Trump says US will take Gaza & turn it into the rivera of the ME

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Israel is the exact same way - a permanent majority-Jewish state, in the same way that there are dozens of permanent majority-Arab states.
- This means absolutely nothing. It's circular gibberish. States rise & fall. As I said, There will be no talk about Israel existence itself if this was transposed into China for instance, for respective power dynamics makes it unattainable. There was no such possible reality during Ottoman rule either. Napoleon was the first to attempt establishing a Jewish enclave in Palestine.

The Jews resettled Palestine in large numbers during the late 19th and early 20th century.
- Not that large, no. Though you sound more informed than others here.

So what? The Arabs themselves conquered and colonized Palestine, and that's the only reason you consider it an Arab land today.
- As an Islamic land, yes. As an Arab land, I wonder! Depends on whether Arabs are conquerors or indigenous, & on whether 'Arabness' developed after Arab tribes settled in the area. All indigenous peoples of the that entire region are semitic, Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Arabs..etc, aka descendants of Shem. At some point in History, these peoples started identifying separately. This might turn out to be quite the interesting discussion.

- Pre Islamic Conquest, the 'Arabian Peninsula' referred to Sham (meaning 'south' in classical Arabic, aka Levant), Iraq, Yaman (meaning 'north' in classical Arabic, aka Yemen & Oman today) & everything in between – &  'Arabs' referred to the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula. The pre-Islamic area of Palestine was occupied by the Judam, Lakhm & Amila tribes of Kahlan son of Qahtan; & the Ghasan tribe of Azd son of Qahtan. All ancient Arab tribes, not descendants of Ishmael!

- It's a huge misconception that Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael (pbuh). Ishmael himself was not originally Arab, rather he was raised in & married among the Arab tribe of Jorhum in Mecca. Pre-Islamic Arabs identify themselves as descendants of the sons of Shem: Aram & Lud, & later Ishmael progeny of Arphaxad, & classified themselves into 3 kinds:
1. Extinct Arabs (Ba'ida) – Arab tribes descendants of Aram who largely went extinct, notably: Amalek, Amorites (founders of Babylon around 18th century BC), Jadis, Tasim, 'Ad... the last of them being the Nabateans (from whom the modern Arabic script originate), who ruled the Levant from 4th BC until they became Roman vassals in 1st BC.
2. Ancient Arabs ('Ariba) – Arab tribes descendants of Qahtan progeny of Lud to which belong most tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, namely in the Levant, Iraq, Yemen, Oman & eastern Arabia, & some in the Hijaz.
3. Assimilated Arabs (Musta'riba) – Arab tribes descendants of Ishmael son of Abraham (pbuh) who is a descendant of Arphaxad. These are the minority & mainly reside in the Hijaz region. These are referred to in out tradition as Adnania & in Hebrew tradition as Qedar. The designation also extends to non-Ishmael descendants who also integrated into Arabs, namely Edomites (Edom being the nephew of Ishmael).

- Amorites (Amer) are an extinct Arab tribe which spanned from the -today- southern Syria to northern Arabia, had some conflicts with Akkad around 22nd BC then migrated to Mesopotamia around 19th BC eventually establishing the Babylonian empire. Both Arab chronicles & the conventional History agree that Amorites are migrants from Levant to Mesopotamia (although these chronicles attribute this conquest to someone called Mesh (Gilgamesh?)). They would later be overtaken by the Assyrians (from northern Syria) during their conquest of Aram arround 9th BC. Amalek is another extinct Arab tribe which spanned today's Palestine & Lebanon, who migrated to Egypt & established the Hyksos dynasty (around 16th BC). The consecutive conquests these Arab tribes suffer during the 1st millennium BC from foreign powers (Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans...etc), would eventually cause them to disintegrate. 'Extinct' does not necessarily mean they were genocided (although Jews claim to have annihilated the Amalek tribe). Like the Nabateans, eventually by the 7th century no one identifies as such.

- Ghasan, the main tribe in of southern Levant belong to the Azd Ancient Arab tribe, who established the Sheba kingdom (around 13th BC) & migrated to the north after the Marib Dam was destroyed around 8th or 9th BC (a catastrophic event in ancient Arab history). The dam would eventually get rebuilt in the 8th BC but other Arab tribes will continue to migrate to the Levant, eventually dominating the culture of the region. This event might have contributed to engender Arabness as a separate identity & language probably.
 
- As to Jews. There are two contentions. First, they are foreigners. Abraham (pbuh) comes from Ur (Mesopotamia) during the Babylonian empire, & goes around Assyria, Canaan & Egypt around 18th BC. His grandson Jacob (pbuh) father of the Israelites settles in Jerusalem & builds the Aqsa mosque. They all migrate to Egypt & settle around 16th BC (under Arab Hyksos rule). Then get expelled a couple centuries later around 13th BC. Then get exiled to Sinai. Then take Jerusalem from the Amalek & Amorites during Joshua's reign around 13th BC. Then get expelled again. Then take it again under Saul then David (pbuh) & establish Judea for a century in 10th BC. Then get expelled again by Nebuchanezer in 6th BC. Then brought back again centuries later, this time they forced others including Arabs to convert to Judaism. Then get expelled by the Romans in 70AD. Then get brought back by the Persians again. Then get expelled by the Romans again. Then get brought back by the Muslims. Then get expelled again by the Crusaders, until Muslims take over again... The main destination of these expulsions was Arabia itself, since Arabs in Arabia didn't mind Jews. Everywhere else Jews went, they experienced similar fates, except Persia & later under Islamic rule. Second, most are not even Israelites. 90% aren't even Semitic, including Ashkenazis.

- In conclusion. Arabs are actually indigenous to the region. At least to a large portion of it. Jews are not. They actually originate from a different Semitic peoples from Mesopotamia. 'Hebrew' in Arabic means 'Ibrani' meaning those who crossed the river. As in crossed the Euphrates from Mesopotamia to the Levant. In fact, Jews (Israelites) essentially migrated from one Arab nation to another almost their entire History. In fact, they fought & genocided Arabs (Amalek & Amorites) to gain Jerusalem the first time, & the second time.

From my point of view, both acts of colonization are ancient history; that one piece of ancient history just happens to be more recent than the other
- Wrong. One is ancient history, the other isn't. One is an act of colonization, the other isn't. Palestine was under Judea for a century 3 millennia ago. It was under Arab/Muslim rule for the better part of the 3 millennia since & the 1 millennia before, until it was invaded by the British & handed to the Jews.

