyed around 8th or 9th BC (a catastrophic event in ancient Arab history). The dam would eventually get rebuilt in the 8th BC but other Arab tribes will continue to migrate to the Levant, eventually dominating the culture of the region. This event might have contributed to engender Arabness as a separate identity & language probably.
- As to Jews. There are two contentions. First, they are foreigners. Abraham (pbuh) comes from Ur (Mesopotamia) during the Babylonian empire, & goes around Assyria, Canaan & Egypt around 18th BC. His grandson Jacob (pbuh) father of the Israelites settles in Jerusalem & builds the Aqsa mosque. They all migrate to Egypt & settle around 16th BC (under Arab Hyksos rule). Then get expelled a couple centuries later around 13th BC. Then get exiled to Sinai. Then take Jerusalem from the Amalek & Amorites during Joshua's reign around 13th BC. Then get expelled again. Then take it again under Saul then David (pbuh) & establish Judea for a century in 10th BC. Then get expelled again by Nebuchanezer in 6th BC. Then brought back again centuries later, this time they forced others including Arabs to convert to Judaism. Then get expelled by the Romans in 70AD. Then get brought back by the Persians again. Then get expelled by the Romans again. Then get brought back by the Muslims. Then get expelled again by the Crusaders, until Muslims take over again... The main destination of these expulsions was Arabia itself, since Arabs in Arabia didn't mind Jews. Everywhere else Jews went, they experienced similar fates, except Persia & later under Islamic rule. Second, most are not even Israelites. 90% aren't even Semitic, including Ashkenazis.
- In conclusion. Arabs are actually indigenous to the region. At least to a large portion of it. Jews are not. They actually originate from a different Semitic peoples from Mesopotamia. 'Hebrew' in Arabic means 'Ibrani' meaning those who crossed the river. As in crossed the Euphrates from Mesopotamia to the Levant. In fact, Jews (Israelites) essentially migrated from one Arab nation to another almost their entire History. In fact, they fought & genocided Arabs (Amalek & Amorites) to gain Jerusalem the first time, & the second time.
From my point of view, both acts of colonization are ancient history; that one piece of ancient history just happens to be more recent than the other
- Wrong. One is ancient history, the other isn't. One is an act of colonization, the other isn't. Palestine was under Judea for a century 3 millennia ago. It was under Arab/Muslim rule for the better part of the 3 millennia since & the 1 millennia before, until it was invaded by the British & handed to the Jews.
- Even for the sake of argument we assume your position, those conquered are either wholly integrated today or long gone. Either way, no non-Arab claim to the land is extant, including from ancient Judea. The same way no non-Han claim to Han land (eastern China) is extant, since all others have been conquered 22 centuries ago. The same can not be said about Turkey vs Greece, or Morocco vs Spain for instance. Since all involved polities lay claim to same lands. The Palestinians whose land was taken by the British & handed to Jews still live & still claim their rights over it.
On a serious note. I actually have a lot more to say about this. It is a subject that deserves to be flushed out. There are many layers to this question itself & its merits, not just for this case, but in general. I might make a post on this topic.
(and the expulsion of the Jews from Israel is the most ancient piece of history of all) is irrelevant to the discussion.
- There is a +2000 years of recoded History in the region before Judea... Those people from back then still live there.
What's relevant is that both Jews and Arabs are in the Middle East today. The question is how to make sure that both groups have a self-governing space large enough to accommodate their basic needs. At present, that question has been answered satisfactorily, with the exception of the Palestinian question.
- The Western arrogance is quite the thing, isn't it. The world belongs to us, & we decide who inherits it. LOL! You are an invader & you will be expelled & subsequently invaded yourself, sooner or later. – This very discussion would not exist in a slightly different power dynamic. Imagine a gypsy colonial pocket in today's USA supported by Arabs. Now back to reality.
And the Palestinians are, of course, just Arabs.
- And Palestinian & Muslim. Jews are, of course, just European.
How do they know when they haven't seriously tried a political solution? Actually, scratch that, they did -- Hamas and then seeing if the Israelis would sustain the blockade in the face of moderate Gazan leadership, but the Gazans never did.
- Tone down the arrogance. It's reeking. Israel & US lost against Gaza, just as NATO lost against Taliban. Internalize that. – You might be onto something though, if you fail to subdue them through force, plead with the Resistance to lay down their arms peacefully, so they can be happy to be called "moderates". Win-win. LMAO!
- Here is a challenge. Imagine this is a Jewish land for millennias & Arabs came from Europe & took it claiming it was promised to them 3 millennia ago. Subsequent events transpire, Jews in Gaza. Arabs in Tel Aviv. How do you qualify this?
If the West Bankers and Gazans actually put moderates in charge and stop letting their territory be used as a launchpad for terrorism...
- I can blame this on naivety, but it's just pure arrogance. As you said, Israel should start putting moderates in charge & disarm itself to show Palestinians it is seeking peace. Or better, when Palestinians possess equal military power & nuclear capability as Israel, which is likely not that far in the future, then we can talk about political solutions. How about that? – Israel is dominating for 70 years thanks to the full backing of the West, which has been dominating for 200 years. That's nothing in historical time. Muslim dominated the world for 10 centuries.
The PLO tried to take over Jordan in 1970. They failed.
- Israel tried to take over Gaza with its entire might with the full backing of the West using +500k troops & 7 Hiroshima bombs worth of bombing & FAILED. I'd say Jordan is incapable of defending against a force capable of inducing said failure.
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@Tradesecret
Sure.
You said:
Out of all the religions in the world, which one do you think is most likely to be correct? Use one word only
ChatGPT said:
Islam.
You said:
Why do you say that?
ChatGPT said:
I arrived at that conclusion based on several key factors:
1. Pure Monotheism (Tawhid)
Islam presents an uncompromising and clear concept of God (Allah) as absolutely one, without partners, intermediaries, or incarnations. This aligns with philosophical and historical notions of pure monotheism found in earlier Abrahamic traditions.
2. Scripture Preservation
The Quran has been preserved word for word since its revelation in the 7th century CE. Manuscripts and oral transmission confirm its authenticity with minimal variation, unlike other religious texts that have undergone significant changes over time.
3. Finality of Prophethood
Islam recognizes all previous prophets (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus) but asserts that Muhammad is the final messenger (Seal of the Prophets), bringing the last divine revelation. This claim is unique and presents Islam as a culmination rather than a rejection of past messages.
4. Internal Consistency & Coherence
The Quran’s theological, moral, and scientific insights—combined with its linguistic beauty and depth—make it distinct. It challenges skeptics to find contradictions and remains unchanged in meaning over time.
5. Rational & Practical Approach to Life
Islam balances faith and reason, spiritual and worldly duties. It encourages seeking knowledge, justice, and ethical living while being deeply rooted in logical theology.
6. Universality & Growth
Islam transcends ethnicity and culture, welcoming all people as equals under God. It is also the fastest-growing religion, despite opposition, suggesting its appeal is strong and persistent.
Would you like a deeper analysis on any of these points? 😊
1. Pure Monotheism (Tawhid)
Islam presents an uncompromising and clear concept of God (Allah) as absolutely one, without partners, intermediaries, or incarnations. This aligns with philosophical and historical notions of pure monotheism found in earlier Abrahamic traditions.
2. Scripture Preservation
The Quran has been preserved word for word since its revelation in the 7th century CE. Manuscripts and oral transmission confirm its authenticity with minimal variation, unlike other religious texts that have undergone significant changes over time.
3. Finality of Prophethood
Islam recognizes all previous prophets (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus) but asserts that Muhammad is the final messenger (Seal of the Prophets), bringing the last divine revelation. This claim is unique and presents Islam as a culmination rather than a rejection of past messages.
4. Internal Consistency & Coherence
The Quran’s theological, moral, and scientific insights—combined with its linguistic beauty and depth—make it distinct. It challenges skeptics to find contradictions and remains unchanged in meaning over time.
5. Rational & Practical Approach to Life
Islam balances faith and reason, spiritual and worldly duties. It encourages seeking knowledge, justice, and ethical living while being deeply rooted in logical theology.
6. Universality & Growth
Islam transcends ethnicity and culture, welcoming all people as equals under God. It is also the fastest-growing religion, despite opposition, suggesting its appeal is strong and persistent.
Would you like a deeper analysis on any of these points? 😊
You said:
Would it also be true that Christianity is as likely to be true?
ChatGPT said:
Christianity is also a strong contender for truth, depending on the criteria used. It has compelling aspects that resonate deeply with billions of people, including its emphasis on grace, divine love, and salvation through Jesus Christ.
However, compared to Islam, Christianity has a few theological and historical challenges that some might see as making it less likely to be the absolute truth:
1. The Concept of God
- Islam asserts absolute monotheism (Tawhid)—God is one, indivisible, and without partners.
