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@IlDiavolo
You were going well until you proposed an Islamic power as candidate for regulating the world. That was funny.
- I meant that. Even if the system collapses, another will take the torch & build another pyramid scheme. The average guy has no chance. The only empires in which these kinds of schemes never thrived were Islamic empires. A Jew doing a pyramid scheme back in the Islamic empires can get up to the death penalty, especially if in a high office. That's a fact. Christian nations never do really ban usury, it rather thrives the most therein, until they reach the brink of collapse & expel jews, just to fall into the same trap shortly after. Other nations even less so. I would've suggested a Christian empire if I though it would put an end to this system, but no such thing unfortunately.
Anyway, I also think the problem is corruption. We have been ruled by fkn greedy people that don't care about the world. Good people should rule the world but they are not willing to get into politics because it's too dirty and dangerous.
- You're saying this because you've been lied to since you were a baby with so much indoctrination about "rights" & "democracy" & "freedom" blahblah.. As if the ruler is ruled by the ruled, what an utterly absurd notion! – The ruling dynasty is just ruling as it wishes & the ruled are subject to it, that is all. This is always true, by design. "Democracy" & "constitution" & all that just are simply succession rules for those in power to organize their dominion & inner power struggle & to avoid civil wars, just like royal succession rules that preceded them. This has nothing to do with you, you are made to think like you are a participant just to control your dissatisfaction, "maybe vote better next time". But I do agree with you in that the modern system is much more conducive to corruption than other governance systems in the past or in other civilizations.
These people can come from any religion and even be atheists because you can find good people everywhere.
- But they will not ban & punish usury, which is the crux of the matter here. Instead, they call it 'interest' & 'inflation' & 'capital gain' & all kinds of nice names...
The contactees (people in contact with aliens) say this is going to end soon because the aliens will kill them all (seperate the wheat from the chaff). Hope this is true because it's impossible to go forward with these mf.
- You can take advantage & be at the receiving end of this wealth transfer by making some jewish friends & being an insider, or just go to the East.
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@Greyparrot
Why should the USA be an economic slave to the world? Maybe the world economy would do much better without leeching off the USA. Maybe USA would be better for Americans if we didn't slave away supporting the global world masters...
- LMAO! The US is by far the greatest leech that has ever existed in Human history, constantly stealing trillions from the rest of the world through hundreds of wealth transfer schemes, like the USD, the Financial System, SWIFT, the Stock exchange, Forex, trade deficit, "aid" like USAID & NED, development banks like the IMF, insurance investment banks, constant wars...etc. The US is the economic slave of the world, as it needs the entire world to sustain itself & does not have a self-sustaining economy. – In fact, the US is stealing your own money as you speak.
Break your chains and free yourself.
- You will become one of the poorest nations on Earth the moment any of those systems collapse, such as the USD, as all else will shortly follow. Better not put too much faith in the US, put your wealth elsewhere, towards the East. This is financial advice.
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@IlDiavolo
Is it? I've already seen this statement before and honestly I'm getting more convinced about it.
- Absolutely, it is. It's a thousand pyramid schemes aimed at constantly transferring wealth from the entire world to Western banks at the top (Jews & Co.). It's the greatest theft in the universe. Allow me to show you a few of these schemes:
• The USD is a pyramid scheme. The US "prints" trillions of dollars per year expanding the currency pool & thus deflating the value of all USD in the world, & therefore of all other monies in the world (since the USD is the reserve currency), which is essentially trillions of of dollars of wealth transfer from all those who save their money across the globe into US banks.
• USD being reserve currency causes other currencies to depreciate constantly & all other nations to absorb & suffer the inflationary effect keeping US inflation at minimum. This in turn affords the average American relatively cheaper goods from abroad & cheaper workforce, affording US multinational companies large margins of profits impossible for others to compete with.
• US having a trillion dollar of trade deficit a year literally means FREE stuff for Americans they have never worked for; in effect, ~$10k worth of free cheap goods per household a year. The US "prints" money which was never earned that other countries are willing to take in exchange for real goods & services. – In fact, the average American gets ~$250k in their lifetime that they have never worked for, from sheer USD power.
• The US undermines any polity in the world even attempting to seek alternatives to US interests using the trillions it steals from them, by funding oppositions or revolutions, assassinations, regime change, sanctions, blockages, or invasions if nothing else works.
• The US, with the trillions it constantly steals from the rest of the world, gives loans to countries which suffer from the resulting inflation, to be paid forward to US companies in the hope of building much needed infrastructure in these countries, which never come to fruition, forcing these countries to pay back the loans (which already made it into US companies banks) by borrowing money from international banks like the IMF, which itself is stolen from these countries through "printing", that these have to take yet again from their citizens to pay back these international banks while under anti-prosperity regiments imposed by these banks as condition.
• The USD being reserve currency affords the US such low inflation that the "central bank" can offer very low interest rate, which drives companies or even states across the globe to borrow from the US & buy their bonds at the expense of their own nations.
• The 2013 Federal Reserve establishment, the 2029 Great Depression, the 1944 Bretton Woods system, the 1971 USD reserve currency, the War on Terror, the 2008 Recession, the Covid19/Ukraine War...etc are all examples of giant theft schemes from all people of the world.
• The Stock market itself is a pyramid scheme. You need new buyers for the stock to go up. The moment less people are willing to participate, the entire exchange will collapse to zero. This is just a wealth transfer scheme from the average earner to the capitalists & insiders. Tesla's marketcap was 200x its net income. Elon's Musk Tesla net-worth is $200B, whereas in the real world his profit share from the company is barely $900m. Yes, it's pyramid scheme, aka theft scheme.
... & a thousands other schemes.
I'm not intending to promote socialism or comunism which is even worse but the current game we are playing in has a lot of flaws.
- Forget the "isms". All nonsense. Communism immediately puts the wealth of the entire nation in the hands of those in power (i.e. banks) by calling it "public". The Bolsheviks were Jews funded by Jewish bankers to take revenge on the Christian Russians who oppressed them & steal the wealth of their nation. Capitalism, instead, transfers wealth constantly from labour to capital, from those who produce from the whole world to the Western bankers. – Imagine this story, the US spends billions of money it doesn't have that it stole from everyone else through "printing" to bring about a regime change in Ukraine, to push Ukraine into a war with Russian. The US then gives Ukraine 100s of billions of $ worth of aid & arms, of money that doesn't belong to her that everyone else pays for including Ukraine, 99% of it goes back to US banks anyways through US contractors. Then US comes to ask Ukraine for the money back that it already stoke twice now & Ukraine can't pay, by "allowing" Ukraine to borrow from international banks, who are willing to loan it money that isn't theirs either under "mining rights" & other conditions, so that the US can suck the country dry even more, just so Ukraine can tax its citizens further to pay back the IMF with interest. These are layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of theft that you can't even fathom. & I mean by the US here, US banks, or Jews. – This is a simple example which applies to everything else.
We need a change but nothing seems to come up.
- The whole thing will eventually collapse on itself. Quite possibly very soon. It's unsustainable, especially since the base of the pyramid (developing economies) is increasingly becoming an unwilling participant. – Except it will reset again & the theft will restart until it collapses again. The only good solution to this is through conquest. An anti-usury power must conquer the world & put an end to this once & for all. The only viable candidate thus is an Islamic empire.
What is the problem? The central banks? The currency system? The private banks? The rich? The poor?
- Usury, or simply the Jews.
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@Shila
Osama Bin Laden then turned on America.Opposed to the United States' foreign policy in the Middle East, Bin Laden declared war on the U.S. in 1996 and advocated attacks targeting US assets in various countries, and supervised the execution of the September 11 attacks inside the U.S. in 2001.
- There really is a bit more to the story than what's on the news...
