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@ILikePie5
Just claim it as 13 reasons why. there are 7 people already voting for that.
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@sadolite
Nope, I don't wanna bet. Betting will eventually make me lose money based on my luck.
If you say that this isn't about that, then I will question your decision putting that as the title.
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@Vader
You can have fun giggling at random gangsters getting hit by thin air.
The worst game is the one where you have the least fun.
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I mean, I tried to infiltrate DebateIsland.com, and found there is an entire topic about tea. Yeah, TEA. Now that I think about it, Current events are not that bad, at least it isn't some topic about "Misinformation about religious cults in Northern Oklahoma and Southeastern rural areas of Sardinia, France". or "The act of committing theft in uptown Los Angeles when 40 corrupt governmental members are surrounding you with handguns and grenades".
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@Crocodile
Super Noah ark 3d is unoriginal and poorly-crafted, but you can play it as Doom and still have fun regardless. You can't top my example.
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Absolutely zero souls:
Trent:
___ is greater than ___, as of now.
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@RationalMadman
I am, actually. I am probably very different on the internet(and I accept on the internet, I am quite close to my "stereotype"), but in real life, which is vastly different, I am basically Trent.
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@RationalMadman
Not True. I am rather close to Trent's stereotype in actuality.
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Self-stereotype: The biggest f*cking tryhard on the entire site. He actually has some skill but no one will care if he is down over there. Almost the lowest ranking debater who actually tries to debate good and win.
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@RationalMadman
Your example just suffers from the ending, but mine suffers throughout the entire game!
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@Dr.Franklin
I was in 7th grade when I had a debate(probably with you) on DDO where I defend Fortnite. The hell I was brainwashed. Sure, it is far from the worst game, but it is even further from the best game.
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@Dr.Franklin
By Media, Fortnite. By actual quality? that'd be whatever the hell I just listed. As AVGN would say, "Mentioning it would sound like deliberate heresy."
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@oromagi
In fact, a timer that turns you left once in a while in Desert bus can make you not do anything in the game. You can brew coffee off your room and hear the distant screeching on your TV, but after all, you beat the game. You can beat the game using a program. A physical TAS. It requires no intelligence whatsoever to play the game and I just beat the game using 2 motors and 1 LEGO robotics kit when I was in 7th grade. Pretty fun but I have to stop once the timer stops because, after 8 hours, the TV is now as hot as a frying pan.
Conclusion: Your example can be easily avoided if you build a robot and let the machine do its own thing, but Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is:
- Irrelevant to the advertisement. There is nothing even close to Mario Bros, or anything to do with plumbers and ties.
- Non-interactive. You have to wait in front of the TV for like what? 10 minutes? before you can even do a single thing. There is no menu screen whatsoever because the game is so linear the beginning is the same and everything you do won't keep the inevitable true events from happening.
- Visually appealing!! This is listed as a bad thing!! You know you f*cked up when you made something in which the player desperately wanted to do something about anything on the game, but they just, CAN'T!
- No animation. I don't know if this will end up being one of the Shrek movie cartridges for the Game Boy Advance and the DS, but if you are making something like a TV episode, at least give it animation! It is just a slideshow and any middle school student can do this.
- Not only that, but the plot also made 0 sense. Then the narrator is wearing an upside-down chicken mask, then a girl takes over, then the boss discusses the price of whatever is happening for 3 hours without settling. I think any 3rd grader can create a more coherent script.
The reason Desert bus is less bad is that it is exposed to fewer fields. It has no plot whatsoever and it is marketed intentionally to be a joke. You don't say the tree simulator is bad because it is made to be a joke. Desert Bus has the same output as the expectation. I thought I will be playing a 3d shooter underground in the sewers bombing mafia members when I heard the name "Plumbers don't wear ties", but the result is nowhere even remotely close to expectations. Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is a complete lack of care for game design if there is any. You can barely call it a video game, or anything that could be good. As AVGN, a famous game critic said, it is a sh*t load of f*ck, and yes, it is.
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@oromagi
Well, desert bus is really boring, but it is far from the worst game. The worst game is the one that you can't do anything about.
My example is that when you want to do something, the game doesn't allow you to.