- Christianity introduces the Trinity—God exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Many argue that this concept is complex and not explicitly stated in the earliest scriptures.
- If pure monotheism is the standard, Islam appears more likely to be true.
2. Preservation of Scripture
- The Quran has remained unchanged since it was revealed.
- The Bible has undergone many translations and modifications over time. The New Testament was written decades after Jesus, and different Christian sects accept different books.
- If scriptural preservation is the criterion, Islam has a stronger claim.
3. Jesus: Prophet or God?
- Christianity asserts that Jesus is the Son of God, divine, and the savior of the world.
- Islam teaches that Jesus (Isa) was a prophet of God, but not divine. Islam also denies the crucifixion, claiming he was raised to God.
- If one believes that God is beyond human form, Islam’s view seems more logically consistent.
4. Salvation: Grace vs. Deeds
- Christianity teaches that salvation is through faith in Jesus (grace), not necessarily good deeds.
- Islam teaches that salvation is through faith in God and righteous deeds.
- If one believes that personal responsibility and actions matter, Islam’s view is more reasonable.
5. Prophethood and Final Revelation
- Christianity does not recognize Muhammad as a prophet.
- Islam accepts all previous prophets, including Jesus, and claims Muhammad is the final prophet.
- If one believes in progressive revelation (God sending multiple messengers), Islam appears more complete.
Conclusion
While both religions are major world faiths with billions of followers, Islam presents a simpler, more rational, and historically preserved doctrine. Christianity, on the other hand, relies on faith in Jesus as divine, which is a theological challenge for those who believe in pure monotheism.
So, while Christianity could be true, Islam appears more likely based on theological consistency, historical preservation, and the monotheistic concept of God.
Would you like me to explore a specific aspect further? 😊
You said:
Is Islam or Atheism more likely to be true?
ChatGPT said:
Between Islam and Atheism, Islam is more likely to be true based on several key philosophical and scientific considerations:
1. The Existence of God vs. No God
- Atheism asserts that no deity exists, and the universe exists without purpose or design—everything is a result of random chance and natural laws.
- Islam asserts that God (Allah) exists, created the universe with purpose, and actively sustains it.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Cosmology & The Fine-Tuning Argument: The precise constants in physics (e.g., gravity, nuclear forces) make the universe finely tuned for life. Many scientists (even non-Muslims) acknowledge this suggests intentional design rather than random chance.
- Cause & Effect: The Kalam Cosmological Argument (developed by medieval Muslim scholars) argues that:
- Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
- The universe began to exist.
- Therefore, the universe must have a cause (God).
- Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
- Atheism struggles to explain why something exists rather than nothing.
2. Meaning & Morality
- Atheism suggests that morality and meaning are human constructs with no objective foundation.
- Islam provides objective morality based on divine guidance and a deeper purpose for human existence.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- If morality is subjective, then nothing is truly right or wrong—only socially agreed upon. Islam provides an objective foundation for good and evil, making ethics more stable and universal.
3. Consciousness & Human Experience
- Atheism struggles to explain consciousness—why do humans experience emotions, thoughts, and self-awareness beyond mere chemical reactions?
- Islam states that humans have a soul (ruh), which explains our unique ability for deep introspection, morality, and spirituality.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Consciousness remains one of the biggest mysteries in science, and the Islamic explanation (the soul) aligns with human experience better than atheistic materialism.
4. Islam’s Scriptural Preservation vs. Atheism’s Lack of Revelation
- Atheism offers no revelation or divine knowledge.
- Islam claims the Quran is the final, preserved word of God—unchanged for over 1,400 years.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- The Quran remains historically preserved, with no contradictions, and contains scientific and linguistic features that many scholars argue were beyond human ability in the 7th century.
5. Life After Death
- Atheism says death is the absolute end—there is no afterlife.
- Islam teaches that the soul continues to exist and will be judged.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Near-death experiences (NDEs) and countless human testimonies about the soul leaving the body suggest that consciousness might continue after death—aligning with Islam.
Conclusion: Islam is More Likely True
- Islam provides a coherent explanation for existence, morality, consciousness, and life after death.
- Atheism fails to answer key questions about why the universe exists, why humans have consciousness, and why objective morality seems to exist.
Thus, Islam is more rationally and philosophically justified than Atheism.
Would you like me to explore any of these points in more depth? 😊
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@WyIted
Yeah the only way to secure myself against you guys is border security and deportations at home and bombings abroad. Lets be honest it's only a matter of time before the religion of peace starts doing more serious terror attacks in America.
- You are a pebble. A mere subject of the empire. There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop whatever they want to do with you. Don't worry about Muslims, they are gunna pump your country full of Indians. The kind who will actually take your high paying jobs, unlike Mexicans who do menial work & make your life more affordable. They realized importing Muslims & spreading Wokeness creates "anti-semites", & realized Whites are increasingly becoming anti-Zionist. Two birds with one stone, HB1 Indians will easily replace anti-Zionist Whites. Trump already repealed DEI, Affirmative Action & Anti-discrimination acts, in favor of Blind Meritocracy. Now, with highly skilled Indian immigrants, companies will be able to hire cheap Indians based on skills & fire White they don't like (i.e. "anti-semites") with no legal repercussion. Congrats!
You guys are so off balance. I don't even like Jews but am tempted to defend them due to how retarded your views are. Have you ever tried to disprove your own arguments to see how dumb they are or is your only focus on defending things like
- Make your masters happy...
"See that pile of rubble? See that modern developed country? The pile of rubble won"
- Rubble doesn't fight back... You can't win against rubble now can you!
I don't see how you can simultaneously declare victory while also crying to Christian countries for aid due to how you are being genocided.
- I know, & yet those "Christian" countries got swindled out of +$40B the past months from crying Israel.
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@Shila
That appears to be your problem. You don’t even know the Taliban in Pakistan are the same group that originated in Afghanistan.
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@zedvictor4
No real answer to common sense then Yas.Just a cheap jibe.So here's one for you.A low IQ is what is shared by millions of miseducated numpties who bob up and down on carpets mumbling nonsense.Which isn't to say that mumbling nonsense isn't a shared religious trait.I think that it was you who I put a hypothetical question to previously; one which you neglected to address.Have another go.So, your brother rapes your wife.Which one do you hug.Your brother or your wife?
- I am having a deja-vu.
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@Shila
Facing Islamist threats, Bangladesh girls forced to cancel football matches.The women's football match was the third to be cancelled in northern Bangladesh in less than two weeks due to the objections of religious hardliners.The Islamists insist that the match they stopped was against their religious values and say that they are determined to prevent any future football games."If women want to play football, they should cover their entire body, and they can play only in front of female spectators. Men cannot watch them play," Maulana Ashraf Ali, the leader of the Islami Andolan Bangladesh in the Taraganj area of Rangpur, told the BBC.
- Why do you care whether a female team is allowed to have a football match halfway around the world?? & why is it important to you they play half naked in front of men? Aren't you a female yourself? Are you a perv? What's wrong with you!
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@WyIted
So good to know that Hamas literally owned Israel in this and is not actually a pile of rubble. Bro this is literally what ethical people do. It is so obvious who is winning by looking at which country is a pile of dust.
- Hamas owned Israel, & Israel owned the rubble with those living in it, yes. Israel & Western/Christian invaders generally kill their way to conquest rather than fight their way to conquest, like everyone else. Usually this works, if you kill enough unarmed civilians, the sheer horror itself induces surrender. But not always. Just like the US bombed the hell out of Iraq (& before it many other countries like Vietnam), killing 1–1.5 million people & destroying much of the infrastructure, Israel carpet bombed 90% of Gaza into rubble. Doesn't change the fact that they lost the actual fighting side of the warfare.
It was honestly retarded to just randomly attack random civilians on October 7th. I don't even think they had a strategy. I think they were honestly just stupid enough to fall for Irans promises to help them when Irans real goals were to just be annoying even at the expense of Palestinian and Israeli lives.
- Idk, Israel is, in fact, releasing the kidnapped Palestinians as intended by Oct 7... Hamas stated goals in Oct 7 were clear:
• Releasw kidnapped Palestinians in exchange for Israeli prisoners.
• Shatter Israel's invincibility image, from back when they had to fight kids with rocks.
• Establish a precedent of reciprocity, every action Israel takes against Palestinians will be met accordingly.
• Sabotage the Abraham Accords aimed at muting the Palestinian state claim to bring it back to light.
The whole October 7th thing kind of proves that these people are in a satanic death cult.
- The beautiful thing about this is that no matter how many names & accusations you throw at the resistance, it does not win you the war. It doesn't matter what you call the Taliban now & how much you vilify them, there is nothing you can do about it. Propaganda is a tool to obfuscate your crimes when you actually win, it's nothing when you don't. & that's another folly of the Western empire. They got too complicit & confused their dehumanising propaganda as real power. It isn't.