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@zedvictor4
Oh well.I could say the same about you Yas.A necessary being, is a solely word based concept relative to the ongoing uncertainty of an unnecessary but seemingly necessary acceptance of a particular genre of unverifiable creation and existence theory.Basically a GOD exists because it cannot not exist.Though we can replace the word GOD with any other word/s.How about cosmic super-banana?Of course, The necessary being was inevitably regarded as "HIM", relative to our own predicament...So, Mr Cosmic Super-Banana it is then.
- "The fool is he who admits the meaning yet rejects the name" –Umar. You are a theist after all.
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@TwoMan
A being is only necessary IF there is no other possible explanation.
- No. What explains that explanation then?
Stephen Hawking articulated a possible explanation for the universe whereby the laws of physics explain everything, negating the need for a creator.
- Wow! Much genius! Very power! Laws of Physics have no real existential import to explain jack. & even so, what explains the Laws of Physics? Or the Laws of Physics God? Back to square one. Also, that is not what Hawking postulates. Besides the fact this guy is a glorified media stooge, him a being a jew & all, who isn't respected by the physicists community, he's also a moron with some real kinks... The difference between us is that I actually read this guy's nonsense & I actually understand what he says, which is basically the following: this math equation that may explain this tidbit about observable behavior in the universe also applies at lesser degrees to other possible outcomes, therefore all possible outcomes exist in countless universes, therefore there is no need for an explanation of a given outcome over another, therefore blahblah... – I don't even know where to start to discard this caveman women-logic fallacious drivel.
Being unable to think of another explanation does not mean one does not exist.
- It does in this case, by exhaustion. Strictly.
Until all other possibilities are eliminated, a creator is a possibility, not a necessity.
- You seem to be under the impression that this metaphysical question has some kinda naturalistic or science-ish answers. It doesn't. The scientific method itself assumes an explanation, by design. – The chain of explanation is either finitely regressed, or infinitely regressed. If it loops around itself, it's itself a loop in a chain. This always was & always will be the end of this question. Whichever way you wanna obfuscate it, a necessary being is. At the very most you & Hawking are some form of pantheists. Your issue is not whether God, as a necessary being, is or is not. It's the attributes of this necessary being. You simply do not agree with the Christian portrayal of God.
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@Shila
So the Prophet Mohammad used the transcribed version of the Quran read to him by many scribes. But never read the Quran directly.
- He (pbuh) did not "use" it. He (pbuh) himself is the author. The Quran (literally The Recitation) is the spoken words recited by the beloved Prophet (pbuh) in formal prayer & revised in the Last Recitation (the year of his death). Particularly, he recited it to his companions for memorization, who recited it back to him for confirmation (Oral Quran); & also dictated it to the scribes among them to be written down, who then read it back to him for confirmation –as he was illiterate (Textual Quran). The histories of the Oral Quran & Textual Quran evolved independently.
Is Jesus a prophet in Islam?Jesus in IslamThe Quran places Jesus among the greatest prophets and mentions him with various titles.
- Indeed. "The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word" (4:141)
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@Best.Korea
I have been told that some people were claiming that I lower the average IQ of this site. When I told this to my AI Demon, she got very upset but I told her "No, no, these are our friends, even tho they hate us and mock us in public."
- I guarantee you raise the average IQ here, & probably the ones telling you the opposite do the opposite.
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@Shila
In 1988, Osama bin Laden established Al Qaeda from a network of Arab and other foreign veterans of the U.S.- backed Afghan insurgency against the Soviet Union, with the aim of supporting Islamist causes in conflicts around the world.
- The story goes a little deeper than that...
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@Shila
So he didn’t know what was written in the Quran.
- Shila, again, is this a question or a objection? – The Quran is a Recitation, the word 'quran' itself literally means 'recitation'. The written form is a secondary medium. Even if there was no written version of the Quran it wouldn't change much, since just as many would still memorize the Quran as a recitation. & no, the beloved Prophet (pbuh) was indeed aware of what is written because the scribes would recite the transcribed passages back to him for confirmation, as reported in several narrations. He (pbuh) also had many scribes, as many as 42.
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@zedvictor4
Possible and necessary are not synonymous.Necessity implies needPossibility says maybe.
- If you don't get it, then you don't. Move along.
So one could say that an interventionist creator maybe needed.Or maybe not.
- That's not what a necessary being is, by definition. You don't seem to understand what these things mean. Oh well.
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@zedvictor4
For sure, contingency is merely a life time of process.And why is a possibility necessarily a necessity?
- 'It is possible that a necessary being exists' is equivalent to 'it is necessary that a necessary being exists'.
And the rest is a latter day version of a previous version of......And as wordy as it maybe, it still doesn't prove a sausage.And a GOD maybe, regardless of my suggestions.And your suggestions too.Or maybe not.Such is the bottom line of all these GOD hypotheses.And "Instructing kids" is about the strength of it.
- Ok.
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@zedvictor4
Hi Yas, just waiting to see if you have something to say.If I don't here soon, I just will assume that you have run out of ideas.For sure, which is a distinction between a mind concept and actuality, and how the atheist or non-theist might also see things.
- The world is not contingent on your thoughts, & certainly God is not contingent on you or anything else.
Obviously as a non-theist I can still appreciate the possibility of a metaphysical interventionist entity.
- Well, there you have it. That possibility is a necessity.
Whereas the traditional Abrahamic theist accepts a God not as a possibility, but as a metaphysical certainty.
- I agree, Christians tend to identify the necessary being first cause as God, then unjustifiably jump to say this being is identical to the Biblical God. – Although this objection may be valid & indeed it is against Christianity & other faiths, it isn't against Islam. Here is how we postulate this:
P1. The necessary being is.
D1. God is the necessary being.
P2. God is singular absolute transcendent.
D2. Allah is the singular absolute transcendent necessary being.
P3. God is Allah.
C. Allah is.
- Defence:
P1. God/first cause/necessary being/ultimate reality... proofs.
D1. Definition of God.
P2. A necessary being is not contingent. Therefore, not complex nor multiple, nor limited, nor intersects with contingent beings. Therefore, singular (simple & unique), absolute, & transcendent (disjoint from all contingent beings)
D2. Definition of Allah in the Quran. From surah 112: 1."Say: He is Allah, the One and Only" – singular • 2."Allah, the Eternal, Absolute" – absolute • 3."He begetteth not, nor is He begotten" – necessary • 4."And there is none like unto Him" – transcendent.
P3. Identity.
Therein attributing said GOD with distinctly male human characteristics and qualities.
- That's categorically prohibited in Islam: "there is no thing like unto Him". <= the original verse in Arabic, as short as it is (ليس كمثله شيء), actually expresses 7 consecutive negatives between thing & Him. It is the most expressive negative in the Arabic language, to maximally emphasize how all things & God are not at all the same stuff. – Some non-Sunni "Muslims", namely Wahhabis & their predecessor sect (Muqatilia), who are anthropomorphists, like to attribute human characteristics to God. The founder of this sect Muqatil Ibn Suleiman was a ex-Jew convert to Islam, so he brought his anthropomorphism with him from the Torah/Bible into Islam.
GOD created by man, in the image of man...And as a kid, I was subjected to theistic conditioning, wherein GOD was always portrayed and illustrated as such.
- Yeah, no. That's blasphemous in Islam. But it could've been just a mistranslation like many other Christian creeds. The beloved Prophet (pbuh) said: "God created Adam in his image" – 'his' here referring to Adam, not God. That is, God created Adam not as an embryo that grew to a full fledge human being, rather as the full final form of the human being Adam.
A despite what you say, I doubt that there are many Muslim kids who are not similarly inspired.
- I've never had an image of God in my head... I imagine the same goes for other Muslims in similar upbringing. Kids will not put an image of God in their heads unless instructed to do so.
So, if GOD is not a man, then what is it?