- Even for the sake of argument we assume your position, those conquered are either wholly integrated today or long gone. Either way, no non-Arab claim to the land is extant, including from ancient Judea. The same way no non-Han claim to Han land (eastern China) is extant, since all others have been conquered 22 centuries ago. The same can not be said about Turkey vs Greece, or Morocco vs Spain for instance. Since all involved polities lay claim to same lands. The Palestinians whose land was taken by the British & handed to Jews still live & still claim their rights over it.

On a serious note. I actually have a lot more to say about this. It is a subject that deserves to be flushed out. There are many layers to this question itself & its merits, not just for this case, but in general. I might make a post on this topic.

(and the expulsion of the Jews from Israel is the most ancient piece of history of all) is irrelevant to the discussion.
- There is a +2000 years of recoded History in the region before Judea... Those people from back then still live there. 

What's relevant is that both Jews and Arabs are in the Middle East today. The question is how to make sure that both groups have a self-governing space large enough to accommodate their basic needs. At present, that question has been answered satisfactorily, with the exception of the Palestinian question.
- The Western arrogance is quite the thing, isn't it. The world belongs to us, & we decide who inherits it. LOL! You are an invader & you will be expelled & subsequently invaded yourself, sooner or later. – This very discussion would not exist in a slightly different power dynamic. Imagine a gypsy colonial pocket in today's USA supported by Arabs. Now back to reality. 

And the Palestinians are, of course, just Arabs.
- And Palestinian & Muslim. Jews are, of course, just European.

How do they know when they haven't seriously tried a political solution? Actually, scratch that, they did -- Hamas and then seeing if the Israelis would sustain the blockade in the face of moderate Gazan leadership, but the Gazans never did.
- Tone down the arrogance. It's reeking. Israel & US lost against Gaza, just as NATO lost against Taliban. Internalize that. – You might be onto something though, if you fail to subdue them through force, plead with the Resistance to lay down their arms peacefully, so they can be happy to be called "moderates". Win-win. LMAO! 

- Here is a challenge. Imagine this is a Jewish land for millennias & Arabs came from Europe & took it claiming it was promised to them 3 millennia ago. Subsequent events transpire, Jews in Gaza. Arabs in Tel Aviv. How do you qualify this?

If the West Bankers and Gazans actually put moderates in charge and stop letting their territory be used as a launchpad for terrorism...
- I can blame this on naivety, but it's just pure arrogance. As you said, Israel should start putting moderates in charge & disarm itself to show Palestinians it is seeking peace. Or better, when Palestinians possess equal military power & nuclear capability as Israel, which is likely not that far in the future, then we can talk about political solutions. How about that? – Israel is dominating for 70 years thanks to the full backing of the West, which has been dominating for 200 years. That's nothing in historical time. Muslim dominated the world for 10 centuries.

The PLO tried to take over Jordan in 1970. They failed.
- Israel tried to take over Gaza with its entire might with the full backing of the West using +500k troops & 7 Hiroshima bombs worth of bombing & FAILED. I'd say Jordan is incapable of defending against a force capable of inducing said failure.
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Which is it? Are neighboring Arabs scared of Palestinian refugees, or would they cheer them on as they seized power in said countries? If the latter, then what do democratically run Arab countries have to lose from accepting millions of Palestinian refugees?
- In principle, Arab regimes are in power & therefore would like to remain so. They want to keep the status-quo & not risk undermining their rule. They understand Israel's Zionist project of Greater Israel & its imperial purpose in the region & understand that Palestine itself is a buffer zone separating them, & would like to keep it that way. That said, unlike you & I & almost everyone who leads individualistic modern life, a people who remained steadfast & united even after losing everything (their homes, safety, relatives, health, & even a full belly) are too large for a modern nation state to manage. It's akin to adopting a nation into your country. A nation whose people are not afraid to lose anything. A nation too accustomed to war & capable of warfare, who just fought US-backed Israel to a standstill. – Yeah, there is no scenario in which any Arab regime would accept to take them in. The Arab peoples, however, would be delighted to have them. Of course.

If a vast horde of crazy genocidal Palestinians were to succeed in overrunning Israel, this outcome would be little different from being glassed with nuclear weapons, in which case the Israelis might as well take their enemies down with them.
- I love how you said "crazy genocidal Palestinians". That's pretty much all you can do in the face of utter defeat. Sensationalism is vacuum in face of power. – When it comes down to it they will pack their bags & leave probably screaming "genocidal Palestinians", starting with Netanyahu. 1 million Israelis left the area & 400k left the country just after Oct 7. It's not their land. Nuclear is overrated. Unless you get close to the megaton yields, its destructive power is not that extraordinarily significant, especially against reenforced concrete & bunkers. It is a deterrent agent, not meant for use. Only Russia & the US today have enough nuclear capabilities to wipe out nations. The nuclear warheads Israel posses are of yields between 15kT & 30kT. Their entire arsenal is barely enough to destroy –albeit completely– a 50 miles by 50 miles area. 

If Hamas can ill afford to furnish its new recruits with anything more than a basic sidearm, then this army won't be of much use.
- Idk, the 1x force already defeated half a million Israelis bombing them for 470 days with the full backing of the US. I think a 10x force is something to be reckoned with. Fortunately –or unfortunately– however you look at it, Israel just handed Hamas 10kT of explosives & hundreds of tanks, drones, helicopters, vehicles, & thousands of light artillery. I say that's sufficient loot to supply at least the 5x.

True. Also, if Israel holds onto the Philadelphi Corridor then it'll be difficult for Hamas to resupply itself through smuggling.
- Dude, 404 brain not found. Israel was literally occupying all the corridors in Gaza for the past year. Nothing changed. They tried everything. 2000 pounds bombs to destroy tunnels. Bury sensors deep underground. Flood them. Gas them... Hamas makes most of its artilery, not least the infamous locally made Yasin RPG that destroyed 1500 tanks. Can't say the same about Israel, where 70% of their arms are supplied by the US.


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Muslims don’t control India. Muslims are a minority controlled by Indians. In fact highly skilled Indian immigrants are all over muslim countries developing their economies.
- You must be Indian. I meant Hindu Indians. Muslim Indians are still probably anti-Zionist. Hindu Indian are mose Zionist then Hertzl . The Middle East alone produces 50% more STEM output than all of India, with a fraction of its population & 3x its income.

Since Israel cannot occupy Gaza it should hand it over to Trump.
- Israel with half a million troops & full US + UK + EU backing couldn't occupy Gaza, & the Trump can? With what?