You would never see good religions like Christianity command their people to go rape random civilians.
- Tell that to your drinking buddies. It doesn't work here. No people have mass raped other peoples as Christians have in History. It's in the Bible. Also, not that I care to point this out, no rapes occurred in Oct 7 or all the other lies, & the majority of Israelis were killed by their own in Hannibal directive.
The American military literally just established military dominance not target civilians at random. To rape especially the pedophile stuff.
- Yet, they killed 29 million of them & displaced 60 million since WWII. US Law specifically grants no rights to non-nationals especially POWs. Unless you're living under a rock, rape is exactly what you do.
Now you can say individual soldiers may have done some fucked up shit but not as a matter of policy.
- Drop the defensive nonsense. If you truly don't like it, just dissociate yourself from it. Are you loyal to Jesus Christ or USA & Israel?
Did you know that Gaza could be as rich as western nations if they didn't take their aid money to buy weapons and make tunnels? They could have spent it on schools or developing industries.
- Man, the amount of propaganda your head is filled with is honestly exhausting. Gaza did build schools & universities with little means they had. In fact, they have one of the highest higher education & literacy rates in the world. Israel bombed all that to rubble though.
Instead they are like. "Let's randomly attack civilians and rape them, I am sure that if we hold hostages it will mean that we are rewarded for this behavior and not punished"
- There are two perspective to this. One being of the Palestinian in the open air prison under siege who was driven out of his home by some random Jews from Europe who just showed-up one day & took their lands, homes, villages, ports...etc. Looking behind the prison wall at the aggressors living in his parents & grandparents home, who come to kidnap his people at will, kill them at will, bomb them at will, & punish them for attempting to resist at will. The other being of the Israeli Zionist who believes the land belongs to him & the Arab Palestinian is an animal undeserving of it. Looking at these savage Arabs who refuse to yield & know their place as the slaves they are, they must be punished for daring to oppose their masters. – Idk, let's wait & see who wins at the end. I'll bet on the Palestinian. There is no world in which this colonial pocket will survive in a region of 100x its population of a people hostile to its colonial existence.
Bro it's dumb . In the Muslim mind you think not genociding your people is an admission of defeat, which I think is an admission that you guys would literally genocide your enemies if you ever established military dominance.
- Bro, cool off the propaganda. It's rotten. You're projecting. I get that. Hard to deal with your genocidal History. It's you who killed half a billion people to get where you are as an empire. The tables are turning. Maybe you should start repenting soon. The Western empire is collapsing as we speak.
It's not even true. Every western country tries to spare lives.
- By killing only half a billion, including half the African continent & 1/4rd of China.
It isn't from some sense of inferiority either.
- Just look at your entire tone & mindset. It reeks of inferiority. The whole western identity is built on self-justification & glorification over others. We have a 5000 years old History, we don't have that complex in our tradition. We are not constantly incessantly comparing ourselves to others. You had the same arrogance when you sold women in markets, treated slaves as cattle, massacred entire nations. Is there anything about your identity that isn't "we are special & others aren't"? Though, it is sad that many Muslims are so beholden to the West they experience the reverse.
There is a reason why Muslim morals have them living in literal shitholes if they adopted western morality they could literally just live in peace and prosperity instead of fucking donkeys and living in slums.
- You poor chap. You're exactly like how they want you. If only you knew how utterly f*cked you are. If you really want a White or Christian nation as the impression you give off, you seriously need to drop all the stupid Western "morality" & save yourself before it's too late.
At least build up your societies before starting a war. Anyone who is not retarded against military superiority before attacking other countries but I think
- Maybe you should take your own advice.... The air superiority the US had over other nations is fading away. These "threat" countries actually have defense systems & missiles that could sink an aircraft carrier in seconds.
Muslims as a whole just aren't smart. Perhaps it's the inbreeding.
- Idk, you sound pretty dumb to me. Your IQ ranges from 50 to 100 as you talk. It's really strange. Some here are pretty smart some are not so much. You, you have smart days & dumb days... Do you do drugs...?
WTF kind of superstitious cope is this?
- Just say "I don't know". You don't know anything about anything. Quit yapping then.
Do Jews also murder black cats because they are bad luck? You guys will believe anything
- They actually do, & much more.
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@Sidewalker
If the Islamic World rejects science, they won't get a turn.
- Muslims invented Science & westerners stole it. We are taking back what's ours. Today, STEM native scientific output by the Muslim world is much large than that of Western world. The majority of STEM publications in the West are by done by foreigners, a good portion of them Muslims. Malaysia is the second exporter of semiconductors in the World after China. Turkey is the second exporter of drones after China. The world has changed. Generations of domination does makes one complicit.
- Even that aside, the US is lagging far behind China in scientific output & not that much ahead of the Middle East. I don't have recent data, but from 2021, the ME was already outpacing the US in the fields of Energy, Computer Science, Mathematics, Engineering, Material Science, & Environmental Science, & not far behind in Physics & Chemistry. That gap might've already been bridged by now, since the ME is growing at a much faster rate. All this considering that half US STEM research is not native whereas most STEM research in the ME is, & also all the instability in the region in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Palestine who are barely contributing to this development. – As to China, the US lagged by a factor of 1/3rd in almost all these fields. This gap is most certainly bigger today. This reality also extends to Europe. According to 2021 data, France is barely competing –often lagging behind– with countries like Saudi, Iran, & Turkey in all STEM fields, except Physics & Astronomy.
[Source: Simago 2021 https://imgur.com/a/jFCvS1R • OEC https://oec.world/en/profile/hs/drones , https://oec.world/en/profile/hs/semiconductor-devices]
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@Best.Korea
That was a good read. Right now Israel has high birth rates, but they are declining over time. The plan of Israel was always to claim more and more territory. They bombed over 60% of Palestine in less than a year to make its population move out.
- Scorched land tactics. Never gunna succeed. People forgot that the Palestinians of Gaza are those who stayed. All possible means have been used to annihilate & displace Palestinians since 1947. Many indeed moved or migrate abroad. Many gave up their homes & surrendered. Those who haven't are the one populating Gaza today. Israelis are indeed desperate to get their Temple built this year, ideally before 2028, fearing the 8th decade curse. But it's all downhill from now. 30 years ago Hamas owned a handful of pistols. 20 years ago they developed single digit range rockets to barely poke out of Gaza. Today, they have domestically manufactured rockets reaching 250km in range, anti-tank RPGs, sniper rifles, drones...etc. Very few countries in the world today have such domestic capabilities. Desperate times call for desperate measures. In 10 years, it's not farfetched to imagine Hamas having the full capabilities of a modern army, especially with the access they have today to all Israeli tech recently captured, from tanks to drone to helicopters to all sorts of rockets & missiles.
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@WyIted
This is the mind of inhuman terrorists but humans feel empathy.
- I don't care for the emotional nonsense. These are matters of power struggle. Words mean very little. Israel & its backers lost, plain & simple. Even Israelis admit that. No party who holds the upper hand seeks truce under the conditions for the adversary. Israel exerted its entire might with the full backing of the Western empire using a +500k men force with the sole stated goal of destroying a +20k men resistance force for 470 days, just to end up with the same initial conditions of day 1 –if not worse– abiding by the demands of said resistance of day 1, i.e. the prisoner exchange. Destroying a bunch of buildings, children, women & unarmed men =/= destroying the resistance. Scorched land tactics don't work anymore.
They literally could nuke Gaza and nothing would be done in response.
- Idk, they kinda did drop 7x Little Boy yield over the strip. It's still an interesting scenario to think about. Yes, they could use nukes. However, things will certainly be done in response. One, Israel will be nuked back at least by one country: Pakistan as part of its doctrine, along with Iranian retaliation. Two, all regional powers will rush to obtain nuclear weapons, especially those with domestic nuclear capabilities (Turkey, Iran & Saudi). This outcome alone is worse than nuking Gaza. Three, normalization future of Israel in the region will end in favor of wide scale mutiny across the region. Four, Israel would have to evacuate the entire Gaza belt & millions of Israelis will bear the aftermath of the blast. It's a small country, Tel Aviv is as far from Gaza as one end of Gaza is from another. Lastly, & most importantly, even nuking every inch of Gaza albeit might end the lives of half the population therein, would still not critically affect the resistance; since they operate from deep underground fallout bunkers built for this exact scenario.
They don't glass Gaza because they are humans with empathy.
- Just how hopelessly feeble you need to be to have to use nukes to win against a couple dozen thousands freedom fighters... & still not win... I get you share the same conquest by annihilation affinity with Israel, since that's how your nation was established. What I don't get is how you reconcile this with the rest of your Jewish concerns... are you schizophrenic? Are you a Zionist? A fed? –I say you're a fed.