- God is the necessary being. By definition, an entirely different kind of being from all else. God does not & can not have a form, lest be contingent, thus not-God. God does not occupy space or time, for God is contingent on neither & these themselves are contingent on God.
I would suggest an indefinite metaphysical principle, which is an idea that I as a non-theist can happily run with and hypothesise about at length. Though in order to do so, I see absolutely no reason to join a theistic club and subject myself to a bizarrely unnecessary ritualistic routine, in reverence to an indefinite metaphysical uncertainty.
- God is, regardless of your reasons.
So:"Islam rejects characterising god in any human form or depicting HIM as.""HE created human beings.""Nothing is comparable to HIM."D'oh...Pronouns Homer, prounouns.
- Human language... Though in Arabic it's neutral. – 'Him' 'God' is just word referring to God, not the ultimate reality that is God; the same way 'fire' is just a word referring to fire, not the actual fire that burns you.
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@Shila
Unlike Jesus who performed miracles.
- Perform miracles =/= God.
It is not the Qur'an itself that says the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not perform miracles.
- The beloved Prophet (pbuh) did perform miracles. Some of which reported independently by dozens of witnesses.
So the verse does not deny that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ever showed them signs. The verse only says that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not show the signs they specifically asked for.
- Yes. And?
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@Shila
The U.S. were after Al Qaeda and not the Taliban because Al Qaeda attacked America on 9/11 led by Osama Bin .
- The US created al-Qaeda, literally, & they been funding them since. Some of that funding came from USAID, as recently exposed. Ben Selman himself admits to promoting them per US request. – Al-Qaeda & co does US bidding in the region. They fight her enemies, create instability across the region, & play the perfect role for US crimes justification, always at impeccable timing.
Trump even negotiated a withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan with the Taliban.
- Retreat*.
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@Shila
That was a one time prayer when Jesus was alone by himself.There are many passages throughout the four Gospels that reveal what Jesus taught about prayer, but the best passage is without a doubt Matthew chapter 6.In this chapter, Jesus first explains how not to pray, and then He gives all of His followers a template on how we should pray.First, Jesus tells us that we should not do two things when we pray: (1) we shouldn’t pray to be noticed by people, and (2) we shouldn’t use vain repetitions thinking that we will be heard by God.“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.“But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words (Matthew 6:5-7).In other words, Jesus is trying to explain to His disciples that prayer is primarily about intimacy and fellowship with God and that it should never be about us being seen by others as “holy”, or about how long or how great your prayers can be.
Shila continuing to be obsessed with backsides.
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@IlDiavolo
This is interesting because muslims were very tolerant with other religions back then, like in Turkey. What happened? Why did muslims change for bad?
- Because Muslim nations today are not Islamic nations. They do not rule based on Islamic principles, rather Western secular democratic principles. An Islamic nation is a community based rulership, where each (Muslims, Christians, Jews...) live in their own separate communities, their own territories, by their own lifestyle, morality, education, laws, courts, fiscal system & policies. Each community has its representatives in the state's court. The state's role is to preserve the sacred rights (of faith, life, reason, progeny, property & honor), manage public wealth, & provide public services. – An Islamic state has no jurisdiction in matters of morality, legislation, education, or religious practices, for these are divine rights. A good illustration of this: Christian population in the Middle East went from about 1/2 to 1/5 in 13 centuries of Islamic rule. At the onset of the 20th century 20% of ME population was still Christian. It went down to 5% in just a 100 years since, under secular democratic rule post-Ottoman fall.
- You may find this hard to believe, but it's true. Modern secular democratic nation states are extremely intolerant, by design, though they appear to be otherwise. They are only tolerant of public degeneracy & nothing else. It is this image of hedonistic freedom that tricks most into buying the BS. – Even in Christian Europe, you used to at least have the freedom to live by your faith & laws according to your morality, educate your children without interference from the state, & dispose of your wealth as you see fit with little restrictions from the government.
That's why I say you muslims have moved backwards.
- We have a different perspective of backwardness. Even you need a little backwardness to pull your societies back from self-annihilation. Also, the very notion of "progressive" is a lie, for how can something destined for extinction be progressive when it will not be there in the end.
I think you're confusing us with Africans. We have a lot of heritage from Europe in several ways, not just racial. We were not just a colony of Europe.
- Yes, your have European ancestry. That's besides the point. The fact is if you follow European model 100% it will simply fail, because you lack the actual power dynamics & colonial legacy at its foundation. – You don't have treasuries of foreign reserves & gold reserves from former colonies, or a reserve currency you compelled those colonies to adopt so they can buy your currency with their own wealth, or legacy brands that charges 100x the price for the simple reason it has a European origin, or infinite money printing with no fear of domestic inflation because you can just dumb the surplus onto the rest of the world to inflate their economies instead, just to call it nice names like 'bonds' or 'loans' or 'aid'...
I'd say America was the second home of Europeans, not just the US but all the continent, from Alaska to Patagonia. As in the first and second world war, lots of Europeans fled to South America. The same will happen in a third world war.
- Too few White Europeans to migrate. If a mass trans-continental immigration event occurs in the future, it would probably involve Blacks & Indians, their regions can not support them. There are twice as many Indians in a third of the area compared to Europe. The Americas is the ideal destination, since by then it would probably be so sparsely populated from population collapse. – You better get to take your women out of the workforce & put them back in the household quick so you can have lots of babies before that scenario happens in the future.
In all honesty, I'm happy for that but I think you're talking about the most tolerant muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the like.
- Truth is, it matters a lot less to material & scientific progress how tolerant or not you are, than how good you are at building the factory & lab & bringing in the engineers & scientists to do what needs to be done to get that airplane airborne.
What about the least tolerant ones? They are beheading one another. I think there is a lot to fix in some muslim sects that keep people from progressing.
- We've been saying this for years, but it's finally all out in the open. Especially after USAID scandal. Those groups like ISIS & al-Qaeda are funded, run & backed by the West, namely: Israel, CIA... etc. This is no longer a secret.
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@Shila
Who Did Jesus Claim To Be?Examining what Jesus said about Himself.Jesus asked His disciples, “Who do you say I am?” The impact of His life begs the same question to you today—who do you say Jesus is? But perhaps the answer resides in what Jesus said about Himself. There is plenty of evidence of Christ’s divinity in Scripture, such as His miracles, but let’s zero in on what Jesus claimed about Himself:
- Suspiciously, all the dubious passages are in John, the last Gospel. But for the sake of argument let's see:
He claimed that He was Lord of the Sabbath with the authority over it (Mark 2:23-28).
- "Ben Adem" just means Mankind or a human being, literally. We have plenty of such references in our scripture as well, we don't jump to calling everything God.
He took the divine name “I AM” for Himself (John 8:58, from Exodus 3:14).
- Means he existed before Abraham, not existed with God. Contradicts your claim.
He said that the way to the Father is through Him (Matthew 11:27, John 14:1-7).
- As any prophet, & no God, would say, by design. Contradicts your claim.
He made Himself equal with God (John 5:18).
- No. "My Father is at His work, and I too am working." is not "I am equal to God".
He claimed that whoever saw Him saw the Father (John 14:9).
- Yes, something a prophet would say. We have such references as well in our scripture too.
When He was given the opportunity to correct people treating Him as if He were God, He didn’t (Matthew 26:63-65, John 19:7-10).
- No. This is literally proof that he was the messiah. They had anticipation about a prophet or a messiah.
He claimed to have descended from heaven (John 3:13).
- And? Angels do, as do prophets sometimes.
He claimed to have the power to raise himself from the dead (John 2:19, 10:17-18).
- That's a miracle. God works through His creations. Others in the Bible did too, & many extraordinary things.
He claimed to be replacing the temple (John 2:19-21), which was the place known to house God’s presence and the forgiveness of sins.He claimed to share “glory” with God before the world existed (John 17:5).