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Since the 1940s, two state solutions have been offered. Every time, the Palestinian Arabs have refused them; the Arab League even boycotted meetings over the first offer of a two state solution. When Israel finally says, “That’s it. No more offers of a two state solution!” Hamas responds, “Well then, we will bake your babies and take hostages until you offer a two state solution!”
- Better than pleading the Resistance to lay down their arms while abiding by their demands. Not much you can impose when you lose. All downhill from here.

It's so odd. I honestly think we shouldn't treat them with kid gloves at all. 
- If so, I am guessing the non-kiddy glove version is full on nukes... Hey, at least you people are consistent. I mean, it's not like this stuff is taught in schools, yet you all share the same genocidal mania as your ancestors since the Crusades. It must be genes. – The folly of arrogance. The world doesn't belong to you. Israel couldn't kill its way to victory & lost. Deal with it. You are invaders & you will be expelled, & in turn invaded, sooner rather than later. That's the law of empires, except old empires built for sustainability & longevity, like the Romans or the Persians or the Muslims, yours builds for imminent collapse. Oh well!

They play the same game all sociopaths play and funny enough I learned it from Charles Manson.
They walk up and try to act bad ass and then when you hit them they play victim. 
Anyone who does the aggressive act followed by the victim act on repeat is sociopathic and should be dealt with accordingly. 
The same shit whether it is ghetto people, Hamas or gypsy's. 
Notice it's not every minority group either, you never see Mexicans or Africans or Asians pulling this shit, just the most subhuman sociopaths on the planet
-  Let it out buddy. It's all you can do at this point. Hope it helps.

What I mean is, Israel is willing to live next to a reservation, but Jordon refuses to take in all the Muslim radicals... 
- The Israelis can leave & go back where they came from if it's too hard for them to bare.

Carve out a ghetto in Jordan? Nimby.
- There isn't much you can do when you don't actually win.
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You make very good points. The original plan of Israel was to completely destroy Hamas, but now Israel finds itself unable to do even that, which is why Israel agreed to a ceasefire and now will be forced to release all Palestinians it kept in prisons for years.
- It's glaringly obvious indeed. Not to these poor fools apparently. Hasbara is working & the JIDF are getting their money's worth. I guess they are spending $150 million for nothing

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You are invaders & you will be expelled, & in turn invaded, sooner rather than later.
Retarded liberals are not in charge  anymore. We know the goal was always invasion. At first you pretend to be a religion of peace than when you are the majority you start prosecuting the people nice enough to save you from third world shitholes.  Then you start legalizing pedophilia like your obviously false prophet and then the new society becomes very poor and people begin to starve and the death cult claims having this horrible life is a victory. 

You know the worst thing that could happen to you guys is victory. Because then who would you blame for having shitty societies?
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The Israelis can leave & go back where they came from if it's too hard for them to bare.
They literally came from Israel and it's funny Muslims didn't really care about that piece of land, it was very sparsely populated prior to the Jews return and then when they came back the Muslims could have mooched off of them but preferred to make war. I am sure after the 6 day war Muslims have the same copes as they do now where they declare victory
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Retarded liberals are not in charge  anymore.
- Retarded republicans are, yes.

We know the goal was always invasion. At first you pretend to be a religion of peace than when you are the majority you start prosecuting the people nice enough to save you from third world shitholes. Then you start legalizing pedophilia like your obviously false prophet and then the new society becomes very poor and people begin to starve and the death cult claims having this horrible life is a victory. 
- When can we expect these results of poverty & starvation? Maybe then you'll think less about Israel & more about your belly.

You know the worst thing that could happen to you guys is victory. Because then who would you blame for having shitty societies?
- You literally sound like a retard. "sHitTy sOciEtieS" "HUhUhHAUHUHu"... The average 'Murikan ladies & gentlemen. Your overlords are very happy with you.

They literally came from Israel
- Why are you complaining about immigrants then, they literally came from the US.

and it's funny Muslims didn't really care about that piece of land, it was very sparsely populated prior to the Jews
- Not funnier than how Whites didn't really care about Europe & America. Europe & the US were very sparsely populated prior to the Muslims. 

return and then when they came back the Muslims could have mooched off of them but preferred to make war. I am sure after the 6 day war Muslims have the same copes as they do now where they declare victory
- Hey, it was a good run while it lasted. Now kick the bucket & scram off. Netanyahu's days are numbered. 
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When can we expect these results of poverty & starvation? Maybe then you'll think less about Israel & more about your belly.
That literally doesn't happen in the west. It only happens in non white countries and no, Slavic people don't count as white 

- You literally sound like a retard. "sHitTy sOciEtieS" "HUhUhHAUHUHu"... The average 'Murikan ladies & gentlemen. Your overlords are very happy with you.
Yeah Pakistan is awesome to live in so is Somalia and Iran LOL.

Why are you complaining about immigrants then, they literally came from the US.
No Indians usually come from India

They settled India long ago just like whites settled America 

- Hey, it was a good run while it lasted. Now kick the bucket & scram off. Netanyahu's days are numbered. 
10 years from now you will be saying the same thing. "Israel is almost over, Just. 2 more weeks"

How many decades do you have to repeat this until you learn it's nonsense?
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Seriously if every Christian country has terrible societies like with the Gaza strip or Pakistan or Afghanistan  I would just assume it was God punishing me for having the wrong beliefs and then try to get in line with and follow the will of God.
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Here’s a good video from Al Jazeera detailing how Hamas has met many of its objectives:



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Here’s a good video from Al Jazeera detailing how Hamas has met many of its objectives:

It is still a very fragile peace treaty.
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Indeed. As was the ceasefire in effect prior to October 7, 2023.
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I thought yassine had some good points about it than he just distracts the good points by peppering in ridiculous stuff like something about an 80 year curse or something. 

I just couldn't do foreign policy like that. When you are such a superior power than you either destroy the organization so there is no reward or you literally murder the decision makers so that way the individuals who made the decisions can be sent to the eternal fire
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I try to learn something new wherever possible. For example, I learned that one of Hamas’ realized objectives was to interfere with or foil the Abraham Accords.
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That literally doesn't happen in the west.
- Aw! U sho shpeshial! Friend, come on drop the inferiority complex. It's already happening. That's the fate of all empires... yours is beyond decadent. – The median wage in the US today is lower than it was in the 70s. No USD as WRC & you're 80% poorer overnight! Italy's real GDP today is less than what it was 30 years ago. I could keep going... Europe/West was about the poorest region in the world for much of human history, especially the northern & western regions who upgraded from being barbarians barely 5 centuries ago. The last couple centuries are an exception. The Ottoman Empire's income was 5 times that of the richest country in Europe, France, in the 1700s. That's like the difference between the US & South Africa today. Western Europe reached 9th century Abbasid Empire income levels first in the 1900s & only surpassed it for good post-WWII, less than 80 years ago. Your countries only survive with infinite plundering & swindling everyone else. You can't stand on your own. Maybe you should try before it's too late.