Your example is that when you don't want to do anything it keeps you active.
It depends on which one is more frustrating and bad. Both games are horrible.
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My contender chosen are Plumbers don't wear ties.
What are video games for? interactive entertainment. Uninteractive entertainment is called movies, films, tv shows, cartoons, and anything like that.
Even Big Rigs can be interactive, the fact you can reverse at the speed of light and can go through building with a knack and a laugh would mean it is still a video game, just a very primitive one.
Every 2d platformer is interactive. Mario, Link/Zelda 2, Even Castlevania, etc. It is just frustrating for some of them.
However, Plumbers don't wear ties is marketed as a video game, but it is barely a video game at all. You just choose what the characters do once per 10 minutes of real-life time while different people just go in and out the camera like this is an amateur film instead of a video game. It is way less interactive than it needs to be. It is more of a short film, a very bad one too.
Debaters here can add bad games here, and reasoning is encouraged.
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I mean, the world could be a simulation, after all, consider computers could easily generate a world-scale environment in the future. God to us could be the same as Us to our characters in Sims 4.
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I mean, using video game knowledge, the tree is loaded, but it is not visible to you. The world is basically an open-world game, with one exception that nothing is unloaded ever.
However, if a tree falls in a video game, it creates no sound if no one detects it. In fact, you don't know if it even falls at all because it isn't loaded at all.
Maybe the truth is really subjective, but from what we know, the tree still makes a sound because it never unloads, and it is just no one to hear it. If a person committed a crime so sneaky that no one knew he did it ever, the truth is still that he is guilty. From what I know now, truth is objective.
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@Vader
Maybe we should have a mafia game where we are random (remarkable) Dart users and we get random claims for extra chaos if we haven't done that.
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@Crocodile
User_2006: The biggest tryhard in the website. Seriously, he might be the lowest ranking debater who actually tries to win a debate. Has basically nothing to lose.
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@ILikePie5
Fine, I will just vote 13 reasons why because everyone else does. Seriously, you have three whole sets of characters?
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@RationalMadman
BTW, Who do you think won in my Hot Dog Sandwich debate? Why? If you have time, then answer it, If you don't have time, then come back later.
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Alright, this is what I have found. I am seriously struggling to be good at debates(Just look at my ELO and you know what's up) so I started looking up guides online. Fellow debaters could criticize part of the guide and tell me why with reasonable logic.
Learn the basic logical fallacies so that you can:
- avoid using them
- call them out when someone else uses them.
Here is my list of the ones I have most often had to deal with. The first four are formal logical fallacies, the rest are ‘informal’ fallacies, which is to say, common errors made in ordinary debate.
- Affirming the consequent.
- Premises 1: If A is true, then B is true.
- Premise 2 B is true.
- False conclusion: Therefore A is true.
False, because B can be true without A being true. For example, P1) you can make an omelette with four eggs. P2) I have made an omelette. False conclusion: therefore I started with four eggs. False because: you could have started with three, two or one egg, and made a smaller omelette, or you could have started off with ‘omelette mix’.- Denying the antecedent. The same, but the other way round: If A is true, then B is true. But A is false. This does not mean that B is false (which is what denying the antecedent is). If Mike stole the jewels, then I did not steal the jewels, and therefore I am innocent. Investigation shows that Mike did not steal the jewels. This does not mean that I stole them. They may have been lost, stolen by someone else, or not stolen at all.
- Confusing ‘or’. Also called ‘affirming the disjunct’. A or B is true. A is true. Does this mean that B is not true? This depends on whether the or was an inclusive or exclusive or. English doesn’t make that clear, so you can’t usually reason from ‘A or B is true. B is true’ to ‘A is not true’.
- Confusing the middle (law of the excluded middle, fallacy of the undistributed middle). All Zs are Ys. X is a Y. Therefore X is a Z? No. In this case, although all Zs are Ys, there could be other kinds of things which are Ys. For example, all Zebras are animals. A horse is an animal. This does not mean that a horse is a zebra. On the other hand, if you have A and not-A, there is no middle (this is the law of the excluded middle). Everything falls into A or not-A. However, people often confuse another category which they imagine includes all not-As as being the same. For example, there are animals, and non-animals. Many people assume that ‘non-animals’ means ‘plants’. But it doesn’t. It could also be bacteria, viruses or fungi—or, and this is important—entirely different kinds of things, such as rocks, concepts, metaphors and TV shows. All of these are non-animal, in a logical sense.