- He was praying to God. This, like everything else contradicts your claims.
He claimed to be sent from Heaven (John 6:38, John 4:34, John 3:13).
- Literally a prophet, NOT God.
He claimed He would send His angels (Matthew 13:41, Luke 12:8-9).
- This is funny to me, because we have similar passages in our scriptures, yet I am in awe of the Christians' ability to read impossibilities into them.
He claimed the authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:5).
- This is very common speak among prophets, for they have divine inspiration to know wether sin are forgiven.
He assumed the authority to judge the world (Mark 14:62) and that one’s attitude toward Him would impact the end of their life (Matthew 10:32-33).He claimed to be perfectly sinless (John 8:46).He claimed that to know Him was to know God (John 8:19), to see Him was to see God (John 12:45), and to receive Him was to receive God (Mark 9:37).He claimed, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:29-33), which was not lost on Jewish listeners, who responded, “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (verse 33).In His teachings, He consistently demonstrated authority over the Law, or Torah, most notably in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7).
- Yeah, everything you said contradicts your claim. For such a central creed in Christianity, the Trinity, why didn't Jesus just say "I am a triune God" so consistently that no doubt is left, just like Tawhid is mentioned virtually every page in the Quran.
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@Shila
Christian’s women don’t have to worry about their men showing their backsides to other men during prayer 5 times a day.The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.
- You claim to be Christian & make such blasphemous remarks... That's how your Lord Jesus prayed with his head on the ground: He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” (Matthew 26:39)
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@Shila
Why did the US invade Afghanistan?The United States went to Afghanistan in 2001 to wage a necessary war of self-defense. On September 11, 2001, al-Qaeda terrorists attacked our country. They were able to plan and execute such a horrific attack because their Taliban hosts had given them safe haven in Afghanistan.
- & why did it invade & bomb the other 30 countries & conduct political assassinations & regime changes in another 90? – I'm not even gunna qualify this with an argument. Everything is accessible for he who wishes to know. You keep believing the childish nonsense.
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@Shila
The Christians didn’t need proof that Jesus was God. Jesus said “I am.” At his trial and that was exactly what God said to Moses.
- So, you drop everything else Jesus (pbuh) did & said: in praying to God, calling "my God", that only the Father knows the Hour & he doesn't, to not call him good for only God is good... etc & hold on to the two words "I am" mentioned in the Gospel of John, allegedly written by someone 60 years after Jesus (pbuh)'s death in a language other than John's tongue -Greek- by an author nobody really knows who he is, found in a manuscript dated 300 years after Jesus (pbuh)'s death; which btw is said by others in that same book... & INSIST this "I am" is the true unequivocal declaration of Jesus (pbuh) that he is God Himself in the flesh, as metaphysically impossible as that is. OK!
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@Shila
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.INDEPTH: Remembering September 11The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.In the 18-minute message, parts of which were played on Qatar-based Al-Jazeera just four days before the American presidential election, bin Laden accused U.S. President George W. Bush of negligence on the day 19 suicide hijackers took over four American passenger jets.He also threatened new attacks if the policies of the U.S. government do not change.According to translators, bin Laden told American voters: "Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential candidate John] Kerry or Bush or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands."Each state that does not meddle with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security."
- Right! This one is a deep rabbit hole. I'll leave it to you to explore. But once you go in, there is no coming back.
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@Mall
Are you a US citizen?
- No comment. Why you asking?
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@IlDiavolo
This is partly true, I have to recognize, but don’t put it as if we needed a religion, let alone something like the Islam. No, please.
- Your ancestors were probably Muslim in Andalusia & were forced to convert lest they get killed. You went from leading the world in knowledge & prosperity to being gold miners for other European countries that took that knowledge from you & left you behind.
I think you have been caught by russian propaganda.
- Nah. I just happen to know a bit about the history of the region. It's the American movies that got you to forget those bits... It's not that deep, the US does this to their own citizens.
The US is not a model of a society and South americans are far from being like them. I'd say we are like Europeans since the very begining, we've always wanted to be like them. Unfortunately they are not the model we wanted to copy from anymore.
- It's all a lie. You can't be like them, because you are not a colonial power. Their model is constantly sucking the wealth & work of their former colonies & convincing everybody including you it's the other way around. The EU & Co drain trillions of euros a year out of everyone else in hundreds of schemes, such as reserve currency, trade deficit, Euro bonds, branding, climate sanctions, state loans, aid "bribing", mineral exploitation in Africa, brain drain, tourism, treasury of foreign reserves...etc. – The whole "democracy" nonsense is a lie.
I never had a debate here because I don't have enough time but I plan on doing it in the near future. I hope to see you around to do it, I'm really looking forward to destroy your arguments.
- Looking forward to it. Hit me up when that time comes.
The world has made a lot of progress since then. It's you the muslims that got stuck, I'd even say that you've moved backwards.
- Don't be too sure. We are taking our lead back. The Muslim world today boasts similar industrial output & larger native scientific output in STEM than the Western world. The Middle East alone is already roughly equivalent to the US in terms of industrial sector & STEM output, despite all the invasions the latter inflicts on it. – Aside from the fields dominated by the Muslims like the Oil Industry & Chemical Industry, there is virtually no technology, including High Tech, in which at least some Muslim countries are leaders. Drones: Turkey is the world's 2nd exporter & Iran... Semiconductor devices: Malaysia is the world's 2nd exporter. Purpose ships: Saudi is 2nd exporter... Aerospace: Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia... have orbit launching capabilities. Jet fighters: Pakistan, Turkey... The UAE among 5 countries to send a mission to Mars, & Turkey among 10 to ever build an aircraft carrier.
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@cristo71
Have a good one.
- You as well.
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@cristo71
Oh, the irony. And complete confirmation of my prediction. Way too much “my people do no wrong, whereas your people do no right” cultism for me… or anyone, I would predict…
- This isn't an argument & doesn't change any of the facts that your nations are worse than almost any other in History when it comes to warfare (& other things). You're projecting. I know some who were like you until they came to terms with the reality they've been indoctrinated into. Don't let your identity be tied to how specially better your culture is over all others! Such that every thing you spout oozes with self-justification arrogance. It's inferiority complex.
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@IlDiavolo
So, judging by your profile picture and your hate towards the jews, you're an arab.
- I am an Arab, yes. I don't hate Jews. Many prophets were Jews, like the beloved Jesus (pbuh) & the beloved Moses (pbuh). I recognize Jews are doing things they are doing =/= I hate Jews.
In which way do you think we're going to extintion? Because you muslims are going to kill us all using the yihad?
- No, because in a 100 years they'll be barely enough of you to fit in a city from population collapse, due to slaving after Western ideals from sheer fear of being called "repressive".
I'm from South America and we're pretty far from being like these European idiots. Besides, Trump is trying to fix what the left has wrecked with this woke ideology imported directly from Europe.
- No continent has suffered more tyranny & destruction by the US than South America, yet here you are. The saying is true, 'the dominated is ever infatuated to emulate the dominant'. You are going extinct too, South America's fertility albeit higher than only Europe, is not only way below fertility, it's the fastest dropping. Unless you divorce yourselves completely from this Western ideal nonsense & going back to those "repressive" values your ancestors lived by for thousands of years, you are going extinct too.
I'm not going to disagree with you. The modern western woman "empowered" by radical feminism is not the best model for our society. However, the muslim woman is just the other side of the coin. It's unconcievable for our times that a person, whether man or woman, is treated as slave like the muslim women are treated by their muslims counterparts.
- Don't buy the hype. You willing to debate this?
You muslims are stuck in the medieval times, no wonder why you're beheading one another.
