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The female team wear the same shorts and t shirts like the men’s team. The6 have to follow the same soccer rules. So why the difference in treatment by Muslims?
- They should take off their top on those swimming competitions then. You perv!


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I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.
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I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.
- So you are an ex-Scientologist apostate? What is that like exactly?

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The female team wear the same shorts and t shirts like the men’s team. The6 have to follow the same soccer rules. So why the difference in treatment by Muslims?
- They should take off their top on those swimming competitions then. You perv!
We are talking about soccer and why the women’s soccer team was banned in a Muslim country.
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We are talking about soccer and why the women’s soccer team was banned in a Muslim country.
- Ok. Don't really care.

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We are talking about soccer and why the women’s soccer team was banned in a Muslim country.
- Ok. Don't really care.
Another Muslim contradiction. Muslim women are forced to cover their head in public by wearing a scarf or hijab. But Muslim men have to circumcise to expose their penis head.
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I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.
- So you are an ex-Scientologist apostate? What is that like exactly?
Lol. In all seriousness, while I don't know personally, from watching Leah Remini's documentaries I think it's pretty much like:

  • You're cut off completely from family and friends still in the church.
  • Within the church you're labelled an SP (suppressive person), i.e. people still in the church are taught that associating with you will set them back on the path.
  • Depending on how young you were indoctrinated, you now have the task of relearning pretty much everything about the world, since they pull kids who join out of public school.
  • You have to worry about being followed by private investigators hired by the church for the rest of your life.
  • If you dare to speak out about your experiences, you're litigated against furiously and inexhaustibly.

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Lol. In all seriousness, while I don't know personally, from watching Leah Remini's documentaries I think it's pretty much like:

  • You're cut off completely from family and friends still in the church.
  • Within the church you're labelled an SP (suppressive person), i.e. people still in the church are taught that associating with you will set them back on the path.
  • Depending on how young you were indoctrinated, you now have the task of relearning pretty much everything about the world, since they pull kids who join out of public school.
  • You have to worry about being followed by private investigators hired by the church for the rest of your life.
  • If you dare to speak out about your experiences, you're litigated against furiously and inexhaustibly.
- Any secrets they teach or hidden insights they have that's uncommon knowledge? 

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Another Muslim contradiction. Muslim women are forced to cover their head in public by wearing a scarf or hijab. But Muslim men have to circumcise to expose their penis head.
- DUUUUDE! Really?!! Language!

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Let me ask you something, Turkish. Just out of curiousity.

I don't know much about Turkey which is the place you come from I guess. Though I heard many things about this beautiful country. From what I saw in the many turkish soap operas I used to watch, the turkish society seemed to be kind of liberal eventhough it is said that Turkey is a country with muslim majority. I mean, I consider Islam as a represive and intolerable religion specially to women, but in the soap operas you can see women behaving freely, dressing as they wish and discussing with men equally, exactly like any western country. I know there are two or three factions of islam, one more represive and radical than the other, but what happens in Turkey is really laudable considering that Islam is a fkn violent religion.

Do you have something to say about my point of view? Am I wrong? Was I deceived by the turkish soap operas and the reality is completely different?

I also heard that Turkey is not that liberal or secular, and sooner or later it will become like the other represive and savage muslim countries around like Iran, Libia, Iraq and all these shitty countries where women always regret to be born there. That would be a pity, imho.
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Another Muslim contradiction. Muslim women are forced to cover their head in public by wearing a scarf or hijab. But Muslim men have to circumcise to expose their penis head.
- DUUUUDE! Really?!! Language!
Double standards.
Women are not allowed to pray in Mosque with men. But men are allowed to show their backsides to fellow Muslims throughout their prayer 5 times a day.
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Let me ask you something, Turkish. Just out of curiousity.

I don't know much about Turkey which is the place you come from I guess.
- Not.