It only happens in non white countries and no,
- Bruh! You're going extinct. At your current fertility rate in a 100 years there'll be as many of you as Japs. That's too few. Sad, but true story. Instead of mumbling "Moose limbs" all day like a PTSD patient, get your women out of the workforce & go make some babies. Lots of them. We still like you guys. Shame if you disappear.

Slavic people don't count as white
- I see what you doing... You been to Russia? Better than most Western cities. The difference is, Slavs don't have USD & are doing great, whereas your country will collapse the moment it loses USD as WRC, or any of its 100 other institution built to exploit the world.

Yeah Pakistan is awesome to live in so is Somalia and Iran LOL.
- Sign... Hard cope! Take a tour downtown San Fran. As it happens, these countries have a +3000 years of recorded history. & each gave rise to several great empires lasting centuries before your country even existed. As to Iran today, they have roughly the same income level as Eastern Europe, though boasting a greater industrial output than "powerful" countries like the UK & France. That, despite the US spending hundreds of billion of dollars a year on spreading Wokeness, regime change & bribes under the pretext of "aid" to keep these countries in perpetual instability & war, tied to its interests.

No Indians usually come from India
- r/woosh 

They settled India long ago just like whites settled America
- Different meanings of "settled" though...

10 years from now you will be saying the same thing. "Israel is almost over, Just. 2 more weeks"
- Look. It's simple. If, with your full might with full backing of the West, you still can not even overpower a 20k men force with basic artillery, it's time to count your days. 

How many decades do you have to repeat this until you learn it's nonsense?
- You see, words mean Jack. Like "we will destroy Khamas completely"... The US itself will not survive, or at least maintain its power, for decades. That's an impossibility.

Seriously if every Christian country has terrible societies like with the Gaza strip or Pakistan or Afghanistan  I would just assume it was God punishing me for having the wrong beliefs and then try to get in line with and follow the will of God.
- It's all you. All of it. The reason why Afghanistan, Gaza... are in bad shape is the same reason why most Christian countries outside the West are the shitholest countries in the World, because your Christian countries can only survive by crushing by any means possible any hope of nation building in the world. But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

Here’s a good video from Al Jazeera detailing how Hamas has met many of its objectives:
- Here is one detailing how Israel met their objectives: https://x.com/i/status/1893440345708388372 , & yes, that's an Israeli POW kissing the foreheads of Hamas fighters...

I thought yassine had some good points about it than he just distracts the good points by peppering in ridiculous stuff like something about an 80 year curse or something. 
- Indeed it's ridiculous. Tell that to your Jewish overlords, they might just be convinced & let go of those heifers they keeping.

I just couldn't do foreign policy like that. When you are such a superior power than you either destroy the organization so there is no reward or you literally murder the decision makers so that way the individuals who made the decisions can be sent to the eternal fire
- Good to see you back to power dynamics. You're right, the feat of "destroying" is the relevant aspect of this story, such that lack thereof makes you –in your words– NOT a superior power. – 400 billion dollars of military funding, 2 million troops & dozens of empty stockpiles, +1700 sanctions on Russia... just to end with losing a quarter of Ukraine. I wonder how the US will fare against a country like China that produces 400x more military grade ships than the US a year & 15x steel & 30x concrete...

I try to learn something new wherever possible. For example, I learned that one of Hamas’ realized objectives was to interfere with or foil the Abraham Accords.
- Indeed, successfully. Now even the UAE is calling for a Palestinian state as declared by Ben Zayd just recently. Israelis, or rather Netanyahu's regime, grew complicit thinking signing the Abraham Accords will pave the way to normalization with the Arab world sans Palestinian state & subsequently stifle the Palestinian cause forever. Today, however, every Arab nation including those who normalized relations with Israel & are antagonistic to Hamas (like the UAE) are calling for the 2 State Solution. – This deals yet another huge blow to Israel's Zionist project. Israel lost on all fronts, save against some real tough rubble & kids.

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Today, however, every Arab nation including those who normalized relations with Israel & are antagonistic to Hamas (like the UAE) are calling for the 2 State Solution. – This deals yet another huge blow to Israel's Zionist project. Israel lost on all fronts, save against some real tough rubble & kids.
Israel always works out deals for 2 state solutions that get rejected with pleas of 'from the river to the sea"


400 billion dollars of military funding, 2 million troops & dozens of empty stockpiles, +1700 sanctions on Russia... just to end with losing a quarter of Ukraine. I wonder how the US will fare against a country like China that produces 400x more military grade ships than the US a year & 15x steel & 30x concrete...
That's Ukraine not the United states. Also China? They literally have building collapsing due to poor construction. They have their own brand of electric vehicles which keep catching fire. 

Outside of a few major cities life is like the 17th century or worse and in the cities it's only a select few who live well. It's not a nation that's  good for much other than providing cheap labor. If you want to buy the hype they make good ships go for it. Certainly we"ll lie to the American public and claim they do here as well when we need Congress to approve budget increases 


because your Christian countries can only survive by crushing by any means possible any hope of nation building in the world. But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
I think the whole world benefits when a nation drops their backwards thinking and starts becoming productive and providing a good life for their citizens.

But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
That's silly, there was a withdrawal from Afghanistan because we want to become more isolationist. The people we left in charge of the country let the Taliban take over. That didn't happen under US occupation. 

You are lying about the state of the economy and I think the Taliban are doing some good things like banning baka bazi and the opium production, but the economy was only doing good because of the opium and they aren't intelligent enough to build factories or anything so they won't develop.