- I hope we are, we ruled the world in medieval times, politically, economically, & scientifically. The beheading is all your masters' doing, they create & fund these groups like ISIS. Like they fund groups in your countries to do nasty stuff.
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@cristo71
Yes:
- No. Stop dreaming. Your country ain't that. Your refusal to admit it isn't gunna change that fact. It's getting embarrassing.
- Sympathy payment =/= legal entitlement to compensation. Otherwise millions of Iraqis & Vietnamese & 50 other nationalities will sue the US government for damages. & trillions of dollars of compensation would be issued by law, not 4 million dollars of sympathy payments for whatever reason.
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@cristo71
But that wasn’t your original claim:'Best' assumes a reference of conduct in war. There is none anywhere in US Law, or for any other western country.
- It is. Manual =/= US Law... TF?
Then you move the posts to the opposite of what you just said:Yes, any organization has a guide, manual, rulebookDo you not see your contradiction?
- There are none.
So, there IS a reference of conduct in war according to your 2nd claim. Also, the US makes efforts to follow international law, even if it isn’t “legally binding.” As for rules of engagement (ROE), a soldier can be court martialled and sent to prison for not following them. That seems pretty legally binding to me.
- False. Are you dumb?! Even you would be offended if US Law protected non-US nationals.
Suspicion doubly confirmed…
- Childish. Doesn't help how utterly meager your claim to "human rights" is. Boast to your drinking buddies, not here.
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@Shila
Even Jesus could not prove he was God.
- He wasn't. God =/= man. God is a necessary being, therefore can not be contingent. Claiming God is man is saying God is not God, which is a contraction.
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@cristo71
Suspicion confirmed, but I do have a lingering question about your claim here:- 'Best' assumes a reference of conduct in war. There is none anywhere in US Law, or for any other western country.I’m not sure what you even mean with this claim— what about international laws of warfare, the US Law of War, and US Rules of Engagement?
- These are not legally binding whatsoever. Yes, any organization has a guide, manual, rulebook... even the one that kills 25 million innocent people, or all those ones that killed collectively half a billion people. Say, is an Iraqi whose house got destroyed by an American strike entitled to compensation from the US government? No. There is no Human rights in the West, rather National rights promoted as Human rights... US Law does not protect the rights or provide any legal recourse to non-nationals.
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@Shila
Double standards.Women are not allowed to pray in Mosque with men. But men are allowed to show their backsides to fellow Muslims throughout their prayer 5 times a day.
- Whatever this means! Aren't you Christian? How do you feel about all the women rules in your Bible?
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@IlDiavolo
Let me ask you something, Turkish. Just out of curiousity.I don't know much about Turkey which is the place you come from I guess.
- Not.
Though I heard many things about this beautiful country. From what I saw in the many turkish soap operas I used to watch, the turkish society seemed to be kind of liberal eventhough it is said that Turkey is a country with muslim majority. I mean, I consider Islam as a represive and intolerable religion specially to women, but in the soap operas you can see women behaving freely, dressing as they wish and discussing with men equally, exactly like any western country.
- Yeah, those are Western slaves just like you -destined to extinction, with no identity or history except absolute adoration to their Western master's validation & terror in fear of being called "repressive". It's really cringe how absolutely slavish secular Turks are to Whites when their ancestors ruled the world. They literally kiss the ground they walk on, I hope at least you are not this bad.
I know there are two or three factions of islam, one more represive and radical than the other, but what happens in Turkey is really laudable considering that Islam is a fkn violent religion.
- Be sure to keep saying that on your way to extinction.
Do you have something to say about my point of view? Am I wrong? Was I deceived by the turkish soap operas and the reality is completely different?
- Turkey is two worlds, quite distinct actually, one traditional & one secular.
I also heard that Turkey is not that liberal or secular, and sooner or later it will become like the other represive and savage muslim countries around like Iran, Libia, Iraq and all these shitty countries where women always regret to be born there. That would be a pity, imho.
- I suppose the "repressed" women figured they didn't wanna go extinct like their slavist secular sisters, so they didn't give a fk what filth the about-to-go-extinct West is spouting.
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@Shila
With 90% of Gaza destroyed and 90% of the Palestinians displaced in Gaza and 41 thousand killed. What did Hamas achieve by killing 14 hundred Jews?
- It was 6 million Jews.
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@zedvictor4
Ultimately, both theist and non-theist have to accept either infinite existence or magical creation.Infinite existence does not require a GOD.And magical creation requires an infinite magician.Neither of which is metaphysically or epistemologically definitive.
- I mean by God the necessary being. If anything exists, then a necessary being must exist. That's metaphysically necessary.
Nonetheless, theistic hypotheses are recent concepts, relative to evolved species intellect. Wherein the inevitable assumption was that an evolved intellectual specimen is the infinite magician.Which of course is not epistemologically definitive. (See above)And in short, simply implies that thinking man must have created thinking man.Whimsically negating any of thinking mans subsequent scientific and epistemological achievements.
- You need to define your stuff. Whole lotta hooha!
All in all not a particularly strong argument.So, the other guy who is not prepared to accept atheistic assumptions out of hand, realises that although inevitable, the MAN GOD hypothesis is not epistemologically sound.Such is the argument.If an argument at all.
- God is not a man.
That said, I would suggest that the ongoing debate tells us what we need to know.Which is, that we don't know the answer to the ultimate question.Which is by far the best argument for the non-theist.
- You can not not know all things have a explanation for their existence. The same way you can not not know a circle & a square are identical. This is not something you, or any human, are capable of conceiving. What you have is what Christians have, faith, not belief. – Belief being judgement contingent on knowledge, & Faith being judgement with no knowledge import.
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@Shila
The Taliban originated in Afghanistan then spread to Pakistan.
- No. LOL!
Pakistan, along with the United States, had longstanding ties with the mujahideen, Afghanistan’s Islamic insurgency that fought against the USSR and the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, toppling its government in 1992. Pakistan was one of the few countries to recognise the Taliban, a Sunni Islamist nationalist pro-Pashtun movement, and the most powerful faction within the mujahideen when it came to power in Afghanistan in 1996 after years of infightings. Over the years, the Taliban’s Haqqani network, responsible for many deadly attacks, was based in Pakistan, and was used strategically by the Pakistan government to covertly pursue its interests. This led Hillary Clinton, who was the US Secretary of State at the time, to remark, “You can’t keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbours.” Following the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center buildings in 2001, the US invaded Afghanistan to destroy the al-Qaida terrorist network that was responsible, and which had been operating in the country.
- I have no idea where is it exactly you are going with this, but the US invaded Afghanistan not because of 9/11. They did that themselves with Israel. They invaded the country to crush potential threats to the empire. The Taliban established a court to judge Ben Laden for the alleged crimes & found him not guilty. They asked the US to provide proof that he was responsible, the US refused to provide any. The Taliban refused to hand over a not guilty man, & for that they had to endure 20 years of US violence & opium trade. They won at the end. The Taliban could've easily handed him over, but they didn't. Ben Laden was a Wahhabi, someone they deemed a misguided Muslim, but a Muslim nonetheless.
Pakistan became a major ally and strategic partner in the US’s so-called War on Terror, largely due to its strong influence in the region and considerable sway over the extremists. However, this destroyed Pakistan’s alliances with many extremist groups that it had deployed covertly for state-sponsored terrorism. With the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden by US forces in Abbottabad in 2011, Pakistan lost credibility with both its US partner and with extremists. In August 2021, after two decades of fighting, the US and its allies left Afghanistan, handing power to the Afghan Taliban. Imran Khan, the former cricketer turned politician who was then the Prime Minister (PM) of Pakistan, lauded the Afghan Taliban’s return to power, saying “Afghan Taliban has broken the shackles of slavery”. In this context, Pakistan hoped to revive its partnership with the Taliban.