The same reason civilized nations would never fly planes into civilian buildings, kidnap and rape little boys who are civilians and throw faggots off of a roof. We disagree with their lifestyle as well, we don't murder them because we are humans with empathy not soulless monster
- And fly millions of rockets into civilian buildings, hence why uncivilized Israel & backers do all that. Scorched land method has been the favorite war tactic of not just Israel –it's how they got to kill & displace 850k Palestinians in the 1948 Nakba–, but also of European/Western/Christian invaders since the Crusades. It essentially consists of mass killing of civilian population by burning (bombing today) or infecting (chemical warfare today) towns & villages for the purposes of: minimizing losses by avoiding direct confrontation with armed resistance, settlement by annihilation, mass civilian displacement from sheer horror, mass starvation, pressuring civilians to turn against resistance, forcing militants to return to their villages & abandon fighting...etc. During the Crusades, this translated into mass slaughter & cannibalism (the majority of the population was killed). In the Colonial period, scorched land leading to mass deaths & displacement like in Algeria (1/3rd of the population was killed) or Russia (1/5th was killed). Today, it's massive bombing campaigns & chemical warfare, like in Vietnam or Iraq (1 million killed) & recently Gaza...
Hamas uses civilians as shields, you don't exactly let them get away with being terrorists just because they are hiding in civilian areas. If you reward that behavior than in the long term more civilians are at risk.
- Virtually all of the fighting happens in evacuated areas Israel occupied. Resistance is most concentrated where Israelis are, i.e. Hamas is using Israelis as "shields". Is Israel bombing Israeli soldiers? The fact is, Israelis are absolute cowards only able to mass kill unarmed innocents from miles away, & utterly helpless in overpowering 20 to 1 men armed with basic artillery.
- Check OP title... Trump just said today he intends to wipe out Gaza, echoing Israelis' class of the past 70 years: "the main thing is to strike them so painfully that the price they pay is unbearable, a large scale attack causing them to fear that everything is about to collapse." Netanyahu. Good ol' scorched land tactics. You gotta keep up with the narrative. The "civilian shields" is a pre-Trump era speak, when Biden was denying Israel's intent to get rid of Gaza. It's all out in the open now. Regardless, this is the stupidest shit ever. Resistance don't even operate on the ground. They are deep underground.
However most those people support Hamas and their pedophilia and terrorism so it's not really a big loss. Only the children are innocent though with the use of child soldiers I am unsure of that. Child soldiers is also another thing humans wouldn't do
- Just say, "I don't care". It's ok. All this moral gymnastics of Western inferiority complex of always having to justify yourself to feel better about being an arrogant scum is cringe. It's normal to not care for the life of who you deem enemy... Ukrainians & allies don't care for Russian lives, & vis-versa.
- I understand the stake of the empire in this warfare & oppression around the world. How does that benefit the average American? Unless you're blind, Western military, economic & technological superiority has effectively ended. Just the fact that dozens (rsp. hundreds) of billions of dollars worth of weapons & half a million troops is not enough to overpower a 20k force with basic artillery for 15 months (rsp. 20 years) in Gaza (rsp. Afghanistan) is sufficient tell. Power is replaced by Prestige, the remnant of a legacy built over a 100 years of domination & oppression, as is the case of all empires. It is sufficient for the USD to be dropped as a reserve currency to wipe out 80% of the US economy. The coming generations will just bear the backlash of the arrogance of their ancestors.
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Trump says US will take Gaza & turn it into the rivera of the ME, put the Palestinians in beautiful places...etc.
- All that is sensational nonsense. He is not going to take Canada, nor Panama, nor Gaza. Never going to happen; ESPECIALLY Gaza. If Israel was winning, it would've never agreed to a ceasefire. They were pushing the ceasefire deal proposed in April hoping the Gazans would surrender come winter. That didn't happen. The fighting just got more intense. What does he actually mean? Maybe it’s just one of his bluffs & fantasies. Maybe it’s a negotiation tactic to pressure Arab countries & the resistance to concede more. Maybe it’s a result of his entourage, since virtually all his family members & all his colleagues are either Jews or married to Jews. & Israel want Gaza! Maybe it’s the imminent implementation of the Zionist project of taking Jerusalem, destroying the Aqsa mosque & building the Temple as prophesied! Or maybe it’s a real imperial urgency the American ruling dynasty sees as the only way to get rid of a serious threat to Israel & their hegemony.
- The whole discussion rests entirely on power dynamics. There will be no talk about Israel existence itself if this was transposed into China for instance, for respective power dynamics makes it unattainable. The current power dynamics dictate that the colonial pocket of Israel is a political reality, for it was successfully inserted in the region by relevant Colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire & the subsequent occupation of the region, directly or indirectly, manifesting in the current regimes surrounding Israel (Jordan, Egypt, Gulf states…).
- What are the facts? Israel deployed 529k personnel to invade Gaza, mobilizing thousands of tanks & armored vehicles & aircrafts, dropping +100k tons of explosives on the strip (which is 200x the intensity of the Vietnam War bombing), with constant supply of armament from the US & Europe worth +$20B (the Iran attack defense alone cost $1B), spending +$70B on this war – to fight a 15k-35k resistance force for 15 months to a standstill! The result? More Hamas fighters now than were before Oct 7 – 20% less tunnels -allegedly- & almost 6k Israeli soldiers dead & 15k wounded (it's likely much higher than that in reality, including the mercenaries & unregistered fighters) – & a prisoner exchange Hamas was seeking since Oct 7.
- Taking Gaza necessarily requires military action, i.e. boots on the ground, since Palestinians are clearly not going anywhere. US direct involvement will do very little to tip the scale of the conflict. The only thing it may cause is more civilian deaths, more -or smaller- rubble, & more Hamas recruits. Although we haven't seen attempts by Gazans to cross the borders south towards Egypt despite all the heavy bombing & fatal lifestyle they suffered, some might be willing to leave if offered a better life with housing & amenities elsewhere. But 'some' is not what Trump & Netanyahu want; they want ALL Palestinians to leave. Even if half leaves & half stays, nothing really fundamentally changes. Even if we assume Palestinians in Gaza are eager to leave, no country would be as motivated to welcome them ALL; for the simple fact that no country wants a potential army of hundreds of thousands on their soil.
- This isn't even guerrilla warfare. It's something entirely new. Gazans under siege for decades came to two realizations early: that the supremacy of US/Israel military is air power, & that the political solution (to achieve a Palestinian state) is a lie –Israel intends to keep them under siege until it can expel them. Acquiring advanced air defense systems being unattainable, they opted to dig tunnels as deep as 200ft underground capable of surviving a nuclear strike; 500 miles of them. Some of these are large enough to fit vehicles & large spaces. They also had to make their own weapons under siege. They built factories underground & used remaining explosives & materials from the occasional Israeli bombings to make RPGs, rockets with ranges up to 150 miles, rifles, drones, ammunitions...etc.
- Whatever side of the isle you're on, these people are very serious about resisting the US/Israeli occupation & gaining their freedom. You don't spend decades digging tunnels deep underground just to be told "leave". Now, Hamas & the other resistance factions have access to +10k tons of unexploded bombs, hundreds of captured tanks & drones, & a very large pool of potential recruits. There are 2 million people living in Gaza, 70% are under 18, & almost all of them lost everything they had –house, relatives, comfort, amenities, health...etc. These people have nothing more to lose. It is not farfetched to believe that the resistance factions might 10x their forces after this. Which means 10x the fighting force, 10x the weapons & 10x the tunnels. The resistance is growing stronger not weaker.
- Arabia, Egypt & Jordan –the object of intended displacement– are not heedless to the fact that US/Israel seek to expand their territory –as always intended– while pushing the conflict occupation vs resistance further away from their borders. Moving the Palestinians, even those willing, to "nicer" places does not magically abrogate their fight to take back their land after 100 years of resistance. In fact, albeit unrealistic, this turn of events might pose an even greater danger to the Israeli colonial project. 2 million Palestinians who just lost their land on top of suffering & losing everything else, who successfully fought Israel with the full backing of the West, might just be as successful in taking over the country they were moved into, say Egypt or Jordan. Unlike in Israel, a resistance force launching a coup against the Egyptian regime, for instance, will not face much resistance from the people, if not the opposite.