Take a tour downtown San Fran. As it happens, these countries have a +3000 years of recorded history. & each gave rise to several great empires lasting centuries before your country even existed
We are trying to remove California from America also it's LA that's the shit hole Sandransisco Isn't so bad.
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Do you believe that Hamas fights Israel in a fashion consistent with Allah’s directives? I ask in order to learn both how you believe Hamas wages war and how you believe Allah directs wars to be fought.
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Israel always works out deals for 2 state solutions that get rejected with pleas of 'from the river to the sea"
- Do you worship Israel or are you just a fed? – I don't care to argue this nonsense. But please do keep up. The narrative has changed. No one is pretending anymore. You don't have to keep pretending either. It's all out in the open. The US & Israel are officially intending to take over Gaza & the West Bank. The Abraham Accords' aim was to sweep the Palestinian statehood under the rug, hence Oct 7. Regardless, this is low IQ caveman thinking & it's cringe. A "deal" is only dictated by the underlined power dynamics. Everything else is nonsense. If Israel & the US win, there would be no Palestinian state, if the Palestinians win there would be no Israeli state –certainly not a sovereign one at the very least.

That's Ukraine not the United states.
- It's a NATO vs Russia war using Ukrainian fodder troops in which they lost a quarter of its territory the size of Britain; & solely because Russia was only interested in annexing Russian-speaking territories from Ukraine. – The US is currently negotiating the peace with Russia, not Ukraine. 

Also China? They literally have building collapsing due to poor construction. They have their own brand of electric vehicles which keep catching fire. 
- This sounds like a "China fakes everything" bit. LOL! You know 4 in 5 EVs in the world are made in China, 3 of which are Chinese brands, BYD alone makes 2.5x more than Tesla...  Have you seen their cars? Tesla & Mercedes are shit in comparison. Check these out: BYD U8 & Huawei M9. You may wanna sit down for this one.

Outside of a few major cities life is like the 17th century or worse and in the cities it's only a select few who live well.
- Dude, this is downright embarrassing. I get the 'Murika! sense of pride, but at some point you just gotta take the L. No city in the US today comes even close to the level of modern infrastructure in the average city in China, let alone places like Shenzhen or Shanghai. – You know the Chinese are among the best engineers & scientists in the US. Guess what, there are like 100x of them IN China...

It's not a nation that's  good for much other than providing cheap labor.
- 80s talk. Today, there is virtually no real development metric in which the US surpasses China in absolute terms. China's real industrial output is 3x that of the US, so is its scientific output in STEM fields. That's greater than the difference between the US & Germany. Its agriculture sector is 7x that of the US. That's how small the US is compared to China. Let that sink in. – The US has the Stock exchange, the USD & the Finance industry, all basically pyramid milking schemes. The very small gaps between the countries in the very few niches will inevitably disappear & reverse, like all else.

If you want to buy the hype they make good ships go for it. Certainly we"ll lie to the American public and claim they do here as well when we need Congress to approve budget increases 
- More than 1 in 2 ships in the World are made in China... China builds close to 2k ships a year, the US builds 5.

I think the whole world benefits when a nation drops their backwards thinking and starts becoming productive and providing a good life for their citizens.
- Naivety or arrogance? Hmm... My advice, forget other nations & mind yours. & if you really wanna save your country & your race, you should drop all the nonsense labels you been indoctrinated into since you were a baby, paid for & enforced by the state itself, for, DUH!, no other reason then to keep the state in power & keep you down like a slave forever. 

That's silly, there was a withdrawal from Afghanistan because we want to become more isolationist. The people we left in charge of the country let the Taliban take over. That didn't happen under US occupation. 
- Sure thang bro. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

You are lying about the state of the economy
- I don't lie. You are welcome to check the facts yourself. I know these things are shocking to you, welcome to reality. I am happy to share sources or provide more detail on whatever you feel apprehensive about. – To name a few ongoing mega projects in Afghanistan: the 300km Koshtapa Canal (largest in Asia) ; the 3 million residents New Kabul City ; the 2000km Kafharat Railway ; the $6bn rare earth mineral Mining Project (with China)...etc. 

and I think the Taliban are doing some good things like banning baka bazi and the opium production, but the economy was only doing good because of the opium and they aren't intelligent enough to build factories or anything so they won't develop.
- Idk, Afghans built the first industrialized empire, the Mughal Empire. Britain's industrial "revolution" was basically a relocation of British India Co factories (textile, shipbuilding...etc) from the Bengal Bay to the British Isles because they lost a war against the Mughals over refusing to pay fair taxes. Afghans also built the first international observatory, thanks to which Ulug Bey & his student Ali Qujshi developed the astronomical model Copernicus would plagiarize a couple centuries later. – Humans are intelligent beings. Germans were barbarians still 5000 years after Egyptians first built the pyramids, yet once urbanized they were able to build a magnificent nation & great innovations surpassing the pyramids in a few centuries. 

We are trying to remove California from America also it's LA that's the shit hole Sandransisco Isn't so bad.
- I thought "DiS nEvweR haPpeNs in ze wESt"... if it happens to some cities, it would happen to all. – I have friends who live in the Bay Area all they want is leave that shithole. San Diego is still nice though. My wife's favorite city.
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If I hate them and tell you they won than it really should show you, your level of delusion.
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If I hate them and tell you they won than it really should show you, your level of delusion.
- You still haven't answered my question, are you a fed?
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No obviously not. No fed says the word nigger as much as I do
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I am blocking you. Yes I have called you a retard and a pedophile but AI have never sunk so low as to call you a fed. 

Jesus fucking Christ. You have to be a troll. You can't literally think "well we weren't genocided so that is a victory"

It's like somebody losing a football game. "We got some points on the board so really they lost because they didn't shut us out"

This level of brainwashing takes serious work
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I am blocking you. Yes I have called you a retard and a pedophile
Pedophile isnt really an insult. All your ancestors were pedophiles.

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It’s odd that he boasts so eagerly on Hamas’ behalf, especially considering this fact:

“When Hamas assumed power in 2006, it shut down many Sufi zawiyas (meeting places) on the pretext that they posed a danger to society.”

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No obviously not. No fed says the word nigger as much as I do
- Sounds like something a fed would say.

I am blocking you.
- Fair enough. I was half joking tbh. I kinda like you, oh well.

Yes I have called you a retard and a pedophile but AI have never sunk so low as to call you a fed. 
- I am offended to be ruled out as a fed. I could be a fed.

Jesus fucking Christ.
- DUDE, aren't you Christian! 

You have to be a troll.
- I am here to debate & intellectually eviscerate my opponents. Sometimes trolling does the job.

You can't literally think "well we weren't genocided so that is a victory"
It's like somebody losing a football game. "We got some points on the board so really they lost because they didn't shut us out"
This level of brainwashing takes serious work
- You have it backwards. First, you kinda backtracking & admitting Israel "won" short of total genocide. Second, mass killing to achieve victory is the standard modus operandi of the West, even against each-other. But that only works when your adversary is actually defeated or surrenders. It worked on Japan in WWII, it didn't work on Russia. A couple hundred thousands civilian deaths compelled Japan to surrender, yet 15 million civilian deaths did not to Russia, & the Soviets won. – Israel may have wiped out 5% of Gaza's population, yet utterly failed to subdue Hamas which is still ruling the strip, their forces growing, & Israel abiding by the prisoner exchange they proposed Oct 8th. Rubble doesn't fight back... 