- Circular reasoning (including ‘begging the question’). Using the conclusion to prove the premise.
- False appeal to authority. Common in debate, citing someone who is not present and cannot defend their own conclusions, and who is in fact not an authority on this topic. For example, citing a lawyer’s opinion is not the same as citing the statute from a law book.
- Hidden premise. Arguing as if logically using premises, but relying on a concealed or hidden premise, for example, a popular assumption.
- False dichotomy. Presenting two options as the only choices, when in fact there could be others.
- Double meaning. Relying on two different meanings of usages of the same word.
- Etymological fallacy. Claiming that the older or original meaning of a word is its ‘real’ or authoritative meanbing.
- Special pleading. Demanding that a different standard should be applied to something without demonstrating how its uniqueness requires this.
- House of card fallacy. Assembling multiple, inconclusive arguments and claiming that they add up to one conclusive argument.
- Shifting the burden of proof. Making a claim, and then demanding that your opponent prove it is untrue.
- Anthropomorphic fallacy. Treating a subject area as if it were a person. For example ‘science says…’
- Category error/Clumping fallacy. Clumping things together that are separate.
- Splitting fallacy. Treating things that are the same as if they were separate.
- Probabilistic fallacy. Assigning an arbitrary probability to something, and then treating this as if were a fact. Also, arguing that something is incredibly unlikely, and therefore not true. Both are really versions of the Plausibility fallacy.
- Plausibility fallacy/argument from incredulity. Giving credit to something because it sounds reasonable, or discounting it because it sounds unlikely.
- Severity fallacy. Using the shock of the threat of a severe outcome or a severe accusation to make it seem more relevant than a likely outcome or reasonable accusation.
- Argument from silence. ‘We do not know whether… and therefore…’ An absence of evidence cannot be used to defend or attack a particular proposition.
- False correlation fallacy. Claiming that because two things are generally found together, one causes the other. Also called ‘magical thinking’.
- Straw man argument. Creating a caricature of your opponent’s argument, and disproving it.
- Ad hominem. Attacking your opponent rather than dealing with their argument.
- Modernist fallacy. Assumption that things believed now are better than thing believed previously (etc).
- Naturalistic fallacy. Arguing what ought from what is—in violation of the fact-value distinction.
- Motive fallacy. Arguing that someone’s motive invalidates their logic. ‘You are only saying this because…’ An often accepted version of the ad hominem fallacy.
- Consequentialist fallacy/empirical fallacy. Arguing that as x happened before, and the consequences were y, this will always be the case. For example, the sun has always risen, therefore it will rise tomorrow (likely to be true on all but the last occasion).
- Slippery Slope fallacy. ‘If you say this, then you are as good as saying…’ Similar to guilt by association.
- Conspiracy fallacy. The assumption that mistakes or inconsistencies are caused by deliberate conspiracy.
- Perfectionist fallacy. The fallacy that if your opponent makes a mistake, his argument is disproven.
- Cherry picking. Presenting an unrepresentative sample as if it were objective evidence.
- Putting words in someone’s mouth. Attributing a statement to your opponent which is either entirely fictitious, or which is an interpretation, not the exact words they used.
- Irrelevant attribute. Includes red herrings, appeal to wealth, appeal to tradition, appeal to sympathy, etc — making the argument about an aspect of something not related to the matter at hand.
- Guilt by association. Making a connection with a despised thing to invalidate it. For example, claiming that something is ‘cultural appropriation’ or ‘neo-colonialism’ or ‘communism’ in order to discredit it. The ‘check your privilege’ fallacy is part of this.
I think my usage of these fallacies may have myself lost for some debates. Anyways, have a good day!
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@ILikePie5
I mean, I suggest doing themeless but you can do everything you wanted as long as you like it.