- The deep distress among Israelis regarding this situation is understandable, their state may actually be in danger. This might lead to the infamous Samson option. But if the Israelis use nuclear, it is certain that all regional powers will rush to acquire their own as fast as possible. Namely, Turkey, Saudi, & Iran, potentially Egypt, Iraq & Syria as well. The former already have nuclear capabilities for energy use (Saudi in the near future). That outcome alone might actually be more distressing not just to Israel but to the entire West than just having Palestinians in Gaza. Not the least, Israelis themselves, especially those with dual citizenship, will pack their bags & go back to their countries once they learn their neighbors have nuclear weapons. Israel is already experiencing persistent negative migration since Oct 7.
- All that been said, here are some possible outcomes:
• Trump/Israel wishful secret plan: use all available means short of genocide to expel the vast majority of Palestinians from Gaza & nuke the remaining ones who refuse to yield. Means like: incentives such as community housing, work, school… elsewhere, contracting siege to force them out, encroaching settlements replacing Palestinians homes, military confiscation, monetary brides or green cards, kidnapping, bombing, constant harrasment…etc. The value here is that it’s easier to deal with a couple hundred thousands than with 2 million, & that it’s possible to deal with the backlash of one but not the other. All in all, this is a delusional plan. All this has already been long implemented in the West Bank & it yielded abysmal results with Palestinians unwilling to leave. It will surely yield null results among Gazans.
• Long term annihilation by subversion. It is shocking to me how UNRWA is portrayed in the US (& the West) as some great humanitarian organization, when its reputation induces repulsion in the Arab world. That until it came out recently that USAID was funding it to promote Feminism & Wokeness & inoculate (sterilize) Palestinians in Gaza. To eventually drive Gazans to depravity & eventually extinction, or at least surrender. The probability of this outcome is virtually null. Not for other than the fact that both the Palestinian resistance & Israel itself are against it, since they figure out that Wokness would just make Palestinians even greater victims than they already are.
• Two state solution: recognize the Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital & the Palestinians right of return. This might actually be the most realistic positive outcome for Israel. Having a stable home, hope, prospects, freedom will make the Palestinians less prone to more conflict, & might even weaken their resolve to take back their land. Then, they would have much to lose than just keep peace, even just temporary, even with the Israelis who took their homes killed their families or expelled their ancestors. The undesirable consequence of this outcome might be the fact that Israel as a state will seek to integrate itself in the region like the Crusader pockets done in the past, & thus ceases to exist as a colonial project serving Western hegemony as a destabilizing agent in the region.
• One state solution: merging occupation territories & Palestenian territories into one nation under the state. The only conceivable form of this solution is something like Bosnia, a confederation, or a one-country two-state solution. This is only possible with a fully integrated Israel in the region completely abandoning its Zionist project. Otherwise only achieved by Israel being conquered. In effect, leaning from past developments & following the current trajectory Palestinian resistance is poised to possess in the not-far future hundreds of thousands of fighters with respectively equivalent arsenal of antitank RPGs & rifles & so forth. Plus, much more advanced drone & rocket capabilities, possibly even air-defense systems..Also, likely thousands of miles of underground tunnels spanning all occupied territories, including Eilat (nuclear depot) & Tel Aviv. An Oct 7 scenario, where instead of capturing the Gaza belt region for a few days, capturing the entirety of Israel forever.
C/C whatever the short-term outcome of this situation is, it is impossible for Israel to survive in the long term. If this was in Albania, the outcome might be dubious. Palestine happens to be the abode of the Holy Land for Muslims & a province of the Arab nation. You would have to get rid of all Arabs & then all Muslims to eliminate any claim or cause to that land. An impossible feat in itself. Whatever the case, Israel is surrounded by half a billion people forever hostile to its colonial presence in the region, who are historically, religiously & politically attached to the land. The Crusaders occupied –back & forth– Jerusalem for 170 years! But were eventually expelled. The moment the power scale equalizes or shifts in favor of Muslims/Arabs, the existence of the polity that is Israel will become transient. My take, Jews who wish to stay in the Holy Land should learn from History, abandon their Zionist project & actually integrate with the locals & become one with them. But I know this is too much to ask. They might be right, maybe God will allow them to build the temple…
- All that is sensational nonsense. He is not going to take Canada, nor Panama, nor Gaza. Never going to happen; ESPECIALLY Gaza. If Israel was winning, it would've never agreed to a ceasefire. They were pushing the ceasefire deal proposed in April hoping the Gazans would surrender come winter. That didn't happen. The fighting just got more intense. What does he actually mean? Maybe it’s just one of his bluffs & fantasies. Maybe it’s a negotiation tactic to pressure Arab countries & the resistance to concede more. Maybe it’s a result of his entourage, since virtually all his family members & all his colleagues are either Jews or married to Jews. & Israel want Gaza! Maybe it’s the imminent implementation of the Zionist project of taking Jerusalem, destroying the Aqsa mosque & building the Temple as prophesied! Or maybe it’s a real imperial urgency the American ruling dynasty sees as the only way to get rid of a serious threat to Israel & their hegemony.
- The whole discussion rests entirely on power dynamics. There will be no talk about Israel existence itself if this was transposed into China for instance, for respective power dynamics makes it unattainable. The current power dynamics dictate that the colonial pocket of Israel is a political reality, for it was successfully inserted in the region by relevant Colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire & the subsequent occupation of the region, directly or indirectly, manifesting in the current regimes surrounding Israel (Jordan, Egypt, Gulf states…).
- What are the facts? Israel deployed 529k personnel to invade Gaza, mobilizing thousands of tanks & armored vehicles & aircrafts, dropping +100k tons of explosives on the strip (which is 200x the intensity of the Vietnam War bombing), with constant supply of armament from the US & Europe worth +$20B (the Iran attack defense alone cost $1B), spending +$70B on this war – to fight a 15k-35k resistance force for 15 months to a standstill! The result? More Hamas fighters now than were before Oct 7 – 20% less tunnels -allegedly- & almost 6k Israeli soldiers dead & 15k wounded (it's likely much higher than that in reality, including the mercenaries & unregistered fighters) – & a prisoner exchange Hamas was seeking since Oct 7.
- Taking Gaza necessarily requires military action, i.e. boots on the ground, since Palestinians are clearly not going anywhere. US direct involvement will do very little to tip the scale of the conflict. The only thing it may cause is more civilian deaths, more -or smaller- rubble, & more Hamas recruits. Although we haven't seen attempts by Gazans to cross the borders south towards Egypt despite all the heavy bombing & fatal lifestyle they suffered, some might be willing to leave if offered a better life with housing & amenities elsewhere. But 'some' is not what Trump & Netanyahu want; they want ALL Palestinians to leave. Even if half leaves & half stays, nothing really fundamentally changes. Even if we assume Palestinians in Gaza are eager to leave, no country would be as motivated to welcome them ALL; for the simple fact that no country wants a potential army of hundreds of thousands on their soil.
- This isn't even guerrilla warfare. It's something entirely new. Gazans under siege for decades came to two realizations early: that the supremacy of US/Israel military is air power, & that the political solution (to achieve a Palestinian state) is a lie –Israel intends to keep them under siege until it can expel them. Acquiring advanced air defense systems being unattainable, they opted to dig tunnels as deep as 200ft underground capable of surviving a nuclear strike; 500 miles of them. Some of these are large enough to fit vehicles & large spaces. They also had to make their own weapons under siege. They built factories underground & used remaining explosives & materials from the occasional Israeli bombings to make RPGs, rockets with ranges up to 150 miles, rifles, drones, ammunitions...etc.
- Whatever side of the isle you're on, these people are very serious about resisting the US/Israeli occupation & gaining their freedom. You don't spend decades digging tunnels deep underground just to be told "leave". Now, Hamas & the other resistance factions have access to +10k tons of unexploded bombs, hundreds of captured tanks & drones, & a very large pool of potential recruits. There are 2 million people living in Gaza, 70% are under 18, & almost all of them lost everything they had –house, relatives, comfort, amenities, health...etc. These people have nothing more to lose. It is not farfetched to believe that the resistance factions might 10x their forces after this. Which means 10x the fighting force, 10x the weapons & 10x the tunnels. The resistance is growing stronger not weaker.
- Arabia, Egypt & Jordan –the object of intended displacement– are not heedless to the fact that US/Israel seek to expand their territory –as always intended– while pushing the conflict occupation vs resistance further away from their borders. Moving the Palestinians, even those willing, to "nicer" places does not magically abrogate their fight to take back their land after 100 years of resistance. In fact, albeit unrealistic, this turn of events might pose an even greater danger to the Israeli colonial project. 2 million Palestinians who just lost their land on top of suffering & losing everything else, who successfully fought Israel with the full backing of the West, might just be as successful in taking over the country they were moved into, say Egypt or Jordan. Unlike in Israel, a resistance force launching a coup against the Egyptian regime, for instance, will not face much resistance from the people, if not the opposite.