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- I saw your question, I shall answer it shortly.

It’s odd that he boasts so eagerly on Hamas’ behalf, especially considering this fact:
“When Hamas assumed power in 2006, it shut down many Sufi zawiyas (meeting places) on the pretext that they posed a danger to society.”
- You know Hamas are Sufis right? Their spiritual founder Izzdeen Qassam & political founder Ahmad Yasin & the father of its leader Ismail Haniay were Sufi sheikhs of the Shadili order. In fact, one of the conditions to join the Qassam Brigates (military wing of Hamas) is to memorize & recited the daily Shadili prayer book. Although Imam Shadili (founder of the Shadili order) was the spiritual leader of the Mamluk Dynasty, Sufism in the region didn't start with him. Sunni Sufism is as old as Islam, & simply expresses the beloved Prophet (pbuh) teachings on spirituality, as opposed to law or theology. – The article is not wrong about closing some Zawiya, indeed. Ahmadi & Alawi sufis, really?! The sects funded & founded by the Brits? These are fake fronts for foreign agents. Salafi/Wahhabi mosques are also banned by Hamas.
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- I saw your question, I shall answer it shortly.
Excellent; thanks.

You know Hamas are Sufis right?
Uh no, I did not realize that. I had assumed, it seems incorrectly, that Sufis are not very political, and Hamas is nothing if not political. My rudimentary search immediately found that article indicating that Hamas has persecuted Sufis. So, would you say that this article is on the right track?

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Do you believe that Hamas fights Israel in a fashion consistent with Allah’s directives? I ask in order to learn both how you believe Hamas wages war and how you believe Allah directs wars to be fought.
- Very well put question. I assume this is a genuine question, so I am gunna answer genuinely. But I will ask you similar questions, how do you believe Israel wages war? Is this consistent with Christian/Western/American... values? Is this morally justifiable according to you?

- Hamas traces its roots to Izzdeen Qassam. Just like Emir Abdelkader in Algeria, Omar Mukhtar in Lybia, Abdelkrim Khattabi in Morocco, or Saladin liberator of Jerusalem before them, Izzdeen Qassam was a Sufi sheikh turned leader of resistance when his country was invaded. He would eventually be killed by the British, but the resistance would continue after him & ultimately grow into what is now called Fasail Muqawama (resistance factions), which consists of 12 factions, among them the military wing of Hamas itself called Kataib Qassam. Hamas, as the de-facto government in Gaza, manages these factions as a state would manage its army. They also manage all other things a normal state would: a police force, public schools, parks, roads, healthcare, energy... etc. – In this context, instead of Hamas I will be referencing Resistance.  They are Sunni (traditionalist) Muslims of the Shafii legal school, Ashari theological school & Shadili mystical (Sufi) school. This fact is of utmost relevancy to understand not just their beliefs & actions, but also the overall power dynamics. 

- How does the Resistance wage warfare & is it consistent with Islamic Law (Allah's directives)? The conversation boils down to two things: Ismah (Inviolability) & Jihad (literally struggle, but in this context: Just War), in accordance with the traditional schools of Law, namely Shafii.

• Ismah in Islam – Inviolability is the sanctity of the 6 basic rights: faith, life, reason, progeny, property, & honor. The role of the state is in preserving these sacred rights (i.e. state protection & due legal recourse). There are two camps in Sharia on this: that Inviolability is contingent on non-hostility (Hanafi), or that Inviolability is contingent on treaty (Shafii). The Resistance fall under the second affiliation. That is the strict dichotomy of Treat or War: we are in a state of peace in case of treaty –referred to as Abode of Peace, otherwise we are in a state of war –referred to as Abode of War.

• The Abode of Peace is inclusive of the covenant of Faith (millah) for Muslims, & also of Protection (dhimmah), Asylum (istiman), & Treaty (ahd), for non-Muslims citizen, temporary resident, or non-resident respectively. All these groups are Inviolable in Sharia by divine decree. – This abode excludes those whose life is forfeit (transgressors deserving capital punishment), Muslim apostates, political traitors, & Arab polytheists.

• The Abode of War consists of: Combatants (muharib), non-Muslims militarily fit free adult males at war with Muslims, these are non-inviolable in Sharia (meaning, enjoy no state guarantee in sacred rights & no legal recourse). Non-combatants (musalim), non-Muslims non-combatant women, children, elderly, slaves, disabled, insane, peasants, laborers, monks..., these are semi-inviolable (meaning, enjoy no state guarantee in sacred rights but have legal recourse) – However, this excludes any person on the battlefield, tangibly supporting the combatants (through funding for instance), or transgressing against Muslims. & Prisoners of War (asir), non-Muslims captured by Muslims in battle before they convert. These are semi-inviolable.– the Prophet (pbuh) said: "do not kill the women, the children, the elderly. Also the chronically ill, the blind, the monk, and the slave must not be killed, you must not kill a woman or a laborer”… 

• Captives in Sharia (POWs) have the right to be accommodated (food, shelter, care), exchanged (against Muslim prisoners), ransomed (by their kin or country), pardoned (mass amnesty for greater peace), released (back to his country), assimilated (into Muslim society) &/or emancipated (as a free citizen) –in this order. This of course entails the prohibition of having sexual intercourse with POWs, regardless whether consensual or coerced, the Sharia penalty of which, if proven, can range between 100 lashes & stoning. "So when you meet the disbelievers in battle, strike their necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later free them either as an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end." (Quran 47:4) "Indeed, the righteous will drink from a cup [of wine] whose mixture is of Kāfūr, [...] And they give food in spite of love for it1 to the needy, the orphan, and the captive" (76:8)

• There is a discretionary principle of reciprocity in Islamic Politics (not a legal issue), but it does not override the Law. For instance, a commander may chose to kill a POWs for being especially cruel or other reasons, like Saladin killing Reginald. To put things in perspective, in a nation state nationals are inviolable whereas non-nationals are non-inviolable. That is, an innocent Iraqi killed, robbed or captured by an American in Iraq has no right in American Law to not be killed, or legal recourse when robbed, or POWs rights whatsoever if captured. 