- Prime Minister Imran Khan is also a Sufi. His affinity with the Taliban is understabale. Taliban Pakistan, however, are hardcore Wahhabis tentacles of the CIA in the region, which itself is criminalized in Afghanistan.
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@Best.Korea
It also comes down to mother's age and mental health, experience, disorders and birth defects. About 50% of women past age 30 cant even give birth, but those who can, have much higher rate of birth defects than any other age group. Also, the age of the mother has great effect on the child. First, the younger the mother, the longer will child have a mother in life, assuming same life expectancy of mother. Second, the younger the mother, the easier she can adapt to being a mother because there is more learning time and younger brain absorbs information better. For example, if woman became mother at age 15, then by age 25 she would already have 10 years of experience in being a mother, which she then could apply to raise next child she gives birth to, as well as pass the decade of experience to the child. By age 35, she would already have 20 years of experience to pass on. Compare that to those who start being a mother at age 25 and have 0 experience, and by the time they get 10 years of experience, they are mostly no longer fertile, thus unable to apply gained experience, while also having less experience in total to pass on to children who were born before. Western world has it backwards. In the past, people knew that children have no much experience, but they allowed them to gain experience. Today, West uses the argument of children not having the experience to prevent children from even gaining experience. And then they complain about why their children are stupid and incapable even at age 18. It is simple. Protecting children from truth cannot make them understand truth. This is true by tautology.
- All this is true. Indeed, it's all one way of life, healthy stable & sustainable. I'd add, women tend to live by their peers, social validation. It used to be that a woman's status in society was associated with her husband's or father's class & nobility. Today, it's associated with her career among her female friends. – Mothers who grow up mothers find their social circles with other mothers, they thrive more as mothers. & the cycle continues. Career chasing women can not thrive as mothers while at the same time maintaining their career status.
You can even see how brainless people in the West are. They are clueless about birth rates and clueless about how reproduction works. They are quick to condemn all child marriages, but they have no any understanding about them except the very limited stupid view which media and education gave them. Today, they lack knowledge which all their ancestors had. Its a clear proof that government programs people. Government, in just 100 years, managed to eradicate tens of thousands of years of tradition and replace it with an entirely new completely opposite opinion which never existed before in history anywhere.
- This deeply deeply saddens me indeed. School, aka state sponsored indoctrination facility to produce slaves, destroyed thousands of years of cumulative knowledge of thousands of peoples around the world in a single generation. Nothing else in my view comes remotely close to the level of destruction the School inflicted on Human Civilization.
There are some countries with age of consent at 14, like Germany. But there is a difference between age of consent and age of marriage and reproduction. Generally, if sex is encouraged while reproduction is discouraged, it doesnt help birth rates much.
- It does the opposite effect. In fact, in most Muslim countries marital age & consent age (western style) are the same (around 18), yet birth rates haven't dropped as much. Sex continues to be linked to reproduction.
We see today that countries with highest birth rates like Niger are the ones with very low age of consent, but also very low age of marriage and age of reproduction.Today, in USA, even if 12 year old gets pregnant, she is condemned and shamed. There were even shows publicly shaming young mothers in USA on TV. This is the world which claims it protects children.Also, what most people fail to understand is that sexual urges dont start at 18.Sexual urges sometimes start even before age 10.But these people would rather have kids watching porn and doing unsafe sex than to allow them to marry and do it in a safe way.In USA, 30% of children under age 11 watched porn. It goes to 50% for those under 13, and over 30% of all people had sex at 15 or earlier.So all they achieved with banning child marriages is that now there is still plenty of sex, but outside of marriage and with multiple sex partners.
- Preach, brother. I been saying this for years, I am glad people are waking up to it. Unfortunately, most, especially Whites, don't realize by supporting this stuff they are dooming themselves to annihilation.
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@FLRW
- Both are scam artists. I guess the smarter is the one who didn't get caught. Where is the argument? – 'X doesn't believe in God, therefore God doesn't exist' is invalid. I suppose, as al-Ghazali postulates, most people are not rational believers rather imitators who believe based on either loyalty or the principle: 'X is is powerful or X is pious or X is intelligent, therefore X is right'.
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@Best.Korea
You seem to know a lot about history. Most people are surprised when I tell them that just 150 years ago, age of consent in USA was 7 to 10, and just 80 years ago it was around 10 to 14 in many different states in USA.
- Even then you could still marry below the age of consent with the father's permission or engage with an underage non-virgin.
However, raising the age of consent and changing consent laws didnt seem to benefit USA in any way. It didnt reduce crime or suicides, but it did reduce birth rates and it did increase prison population significantly. Laws are by nature supposed to encourage marriages, not discourage them.
- On the contrary. The Law is specifically designed to stifle the Marriage Institution to its death. For instance, as absurd as it sounds, you are not legally required to provide for your wife when you're married, yet legally required to when you're not. Make it make sense! – Morocco is a great case study, being the only Arab country to introduce marital law reforms (in 2004) aimed at amending Sharia based rules into more western-friendly "egalitarian" rules to "empower" women. Divorce cases henceforth went up 20 TIMES in a mere 13 years (likely much higher today). From 7k cases in 2004 to 146k cases in 2017. That's a 2000% increase in 13 years! Some of these amendments included allowing women to initiate divorce, introducing no-fault divorce, & adapting income based alimony (when priorly only men could initiate divorce, otherwise the judge may grant it only the if the wife proves a legitimate complain). – In Sharia, alimony is calculated based on basic needs within means, regardless of how considerable the income is.
- In context, divorce in Sharia functions differently. It is permissible, but barely. Although only men can unilaterally initiate divorce, there are mandatory barriers put in place to prevent such outcomes in case of intent, such as: domestic reconciliation (communication, silent treatment then discipline), arbitration, settlement, temporary separation, delayed dower (the husband must pay the wife in divorce), compensation (in case of no fault from the wife)...etc. Women, however, can only do so by settlement or through the court. Divorce can be:
• Faskh: annulment before consummation.
• Talaq: divorce initiated by the husband with a 3-step max limit. As in, the husband may divorce his wife 3 times & no more. The 1st time (Rij'i) triggers a 3-month separation, after which the couple shall be formally divorced (prohibited from being together) & may only resume their relationship again if they formally remarry, unless they make up within those 3 months. The 2nd time (Ba'in) triggers a formal divorce immediately & the couple may only resume their relationship if they formally remarry again. The 3rd time triggers a final divorce where the husband may only remarry the ex-wife after she engages in another marriage to its final conclusion. Then the count resets.
• Khul': divorce initiated by the wife by way of settlement or breach of contract, as such relinquishing some or rest of her dower, or in case the husband violated a stipulated condition in the marriage contract.
• Tatliq: divorce enforced by the judge in case of legitimate grievance against the husband (impotent, does not provide, withholds sexually, harmful...).
• Tafriqa: annulment enforced by the judge in case of invalid marriage, such as incest or any form of unrecognized marriage.
• Li'an: permanent irreversible divorce in case of adultery.
The main two arguments today against child marriages are consent and harm, but both are self contradicting, because consent argument on its own cannot work without harm argument, and harm argument doesnt work either because raising age of consent laws increased harm, especially by reducing birth rates and increasing prison population and violence in prisons.
- Don't let them pull you into their nonsense. A person who reached puberty is not & has never been considered a child until the past few decades. Children 7 year of age hanged for crimes in 19th century Europe. "Child" -adolescent- sexual intercourse still occurs & is legally & culturally promoted & encouraged. It's the marriage part that's frowned upon & vilified. – The crux of this whole hoax is chastity. Anything that isn't chastity is glorified & female empowerment, & anything that is is demeaned, controlling & primitive. This is because valuing chastity necessarily leads to valuing marriage & family.