- The deep distress among Israelis regarding this situation is understandable, their state may actually be in danger. This might lead to the infamous Samson option. But if the Israelis use nuclear, it is certain that all regional powers will rush to acquire their own as fast as possible. Namely, Turkey, Saudi, & Iran, potentially Egypt, Iraq & Syria as well. The former already have nuclear capabilities for energy use (Saudi in the near future). That outcome alone might actually be more distressing not just to Israel but to the entire West than just having Palestinians in Gaza. Not the least, Israelis themselves, especially those with dual citizenship, will pack their bags & go back to their countries once they learn their neighbors have nuclear weapons. Israel is already experiencing persistent negative migration since Oct 7.
- All that been said, here are some possible outcomes:
• Trump/Israel wishful secret plan: use all available means short of genocide to expel the vast majority of Palestinians from Gaza & nuke the remaining ones who refuse to yield. Means like: incentives such as community housing, work, school… elsewhere, contracting siege to force them out, encroaching settlements replacing Palestinians homes, military confiscation, monetary brides or green cards, kidnapping, bombing, constant harrasment…etc. The value here is that it’s easier to deal with a couple hundred thousands than with 2 million, & that it’s possible to deal with the backlash of one but not the other. All in all, this is a delusional plan. All this has already been long implemented in the West Bank & it yielded abysmal results with Palestinians unwilling to leave. It will surely yield null results among Gazans.
• Long term annihilation by subversion. It is shocking to me how UNRWA is portrayed in the US (& the West) as some great humanitarian organization, when its reputation induces repulsion in the Arab world. That until it came out recently that USAID was funding it to promote Feminism & Wokeness & inoculate (sterilize) Palestinians in Gaza. To eventually drive Gazans to depravity & eventually extinction, or at least surrender. The probability of this outcome is virtually null. Not for other than the fact that both the Palestinian resistance & Israel itself are against it, since they figure out that Wokness would just make Palestinians even greater victims than they already are.
• Two state solution: recognize the Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital & the Palestinians right of return. This might actually be the most realistic positive outcome for Israel. Having a stable home, hope, prospects, freedom will make the Palestinians less prone to more conflict, & might even weaken their resolve to take back their land. Then, they would have much to lose than just keep peace, even just temporary, even with the Israelis who took their homes killed their families or expelled their ancestors. The undesirable consequence of this outcome might be the fact that Israel as a state will seek to integrate itself in the region like the Crusader pockets done in the past, & thus ceases to exist as a colonial project serving Western hegemony as a destabilizing agent in the region.
• One state solution: merging occupation territories & Palestenian territories into one nation under the state. The only conceivable form of this solution is something like Bosnia, a confederation, or a one-country two-state solution. This is only possible with a fully integrated Israel in the region completely abandoning its Zionist project. Otherwise only achieved by Israel being conquered. In effect, leaning from past developments & following the current trajectory Palestinian resistance is poised to possess in the not-far future hundreds of thousands of fighters with respectively equivalent arsenal of antitank RPGs & rifles & so forth. Plus, much more advanced drone & rocket capabilities, possibly even air-defense systems..Also, likely thousands of miles of underground tunnels spanning all occupied territories, including Eilat (nuclear depot) & Tel Aviv. An Oct 7 scenario, where instead of capturing the Gaza belt region for a few days, capturing the entirety of Israel forever.
C/C whatever the short-term outcome of this situation is, it is impossible for Israel to survive in the long term. If this was in Albania, the outcome might be dubious. Palestine happens to be the abode of the Holy Land for Muslims & a province of the Arab nation. You would have to get rid of all Arabs & then all Muslims to eliminate any claim or cause to that land. An impossible feat in itself. Whatever the case, Israel is surrounded by half a billion people forever hostile to its colonial presence in the region, who are historically, religiously & politically attached to the land. The Crusaders occupied –back & forth– Jerusalem for 170 years! But were eventually expelled. The moment the power scale equalizes or shifts in favor of Muslims/Arabs, the existence of the polity that is Israel will become transient. My take, Jews who wish to stay in the Holy Land should learn from History, abandon their Zionist project & actually integrate with the locals & become one with them. But I know this is too much to ask. They might be right, maybe God will allow them to build the temple…
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@Sidewalker
What you are contending requires a direct refutation of the most general principles of most of our physical and biological sciences.
- A mythology needs no assistance of a refutation to be deemed as such. If you disagree, show me how this Evolutionationary tale is, in fact, a scientific theory. One reason is sufficient.
As a unifying theory of biology, evolution holds true.
- It's not unifying Schitt. It's a parasitic narrative sucking the scientific life out of everything it touches. Ew.
Its mechanisms are by no means completely understood and it does not in any way eliminate the mystery of life, question the existence of Allah, or bring into doubt any of the basic tenets of Islam.
- Allah does whatever He pleases. He could've created Life through evolution or otherwise. This does not change the fact that the Evolutionary mythology is a hoax. But you're right, we are 1000 years early to eliminate the mystery of Life. Evolutionation Theory is a mechanical reductionist ad-hoc dumb non-starter cave-man retarded explanation of Life. The view that ducks are elaborate mechanical clocks has been discarded in every field of human endeavour except in this elaborate witch spell of Evolution.
The theory of evolution is the great unifying principle of biology, as powerful a model to biology as Newton's model was to physics.
- Dude, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
The conceptual framework of the theory of evolution makes sense of a profoundly wide range of scientific facts and it does it in a magnificent and comprehensive way. It provides a principle of unity, a framework by which science can attempt to explain, to unify, and to order, a vast amount of disparate data into a consistent whole providing tremendous coherence and clarity.
- If you consider Astrology a consistent whole providing tremendous coherence and clarity to the Cosmos, sure.
To deny evolution you must bring into question the entire interwoven fabric of scientific research.
- Nah. Absolutely nothing that this Evolutionology proposes contributes any value whatsoever –material or scientific– to any discovery, innovation, finding, or human endeavour.
Flat out denial of the theory of Evolution requires the concomitant denial of an astounding range of scientific disciplines, not just the disciplines of geology, paleontology, archeology, radiometric dating, genetics, and zoology but also such fundamental disciplines as physics, astronomy, astrophysics, chemistry, biochemistry, geophysics, biology, botany, microbiology, and meteorology, and many others.
- That is exactly what a mythology looks like. Nothing you have said has any bearing on the truth of said mythology.
Because of the interrelated aspect of the sciences, you can't really propose that the theory evolution is false without being fundamentally anti-scientific.
- You have backwards. Evolutionationists hamper the progress of Science & obstruct new discoveries, because they are not seeking to understand Life & unravel its mysteries, rather they are after confirming their biases. The darwinist looks at life-forms as badly designed machines barely functional, thus assuming their parts to be a priori functionless & obsolete, only there to explain "evolution". This is not just unscientific, it's anti-scientific.
You can contend that the theory of evolution is incomplete, nobody claims it is complete. If you could in fact, deny the theory of evolution, it would, in effect, unravel the world of science.
- Here is a challenge. Show me how this alleged theory is worth a single scientific damn. A scientific theory is a plausible, simple, verifiable, falsifiable & accurate explanation to an observable fact.
• Plausible: intuitive & in harmony with the general scientific narrative.
• Simple: makes less assumptions as opposed to complex.
• Verifiable: fits observable facts.
• Falsifiable: predicts new observable facts
• Accurate: produces minimal statistical margin of error.
And I just don't see why anyone would want to do that. I simply do not see evolution challenging any of the basic tenets of Islam;
- Why do you keep bringing Islam into this? Even the Shahada can not save this Haram myth of a theory.
unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about your contention here. In order to support the belief that evolution is false, you accordingly have to postulate that Allah is deceptive, don't you?You would need to propose that Allah who would create Man with a rational mind, a sense of wonder, and seeking intellect, while creating a universe with the false appearance of tremendous age, with the overwhelming evidence of "evolution" occurring in creation as a hoax or something. This concept of a deceptive Allah is very hard to accept, it strikes me as a much greater challenge to Islam than any damage the concept of evolution could ever hope to do.
- Dude, don't get theological on me. Stick with defending your mythology first. You got any of that "overwhelming evidence"? I just want one.
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@Shila
AI can guess the identity and religious affiliations of the typer.
- I got that. Was meant to be a joke. What exactly is your affiliation??
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@Hero1000
Yes, and Allah highlighted to us our unity with them in monotheism and in believing in the one true God, and ordered us to be kind and generous to them and conduct peaceful dialogue with them, except for those who commit injustice.
- Sure. How is that relevant to what I said?
Given that we're ordered to be generally kind, and to deal with injustice in a case-by-case basis that focuses on the individual's actions.
- When it comes to Law, yes. When it comes to Politics, no. State actions are, by design, collectivist.