• Jihad – Just War in Sharia relates to both defensive warfare (Jihad Dafa) & offensive warfare (Jihad Talab). Defensive warfare is reflected in two types: Nafeer, when your nation is under attack & sacred rights violated; & Nusra, when another nation is under attack. Nafeer is Just War in Sharia under the conditions: for the cause of Allah, legitimate leadership, martial preparedness (availability of weapons & training...), a ratio of force less than 10 to 1, not ally with a non-Muslim against a Muslim aggressor, & adherence to Sharia commands in warfare conduct (such as not killing non-combatants, treating POW fairly, not burning trees or killing cattle, not mutilating bodies...etc). "Permission to fight back is hereby granted to those being fought, for they have been wronged. And Allah is truly Most Capable of helping them prevail. They are those who have been expelled from their homes for no reason other than proclaiming: “Our Lord is Allah.” Had Allah not repelled the aggression of some people by means of others, destruction would have surely claimed monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which Allah’s Name is often mentioned. Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty." (Quran 22:39)

• All that been said, some of the relevant elements in our context are: Palestinians have been driven out of their homes & villages & put in refugee camps in Gaza under siege; the enemy soldiers are actively killing Palestinians families & destroying their homes; the Resistance has a reasonable level of preparedness in terms of military training & arsenal against the enemy; their sponsors are Muslim & their enemies are not; Israel has no peace treaty with Palestinians except the occasional truce; adult Israelis are in principle combatants due to the conscription law for men & women; most Israelis if not active combatants are tangibly supporting them; Israel holds thousands of Palestinian prisoners; Israelis in the Gaza belt live in the stolen homes & villages of the Gazans...etc. All this is a textbook case of Just War.

• How is the Resistance waging war? – They recaptured the Gaza belt, exchanged fire with the IDF, shot at possible non-combatants at the festival, shot at whoever shot at them anywhere, captured mostly IDF soldiers & a number of civilians for prisoner exchange, protected those captured against heavy Israeli fire under Hannibal directive & died for it, drove some of them back to Gaza for the sole purpose of keeping them safe from Israel (like some elderly people two mothers with their babies & Thai workers), kept the prisoners in safe houses in Gaza & accommodated their needs (food clothes hygiene...etc), assigned females for female POWs needs, protected them with their lives against Israel's constant bombing, grouped them according to family & town so they keep their socialization, afforded them prayer areas & gathering places for entertainment & so on, treated them with dignity, released these prisoners for the exchange in dignified manner & even sent them away with goody bags, kept the dignity of the women POWs, ambushed & killed IDFs in Gaza, fired rockets into Israel, killed informants for Israel, crucified spies for Israel who participated in the death of members, sieged & killed rebels calling for Wahhabism in Gaza, distributed coming aid & punished Israeli backed gangs, set a price limit for goods entering Gaza so people don't get exploited, collaborated with Iran & Hizbllah & Huthis against Israel, put their members through training in matters of Islamic law & morality...etc.

• Most of the above is clearly consistent with Islamic commands, with few cases of contention:
1. The festival shootout: this would be considered a battlefield, therefore no person in the premises is inviolable by Sharia, i.e. enjoys no guaranteed sacred rights nor has legal recourse. The exception is if a non-combatant is there by accident. It is up to the Israelis to protect their own in this case. But we all know Israel shelled the whole thing with helicopters & tanks, & any car that moved, killing many of their own.
2. The captured "civilians". A 'civilian' in the conventional sense (as opposed to military) is not necessarily considered a non-combatant in Sharia. In fact, a civilian can be more dangerous than a military soldier if better armed. By default, any militarily able adult male is considered a combatant unless otherwise the case, like workers or farmers...etc. Also, persons in a battlefield or actively supporting the enemy are not immune to capture in Sharia. In effect, this leaves a handful of captured like children along with the Thai workers to be considered non-combatants. The resistance themselves expressed they had no intent to take them, but they had to lest they be obliterated by the heave Israeli fire.
3. The fired rockets. As stated, Israel in this case is an Abode of War. Therefore, no non-Muslim Israelis are fully inviolable in Sharia. Even the non-combatants are semi-violable, as they only have legal recourse. For instance, as improbable as it is, if a rocket hits & kills a child, the family of the child then have a right to legal recourse against the Resistance, namely the right to demand blood-money in compensation for their loss. 
4. Alleged rape. Well, staring is not rape even by Sharia standards. I'am referring to Moran Yanai who wrote: "They held us for 27 hours in a room with a force of soldiers, the elite of Hamas. Then Muhammad came, you don't understand what a beautiful boy. The most beautiful man I've ever seen in Gaza. 24 years old, porcelain face, rosy cheeks, beard, mustache, everything is neat, precise as if, standing like this, sturdy, with fluent Hebrew. So for ten hours I talked to him, tried to reach him." then said: “If a guard stares at you every day for ten minutes, trust me that's rape”. – Truth is, Muslims aren't allowed to touch a woman, let alone have extramarital sex with her.
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Uh no, I did not realize that. I had assumed, it seems incorrectly, that Sufis are not very political, and Hamas is nothing if not political. My rudimentary search immediately found that article indicating that Hamas has persecuted Sufis. So, would you say that this article is on the right track?
- This whole thing is a misconception. Sufi masters (REAL Sufis) are themselves the religious leaders of Muslims (Sunnis in particular). Sufism is simply the third dimension of Islam. That is, the beloved Prophet (pbuh) teachings pertaining to the 3 dimensions of body, mind & soul developed into 3 traditions:
• Morality – Fiqh – Islamic Law: teachings pertaining to body, i.e. actions – crystallized into the 4 legal schools of thought (Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii....)
• Rationality – Kalam – Islamic Theology: teachings pertaining to mind, i.e. beliefs & convictions – crystallized into the 3 theological schools of thought (Ashari, Maturidi & Athari)
• Spirituality – Tasawuf – Islamic Mysticism (or Sufism): teachings pertaining to soul, i.e. intentions & emotions – crystallized into a number of mystical schools of thought, including Shadili to which Hamas belongs.