Though I heard many things about this beautiful country. From what I saw in the many turkish soap operas I used to watch, the turkish society seemed to be kind of liberal eventhough it is said that Turkey is a country with muslim majority. I mean, I consider Islam as a represive and intolerable religion specially to women, but in the soap operas you can see women behaving freely, dressing as they wish and discussing with men equally, exactly like any western country.
- Yeah, those are Western slaves just like you -destined to extinction, with no identity or history except absolute adoration to their Western master's validation & terror in fear of being called "repressive". It's really cringe how absolutely slavish secular Turks are to Whites when their ancestors ruled the world. They literally kiss the ground they walk on, I hope at least you are not this bad.

I know there are two or three factions of islam, one more represive and radical than the other, but what happens in Turkey is really laudable considering that Islam is a fkn violent religion.
- Be sure to keep saying that on your way to extinction. 

Do you have something to say about my point of view? Am I wrong? Was I deceived by the turkish soap operas and the reality is completely different?
- Turkey is two worlds, quite distinct actually, one traditional & one secular. 

I also heard that Turkey is not that liberal or secular, and sooner or later it will become like the other represive and savage muslim countries around like Iran, Libia, Iraq and all these shitty countries where women always regret to be born there. That would be a pity, imho.
- I suppose the "repressed" women figured they didn't wanna go extinct like their slavist secular sisters, so they didn't give a fk what filth the about-to-go-extinct West is spouting. 

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Double standards.
Women are not allowed to pray in Mosque with men. But men are allowed to show their backsides to fellow Muslims throughout their prayer 5 times a day.
- Whatever this means! Aren't you Christian? How do you feel about all the women rules in your Bible?

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- Not
So, judging by your profile picture and your hate towards the jews, you're an arab.

- Be sure to keep saying that on your way to extinction. 
In which way do you think we're going to extintion? Because you muslims are going to kill us all using the yihad?

I'm from South America and we're pretty far from being like these European idiots. Besides, Trump is trying to fix what the left has wrecked with this woke ideology imported directly from Europe. 

- I suppose the "repressed" women figured they didn't wanna go extinct like their slavist secular sisters, so they didn't give a fk what filth the about-to-go-extinct West is spouting. 
I'm not going to disagree with you. The modern western woman "empowered" by radical feminism is not the best model for our society. However, the muslim woman is just the other side of the coin. It's inconcievable for our times that a person, whether man or woman, is treated as slave like the muslim women are treated by their muslims counterparts.

You muslims are stuck in the medieval times, no wonder why you're beheading one another. 
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So, judging by your profile picture and your hate towards the jews, you're an arab.
- I am an Arab, yes. I don't hate Jews. Many prophets were Jews, like the beloved Jesus (pbuh) & the beloved Moses (pbuh). I recognize Jews are doing things they are doing =/= I hate Jews.

In which way do you think we're going to extintion? Because you muslims are going to kill us all using the yihad?
- No, because in a 100 years they'll be barely enough of you to fit in a city from population collapse, due to slaving after Western ideals from sheer fear of being called "repressive".

I'm from South America and we're pretty far from being like these European idiots. Besides, Trump is trying to fix what the left has wrecked with this woke ideology imported directly from Europe.
- No continent has suffered more tyranny & destruction by the US than South America, yet here you are. The saying is true, 'the dominated is ever infatuated to emulate the dominant'.  You are going extinct too, South America's fertility albeit higher than only Europe, is not only way below fertility, it's the fastest dropping. Unless you divorce yourselves completely from this Western ideal nonsense & going back to those "repressive" values your ancestors lived by for thousands of years, you are going extinct too.

I'm not going to disagree with you. The modern western woman "empowered" by radical feminism is not the best model for our society. However, the muslim woman is just the other side of the coin. It's unconcievable for our times that a person, whether man or woman, is treated as slave like the muslim women are treated by their muslims counterparts.
- Don't buy the hype. You willing to debate this?

You muslims are stuck in the medieval times, no wonder why you're beheading one another. 
- I hope we are, we ruled the world in medieval times, politically, economically, & scientifically. The beheading is all your masters' doing, they create & fund these groups like ISIS. Like they fund groups in your countries to do nasty stuff.