If someone in the game knows what the people in the show do, they can predict roles before the other side flip roles. This is like if I am a character that is just a mob boss in the original show, then everybody who understands the construction of this show will immediately tell me I am mafia mere minutes after I post the character's name.
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@K_Michael
I know, the Chinese Room may not have actual knowledge about Chinese, but AI is still AI. AI is still defined as an AI even if it exhibits no actual intelligence. You won't call North Korea Democratic, but it is in its name. AI doesn't need to exhibit actual human-like intelligence.
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@Danielle
So what is 13 reasons why about? I heard that it was a book but does it have enough characters FIT to do a mafia game?
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So few posts are actually there and couldn't it be in the "Society" category since every single one of them, not one single exception existent, is outside of our society?
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@ILikePie5
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Abstain since they look the same to me whatsoever.
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@ILikePie5
I abstain. I don't know what all those are about. Again, I know nothing about hosting mafia games, so do you randomize the role names regardless if they are accurate to the fandom itself?
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@ILikePie5
Also, is it themed or unthemed? If it is themed what is the theme?
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@ILikePie5
Umm, am I? I am probably going to be a time-waster ngl.
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@oromagi
@PressF4Respect
Wanna debate on this subject? I don't want to scroll upwards to see everything I need. This as a debate is much better than being in the forums.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Still no. I mean, we don't need one or two moderators to moderate somethings that we can already discuss on the forums.
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I don't know where, how, and why, but I am hearing female moaning from across the wall when I am trying to do my language arts homework
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@EtrnlVw
Personally, it is either deism(God does not intervene with humanity), pantheism(God is the universe itself), and agnosticism(IDK).
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@EtrnlVw
Tesla and Einstein had tried to give one force that explains all phenomena, and the closest answer they have found is electromagnetism. I think God is just what they are trying to find, and once such force can be found, we have met god. If we are enough to manipulate it, we become god.
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@PressF4Respect
Oh ok, I will just copy paste what I have just typed.
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@PressF4Respect
1. Yes, Black lives matter, All lives matter, Moderators lives also matter. If harassing anybody deserves punishment, then harassing a moderator also deserves punishment. It is up to the moderators if they are really harmful, but if it really is, then it deserves punishment.
2. No, Moderator lives also matter. They aren't robots nor computer systems. They are people with opinions.
3. No, It is going to be extremely glitchy consider if a vote is removed after the voting period ends, then the moderators will work overnight correcting who won the debate, the ELO, and who lost. Unless an automatic system is perfectly implemented, I will state no.
4. No. Forums suffice. All the MEEPs are hosted on forums instead of polls, and that would mean it should stay. It is not an if-ought fallacy because people are still okay with it. If polls are made to be its own thing, then trolls will spam questions like "should babies have sex" or "should Obama be decapitated"(Like I am not kidding, I have genuinely seen things like these in DDO because of all the trolls) that hides the actual, good, and useful polls well below the screen. Then we will have at least one additional moderator doing its thing when forums can already free him from complete anarchy.
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I mean, judging by how many trolls I have debated on DDO, if there are moderation and voting activity, I am pretty sure I should be at a 4000 ELO. Because FF terminates debates, it will be an absolute tie and no one can vote on it even if you are a veteran who can actually vote.
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@K_Michael
Another funny thing I want to tell: I once won a debate with Alec, one of the smartest teenagers on the site(Other than Trent and you) with almost 1600 ranking, but my dumb ass set the debate on unranking mode so I can't make any benefits on it. Still a great discussion.
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@oromagi
So, one reason my ranking was below 1500 was that I debate with good debaters like Fauxlaw and RM too much?
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Your example does not say why it is leftist. This is like saying that I bought a government-made car in Russia, and then people categorize this story as 100% Communist.
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I think Crossed is either a mentally insane person, or he is a genius and none of us can understand and he is actually the messenger of God.
I place my bet on the former.
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I don't know what or why, but here it is.
If God can create a boulder that he can't lift, then he either can't lift it or he can't create it.
God cannot be both weak or strong at the same time, even if he is God. If that is somehow possible, why isn't it comprehensible by humans? If it is not comprehensible by humans, God is not omnipotent. If God is truly omnipotent, he should be able to make everything else omnipotent as well.
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