- Sufi masters (REAL ones) are inevitably master jurists & master theologians as well, & generally polymaths in many other fields. Such as Imam Ghazali, Imam Fakhr Razi, Imam Shadili, Imam Suyuti, Imam Sanusi...etc. Imam Razi for instance, wrote encyclopedic works on Jurisprudence, Legal Theory, Theology, Philosophy, Medicine, Physics, Mathematics, Literature, Linguistics, History, even a dictionary... Sufis refers to those in context who adhere to a Sufi school/order. Most "Sufi" gurus are not real Sufis, more like spiritual charlatans who pray on the weak minded to gain wealth. – The great Muslim founders & conquerors were generally Sufis disciples of great Sufi masters, like Saladin founder of the Ayyubi dynasty, Qutuz founder of the Mamluk dynasty, Osman founder of the Ottoman dynasty, Mehmet Fatih the conqueror. – The whole Sufi cucked simps notion is a scam, promoted by the Colonialists because virtually all resistance movements in the Muslim world were led by Sufis.

- More relevant context I may make a post about:

• The Muslim Brotherhood are a political movement established by al-Banna to fight imperialism based on Rashid Reda principle of Nur (light): that is, ignoring differences between Muslims against the common imperial enemy. Initially, all sorts of sects even non-Muslim participated, including Salafis & Shia. However, Shia divorced the movement during the Iraq-Iran war & the Salafis divorced it during the Arab Spring, henceforth becoming the greatest enemy of Gulf states, since it is an existential threat to their regimes. Although this movement was banned among traditional Sunnis in the Arab world, there are exceptions including a few Hamas founders/leaders in alliance with Turkish religious leaders.

• Turkey, or Erdogan & his faction in particular, are also Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi legal school, Maturidi theological school & Naqshabandi mystical Sufi school. Naqshabandis are the inheritors of the Ottomans & the keepers of the beloved Prophet (pbuh)'s mantle & sword, which in Muslim history symbolizes supreme power, or the Caliph (literally meaning successor to the Prophet (pbuh)). Erdogan's faction plays the long game & acts on the principle of : we can't beat them but we can join them while we build alternatives. Reason why Erdogan stayed in power for so long as an ally to the West but also to their enemies, presiding a secular nation but also a religious one, commanding a secular army but also a Muslim one, normalizing with Israel but also with Hamas...etc. – This mode of governance will be adopted by countries like Qatar as well, & recently Syria.

• Saudis & Co are reformist Muslims of the Wahabism sect founded by Ibn Abd-Wahab in the mid-18th century who were funded & armed by the British to kick the Ottomans out of Arabia. They are staunchly opposed to all traditional schools. During the Sahwa period (1990s) they switched to calling themselves Salafis (orthodox) & then the true Sunnis. In a 2016 conference organized by Kadirov & Putin comprising all world Sunni schools (like al-Azhar) declared Wahabism a non-Sunni sect. In fact, Wahabis, albeit claim to be, are not just non-Sunnis, they consider Sunnis (who follow traditional schools) to be innovators & idolaters.

• ISIS, al-Qaeda...etc belong to the Sururi faction of Wahabism who is not loyal to the Saudi regime, as opposed to the Madkhali faction dominant in Saudi & UAE who are 100% loyal to the regime. These may differ in political allegiance but share the same ideology & same Western affinity. Reason why ISIS kills almost exclusively Muslims for US interests & never Israelis, for they deem these idolaters & others People of the Book. We have a famous saying about them "their leaders are funded & their followers are shepherded".

• Iran & Co are reformist revisionist Muslims of the Shia sect, i.e. adopt Wilayat Faqih Shiism of Khomeini. They not only believe in the coming of their last Imam Mehdi (savior of End Times who fights the Jews in the Holy Land to welcome the Messiah Jesus (pbuh)), but also believe a successor must be appointed to actively seek his coming, by political force if necessary. Hence, the Ayatolah. 

• Israel & Co are Zionist Jews who believe in actively establishing a Jewish homeland, by political & military force, in their promised land between the rivers with Jerusalem as its capital & home to the Third Temple, for the final goal of welcoming the Mashiach & inhering the earth.

• Iran funds & arms the Resistance despite the ideological rift for 4 reasons: as an overall battle front against the US like a Soviet Cuba south of the US; as a military base bordering its enemy Israel in the region to bridge the vast distance such that Iran can reach Israel whereas Israel can't reach Iran; as a leverage against Saudi/UAE who see the political Islamic movements as an existential threat to their monarchies; & ultimately as a tool to bring about the coming of Mehdi (End Times) by bringing about the the end of Israel.

• Saudi/UAE are ideologically & politically antithetical to the Resistance on a fundamental level. Since they deem Sunnis apostates or idolators (who constitute 90% of Muslims worldwide), they believe the Muslim lands except Arabia occupied land by idolaters. That means they see Israel & Hamas & Taliban & Iran & Turkey..etc equally as occupiers; & that Palestinians or Israelis equally as non-Muslim, except idolaters (Palestinians) are worse than People of the Book (Jews). Hence, Fatwas by their Mufti on the tune of "Muslim Palestinians must leave the Holy Land if they don't feel safe because it's non-Muslim land", "Better to stay a Jew than convert to -traditional- Islam", "You must make prayers against Hamas" "Istanbul has never been liberated by Muslims because Ottomans are idolators" (this extends to Palestine)... Knowing this, ISIS's actions become crystal clear, who even deem it beneficial to unite with Israel & fight the idolators & apostates (Sunnis & Shia).

• The current Arab regimes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, UAE, Lebanon & Asad's Syria are legacy to the Colonial powers & maintained by US. Hence, their interests are tied to US/Israeli interests. Moreover, a successful Hamas means embolden Islamist movements in the region to revolt against these regimes, like what happened in the Arab Spring. Therefore, the Resistance must never be allowed to win in their eyes.

• Turkey's & Qatar's partnership with Hamas revolves mainly around providing political cover & logistic support to Palestine & the Resistance. Such as, international representation, safe haven, travel, facilitating trade between Palestine & the rest of the world, humanitarian aid, study abroad, infrastructure... etc. Post Oct 7, trade between Turkey & Palestine which was done previously through Israel was completely shifted towards direct trade with Palestine through alternate channels, subsequently cutting all relations with Israel.

• Under Turkish stewardship, Turkish backed Syrian Army & allied Idlib factions took over Syria. This for several goals: solve the refugee crisis in Turkey which is the main political contention of Erdogan's opponents (who happen to be funded by USAID...); secure Turkish borders against US-backed Kurds & subsequently subdue them; establish a Turkish friendly bordering state; extend the Blue Ocean plan to the Mediterranean & around Cyprus (for political leverage & oil reserves); open a northern front against Israel under pretext of military alliance with Syria. – In short, eliminate all main points of pressure, internal & external, by the West against Turkey in order to preparedly engage Israel. Albeit long term goals, similar successful strategies have been implemented by Erdogan to take over Karabakh & Libya.