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- Any secrets they teach or hidden insights they have that's uncommon knowledge? 
Ex-members say not really. Current members say yes, but such knowledge is behind a paywall. Womp womp.
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Double standards.
Women are not allowed to pray in Mosque with men. But men are allowed to show their backsides to fellow Muslims throughout their prayer 5 times a day.
- Whatever this means! Aren't you Christian? How do you feel about all the women rules in your Bible?
Christian’s women don’t have to worry about their men showing their backsides to other men during prayer 5 times a day.
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Many prophets were Jews, like the beloved Jesus (pbuh) & the beloved Moses (pbuh). 
Well, at least you don’t deify these people. That's good. 

No, because in a 100 years they'll be barely enough of you to fit in a city from population collapse, due to slaving after Western ideals from sheer fear of being called "repressive".
This is partly true, I have to recognize, but don’t put it as if we needed a religion, let alone something like the Islam. No, please. 

No continent has suffered more tyranny & destruction by the US than South America, yet here you are. The saying is true, 'the dominated is ever infatuated to emulate the dominant'. You are going extinct too, South America's fertility albeit higher than only Europe, is not only way below fertility, it's the fastest dropping. Unless you divorce yourselves completely from this Western ideal nonsense & going back to those "repressive" values your ancestors lived by for thousands of years, you are going extinct too.
I think you have been caught by russian propaganda. The US is not a model of a society and South americans are far from being like them. I'd say we are like Europeans since the very begining, we've always wanted to be like them. Unfortunately they are not the model we wanted to copy from anymore.

Don't buy the hype. You willing to debate this?
I never had a debate here because I don't have enough time but I plan on doing it in the near future. I hope to see you around to do it, I'm really looking forward to destroy your arguments.

 I hope we are, we ruled the world in medieval times, politically, economically, & scientifically
The world has made a lot of progress since then. It's you the muslims that got stuck, I'd even say that you've moved backwards. 
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The world has made a lot of progress since then. It's you the muslims that got stuck, I'd even say that you've moved backwards. 
The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.
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This is partly true, I have to recognize, but don’t put it as if we needed a religion, let alone something like the Islam. No, please. 
- Your ancestors were probably Muslim in Andalusia & were forced to convert lest they get killed. You went from leading the world in knowledge & prosperity to being gold miners for other European countries that took that knowledge from you & left you behind.

I think you have been caught by russian propaganda.
- Nah. I just happen to know a bit about the history of the region. It's the American movies that got you to forget those bits... It's not that deep, the US does this to their own citizens. 

The US is not a model of a society and South americans are far from being like them. I'd say we are like Europeans since the very begining, we've always wanted to be like them. Unfortunately they are not the model we wanted to copy from anymore.
- It's all a lie. You can't be like them, because you are not a colonial power. Their model is constantly sucking the wealth & work of their former colonies & convincing everybody including you it's the other way around. The EU & Co drain trillions of euros a year out of everyone else in hundreds of schemes, such as reserve currency, trade deficit, Euro bonds, branding, climate sanctions, state loans, aid "bribing", mineral exploitation in Africa, brain drain, tourism, treasury of foreign reserves...etc. – The whole "democracy" nonsense is a lie.

I never had a debate here because I don't have enough time but I plan on doing it in the near future. I hope to see you around to do it, I'm really looking forward to destroy your arguments.
- Looking forward to it. Hit me up when that time comes.

The world has made a lot of progress since then. It's you the muslims that got stuck, I'd even say that you've moved backwards. 
- Don't be too sure. We are taking our lead back. The Muslim world today boasts similar industrial output & larger native scientific output in STEM than the Western world. The Middle East alone is already roughly equivalent to the US in terms of industrial sector & STEM output, despite all the invasions the latter inflicts on it. – Aside from the fields dominated by the Muslims like the Oil Industry & Chemical Industry, there is virtually no technology, including High Tech, in which at least some Muslim countries are leaders.  Drones: Turkey is the world's 2nd exporter & Iran... Semiconductor devices: Malaysia is the world's 2nd exporter. Purpose ships: Saudi is 2nd exporter... Aerospace: Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia... have orbit launching capabilities. Jet fighters: Pakistan, Turkey... The UAE among 5 countries to send a mission to Mars, & Turkey among 10 to ever build an aircraft carrier. 
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Christian’s women don’t have to worry about their men showing their backsides to other men during prayer 5 times a day.
The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.
- You claim to be Christian & make such blasphemous remarks... That's how your Lord Jesus prayed with his head on the ground: He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” (Matthew 26:39)