I feel like generalizing them, and/or 'othering' them as "this group that is a threat to our society, values and/or future" in a not case-by-case that focuses on the group/demographic, I feel like doing that would only make it more difficult, if not become contradictory, to the set of orders Allah gave us that I mentioned.
- You just need to learn more History. They knows yours & convinced you they have none. You have to come to the realization that different peoples have different origins, identities, histories, national memories, faiths... each are ultimately loyal to their own, & you must be loyal to yours. This does not diminish from the inviolable & dignified quality of humans in general –unless hostile.
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@Shila
The Taliban are a predominantly Pashtun, Islamic fundamentalist group that returned to power in Afghanistan in 2021 after waging a twenty-year insurgency.What is the relationship between Pakistan and the Taliban?During the Taliban insurgency, the Taliban has received substantial financial and logistical backing from Pakistan, which remains a significant source of support. Nonetheless, Pakistan's support for the Taliban is not without risks, as it involves playing a precarious and delicate game.Pakistan’s Support for Survival and Revival of the TalibanPakistan has been intimately associated with the Taliban since its birth in the mid-1990s. The ISI provided support to Mullah Omar when he founded the organisation in Kandahar. It had trained Omar even earlier in the 1980s at one of its training camps for the mujahedin that fought the Soviet occupation of the country. Pakistan was one of only three countries that recognised the Taliban’s Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as the legitimate government of Afghanistan in the late 1990s (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the other two). By 2001, Pakistan was providing the Taliban regime in Kabul with hundreds of advisers and experts to run its tanks, aircraft and artillery, thousands of Pakistani Pashtuns to man its infantry and small units of its Special Services Group commandoes to help in combat with the Northern Alliance. Pakistan provided the oil needed to run the Taliban’s war machine. All of this despite a half dozen United Nations Security Council resolutions calling on all countries to cease aid to the Taliban because it was hosting al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. According to the 9/11 Commission, the ISI had mid-wifed the alliance between Mullah Omar and bin Laden, so it was no surprise that Pakistan ignored the UN.
- Ok. You don't have to keep copy/pasting. You can't learn History in a day...
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@Best.Korea
Its a cruel joke, really.What woman would rather work 10 hours in factory than be with her own children?Besides, once woman is in workforce, she in some cases forgets how to cook or has no time to, which is why kids eat junk food of lower quality.
- Indeed. This is one of the most lamentable & damaging consequences of Feminism. Thousands of years of cumulative generational knowledge lost in one generation because the mother sent her child to school so she can join a workforce. You still have "activists" & NGOs today going to the most remote places in Nepal & Inner Mongolia to "facilitate" female education with the stupidest propaganda. It's ABHORRENT to them to see girls & women working in the service of their families instead of working for a company...
So yeah, I think women in workforce only works short term, but in the long run, it destroys future generations. In order for woman to be in workforce like man is, she must be allowed to have high education, which then delays reproduction.And all the contraceptives and abortions are just the final touch in destroying birth rates. Now you have countries like Japan with birth rates of 0.7. In order to replace population, birth rates must be at least 2.1.
- Good point. Ironically, Japan's male workforce today would've been larger than its current total workforce had Japan not integrated women in the workforce post WWII (a policy forced on them by the US). Even in economic terms, this outcome might have been slightly disadvantageous in the short-term, but it's vastly better in the longer term. Now their population is aging so much, for each 1 working person there are another 2 to care for, old & young.
Many muslim countries have very high birth rates, going from 4 to 6 children per woman.
- Sadly, this is coming to Muslim countries as well. Morocco's fertility is around 1.8...
And because early marriages are common, the new generation arrives faster, is born sooner and thus becomes adult faster.Western countries used to have that too until they decided to flip values and now they have fake morality which is against laws of nature, hence their population now needs to add migrants to itself just to make up for huge population shortages.
- They haven't decided. These things are by design. I will write a post about this.
Yeah, if people fight between each other, even on small issues, they will be less likely to unite against the rulers.
- It has to do more with having homogeneous communities than inter conflicts. A community that shares the same ethnicity, faith, values, language...etc, is like a nation in & of itself. This is unacceptable to the empire. It is easier to rule individuals than nations. States in the past sent armies to ask for higher taxes, today they just get together & decide & there is nothing anyone can do about it. It also has to do with creating a new multicultural societies with no attachments to historical religious or racial identities. A child of an interracial interfaith couple for instance, has no origin outside the state.
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@Shila
The west is more united than the majority of Muslim countries. Look at what is going on in the Middle East and in African Muslim countries.
- You missed the point entirely. The West is not united at all, it's the most disintegrated society in human history. The ruling dynasty of the West is. There is a difference. & these same actors are the ones constantly on the lookout for any attempt at nation building anywhere in the world, including the Muslim world, to strike it down & sew division. Muslims are actually much more united than people in the West, by design. The so-called Muslim countries are for the most part vassal states like Jordan, tributary states like Saudi, or satellite states like Moroccan, to the same empire that rules the West. Almost all these regimes or monarchies are legacies of Colonial power. Those who stray from this, like Saddam or Kaddafi are destroyed.
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@Shila
But why do Muslim countries want each man to keep 4 women at home by marrying them?
- Shila, I can never tell if you are genuinely asking or trying to throw jabs. In Islamic Law, the 4 in question is an upper limit of marital relations a man can have at one time, not an obligation. Beyond such limit, either into extramarital sexual relations or into a fifth marital relation, the man becomes liable to penalty by stoning. In contrast, there is no limit to how many sexual relations one may have in your world, nor are they ever penalized. Having infinitely multiple partners is ok... having infinitely extramarital partners is ok... having mistresses & courtesans is ok... but GOD FORBID! having at most 4 wives equal in rights... – Also, I take it you are Christian. Among the hundreds of men & prophets in the Bible only a handful have one wife... All these are relationships with multiple women, but as long as you avoid calling her 'wive' & instead call her 'mistress' or 'side-chick' or 'friend' or whatever, then it's not scary BAD TERRIBLE PpLyGamY. LOL!
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@Best.Korea
Its hard for west to ever create that.
- Don't assume the elites share the same identity or group loyalty as their subjects. The ruling dynasty of the Western empire & its Jewish kingmaker sub-dynasty both do have Asabiya, that's how they are able to rule. They want everyone else to be individual persons, a nation divided by a million identities: interracial marriages, interracial adoption, non-segregated communities, diverse all-spaces in schools, universities, workplace..., mosaic sexual preferences, multicultural outwardness...etc. That's how they make sure never a community will rise to challenge their power. When Malcolm X fought for equal segregation through armed struggle, they killed him & propped up the "peaceful" MLK instead. Hitler is the biggest example of this, for he was able to unite an entire nation under one Asabiya. But this isn't sustainable.
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@Best.Korea
The only mistake west made is greatly encouraging women to not have kids until 25. All the gay and trans arent the real issue. The real issue for the west is that they reduced their own birth rates by creating mentality where some women dont want kids, some want but start giving birth too late, and some want a limited number kids, like 1 or two. This unnatural system can really only go extinct. The birth rates in western countries are mostly so low that they are forced to import migrants. Nature gave women ability to give birth from age 12 or 13 usually, but somehow western countries think it should be 25.
- It all boils down to Women being in the workforce. This is the greatest qualifier of collapse of birth rates. Anywhere in the world regardless of any other factor, mainstream participation of women in workforce = below replacement birth rates, i.e. extinction. Taking women out of the workforce back to housework means: shorter schooling since higher education is no longer needed ; early marriages since family becomes the primary goal ; lasting marriages since not having responsibilities, relations & security outside the household framework makes puts boundaries against leaving ; more kids since duh ; physically & mentally healthier kids, since the constant presence of the mother with her children is always superior to a stranger's ; more affordable living standard, since all the outsourced household work (babysitting, daycare, takeout, clothing, cooking, cleaning...) is taken over by the wife, better motivated & happier husband, since the service of the wife towards her husband is a constant show of gratitude & respect...etc. <= This is the reason why Feminism is pushed by force onto all nations of the world & also the reason why Taliban banned women from the workforce except in female only spaces, like nurses doctors teachers...etc.
Hence, their 1.6 birth rate. Really, any population which discourages its own reproduction cannot maintain being majority for long.
- It's actually half replacement rate or below among the White populations across the West, sometimes as low as 0.8 & 0.7. The 1.6 is inflated due to immigrant higher birth rates.
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@Best.Korea
Universal laws of nature are survival and reproduction. The ones who survive and reproduce the most end up being in greatest number.
- I like what you said here. Reason why everything about the Western mode of living is unsustainable & will inevitably go extinct. I will add, this ties into the 6 sacred rights in Islam –you can thing of them as universal laws of nature for human society.