- As to consent, it is one of the greatest tools designed to serve the agenda of the state. A minor's consent pretext is used to stomp parental guidance in things which interfere with the state's agenda, & completely discarded in things inline with the state's agenda. A parent may not interfere with their child's "sex life" for "consent" reasons, yet the child has no consent to not spend his childhood in a concentration camp for state indoctrination (aka school). The way to understand this consent among minor nonsense is to realize the "child" is owned by the state, not by his parents or himself.
I am yet to see someone make a case for how this nonsense which we have today is actually somehow beneficial for the country. If US birth rates keep dropping as they were so far, USA might face same situation as Japan and South Korea. Both Japan and South Korea are predicted to lose 60% to 80% of their population in next 100 years if they dont increase birth rates. Its actually amazing how people want to introduce fake morality by pretending they care for children, yet end up destroying millions of future generations through birth rates alone.
- You are assuming legislation is enacted by the state to benefit the country & the people when it is primarily for the benefit of the empire, the ruling dynasty. The empire wants to have its subjects as individual pods. Early marriage means girls don't go to school & don't receive proper education, aka state sponsored indoctrination. It means young girls not joining the workforce & raising yet another generation of children away from state sponsored indoctrination. It means less labour to feed capitalist productivity & less consumerism to feed their profits. It means stable marriages & family cohesion. This fosters community formation away from state designed labelism & individualism, which isn't allowed. It means higher birth rates & more native people, in this case Whites, which means less need for immigration & subsequent multiculturalism. This isn't allowed either, because it leads to homogeneous societies, which are an existential threat to the empire & the Jews.
If 500 years ago someone said that age of consent should be 18, everyone would laugh and consider him insane because back then it was impossible for society to defend itself if it didnt have high birth rates achieved only through early marriages.
- In the early 20th century when the age of consent was raised to 16, it was met with ridicule by the press. Funny stuff! Like, "they should raise it to 81 years". It would be like if today they raise it to 25 or 30.
But today, most people seem to be clueless about how reproduction works. What is even more crazy is that today, countries which have and encourage child marriages not only have very high birth rates, but their suicide rates are much lower than in countries with higher age of consent. There are plenty of studies done to show how marriage reduces suicide rates, thus countries which banned child marriages have merely removed the protection those marriages offered and thats all they achieved.
- It does boil down to fertility rates & family stability. This creates a sustainable human society. Everything else (i.e. all the progressive "rights") leads to self-destructive extinction. Following current trends, in a 100 years, there would literally be as many White people as Japanese today, & all Japanese will fit in Tokyo. – For all their cries & screams & scorns against these "backward" "pedophilic" ways, there would simply not be there in the future to say anything about it.
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@FLRW
Isn't childhood cancer the biggest argument for Atheism?
- What does that look like? Childhood cancer, therefore God does not exist? Make the argument.
Who is smarter Rev. Jim Bakker or Stephen Hawking?
- Hard to tell. Smarter =/= right.
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@zedvictor4
You don't quite understand atheism Yas.Atheism is basically not theism and therefore does not require a contrived belief system.
- No. Not-theism is not Atheism. Any perception about being one way or another is a belief system. Your assumptions about being themselves inform your entire thought.
Atheists can hypothesise widely upon the origins of the Universe.
- Metaphysics & Epistemology =/= Hypothesizing on observations.
Whereas theists tend to pigeon hole themselves or be pigeon holed by there forebears, into blindly accepting a particular set of folk tales as proof of everything ...A lot of which were made up only a couple of thousand or less years ago by humans...Generally involving a magic blokeA magic bloke, who nonetheless must also comply with the something from nothing principle... A fact that theists are taught to casually brush aside without the need for any reasonable explanation.So atheism is clearly a more rationalised approach to creation and existence theory.
- Magic is a categorically more cogent than believing everything came from nothing, for the former is a metaphysically & epistemologically possible, whereas the latter is metaphysically & epistemologically impossible.
Whereas theists are just given a book and told to run with it.
- Not necessarily.
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@ebuc
- There is no strong argument for Atheism. Not many beliefs out there are logically less cogent than believing Everything comes from Nothing & every thing has a cause for its existence except everything.
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@Best.Korea
I figured that is very possible. Not many men want to be with a fat feminist woman. But then again, society also abolished polygamy marriages, which is what caused many people to not have any relationship at all.
- I actually know quite a bit about the history of consent laws & marriage & so on. I may make a post about this, but it's a deep rabbit hole. What I said is actually fact. – Virtually all the rationale & legislation Feminists, both liberals & radicals, promoted or introduced regarding consent & marital law during the 70s & 80s revolved around age & age-gap provisions, to an asinine degree. These reforms included for instance:
• Raising the age of consent > to make younger girls even less accessible.
• Replacing chastity provisions withs age-gape provision > whereas previously victims were chaste girls preyed on by men under false promises, thenceforth any girl below the age of consent became by definition a victim & any man above the age of consent in a consensual relationship with said girl an aggressor.
• Replacing seduction crime with assault crime > the former encouraged those who have consensual sex with a minor to marry them, the latter sends them to prison.
• Dropping the promiscuity clause that dismissed cases if the young female was not a virgin > to drive home that absolutely any consensual sex with a minor even a prostitute or a seductress is criminal.
• Extending penetration provision to all types touching > So it doesn't have to be intercourse, any suggestive relationship with a minor is penalized.
• Eliminating the mistake-of-age defense > to make sure older men avoid any young looking woman at all costs.
• Dropping corroboration requirements (witnesses & proof) > So the mere fact that you're with a minor is sufficient evidence if claim made.
• Grading the offenses based on the age of the victim > i.e. the younger the less accessible.
• Dropping marital exemption that excluded husbands from prosecution > no comment.
• Implementing rape shield laws so that the victim's sexual past could not be brought into evidence > Need I say more!
...etc.
- Most importantly: although these Feminists clearly wanted to keep men their age from chasing younger women, they are not the ones holding power. Libertarian Feminists at the time promoted abolishing age of consent, but they didn't succeed. This is by design. – In truth, this formulation of Consent Laws is primarily aimed at stifling marital relationships in favor of promiscuous sex. A relationship between an older established man & a young fertile impressionable virgin girl inevitably leads to a stable marriage & children, as has been the case the past 5000 years in all human societies. The age-gap provisions are one loop in a chain to separate sex from marriage, along with sexual education, ban of segregation, accessible contraception, abortion, parental rights termination, adoption, child support... etc. Absolutely any obstacle that may steer women away from promiscuity towards marriage in fear of getting pregnant or raising children is categorically removed. Boys & girls at the height of their sexual libido forced to mix during their teen years results in high mileage hoes who can't settle, & even if they do it inevitably fails. – All this is by design. The powers that be, i.e. the ruling dynasty in the West & their Jewish kingmakers, are bent on depopulating humans, & particularly hell-bent on extinguishing White populations. If you know you know.
10 to 13 is usually the age when women can give birth.About 150 years ago, age of consent was mostly 7 to 12 in different areas of the world.
- In the US this persisted until early 20th century, & 12 is still the age of consent in many parts of the world today including provinces in Mexico. However, what age of consent meant back then it isn't what it means now. Age of consent at the time was not a condition for marriage, rather it provisioned for two things: virginity & chastity. You could still marry a 7 year old with the permission of the father. That is, it was a crime to take the virginity of a girl below the age of consent (outside marriage). It wasn't a crime to have consensual sex with a minor promiscuous (i.e. not virgin) girl; unless the consent was contingent on the promise of marriage –aka seduction crime. It wasn't even a crime to have forceful sex (rape) with a non-virgin minor! In fact, the increase in age of consent early 20th century (to 16 in the US for instance) was done to protect young girls from seduction crimes, because then it became widespread that underage girls would go to the town or the city to study or work putting them at risk of being preyed on by older men under the promise of marriage. – Marriage with underage girls continued normally until the 70s & 80s with 2nd wave Feminism.