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Christian’s women don’t have to worry about their men showing their backsides to other men during prayer 5 times a day.
The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.
- You claim to be Christian & make such blasphemous remarks... That's how your Lord Jesus prayed with his head on the ground: He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” (Matthew 26:39)
That was a one time prayer when Jesus was alone by himself.

There are many passages throughout the four Gospels that reveal what Jesus taught about prayer, but the best passage is without a doubt Matthew chapter 6.

In this chapter, Jesus first explains how not to pray, and then He gives all of His followers a template on how we should pray.

First, Jesus tells us that we should not do two things when we pray: (1) we shouldn’t pray to be noticed by people, and (2) we shouldn’t use vain repetitions thinking that we will be heard by God.

“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

“But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words (Matthew 6:5-7).

In other words, Jesus is trying to explain to His disciples that prayer is primarily about intimacy and fellowship with God and that it should never be about us being seen by others as “holy”, or about how long or how great your prayers can be.

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Your ancestors were probably Muslim in Andalusia & were forced to convert lest they get killed. You went from leading the world in knowledge & prosperity to being gold miners for other European countries that took that knowledge from you & left you behind.
This is interesting because muslims were very tolerant with other religions back then, like in Turkey. What happened? Why did muslims change for bad?

That's why I say you muslims have moved backwards.

It's all a lie. You can't be like them, because you are not a colonial power. Their model is constantly sucking the wealth & work of their former colonies & convincing everybody including you it's the other way around. The EU & Co drain trillions of euros a year out of everyone else in hundreds of schemes, such as reserve currency, trade deficit, Euro bonds, branding, climate sanctions, state loans, aid "bribing", mineral exploitation in Africa, brain drain, tourism, treasury of foreign reserves...etc. – The whole "democracy" nonsense is a lie.
I think you're confusing us with Africans. We have a lot of heritage from Europe in several ways, not just racial. We were not just a colony of Europe.

I'd say America was the second home of Europeans, not just the US but all the continent, from Alaska to Patagonia. As in the first and second world war, lots of Europeans fled to South America. The same will happen in a third world war.

Don't be too sure. We are taking our lead back. The Muslim world today boasts similar industrial output & larger native scientific output in STEM than the Western world. The Middle East alone is already roughly equivalent to the US in terms of industrial sector & STEM output, despite all the invasions the latter inflicts on it. – Aside from the fields dominated by the Muslims like the Oil Industry & Chemical Industry, there is virtually no technology, including High Tech, in which at least some Muslim countries are leaders.  Drones: Turkey is the world's 2nd exporter & Iran... Semiconductor devices: Malaysia is the world's 2nd exporter. Purpose ships: Saudi is 2nd exporter... Aerospace: Indonesia, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia... have orbit launching capabilities. Jet fighters: Pakistan, Turkey... The UAE among 5 countries to send a mission to Mars, & Turkey among 10 to ever build an aircraft carrier. 
In all honesty, I'm happy for that but I think you're talking about the most tolerant muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the like.

What about the least tolerant ones? They are beheading one another. I think there is a lot to fix in some muslim sects that keep people from progressing.
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This is interesting because muslims were very tolerant with other religions back then, like in Turkey. What happened? Why did muslims change for bad?
- Because Muslim nations today are not Islamic nations. They do not rule based on Islamic principles, rather Western secular democratic principles. An Islamic nation is a community based rulership, where each (Muslims, Christians, Jews...) live in their own separate communities, their own territories, by their own lifestyle, morality, education, laws, courts, fiscal system & policies. Each community has its representatives in the state's court. The state's role is to preserve the sacred rights (of faith, life, reason, progeny, property & honor), manage public wealth, & provide public services. – An Islamic state has no jurisdiction in matters of morality, legislation, education, or religious practices, for these are divine rights. A good illustration of this: Christian population in the Middle East went from about 1/2 to 1/5 in 13 centuries of Islamic rule. At the onset of the 20th century 20% of ME population was still Christian. It went down to 5% in just a 100 years since, under secular democratic rule post-Ottoman fall.