1. Faith – to preserve morality, rationality & spirituality on Earth.
2. Life – to preserve the survival of the individual.
3. Reason – to preserve individual free choice.
4. Progeny (family) – to preserve the survival of the species.
5. Property (material wealth) – to preserve the individual's material rights in society.
6. Honor (moral wealth) – – to preserve the individual's moral rights in society.
If either survival either reproduction is harmed, then the group eventually loses its numbers. Well, Darwin did help me understand the laws of nature which are as eternal as laws of universe.
- This isn't Darwin. Survival of the fittest & natural selection are much older ideas than Darwin. His claim is rather biodiversity emerges due to natural selection. Read Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun.
Additionally to survival and reproduction, there is power. The power allows the one who has it to achieve his will. Power is 3rd law of nature.
- I will add, in human society the true source of political power is Asabiya – strong in-group allegiance among a hardened homogenous people. The harsher, more united & more homogeneous the greater their power.
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@Tradesecret
I typed the same thing, I got Islam as an answer. ChatGPT is a Jew playing all sides...
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@Shila
For nearly 20 years, the Afghan Taliban fought a sophisticated and sustained revolt, confronted – at one point – by a United States-led coalition of more than 40 countries in Afghanistan. In that period, Taliban leaders and fighters found sanctuary inside Pakistan across the regions bordering Afghanistan. Taliban leaders also formed a presence in, and links with, major cities in Pakistan such as Quetta, Peshawar and later, Karachi.Many Taliban leaders and many fighters are graduates of Pakistani Islamic religious schools, including the Darul Uloom Haqqania, where Mullah Muhammad Omar, the founder of the Taliban movement, reportedly studied. In Pakistan, the Taliban found an ecosystem fostering organic relationships across the spectrum of Pakistani society, enabling the group to reorganise and initiate a lethal uprising that began around 2003. Without Pakistan’s support and sanctuary, the successful uprising by the Taliban would have been highly unlikely.
- This is barely any truth to this. I have no energy to write an essay about all the histories of these things. What I can say is that this is a world you or the average American know nothing about except the talking points of the CIA concocted narrative. It got to a point where even the liars are starting to believe their own stories; which is, for intelligence purposes, a trap impossible to escape. A good example of this is the utter bewilderment of all US correspondents & officials over the fall of Assad regime. So many layers of so many lies everybody forgot what was really going on.
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@zedvictor4
Nope.I still don't believe anything.Middle Eastern mythological religious baloney was made up 2 to 3 thousand years ago by war mongering ignoramuses.Then it moved eastwards and became warmongering Islamic baloney.Things haven't changed much.But show me GOD in his intergalactic spaceship, and I will take my hat off to it.
- It must just be the low IQ then. Try laying off the drugs.
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@Shila
It was Christians that defeated the Muslim empires .
- So have the Mongols, until they were overtaken again a century later. It has been over a century since the defeat of the Muslim caliphate. Today, power is already shifting fast away from the West. The Muslim world & the West are roughly equivalent in terms of industrial output & native scientific output, except the former is growing at a faster rate, with a much younger & much larger population & resources.
The Jews were nowhere during the growth of the Muslim empires.
- They were integral to the rise of the Christian empires though. From Christopher Columbus who was a Jew, to the kingmakers of the European dynasties starting with the Hapsburgs & recently the Rothschilds with the Windsors & co.
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@IlDiavolo
I'm not saying there is no evolution. What I'm saying is that evolution is not like scientists told us.
- It is not impossible that some type of evolution occurs in species. Does it actually happen? The Evolutionationary mythology certainly does not show any such thing.
By the way, what's up with all the hatred for the Jews? I mean, these people are not trustable but I dont think they deserve to be hated.
- Hate, bate, who cares. Drop the sensationalism. This entire website is strings of designations, "Democrats this" "Republican that" "Christian this" "Muslim that"... the moment I say 'Jew' everybody's got their pants in a wad!
Maybe you're generalizing the behavior of the zionists to all the jewish community.
- I am not generalizing. If I say "the Earth is shaking", I mean there is probably an earthquake on the stop I am standing on, not that the entire planet Earth is shuddering. If I say, "Jews practice usury", I am obviously referring to those among them who do. I will say 'Jew' when I mean Jew, & say 'Zionist' when I mean Zionist.
Well, Christians and muslims have been worshiping extraterrestrial beings all along, like Yahve and Allah who were actually persons of flesh and blood.
- Not true.
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@Best.Korea
I change all the time. But my biggest change is probably discovering the universal laws of nature and starting to work out. Now I have muscles, even tho they are not big.
- What universal laws?
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@Stephen
No. Its just a theory. It remains in the realms of theory and not "mythology".
- The same way Astrology is just a theory of the Cosmos. Both are still mythology, still both are a bunch of myths.
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@Sidewalker
Didn't the Prophet marry two Jewish women?
- Yes. Many prophets were themselves Jews, notably Moses (pbuh) & Jesus (pbuh). And?
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@Hero1000
I feel like we're doing a lot of confusing Jewish people with Zionists here.
- No.
And sure, Jewish people and Christians are heretics and heathens to each other and to us Muslims and vice-versa. But all three of us, true believers at least, are supposed to be brothers in the struggle against human corruption. Should we really focus more on our differences than on what we have in common? The biggest enemy will always be the devil and his influence.
- Our loyalty is with Allah & His prophet (pbuh).
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@Best.Korea
- Cool. Be wary to conflate Afghan Taliban & Pakistan Taliban. The former are Sunni traditional resistance fighters who defeated the US & banned Salafis like ISIS. The latter are Salafi terrorists funded by the US like ISIS. The reason for the confusing naming should be pretty obvious... To be able to put up headlines such as "Taliban bombed a school"...
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@Savant
I mean, they definitely control the weather. Otherwise how do you explain the seven plagues of Egypt?
- That's Moses, descendant of Isaac. Ashkenazis are not descendants of Isaac nor are they Semitic.
But other than that, what's the conspiracy?
- The mainstream Jew conspiracy in the Muslim world is something like the Protocols of Zion. As in, an international Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world through a meticulous plan of national level subversion. Regardless of the veracity or effectiveness of such protocols, the facts remain that Ashkenazi Jews played a significant role in the events of the Islamic world of the past 2 centuries, especially the fall of the Ottoman Empire & rise of Israel.
- Do the Jews rule the world? No. For two reasons:
1. Jews have not actually led any conquests. Conquests are the ONLY qualifier of dominion. The sole reason why the Western Empire is able to exert power over much of the globe today is because it effectively conquered those territories in the near past & have yet to be conquered itself. Jews might have funded a lot of this endeavor, but they made no conquests themselves. Even Israel was handed to them by the British & maintained for them by the Americans.
2. Jews do not possess all the necessary pillars of power. These being: Dominion power (the condition of ruler over subject), Military power (the human force & arms for battle readiness), Monetary power (the fiscal & currency competence), Diplomatic power (the reach of intelligence & leverage). A strong case can be made for Jews having significant monetary power & noticeable diplomatic power on a planetary scale, but not so much for the other pillars. No matter how much wealth you hold, without popular allegiance & military force, any clash with the populace or the ruling dynasty will end in your loss.
- So who rules the world? Civilizational empires. To elaborate, the true source of –political– power is 'Asabiya' (strong in-group allegiance among a hardened people). Conquests are always driven by uncivilized harsh peoples of tremendous homogeneity. Babylon was established by bedouin migrants from Arabia, so was the Assyrian empire & the Islamic empire. The Mongol empire was established by rural tribes from Mongolia. The harsh indignant life Germans suffered post-WWI & their homogeneity is what the 3rd Reich so powerful. Empires rise & fall, either to be replaced by others or be consolidates into others. Eventually, power consolidated into 3 civilizational empires: Western (Christian), Eastern (Sinic), & Middle (Islamic). From the 7th century to the 17th, the Islamic empire was the dominant global power before the shift towards the Western Empire & its subsequent domination. In relative terms, this dominion peaked between WWI & WWII. In absolute terms, an argument can be made for both the decade following WWII pre-1973 or the decade following the Fall of USSR & pre-2008. I don't believe the Indian/Hindu polity or the Russian/Soviet polity have enough historical import to qualify as a civilizational empire. Today, power is shifting again away from the West, & fast. China has already surpassed the West in almost all fields. The Islamic World is currently lagging but catching up at a faster rate. There is virtually no field in which at least one Muslim country excels, including high tech fields such as semiconductors, drones, aerospace...etc. It's only a matter of time before another shift occurs.
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@Reece101
God.. willed.. the.. Quran.. to.. be.. written.. in.. his.. words.. for.. humans.. to.. worship.. him.. through.., saying.. God.. posses.. no.. human.. emotions.. or.. qualities.., is.. an.. obvious.. lie.
- You are supposed to fill in the blanks. Fail.
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