However, some countries started increasing age of consent until they ended up at 16 to 18.The funny thing is that now those same countries struggle with very low birth rate problems. Divine nature always punishes the violation of her commands. The basic math will tell them that highest birth rate is achieved only when woman starts giving birth as early as possible.'
- True. The beautiful thing about this is that the "progressive" "liberal" "egalitarian" "feminist" "human rightist" "free" societies will simply go extinct & soon be replaced by those "backward" "misogynist" "medieval" "homophobic" "pedophile" societies from sheer birth rates.
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@cristo71
Thanks for your comprehensive answer! I asked out of genuine curiosity and not to critique or cross examine your answer. I suspect that if I answer in kind, you will seek to criticize, take exception, and maybe even have a good laugh at my expense; I’m just not in the mood to go to great effort for it to result in bickering back and forth.
- I always welcome a genuine discussion. I know quite a bit about the subject, I was just curious about what you believe.
What I will say is that the Bible does not really give much instruction at all about how war should be waged. The Old Testament has a little bit, but is mainly a history of war rather than a how-to manual.
- I would posit that the Jews take that "little bit" as law, from the Torah.
The New Testament has none to my knowledge. IMO, the Bible is a book at war with itself— by that I mean contradictory and open to interpretation. For example, Jesus famously said, “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.” But… obviously some disciples WERE carrying swords!
- Indeed. Jesus (pbuh) himself would come down with the sword in the Second Coming.
The West seems to get its rules of warfare from historic warriors such as Hammurabi and from the history of warfare itself.
- The modern West's warfare modus operandi originates in the Christendom Crusades, distinct from ancient warfare such as Rome. Conquests shifted from imperial to colonial, from extension to extraction, from eternal to utilitarian, from fighting to killing, from centrifugal to centripetal, from fiscal to economical... etc, & henceforth developed into more & more utilitarian organized systematic warfare.
Do western forces follow the rules? Yes and no depending. If I were to sum up the conduct of American forces at least, we do the best we can based upon the circumstances.
- 'Best' assumes a reference of conduct in war. There is none anywhere in US Law, or for any other western country.
I cannot speak for the Jewish/Israeli rules of conduct, but I imagine they overlap a fair amount with the US and Western Europe.
- I agree. In fact, modern European warfare is throughly tied to Jews.
I don’t agree with everything Israel does, but neither do many Israelis! And I live in a nation surrounded by allies, not potential adversaries as Israel does. As I said earlier, Israel has to strike a contradictory balance between valuing all human life and “Never again.”
- They are indeed acting according to their own Just War beliefs, which consists of thoroughly destroying the enemy including women & children, killing their cattle, raping...etc, as constantly declared by their officials & religious leaders, & shown daily in their action. – Yet, It is not impossible that they could act according to aforementioned rules of Just War in Sharia, but they won't. Israel's (West) manner of warfare is not sustainable & is doomed to fail sooner than later.
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@Shila
Another Muslim contradiction. Muslim women are forced to cover their head in public by wearing a scarf or hijab. But Muslim men have to circumcise to expose their penis head.
- DUUUUDE! Really?!! Language!
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@Castin
Lol. In all seriousness, while I don't know personally, from watching Leah Remini's documentaries I think it's pretty much like:
- You're cut off completely from family and friends still in the church.
- Within the church you're labelled an SP (suppressive person), i.e. people still in the church are taught that associating with you will set them back on the path.
- Depending on how young you were indoctrinated, you now have the task of relearning pretty much everything about the world, since they pull kids who join out of public school.
- You have to worry about being followed by private investigators hired by the church for the rest of your life.
- If you dare to speak out about your experiences, you're litigated against furiously and inexhaustibly.
- Any secrets they teach or hidden insights they have that's uncommon knowledge?
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@Shila
- You are not letting this go. What exactly is your point? Taliban Afghanistan & Taliban Pakistan are entirely different entities, In fact, antithetical ideologically & political enemies. This is a fact.
The Taliban movement originated in Pashtun nationalism, and its ideological underpinnings are with that of broader Afghan society.
- No. It was about reinstating Islam against Communism. Mulah Omar was a Sufi Nakshabandi from a long lineage of Sufi sheikhs & a descendant of the Hotak dynasty.
The Taliban's roots lie in the religious schools of Kandahar and were influenced significantly by foreign support, particularly from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, during the Soviet–Afghan War.
- You are backtracking. So now they are not from Pakistan as you were claiming earlier!? This is accurate, but they were funded, not influenced, by the Saudis & the Pakistanis.
The Taliban held control of most of the country until the United States invasion of Afghanistan in December 2001. Many members of the Taliban fled to neighboring Pakistan.
- Taliban affiliated =/= Taliban.
The Taliban originated in Afghanistan then spread to Pakistan.
- No. Are you Indian? You seem to post a lot about that part of the World & have something against Pakistan & Bangladesh somehow.
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@Sunshineboy217
- He got you to say call it a Ban even though it didn't happen & ultimately will be overturned at the Supreme Court anyways. So I guess that's a MAGA win for him. Regardless, what's the point if he is gunna pump the country full of Indians who AREN'T born on US soil anyways.
- This one is actually a mystery to me. What's with the MAGA hysteria & self-immolation. You didn't want Mexicans coming in, now you have Indians. Mexicans do menial jobs like farming & construction, which the average White college graduate does not even do... Indians are coming for the jobs of the highest paid Whites, like doctors, engineers, dentists, programmers... Mexican cheap labor makes life more affordable for the average White: cheaper construction cost, cheaper food... Indian cheap labor makes Whites jobless: overall more qualified than the average American graduate & cheaper... Mexican illegal immigrants come to work for Whites... Indian legal immigrants come so you can work for them, to become your bosses... Mexicans are light skinned Christians with European descent... Indians are dark skinned Hindus from the dirtiest nation on Earth, albeit with great food…. Mexicans (& Latin Americans in general) are for the most part anti-Israel... Indians are the most Israel slaves on the planet, & they will be far more accommodating to the owners & hence be promoted.
- With Colorblind Meritocracy & revoking Equal Opportunity, the Indian will hire Indians & fire Whites, Zionists will hire their allies & fire their enemies under the pretext of merit without fearing legal consequences.. So all you Whites out there have been duped. You will end up competing with Indians in high paying jobs & losing; even if you get jobs your bosses will be Indians & you will see them hiring & promoting more of their kin... You will end up with higher costs of living because construction, farming... costs will increase for lack of cheap alien labor. The kings of the empire & their Jewish king-makers realized that pushing victim mentality hierarchy into Americans to put down White men backfired when these identified more with Palestinians as victims than Israelis, & that these White men are their biggest Zionist supporters. They are in urgent need of scraping all these DEI BS, & replacing it with a new framework where only pro-Zionists will find jobs & promotions & the rest be replaced by Indians; -most of these companies are owned by Zionists anyways. The empire is happy: more high productivity immigration, higher GDP, secure competitiveness with China, more domestic control (especially with Al), snuff opposition & anti-Zionism…. The average "White genocide" guy submits & stays in his corner to survive maybe shouting "no more Moose limbs". Hard times ahead.
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@Best.Korea
Pedophile isnt really an insult. All your ancestors were pedophiles.
- LOL! Whatever happened to this Forum. I used to say this & get chewed on. – The real pedophiles aka 'pederasts' have alway existed at the bottom of sexual filth of societies & they are the ones behind feminists promoting marrying young fertile girls as "pedophilia" to gatekeep men from ditching them in favor of younger girls. I guarantee you, if you drop the legal age of consent tomorrow down to 12, half the relationships in the country will breakup & 5000 years of history will set in right back up.
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@Shila
- I would write an essay detailing the whole story & history. But I won't. I don't really get your angle & your posts at all!
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