- You may find this hard to believe, but it's true. Modern secular democratic nation states are extremely intolerant, by design, though they appear to be otherwise. They are only tolerant of public degeneracy & nothing else. It is this image of hedonistic freedom that tricks most into buying the BS. – Even in Christian Europe, you used to at least have the freedom to live by your faith & laws according to your morality, educate your children without interference from the state, & dispose of your wealth as you see fit with little restrictions from the government.

That's why I say you muslims have moved backwards.
- We have a different perspective of backwardness. Even you need a little backwardness to pull your societies back from self-annihilation. Also, the very notion of "progressive" is a lie, for how can something destined for extinction be progressive when it will not be there in the end.

I think you're confusing us with Africans. We have a lot of heritage from Europe in several ways, not just racial. We were not just a colony of Europe.
- Yes, your have European ancestry. That's besides the point. The fact is if you follow European model 100% it will simply fail, because you lack the actual power dynamics & colonial legacy at its foundation. – You don't have treasuries of foreign reserves & gold reserves from former colonies, or a reserve currency you compelled those colonies to adopt so they can buy your currency with their own wealth, or legacy brands that charges 100x the price for the simple reason it has a European origin, or infinite money printing with no fear of domestic inflation because you can just dumb the surplus onto the rest of the world to inflate their economies instead, just to call it nice names like 'bonds' or 'loans' or 'aid'...

I'd say America was the second home of Europeans, not just the US but all the continent, from Alaska to Patagonia. As in the first and second world war, lots of Europeans fled to South America. The same will happen in a third world war.
- Too few White Europeans to migrate. If a mass trans-continental immigration event occurs in the future, it would probably involve Blacks & Indians, their regions can not support them. There are twice as many Indians in a third of the area compared to Europe. The Americas is the ideal destination, since by then it would probably be so sparsely populated from population collapse. – You better get to take your women out of the workforce & put them back in the household quick so you can have lots of babies before that scenario happens in the future.

In all honesty, I'm happy for that but I think you're talking about the most tolerant muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the like.
- Truth is, it matters a lot less to material & scientific progress how tolerant or not you are, than how good you are at building the factory & lab & bringing in the engineers & scientists to do what needs to be done to get that airplane airborne. 

What about the least tolerant ones? They are beheading one another. I think there is a lot to fix in some muslim sects that keep people from progressing.
- We've been saying this for years, but it's finally all out in the open. Especially after USAID scandal. Those groups like ISIS & al-Qaeda are funded, run & backed by the West, namely: Israel, CIA... etc. This is no longer a secret. 

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That was a one time prayer when Jesus was alone by himself.

There are many passages throughout the four Gospels that reveal what Jesus taught about prayer, but the best passage is without a doubt Matthew chapter 6.

In this chapter, Jesus first explains how not to pray, and then He gives all of His followers a template on how we should pray.

First, Jesus tells us that we should not do two things when we pray: (1) we shouldn’t pray to be noticed by people, and (2) we shouldn’t use vain repetitions thinking that we will be heard by God.

“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

“But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words (Matthew 6:5-7).

In other words, Jesus is trying to explain to His disciples that prayer is primarily about intimacy and fellowship with God and that it should never be about us being seen by others as “holy”, or about how long or how great your prayers can be.

Shila continuing to be obsessed with backsides.

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Shila continuing to be obsessed with backsides.
Muslim men continue to pray 5 times a day with their backsides in the air.
The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.

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BACKSIDES

If Shila doesn't like your religion he decides it's about BACKSIDES

~BACKSIDES~
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BACKSIDES

If Shila doesn't like your religion he decides it's about BACKSIDES

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Muslim men continue to pray 5 times a day with their backsides in the air.
The Muslims lead with their backsides even in prayer 5 times a day.